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Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front
The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:12:00 -
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Madame Fanney wrote:Because they have investors, they have a product they are marketing and need their brand to be shown as good and solid, they aren't punishing people in game and they will find a good happy medium Im sure, being in marketing I can plainly see where CCP the company will take the panel's.
I, too, can see where CCP will take the panels - otherwise I wouldn't post^^
as I wrote in my long post - I had hoped that CCP might have been cured from its expansionist plans after last summer; that the company had recognized the value of its market niche and would focus on consolidating its finances through budget cuts instead of hoping for miracle growth for the foreseeable future.
they can try to tame fanfest and a year or two later they'll also tame the vegas meeting, they can rework their GM policies to be more active about behavior that is deemed socially unacceptable by "the public", they can try to attract the mainstream - but by doing so hey will lose the bittervets and imo these are one of the most important ingredients to EVE's succes (they create content, hey give the game world a sense of continuity & history, they create the marketing materials that attract new players [such as the bpo scam I referred to above], ...)
I guess what I am really angry about that the behavior shown by the mittani is commonplace in EVE - in-game and oog.
Even that miner's tears have been posted 5 months ago on public forums with all the predictable comments and nobody gave a damn.
But now, just because some nvidia/sony reps and a few press guys sat in the audience, "the eve community" and ccp start pretending to play hello kitty online.
By catering to the whole media hysteria about "political correctness", "cyber bullying" (how is it different when it happens online?), taking the defensive/guilty stance by default when questioned about the evilness of computer games, ... we only make sure these topics stay around and keep getting reinforced. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
1389
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:17:00 -
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No more drinking during Fanfest. I am sure they will still do Pub Crawls and the like but I bet they will no longer allow alchohol during anything that is televised or public at the Fanfests It was still a great Fanfest CCP! As always you guys do a fantastic job Mittani screwed up. He is paying the price. His whine about being "thrown under the bus" by CCP is ubsurd. Sure, he apologized of his own accord and stepped down from the CSM on his own but CCP isn't throwing anybody under the bus. Throwing someone under a bus is making them take the blame for something they did not do. CCP isn't doing this. Mittani clearly made a mistake. One he apologized for but also one that not only raised a lot of attention but caused a lot of problems and will have many reprecautions. **** happens. He is paying for what he did. Time to move on.
Looking forward to many more years of EvE!
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
boeboe joe
Sons Of Sins and Shadow
9
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:33:00 -
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Vincent VanDamme wrote:
I understand disagreeing with the decisions, who wouldn't at times? But I have to say that the sense of entitlement coming as a result of this is quite staggering
I agre
But this is my opinion, which I don't know all the facts, on some internet forum
First and foremost this whole situation is very unfortunate and saddening. Why? Because I don't believe for a moment that most of us as people would ever make fun of someone with depression and suicidal thoughts. Especially over a live broadcast, in front of thousands of others.
I don't think that most here realize that depression is a medical illness, and in fact can cause death to some. This is a unique case because this isn't just some player making fun of another player. This was a member of an officially recognized stakeholder at CCP who has shown a lack of maturity in public. It's interesting to see how so many on these forums claim to make fun of others like this all the time. Where has civility gone in our player base? I hope that most here will learn that there are some things, you just don't do. Surely as mature people we can all take a step back from this whole situation and say CCP made the right choice
I, for one, am very pleased at how CCP has treated this situation. I am also very glad to see that CCP does the right thing, even when they go against the popular opinion.
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Dersen Lowery
Children of Armok
Ushra'Khan
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:54:00 -
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Alex signed a document when he joined the CSM that held him to a higher standard than the rest of us are held to, with a stiff penalty in place for failing to uphold that standard. He failed to uphold it. CCP applied the penalty that he agreed to when he joined the CSM,. They added a mild penalty for a TOS violation at an official CCP event with media coverage, which is entirely at CCP discretion.
The people who voted for him, and who are justifiably angry at not having the candidate they voted for as a representative, should take it up with him. As he has acknowledged, his behavior justified stepping down from his position.
I'm glad to see CCP being a neutral arbiter, rather than carving an exception out for one guy because he's a special snowflake--or worse, letting him off the hook because he's on the CSM. With power comes responsibility.
I have every confidence that the remaining members of the CSM will serve as an organized and effective advisory board. |
Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
83
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:45:00 -
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I applaud CCP for taking a stand on this issue. This game is bigger than any one group of players. While everyone has their opinion on what constitutes acceptable behavior in-game, when it comes to representing the game to a global audience, I believe it important to represent EVE Online in a mature and good-natured manner.
