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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:32:00 -
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So ccp is going to turn fan fest into blizzcon, the dullest, most sanitized child friendly event known to man.
Ccp, grow a pair please, ditch the marketing director, he wasn't very good at Ncsoft anyway, he let tabula rasa get released and stop being Sony's lap dog. They're creepy as hell anyway. |
Madame Fanney
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:32:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:Madame Fanney wrote:You know itGÇÖs not CCPGÇÖs fault The GREAT Mitt-ens decided to take something too far, HeGÇÖs the one who put CCP in the position to HAVE to do something. "something" is covered by ban, removal from the CSM and public apology threatening to give up on fanfest (you know, that event where players and devs get stupidly drunk together) and turn it into a politically correct mini-blizzcon is something else entirely. don't invite NVidia or Sony reps if they can't handle it but please don't kill fanfest.
tbh it wasn't just Mr goon that was a shame to watch on that panel it was all the goon friends on the right hand side of the table, "Jagger-bomb" yeah, that and the power drunkenness was hard to watch. |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc Order of the Void
242
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:39:00 -
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Good write up +1,000
Goon tears are tasty
Nothing to see here, move along.
Lets NOT be known as the most unprofessional player base in the history of gaming people. |
Madame Fanney
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:43:00 -
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DonGÇÖt get me wrong I donGÇÖt want to see fanfest go away either, but I can certainly see where CCP the company would have to make some changes and decisions regarding how the conduct them in the future, as they said they are getting bigger and need to grow up a bit. Alcohol is probably going to be fine but they may not allow it on the panel in front of cameras.
goon tears !!SNOT SNOT!! |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1109
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:44:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:While not necessarily a crime in most jurisdictions, recommending a course of action in the virtual world with the intent of achieving some negative outcome in the real world is at the very least morally shady.
Clear as mud?
Indeed it is. I'm going to get a Mack, fit it with a civilian shield booster, sit in a Gallente ice belt and decry to all and sundry in local that I am mentaly unstable.....
I didn't think you'd get it. Thanks for proving me right
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
370
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:50:00 -
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I appreciate this direction.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1109
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:55:00 -
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CCP, I was planning to go to Fanfest 2013, and I'll need to book tickets by about the end of May to get the better deals. It would be really useful if you could sort out any changes to format by then, and make sure to let us all know whether there will be major changes.
Here are the changes I can see would need to be made to avoid this kind of incident in the future (just in case you're taking suggestions):
- Delay the live feed by 8 seconds, be ready to bleep it when people mention antisocial issues such as suicide, "you are a terrible person and should kill yourself", as is done in mainstream "live" productions
- Leave the Alliance Forum intact, as is, and do not broadcast it live. Leave it as a perk for attendees. Record it and post it later once people have stopped talking about Fanfest (and you've had a chance to edit out the nasty bits)
Options such as requiring presenters to be sober will kill Fanfest. Michael Bolton III was an awesome presenter at the Alliance Panel in 2011, partly because he was barely able to stand up, which played into the general appreciation of Test Alliance as being a bunch of uncoordinated nincompoops.
Anything further than simply delaying the live feed by a few seconds with a bleeper standing by, and removing the Alliance Forum from the live feed altogether will detract from Fanfest. If the people at the venue don't have the freedom to make fools of themselves, it's not really Fanfest.
IMHO, the people at home watching the live feed just want to see cool stuff. We don't mind if it's edited for brevity, clarity or legal butt-covering :)
Of course, even in my trivially-revised version, I would still be disciplining Alex for saying such a spiteful thing.
Goons: they're not ruining the game, just ruining their game. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
370
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:57:00 -
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Also, Goons, just stop posting, you are only digging yourselves deeper.
You threw your fat weight to defend an undefendable position, and you were stupid enough to continue it even after Mittani had already apologised, admitted the mistake and announced his resignation. You lost, and by immediately throwing your naive tantrum you also lost your face. He did not, your leader was intelligent enough to come through this as a man of his word, complete with spine and balls. You, the no-name plebs, you just managed to look like immature basement dwellers crying a river over nothing.
Maybe you are taking internet space pixels a bit too seriously?
