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Shin Vejita
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:34:00 -
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apparently several people today, have had concord gank them for a smart bomb going off and damaging a can, and the GM wont reimburse the loses, i was hunting at a spawn in a 0.6 (with 5 Terrorists & 1 Ascriber) those are cruiser rats, and there are so many cargo containers its nearly impossible to fight there with out hitting a can, and i turned on my smart bomb to blast away a few missles heading towards me, and then all of the sudden i got webbied and blown to kingdom come by Concord, took me an hour too get a GM To tell me what happened, and i explained my displeasure with this 'bug' and he told me, that there is nothing he can do to reimburse ....the major problem is, i dont pay to play a game where 10 NPC's are gonna gank me for accidently hitting someone n00bs can, and im sure the other dont pay for that either
I lost my megathron because of a cargo can, this is most definitly an exploit, imaging if someone were to drop a cargo can on someone firing at some gate rats, and concord decided that they are being hostile, and kills the person, while the other happily takes what ever modules dropped by the newly podded person
i please ask everyone to post there displeasure with this, if it has happened to you, in hope that the GM will get of thier high horse and realize we are customers, not players/users, and that this should not take away our months of work
(Excuse my bad english i dont speak well when im angry)
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Preying Mantis
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Preying Mantis on 17/06/2004 07:40:20
damn ccp are well thick... how many times have we seen people flooding pirate spawns with cans, secure, etc.
Well done CCP... thanks again.
Here's another thing, Caldaris main weapon is now being geared towards missles... are we forgetting with can't use missles by people or people's cans or stargates.
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Dark Messiah
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:50:00 -
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This has not happened to me but this is clearly well out of order. CCP stop be so Fing silly!!
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Sir Fitz
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Fitz on 17/06/2004 07:58:13
Yeah, I have to voice my concern regarding this as well. I may be a n00b, but with the potential exploit possibility here, what's to stop people from simply using cans as ultimate weapons of war. Let someone fire missles at PlayerB, PlayerB drops a can, missle causes splash damage to can, PlayerB watches concord take out a BS as PlayerB sits watching from his n00b ship.
I think the decission making process for this change went unchecked a bit.
What I find more interesting is that GMs are NOT reinversing the damage caused by concord when these incidents are occuring. In all seriousness, it's safer to play and fight in 0.0 space than it is in 1.0 space. At least there, you don't have to worry about people exploiting this change or trying to avoid tin cans laying around all over the place.
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Tashiketh
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:51:00 -
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First off, I want to say that I agree with you, it's far too easy to get killed for hitting a can.
But this is NOT an exploit. first of all, an exploit is where someone takes advantage of a design flaw, no one is taking advantage of this. (not that I have heard, and I've been in the help channel all day)
Second, it would be far easier to get in the way of a projectile yourself than to drop a can in someones way at a gate, hoping it will get hit.
But you have a definate point about the belts. just going to have to not use missles in high sec space untill this gets strightned out.
(and yes I know that with turrets nerfed reciently missles are now half the populations primary weapon)
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Tashiketh
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:53:00 -
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and again I have to say ..
If someone is firing at YOU concord isn't gonna give a rats *)*#$ about your can!!
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Chepe Nolon
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:55:00 -
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I hit a can yesterday in a 0.8 system with a heavy missile. But no concord showed up. This was dropped from a mission rat. Is it only player dropped cans that is bugged?
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sableye
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:56:00 -
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all I know is if its not fixed and happens to me they'll be losing one more paying customer, not because of loss of ship its the security status I can't afford to lose.
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Sangai Sakusei
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Sangai Sakusei on 17/06/2004 08:03:34
Edited by: Sangai Sakusei on 17/06/2004 08:01:12
yes it is only player cans i assume that it is.
and considering that guns have been nerfed i to have switched almost completly to missiles.
the only time a concord should show up if the can was locked and fired on a few times.
and accidental hit is not the players fault.
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Shin Vejita
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Posted - 2004.06.17 07:58:00 -
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yes its only player dropped cans, it would seem, and alot of pirate spawns, and even astroid belts are littered with cans, which is why it is such a problem, and why they should reinburse anyone who loses stuff do to this reason, other wise alot of areas to make money with out mining in the game are off limits unless you like losing ships
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sableye
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Sangai Sakusei
Edited by: Sangai Sakusei on 17/06/2004 08:01:12
yes it is only player cans i assume that do this.
and considering that guns have been nerfed i to have switched almost completly to missiles.
the only time a concord should show up if the can was locked and fired on a few times.
and accidental hit is not the players fault.
I've been told npc loot cans do it as well, I have'nt tested though and don't think I will.
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SiRRuRg
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:08:00 -
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Well when i tried to shoot a NPC loot can it showed me a message that i was going to have a security penalty for doing so.
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Bsport
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:10:00 -
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a friend lost his rupture for hitting a loot can.. which sucks
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: sableye
all I know is if its not fixed and happens to me they'll be losing one more paying customer, not because of loss of ship its the security status I can't afford to lose.
bye bye and can I have your stuff.
