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Sentient Blade Walk It Off Imperial Ascension 300	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:44:00 - [391] - Quote **** move, IMO. Mittens needed a most severe smack to the face, but I agree with the other comments that over 10,000 people were disenfranchised by this turn of events and that's going to have repercussions on every future CSM, who, by the way CCP, saved your ass last year. I didn't vote for Mittens, as I wanted my vote to be used to ensure the success of another candidate which subsequently got on, but I wholeheartedly believe Mittens kicking ass was beneficial for the game. What this needed was a hammer to the kneecaps, what you gave us was a bullet to the head.
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin 215	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:44:00 - [392] - Quote If he said all this before running for CSM would he have had 10,000 votes? You bet your horrible fat ass he wouldn't have. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg
Harold Tuphlos Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 43	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:44:00 - [393] - Quote BURN HISEC 10,058
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3747	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:44:00 - [394] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: Andski wrote: The only appropriate solution is to either leave Mittani on the council or start a new election. Disenfranchising a vocal group of players with 10,058 - 20% of the voting base - accounts between them is never, ever acceptable. no its only 3% of the voting base! get over your self goon... seriously! one year and then its all mittenz again... yay Nope. Representation or bust - that's the way we roll. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Hulemand x13 Raiden. 2	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:44:00 - [395] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: CCP, Can you confirm you were also holding everyone who just happened to be on camera at fanfest accountable to the TOS/EULA? Family members / spouses who don't play the game .. the press .. ? I am struggling to see how you can possibly think your terms of service apply to what someone says out of game, on camera when it is YOU and your providers who choice what is broadcast and when. There is absolutely NO legal precedent for it. What legal precedence do they need? None!
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3747	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:45:00 - [396] - Quote Muad 'dib wrote: If he said all this before running for CSM would he have had 10,000 votes? You bet your horrible fat ass he wouldn't have. He might not have reached the 10,000 mark, but he would still have more votes than any other CSM delegate. hth "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Lt Pizi Dark-Rising 27	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:45:00 - [397] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: Andski wrote: The only appropriate solution is to either leave Mittani on the council or start a new election. Disenfranchising a vocal group of players with 10,058 - 20% of the voting base - accounts between them is never, ever acceptable. no its only 3% of the voting base! get over your self goon... seriously! one year and then its all mittenz again... yay AFAIK accounts that have action against em are not allowed for CSM CSM are expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM CCP:-á the mittani has set an example -áto follow ?
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux 1274	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:45:00 - [398] - Quote This is not an acceptable solution. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Taihbea Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:45:00 - [399] - Quote Acadia Reina wrote: Atomic Option wrote: Total overreaction on all sides. The only person reacting appropriately (by not reacting) is The Wis himself, the noble miner "victim" whose opinion does not appear to have been consulted. People always tell each other to kill themselves in online games. It comes with the territory and anyone who takes it seriously is a douche. That it happened in public doesn't make it worse or different. If you can't take a joke, **** you. This is exactly right. This entire storm is apparently built entirely on principle, taking no account of the reality of the situation. The supposed victim is nonplussed and generally indifferent. The apology was made and restitution given. Situation solved. Everything I see now against The Mittani is just meta-gaming by his enemies. Maybe it will be effective, but it's also disingenuous to The Wis and to the supposed ethical right that so many people are chest-beating about. People and CCP need to HTFU. So you must be a super alien or something cause you're a pony sissy crying on interwebz. By your own (very good by the way) advice... HTFU!
Yeep GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 129	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:46:00 - [400] - Quote Hi CCP, while I appreciate that when all is said and done you get to set the rules, I'd appreciate if you didn't try to spin the decision to remove The Mittani from the CSM as an inevitable result of his ban. Your own whitepaper clearly states: Quote: also, players with a serious warning22 or ban on any account in their possession can be excluded from candidate eligibility. however, in-game behavior, regardless of play style, will never be a criterion for candidacy unless the rules of the eula and/or tos are violated. Note the use of "can" not "will" or "must". Trying to portray this decision as unavoidable rather than a choice you have made smacks of cowardice and removes any confidence I had in your promise to not regress to the bad CCP of old.