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Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
490
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:30:00 -
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Madame Fanney wrote:DonGÇÖt get me wrong I donGÇÖt want to see fanfest go away either, but I can certainly see where CCP the company would have to make some changes and decisions regarding how the conduct them in the future, as they said they are getting bigger and need to grow up a bit. ! why do they "need" to do this?
I play EVE because the game itself and CCP as a company try to be different and certainly not mainstream. I also have an active WoW subscription and if Blizzard did something like this I wouldn't bat an eye.
Why? because I approach CCP with very different expectations than I do with Activision/Blizzard.
CCP was able to carve out a very stable niche for themselves by taking a different approach to game design and community management than their larger competitors. The moment they started to open EVE to a larger audience (Apocrypha) their stable growth trend gave way to a much more erratic subscription pattern.
"Growing up" is necessary to break into the mainstream market (where big MMOs with huge budgets die or go F2P after 1-2 years) but I think it is highly questionable that CCP can ever target the mainstream without losing its core playerbase (that provides most of EVE's content) and I had seriously hoped they had learned their lesson after last summer.
The "EVE is real" campaign was mocked a lot but imo the "real" dimension the metagame can take is at the heart of what makes EVE special. During my trial period I read a lot of EVE history trying to decide whether to subscribe for my first MMO ever or not: One impressive story was about a scammer using a phone at a public library to maintain contact with his target, running between his computer at home and the phone at the library so the target wouldn't know his real place of living. Another story was about some guy cutting off power to an enemy FC's home, so his buddies could decimate the now leaderless fleet. kugutsumen (what you would probably call "a convicted cyber criminal") hacking alliance forums and selling access to them for ISK. And this "EVE is real" promise is kept up in reality - whether it is huge botnets DDOSing voicecomms, certain groups ruthlessly employing client exploits to their advantage or an in-game bank manager using the proceeds of his scam to pay off debt on his RL home. An alliance like PL has internal security measures that would put most medium businesses (which have valuable real-world IP to protect) to shame.
EVE is a bad game but it has a great metagame which is at times so "real" that it makes people commit real-world crimes for an uncertain in-game advantage. What better endorsement for EVE could there be?
A "mainstream" EVE run by Sony would be bland by comparison and attract an audience that would ruin the metagame through lawsuits instead of taking "adapt or die" or "harden the **** up" to heart.
I like playing WoW because it is a very polished, entirely non-committal game and I don't expect anything less than getting milked for all that I'm worth by Activision. I play EVE for exactly the opposite reasons.
Starting to punish people in-game for OOG actions and the ever larger crowd of players clamoring for legal recourse no matter the situation are bad signs. Given another few years this trend will turn EVE into another beautifully walled themepark. |
Madame Fanney
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:39:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:Madame Fanney wrote:DonGÇÖt get me wrong I donGÇÖt want to see fanfest go away either, but I can certainly see where CCP the company would have to make some changes and decisions regarding how the conduct them in the future, as they said they are getting bigger and need to grow up a bit. ! why do they "need" to do this? I play EVE because the game itself and CCP as a company try to be different and certainly not mainstream. I also have an active WoW subscription and if Blizzard did something like this I wouldn't bat an eye. Why? because I approach CCP with very different expectations than I do with Activision/Blizzard. CCP was able to carve out a very stable niche for themselves by taking a different approach to game design and community management than their larger competitors. The moment they started to open EVE to a larger audience (Apocrypha) their stable growth trend gave way to a much more erratic subscription pattern. "Growing up" is necessary to break into the mainstream market (where big MMOs with huge budgets die or go F2P after 1-2 years) but I think it is highly questionable that CCP can ever target the mainstream without losing its core playerbase (that provides most of EVE's content) and I had seriously hoped they had learned their lesson after last summer. The "EVE is real" campaign was mocked a lot but imo the "real" dimension the metagame can take is at the heart of what makes EVE special. During my trial period I read a lot of EVE history trying to decide whether to subscribe for my first MMO ever or not: One impressive story was about a scammer using a phone at a public library to maintain contact with his target, running between his computer at home and the phone at the library so the target wouldn't know his real place of living. Another story was about some guy cutting off power to an enemy FC's home, so his buddies could decimate the now leaderless fleet. kuguts umen (what you would probably call "a convicted cyber criminal") hacking alliance forums and selling access to them for ISK. And this "EVE is real" promise is kept up in reality - whether it is huge botnets DDOSing voicecomms, certain groups ruthlessly employing client exploits to their advantage or an in-game bank manager using the proceeds of his scam to pay off debt on his RL home. An alliance like PL has internal security measures that would put most medium businesses (which have valuable real-world IP to protect) to shame. EVE is a bad game but it has a great metagame which is at times so "real" that it makes people commit real-world crimes for an uncertain in-game advantage. What better endorsement for EVE could there be? A "mainstream" EVE run by Sony would be bland by comparison and it would probably attract an audience that would ruin the metagame through lawsuits instead of taking "adapt or die" or "harden the **** up" to heart. I like playing WoW because it is a very polished, entirely non-committal game and I don't expect anything less than getting milked for all that I'm worth by Activision. I play EVE for exactly the opposite reasons. Starting to punish people in-game for OOG actions and the ever larger crowd of players clamoring for legal recourse no matter the situation are bad signs. Given another few years this trend will turn EVE into another beautifully walled themepark.