Gods these forums are depressing after a patch all the "throw there dolls out of the prams at the first sign of trouble" peeps appear..
Why not just inform CCP rather than polluting the forums with this sh*t
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Shin Vejita
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:26:00 -
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yes, it does suck ...and we should all be reinbursed ....for what we have lost ....and i wont quit complaining to CCP till i am reinbured for my megathron, and i suggest that no one else gives up either, they obiously wont listen when you ask nicely, so tactics must be changed, we are after all customers and we have a right to complain
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sableye
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Talon SilverHawk
Originally by: sableye
all I know is if its not fixed and happens to me they'll be losing one more paying customer, not because of loss of ship its the security status I can't afford to lose.
bye bye and can I have your stuff.
Gods these forums are depressing after a patch all the "throw there dolls out of the prams at the first sign of trouble" peeps appear..
Why not just inform CCP rather than polluting the forums with this sh*t
Tal
if I leave sure, as I say if I lose security status again by stupid rules I'll be leaving, I've spent 2 months trying to get my status up no frelling way am I going to lose all that work by shooting a can.
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:31:00 -
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So don't Fing shoot missiles near cans until the problem is resolved!
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sableye
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Fuujin
So don't Fing shoot missiles near cans until the problem is resolved!
yer but I've been known to hit them with my turrets without thinking, and we still don't know this is a bug, this may be how it was intedned.
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Shin Vejita
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:34:00 -
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i wont/cant play till they give me back my megathron, and i will complain about this and spam the hell out the problem too them, till they replace it, i have 6 months of pre-paided time on eve, and they are wasting my time and everyone else, every time we lose a ship it takes us time to get a new one, time which we are paying for ....and i can gaurentee they will lose me and alot of my friends as paying customers, if they continue to be so ..... stingy about it
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:40:00 -
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Edited by: Sassinak on 17/06/2004 08:42:44
Originally by: Shin Vejita
i wont/cant play till they give me back my megathron, and i will complain about this and spam the hell out the problem too them, till they replace it, i have 6 months of pre-paided time on eve, and they are wasting my time and everyone else, every time we lose a ship it takes us time to get a new one, time which we are paying for ....and i can gaurentee they will lose me and alot of my friends as paying customers, if they continue to be so ..... stingy about it
Jeez.
Everyones lost a ship (No its not an exploit/bug/whatever)you attacked a can (non intentionally) and got punished for it. Now you want ccp to reimburse you for your mistake? Basically your gonna have to be more carefull in what you shoot at, besides, you were in a battleship. hunt in 0.4 and below, no concord showing up then... Basically Stop crying get over it, and get on with the game.
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:41:00 -
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Sorry im just a bit angry seeing some people go into combat without even keeping their eyes open.
Who know sit may or not be intended, guess we'll see.
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Shin Vejita
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:52:00 -
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what i do with my time is my bussiness, and i have no means to replace my battleship nor do i want to do it for a third time, before this damn patch i never had a problem with a missle hitting a can, or a sb going off and getting ganked, if all you can say is bad stuff, then do say anything at all, and i dont care what anyone else says, its something that is screwing over us people who dont live in 0.0 and make so many billons that we can afford to buy a new bs everyday, this is the second time ive had to replace this bs in the past month, and neither of which were my fault, it was the stupid game
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:54:00 -
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i wasn't reffering to you asmuh as i was reffering to people claiming they'll quit if this happens to them (now that they are aware of it). And you're right it is your time, if you're hanging on by that much of a thread then certainly u are welcome to quit.
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2004.06.17 08:56:00 -
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Keep in mind however that if you wish to have a better chance of getting your equipment back i suggest you go about petitioning or informing the gm's ina professional way, throwing a hissy fit will certainly not get you anywhere.
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Shin Vejita
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Posted - 2004.06.17 09:00:00 -
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Edited by: Shin Vejita on 17/06/2004 09:01:50
i did inform the GM in a professional way, i told the game master what happened, and that i was very angry about it (i did not cuss or, say any bad things about anyone) and the response i got back was
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*snip*
maybe i would reconsider it ....if i had a ship to do it in
i would also like to say, damage on someones secure container, should not be grounds for castration
Please do not post private communications with the GMs - Wrangler
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.06.17 09:17:00 -
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The thing that concerns me is the possibility of CONCORD retaliation if a loot can is damaged.
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psychonaut
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Posted - 2004.06.17 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: psychonaut on 17/06/2004 10:02:04
Its not that we cant adapt I now donĘt shoot cans. The issue here is, there was no notice that shooting cans is going to bring Concord down on you.
I for one always 'used' cans to test my cap drain rate etc.
Now I cant fine, but I still feel miffed that its lost me ships, and to be honest its one of the silliest rules in the game now.
Specially with secure cans, they are hard to destroy in the first place, a glancing shot isnĘt going to bother them one jot.
For information in 1.0 try shooting a riod, same message same result concord pwnd.... now tell me the reason for that???