SolusLunes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 29	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:46:00 - [401] - Quote Hulemand wrote: Khanh'rhh wrote: CCP, Can you confirm you were also holding everyone who just happened to be on camera at fanfest accountable to the TOS/EULA? Family members / spouses who don't play the game .. the press .. ? I am struggling to see how you can possibly think your terms of service apply to what someone says out of game, on camera when it is YOU and your providers who choice what is broadcast and when. There is absolutely NO legal precedent for it. What legal precedence do they need? None! CCP gives precisely no fucks.
xXv1c10usXx Alchemy Corp 3	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:46:00 - [402] - Quote I am thinking their basis for their decision is total horseshit. Even better than replying here, if people to speak where is hurts corporations the most, in their revenue stream. how about the removal of $1.8M US in revenue from their P&L. That would be a strong statement. All persons that had their votes stripped unsub and let CCP feel that pain for a bit and have to layoff some developers and have the game go the SH!T. Oh wait, it is already headed there, so that $1.8M will escalate fairly quickly in to some sizable loss of revenue.
Lakshata Chawla Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow 23	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:46:00 - [403] - Quote At this rate, all the goons will unsub, This is the best decision CCP has ever made. I still wish Mittani could stay on CSM, he WAS a productive member.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux 1274	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:46:00 - [404] - Quote Two step wrote: I disagree with this decision, and am working hard with CCP to make sure the 10,058 voters that voted for Alex have their voice heard. More to come, just wanted to make sure I had a spot on the first page This. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Lotta Mullarkey Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:46:00 - [405] - Quote May O'Neez wrote: Now I perfectly aggree that it is a bad news and his value in CSM was very great, that makes everyone in a very unpleasant mess. But we should also consider that CCP had no choice but enforce rules like these... CCP did however have a choice weather or not to continue supplying alcohol during the alliance panel even though it was clear that half of the panellists were plastered. They failed in their responsibility to help prevent this. IGÇÖd go along with their decision were it not for the fact that they are removing a CSM from his position while hiding behind their EULA/TOS themselves instead of admitting that they were part responsible. Mittens apologised for what has happened. I think now is the time for CCP to do the same if they want to justify their decision. Otherwise itGÇÖs an epic fail on their part.
Myz Toyou Bite Me inc Exhale. 39	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:46:00 - [406] - Quote Kilylol wrote: CCP didn't want my subscription anyway. Your T1 stuff, can I have it ?
Craystorm Goonswarm Federation Human Resources Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:46:00 - [407] - Quote ~ 10,058 ~
Townsend Harris The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore 67	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:46:00 - [408] - Quote Arrs Grazznic wrote: Rather interesting to see that those against this decision are goons and pets. Ignore those partisan postings and the general consensus is 'well done CCP'. So...if we ignore the vast majority of posters, your side is right? That said if we ignore the large amounts of anti-**'s, ** was right. You sir are literally ****. EDIT: DAT WORD FILTER!
May O'Neez Flying Blacksmiths 0	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:46:00 - [409] - Quote Quote: Hey Moron, Plex doesn't appear out of nowhere, someone, somewhere pays for it. You've got a point, my bad. But I stay polite :) I did'nt want to offend anyone. Still I'd be curious of the ratio generated / paid / etc, but it's kinda out of context. My background remark was mainly: CSM voting system is not an actual image of the player base. Quote: If PLEX had no monetary value CCP wouldn't be making money selling them. They don't do it for money, they do it to fight against RMT ...