Because they have investors, they have a product they are marketing and need their brand to be shown as good and solid, they aren't punishing people in game and they will find a good happy medium Im sure, being in marketing I can plainly see where CCP the company will take the panel's.
for instance the ceo may have been drinking a lot but he showed he was in control of it whilst he was on the stage infront of everyone, he knows I'm sure his limits and wouldn't be on stage stumbling drunk, and forgetting which slides he was presenting. just an example of how they will monitor it in future events.
all it takes is one person to screw the rest. |
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Endeavour Starfleet
781
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:41:00 -
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An absolutely disgusting dev blog. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself as a company for this continued behavior and throwing a former CSM member under the bus for a complete non issue.
So now that Sony is getting a sweat about the whole thing you are prepared to gut fanfest of its freedom and install nice "politically correct" presentations? Perhaps we can have a tea party at fanfest discussing ways CSM member Darius and Ammzi could have been a bit nicer in their communications to the incursion community? Or maybe alliances can read out the numbers of players they have recruited this year or maybe dare I even suggest alliances discussing small disputes over ratting rights in what is obviously a very nice and caring game?
Looks like the Incarna mindset has returned.... |
Madame Fanney
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:52:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:An absolutely disgusting dev blog. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself as a company for this continued behavior and throwing a former CSM member under the bus for a complete non issue.
So now that Sony is getting a sweat about the whole thing you are prepared to gut fanfest of its freedom and install nice "politically correct" presentations? Perhaps we can have a tea party at fanfest discussing ways CSM member Darius and Ammzi could have been a bit nicer in their communications to the incursion community? Or maybe alliances can read out the numbers of players they have recruited this year or maybe dare I even suggest alliances discussing small disputes over ratting rights in what is obviously a very nice and caring game?
Looks like the Incarna mindset has returned....
They didn't specifically say they werent going to have fanfest or the panel in the coming years, however they did say that they will monitor it more closely and make changes to how it is presented.
"Should we choose to hold an Alliance Panel next year, we will still aim for comedic player-agency over the content, but will be very careful to create a different setting for the event."
Granted it is their discretion to nix it in the future, but Ifeel that they will just moderate the acohol consumption a bit more next time. again it is the person whom made the foul that forces the hand of ccp. don't blame them blame your elected
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Xervish Krin
Shiva Furnace
12
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:05:00 -
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I like Mittens but I can see why they had to do this, especially with the story hitting the intertube press. Besides, he was being an ass.
It's just a shame that the panel is going to get changed, maybe neutered, simply because Mittens had to jump over the line to fuel his 'I'm a space masochist look at me look at me' ego.
Ah well, someone was always going to end up as That Guy. As for Jita... well, the place has needed clearing out for a while now. |
C Genix
Alphane Research Co-operative
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:15:00 -
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Abysaml
30 days 'killah' returns
I have 30 days to take you down CCP for the protection of innocent life |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1325
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:56:00 -
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All powerpoint slides for the presentation were run by a CCP employee to make sure no obvious nudity or sexually explicit content was present.
Even though this panel was billed as unfiltered by CCP, we expect public presentations to be courteous and professional towards others. ~ CCP Manifest and CCP Navigator
Obviously you guys dropped the ball big time. How can publicly boasting about causing sorrow and humiliation to others in-game be considered as courteous and professional towards others?