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.06.17 10:37:00 -
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hahahahahah You know what, you deserve it you shouldn't be rat hunting in 0.6 in a battleships anyhow. Get to 0.0
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StaticW
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Posted - 2004.06.17 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: psychonaut
For information in 1.0 try shooting a riod, same message same result concord pwnd.... now tell me the reason for that???
just shot a roid. I got the message but no Concord showed up in new caldari.
Must have been something else you did.
Its everone's own business what they do. if they mind veld in an Apoc in 1.0 sec or flying frigs in 0.0, but why people use ships they cannot afford to lose is beyond me....
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OrbitalEffect
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Posted - 2004.06.17 10:52:00 -
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In the past two days I've nailed plenty of NPC loot cans in 0.6 space with no response from the cops.
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Shin Vejita
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Posted - 2004.06.17 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Shin Vejita on 17/06/2004 11:11:12
well, ive only had the ship for a week, i had to spend 2 weeks rebuilding my ship ....i didnt have the money to get insurance on it, i can always start over sure, but im not willing to do that, i wont start from scratch after playing for 6 months, which is why ccp IS going to reinburse me, and my reason for rat hunting in a 0.6 is cause i get 5mil isk drops off of some of the rats, plus its only 1 jump away from my corps HQ, to go to a system where i could hunt rats, i would have to go 9 jumps ....which isnt worth the time
and it wasnt an NPC can that got nailed, it was a secure container ....
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UndergrounD
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Posted - 2004.06.17 11:16:00 -
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sounds like a good way to 'Claim' roid belts to me
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.06.17 11:27:00 -
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why buy a ship you cant insure.... should of got a domnix. Then made money with the dom and bought a mega.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2004.06.17 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Vejita
Edited by: Shin Vejita on 17/06/2004 11:11:12
well, ive only had the ship for a week, i had to spend 2 weeks rebuilding my ship ....i didnt have the money to get insurance on it
Then the response remains:Why fly a ship you can't afford to lose into a dangerous situation? No one forced you to fly a bs into combat. I've owned a bs for over a month now and even though I could afford to lose it I'm actually waiting until I have a spare.
I can hunt in 0.3 systems with my Maller. 0.6? I could hunt in there with a frigate. It'd be faster and no-one cares if they lose a frigate to a rat.
Basically you were careless, impatient and got caught out. Stop whinging and accept some of the blame for your actions.
To end on a constructive note:If instead of going out rat hunting you'd gone out mining then you could have earned the cost of insurance in a week or two at the outside. then you'd have made a profit when you lost your bs.
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Posted - 2004.06.17 11:37:00 -
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i agree ive been out ninja mining in zero space with my cruiser if u all have battleships what the **** are u doing in empire
get the hell out of the noobie zones and stop strip mining.
problem solved
I am the bad guy the kriptonite the green cronic.
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amego
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Posted - 2004.06.17 11:42:00 -
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someday you may wake up and thinkn to yourself.....why did i post on the forums when i just splashed someones (more than likely) secure can from way back when he used to fill it with loot...you damaged his property which leads to concord up holding the law as it is>>>>the patch shook eve up and it grows on me more and more>>>>take a chill pill dude i'm sure you'll see sense someday
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BobaFett DC
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Posted - 2004.06.17 11:44:00 -
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Same Problem here. Im a neew Player. Mined yesterda in sec 0.8 Sytem in an asteroid belt. A Pirat came an i locked him. I started a Missle, hit a secure conti and was blown away by Concord.
As a Neewbie, i totally hate to get all my ressources blown away cause of defending against a Pirate ans soma astray containers.
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psychonaut
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Posted - 2004.06.17 11:45:00 -
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People play the game as they want....
Just coz your so brilliant, and are uber 1337 in 0.0, dosnt mean everyone needs or wants to be.
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Oveur
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Posted - 2004.06.17 12:58:00 -
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This should be discussed in this thread so locking topic, move discussion over there.
This is an intentional change and is part of the Aggression system. It's correct, this specific part was not properly publicized.
Player owned secure containers and player dropped cans are their property. Shooting at them equals shooting at the player.
This is in line with the contraband part of the aggression system where the loot dropped by an attacked party flags the one that picks up the loot as an agressor too. Today the loot pickup party is immune although known to carry the stolen items preventing retaliation.
The fix for this lies in not allowing the missiles to damage something they were not explicitly launched at.
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Oveur
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Posted - 2004.06.17 12:59:00 -
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This should be discussed in this thread so locking topic, move discussion over there.
This is an intentional change and is part of the Aggression system. It's correct, this specific part was not properly publicized.
Player owned secure containers and player dropped cans are their property. Shooting at them equals shooting at the player.
This is in line with the contraband part of the aggression system where the loot dropped by an attacked party flags the one that picks up the loot as an agressor too. Today the loot pickup party is immune although known to carry the stolen items preventing retaliation.
The fix for this lies in not allowing the missiles to damage something they were not explicitly launched at.
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