Bumrush Helljumpers Hades. 6	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:46:00 - [410] - Quote This is a business for CCP, they can do what they want. They made the CSM and will always have final control of it.If you don't like the way CCP runs it business then leave. If you do can i have your stuff.
k'ryn Void.Tech BLACK-MARK 13	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:47:00 - [411] - Quote Muad 'dib wrote: If he said all this before running for CSM would he have had 10,000 votes? You bet your horrible fat ass he wouldn't have. You're right, he'd have closer to 20, 000
Rebnok Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion 12	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:47:00 - [412] - Quote Stephen Haags wrote: Andski wrote: Krutoj, a CSM 6 alternate who was temp-banned for RMT, was not removed from the council. This! you are stupid,( In game) and well tbfh rl also, but they don't temp ban for rmt
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 1695	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:47:00 - [413] - Quote When you think about it this really was a decision about who makes the decisions and calls the shots on Eve Online management and press relations: CCP Iceland or Something Awful forums. CCP made the right choice. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting!
SolusLunes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 29	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:47:00 - [414] - Quote Lakshata Chawla wrote: At this rate, all the goons will unsub, This is the best decision CCP has ever made. I still wish Mittani could stay on CSM, he WAS a productive member. Unsub? With all your tears yet unharvested? Never, sir, never! We'll just make YOU quit.
Ines Fy Heroes of the Past Goonswarm Federation 18	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:48:00 - [415] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: Following the Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012, an incident was broadcast live on air by a panelist during the Q&A which broke the EVE Online EULA/TOS. The panelist was a member of the CSM who has subsequently resigned from CSM6 and, as a result, will resign his seat on CSM7. GM Salmon, VP of Customer Relations, provides more detail in this blog. You are all idiots, you just thrown gasoline into a fire that was almost out... How bunch of ungratefull bastards you all are. The guy pratically saved CCP from falling into a clift last summer, he went to the emergency summit to save your asses and calm down all the eve players that were at your door step with forks and torches ready to burn that **** to the ground... and this is how you say thanks?! Everything you did since last summer that gain me over to this game after I unsub, just went down the garbage... to me CCP is now with the same popularity pos incarna... FY
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3747	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:48:00 - [416] - Quote Lt Pizi wrote: AFAIK accounts that have action against em are not allowed for CSM Krutoj made no secret about his temp ban for RMT which did _not_ lead to his removal from the CSM. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Richmond Kings GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 7	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:48:00 - [417] - Quote Despite everything that has happened, the comments that were made were over the line. However, CCP still profited from the stream. After inviting people, giving them alcohol to provide content, they made money from the comments about a clearly depressed person. Where are the calls for resitution him? CCP seemed to have just glanced over this. They are too concerned with making cash, rather than the feelings and well being of the person the comments were aimed at. CCP should donate all proceeds they made from this complete shambles to him, so he can get help he needs. You can't condemn these actions, then turn around and count all the money you made from it. This isn't the action of a concerned company, it's the actions of disgraceful human beings.
Lt Pizi Dark-Rising 27	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:48:00 - [418] - Quote Lakshata Chawla wrote: At this rate, all the goons will unsub, This is the best decision CCP has ever made. I still wish Mittani could stay on CSM, he WAS a productive member. By your own (very good by the way) advice... HTFU! CSM are expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM CCP:-á the mittani has set an example -áto follow ?
Akelorian FinFleet Raiden. 41	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:48:00 - [419] - Quote The tears! They are delicious! OMG 10k votes gone to waste? yes wasted on voting for The Mittani anyways, he did this to himself and has forfeited his position in csm 7, so in reality your votes were wasted by him and him alone, you casted your vote, it counted, till he was dissqualified from said position for breaking the eula.
Wolfduke Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 5	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:48:00 - [420] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: Following the Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012, an incident was broadcast live on air by a panelist during the Q&A which broke the EVE Online EULA/TOS. The panelist was a member of the CSM who has subsequently resigned from CSM6 and, as a result, will resign his seat on CSM7. GM Salmon, VP of Customer Relations, provides more detail in this blog. A resounding ** you is warranted here. ** you.

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