Anyone watching the video can see that the first 3 Alliance Ceo's conducted themselves in a professional manner and did the normal presentation as expected. They stated their Alliance history, political stance and goals mixed in with some humor. Very informative and fun.
The 4th presenter - No Holes Barred Alliance CEO - strayed away from the normal format even though he conducted himself in a professional manner. All I can remember about his presentation is posting players names singing their National Anthem for ransom. The posting of their names should not have been allowed. In fact, I view his whole presentation as nothing more than an obvious griefer boasting about humiliating others.
The last 3 Alliance CEO's were definitely in party mode and didn't give a crap about what anyone else thought. That right there should have sounded warning bells with the CCP employee overlooking the panel.
The 5th presenter - Test Alliance CEO - was definitely inebriated and should not have been allowed to participate. After viewing the video 3 times I still can't remember anything else about his presentation other than him constantly spouting foul language and generally being obnoxious.
The 6th presenter - Dirt Nap Squad Alliance CEO - was able to maintain a semi professional appearance and stayed within the normal format for the presentation even though he was in party mode.
The 7th presenter - Goonswarm Alliance CEO - definitely strayed from the normal presentation and reveled in displaying the sorrow he has caused others in-game. He was also in party mode but he wasn't inebriated like Test Alliance CEO. I view his whole presentation as offensive, not only due to the mocking of the various personal mail messages received, but also due to his unprofessional manner displayed by an arrogant and confrontational demeanor with constant use of vulgar language.
All in all I think CCP bears a portion of the blame for allowing this fiasco to happen. As a paying customer and community member of Eve Online, I am appalled and disappointed that CCP allows and encourages this type of behavior at an Official company function. I feel this panel gave the whole world the wrong impression about CCP, Eve Online and it's player base. Basically after viewing that video, it looks like this game is nothing more than an Internet MMO created specifically for players to grief others anyway possible.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
674
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:11:00 -
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I has happend. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2016
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:24:00 -
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I hope you take one simple consideration in to account when thinking about future fanfests and how this affects them. Make the needs and wants of the people who attend them a primary consederation. Don't ruin fanfest in order to cater to people who don't attend or just watch the stream. If you have to choose between the attendees and us, choose the attendees and stream only shows and events where your staff and products are in the spotlight and you have a tight control on the event. Show the more fan/party oriented events later, after you had time to screen them, or not at all.
The fanfest is there for you to show off your products and for your fans to party and get to meet the devs and other players. You can achieve both without live streaming every drunken party/event to the public. The important thing is that the people who went there can have fun in a relaxed and easygoing atmosphere. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1076
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:36:00 -
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I think that the 30 day hammer, voluntary apologies and discussions about alliance panel content were good and mature moves to fix the damage caused by this incident.
However I do have mixed feeling did this have to affect the CSM related stuff as I see that there was no foul play there. Perhaps - perhaps not. All in all... hopefully this entire thing can be buried sooner rather than later so we can focus to more important things (like EVE as a game) again.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
390
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:42:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:(...)
All in all I think CCP bears a portion of the blame for allowing this fiasco to happen. As a paying customer and community member of Eve Online, I am appalled and disappointed that CCP allows and encourages this type of behavior at an Official company function. I feel this panel gave the whole world the wrong impression about CCP, Eve Online and it's player base. Basically after viewing that video, it looks like this game is nothing more than an Internet MMO created specifically for players to grief others anyway possible.
Pretty much this. The point where this "grief for free" selling line fails is once you warn wannabe players that they are not provided any meaningful way to hand it back to the offender... so it's actually YOU will be griefed for free (and then laughed at). You lost your ship, your clone, your implants... all you can do is make him lose a ship (he got a hundred more in his corp hangar) and his implants (was a JC anyway), and that being very lucky and supposing they misjudged your ability to avenge your own death. Which rarely is the case; they targetted you precisely because you were hepless and can't bite back.
This is an outdated mindset; when EVE was small and young, griefing should be empowered to become a selling line, but as griefing goes on, telling your customers that they lost hundreds of dollars in stuff and must beat it because you as a company will not provide them the means to retaliate is bad policy. Because they will not give you nor anybody else another chance to lose stuff; they will just go to a place where their investments are safer or can be protected in some way.
EVE as a PvP game has been for long a dream African hunting ground where hunters are inmune to their preys; and thus EVE has developed a race of hunters who love shooting RPGs at sleepy zebras chained to a tree.
Maybe it's time to either loose some buffalos (the second deadliest mammal in Africa; the first one are hypos), or just allow the zebras to hire a hitman to go after the hunters.
Maybe then the next fanfests will have some interesting stories... on how "X" went from being wardecced to spend a dozen PLExes in bounties to pay for the obliteration of the corporation that messed with him, or how "Y" explain the so-sad-story of how a dishonored ransom ended up with his ass being shot everytime, everywhere, by a vengeful victim's hired guns.
Time to shamelessly plug some EVE: Retaliation EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
T'hena Kha'tek
Austudy The Welfare State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:38:00 -
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[url]http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march[/url]
After listening to this I actually think he sounds exactly the same Sober as Drunk as hell on Yager Bombers. I really am amazed at how this whole thing has snowballed into what we have now. CCP really does have to look inwardly at itself and what type of game its really trying to create here, Its a sandbox about to turn into a blood bath. This has been boiling over for a good time and the underhand tactics people use to gain advantage ingame, overtime people have adapted found niches to exploit used every possible way to scam, steal, cheat, lie,grief, even make a handsome living out of game on RL transactions. So we are at a interesting crossroad in the game, The CFC has been told to burn down Jita which is about as ******** as a cry wolf can be. 4 weeks to move a trade hub and reinforce the node to the biggest implosion eve has ever seen. Be rest assured concord will be waiting for you enmass and so will about 15000 faction fitted battleships |
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SerratedX
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:09:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: I feel this panel gave the whole world the wrong impression about CCP, Eve Online and it's player base. Basically after viewing that video, it looks like this game is nothing more than an Internet MMO created specifically for players to grief others anyway possible.
Fanfest is for players (fans) of eve online. Who gives a **** what other people think as long as the players are having fun. There was no outrage at the alliance panel. Everyone just clapped and moved on to find the next presentation / roundtable they were interested in.
Only days later when the "gaming" press took to running stories saying: "YOU SHOULD BE OUTRAGED", did CCP take notice. And that is goddamn lame. Marketing eve online as a unique "sandbox" game and CCP as a brave company who does its own thing, yet when there is bad press, they bow to mainstream demand and political correctness.
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
106
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:36:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:An absolutely disgusting dev blog. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself as a company for this continued behavior and throwing a former CSM member under the bus for a complete non issue.
So now that Sony is getting a sweat about the whole thing you are prepared to gut fanfest of its freedom and install nice "politically correct" presentations? Perhaps we can have a tea party at fanfest discussing ways CSM member Darius and Ammzi could have been a bit nicer in their communications to the incursion community? Or maybe alliances can read out the numbers of players they have recruited this year or maybe dare I even suggest alliances discussing small disputes over ratting rights in what is obviously a very nice and caring game?
Looks like the Incarna mindset has returned....
Someone did something wrong and is punished for it.
I don't see the problem here.
Why is everyone trying so hard to shift the blame? This isn't an issue you just wave off with an apoligy. |
Raneru
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
43
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:56:00 -
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SerratedX wrote:
Fanfest is for players (fans) of eve online. Who gives a **** what other people think as long as the players are having fun. There was no outrage at the alliance panel. Everyone just clapped and moved on to find the next presentation / roundtable they were interested in.
Only days later when the "gaming" press took to running stories saying: "YOU SHOULD BE OUTRAGED", did CCP take notice. And that is goddamn lame. Marketing eve online as a unique "sandbox" game and CCP as a brave company who does its own thing, yet when there is bad press, they bow to mainstream demand and political correctness.
QFT |
Care Bear King
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:24:00 -
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Lame pussification of EvE continues to be lame.
DEVs should be spending their time figuring out why ice mining drove a player to claiming suicidal tendencies in the first place.
. . .
A Mittani-less CSM7 does not represent the players! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1333
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:42:00 -
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Raneru wrote:SerratedX wrote:
Fanfest is for players (fans) of eve online. Who gives a **** what other people think as long as the players are having fun. There was no outrage at the alliance panel. Everyone just clapped and moved on to find the next presentation / roundtable they were interested in.
Only days later when the "gaming" press took to running stories saying: "YOU SHOULD BE OUTRAGED", did CCP take notice. And that is goddamn lame. Marketing eve online as a unique "sandbox" game and CCP as a brave company who does its own thing, yet when there is bad press, they bow to mainstream demand and political correctness.
QFT
Look at the video again, you can hear people in the audience telling him to shut up. You can also see people leaving instead of staying to ask questions. They definitely didn't want to watch any more of their obvious display of arrogant drunken behavior. Anyway, I'm a player and a fan of Eve Online and as a paying member of this community I stand by my original statement in this thread.
Bottom line - Everyone should give a **** what other people think of this game, especially when it's live video stream with the main intention of bringing in more subscriptions. Plus the fact that all media press is invited to Fanfest by CCP to promote this game in a positive view. The last thing this game needs is to represented publicly by unprofessional drunken frat boys looking to flex their EPEEN and revel in the misery they cause others in game. |
Des Jardin
Aperture Harmonics K162
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:31:00 -
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I believe that CCP's response to this incident was appropriately measured given the realities of running a business and the future promotion of all things EvE.
EvE will continue to be a "sandbox" despite the outcries of injustice.
People who treat the game like a "litterbox," however, should realize that every once in a while, it needs to get cleaned out.
"Good against remotes is one thing.-á Good against the living ... that's something else." |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1778
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:35:00 -
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To be honest this whole scandal is CCP completing their time in the wilderness of insanity and getting back to being the company that built eve. Last year they finally snapped out of the Incarna madness and put things on the right track with Crucible. This year they faced a situation where there was inevitably going to be a showdown about who ran Eve Online ... CCP iceland or Something Awful forums.
For a while now its been apparent that the game does have a bad reputation in the wider community press and community not just because its ruthless "core style" pvp, but because some of the community is regarded very badly for ooc griefing and harrassment. What this whole scandal has displayed is that its not the "Eve community" thats to blame for this stuff really, its the Something Awful community that has refused to integrate with the Eve community and keeps its own codes of conduct (or lack therein) above any notion of friendly camaraderie out of character with the rest of the game.
This came into pefect focus at fanfest where you saw a massive contrast between the warmth and friendships on display between most eve players and the Gianturco performance on the alliance panel as (then) CSM chair. I think its the first time its been so totally apparent that the problem with Eve's larger reputation amongst gamers is not "Eve" its the frat-boy SA crowd.
Now some companies would have been terrified of Alexander Gianturco and the 10,000 goons and failed to do what was right in his punishment. Some would have tried a horrible watered down mealy-mouthed compromise and tried to get away with doing little on the grounds of keeping the goon subs. But I think CCP demonstrated courage and independence and drew a line in the sand really that the huge majority of actual eve players will wholeheartedly applaud.
I pay my subs to be a member of the Eve Online universe and the gaming community of Eve online. Not to be part of Something Awful.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Knug LiDi
N00bFleeT Numquam Ambulare Solus
44
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:51:00 -
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Tricky **** (Richard Nixon) was elected president and then was impeached. Were those votes wasted ? When you vote for a candidate that did not win, were those votes wasted ?
Nope.
Any vote cast is never wasted. Ever.
For the 10k that voted for Mittens, your vote did count.
For the election.
Your candidate managed to get himself booted off the CSM through his own deliberate actions.
I think the most important things for the state of EVE will not occur in April, But in May and the months following Mittens return.
How Mittens will return - his relationship with the CSM - his relation ship with CCP - his relationship with Goons - may have long lasting impact on the game. These relationship exist, they have value, they are real, but each of them will change and these changes may well change EVE online.
As for televising unscripted events, perhaps CCP has learned a lesson as well.
If only we could fall into a woman's arms
without falling into her hands |
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
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Aryth wrote: He apologized, fell on his sword, and resigned.
You do understand that falling on your sword is supposed to hurt, right?
Aryth wrote: Note, this is all after a presentation where NO ONE in attendance, including all of CCP said a word. CCP obviously didn't consider this worthy of any attention until someone batphoned them.
That's called an awkward silence. |
Highauger's animated corpse
Stargate SG-1 Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:53:00 -
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Some things I found that were funny...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZO2vFXrlGE
ooh and the messiah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo
.. not that I am suggesting or implying anyone kill themselves. This is comedy, see? |
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