While I did not attend fanfest, I watched a large amount of footage (as I do every year) from the streaming site. The game was presented in a lively and mature fashion, for the most part. And I believe CCP went to great lengths to make sure everybody had fun while attending and presenting. ItGÇÖs a shame that a few had to take advantage of CCPGÇÖs efforts to promote an open and uncensored dialogue. Downing shots like itGÇÖs your first frat party is not appropriate when conduction these types of panels and forums.
And for those nay-sayers; I have nothing against the Mittani. HeGÇÖs contributed a lot to the overall improvement of the game. In fact, I see it as unfortunate that he chose to act this way, as his departure from the CSM will no-doubt have a negative effect on the quality of the game. In addition, CCP must now make changes to rules governing panels and future fanfests; everyone loses here.
The role of CSM Chair represents more than just constituents, it represents the game as a whole to all those who have never seen or heard of EVE Online. |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
16
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:45:00 -
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And so continues the softening of EvE. Terrible choice imo. |
Dalketh
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:10:00 -
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Des Jardin wrote:EvE will continue to be a "sandbox" despite the outcries of injustice.
People who treat the game like a "litterbox," however, should realize that every once in a while, it needs to get cleaned out.
BEST post I have read in days!
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Commander Lojak
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:31:00 -
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domino 8 wrote:Can I just ask who in CCP okayed the presentation which used a private message from a guy talking about his divorce and feeling suicidal as comedic material?
However unfortunate the mittani's comments where (and lets face it they were) CCP obviously allowed the topic to get past their own internal censor. CCP did this undoubtedly knowing it was going to be used to ridicule that player.
It would be very interesting to know why they thought showing a player talking about suicide was something that could be used as a comedy prop.
You really don't seem to be taking responsibly for it at all, if you had veto'd the slide it wouldn't have even come up on the panel.
Perma-ban mittani I don't really care, but your position seems to me remarkably disingenuous given that it was CCP that allowed the material on the panel, allowed the panellists to be drunk (it seems you actually encouraged it) and choose to have a live global broadcast with no time delay - or at least didn't seem to have a competent producer to knew to filter it. If you were a broadcaster it would be you as the producer not the broadcaster that would be held to account.
You really seem to have given someone the sh*t end of the stick and now appear to be admonishing them for have dirty hands.
Punish him, whatever, but at least acknowledge that it was CCPs fault the topic was even on the agenda in the first place.
This sums up my feelings on the issue.
Take some responsiblity CCP. |
Drakkin Telerix
Viziam
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:10:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Fanfest 2012 was a phenomenal success with player participation at an all-time high and a greater focus than ever on EVE Online. Unfortunately we had an incident at the Alliance Panel which has resulted in us setting out new rules and policies for future Fanfests. CCP Navigator and CCP Darth Beta explain how EVE is growing up in this dev blog.
Love the dev blog update and good for you all!! While the uniqueness of the EVE/CCP and customers relationship is one of the many things that drew me to EVE I am very happy to see that your "internal investigation" wasn't a sham and that you all realized how abhorrent this kind of behavior really is...regardless of people "being in or out of character". |
Midori Amiiko
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:25:00 -
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Sweet Goon tears will not distract me...Sweet Goon tears will not distract me...
OK. There's this thing called cyberbullying. Some of you might have heard of it. People have killed themselves from it. It is SRSBSNS. Some people hang on the fact that an in-game ID was used, and that this renders the act harmless. I leave it to the reader's judgement if that really makes a difference.
Some posters talk about the effect this will have on Eve. Imagine the effect a suicide would have. Dungeons & Dragons still suffers from the stigma created by a player suicide decades ago. There is a segment of the general population that loves it when they can stick their noses into things...things like this. There's a presidential electon coming up here in the states and I'm almost 100% sure that a goon-inspired player suicide would become a talking point for all the candidates. I can hear the phrase, "Something must be done..." followed by all sorts of awful ideas on how to stop it from happening again.
"The Panelist" says in his apology that "The Mittani" is just a character that he role-plays. I really question that. I believe that A.G. really is a petty bully who enjoys causing discomfort to those who he has targeted. In vino veritas, right?
Another thought is that "The Panelist" should keep in mind is that he's pretty easy to find. He goes to Fanfest every year. One of his victims might just introduce his neck to the jagged end of a broken bottle. If there is anything that would cause more of a ruckus than a player suicide, a game-motivated murder would probably be it. |
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Bantara
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:39:00 -
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Quoting V...
CCP Navigator wrote: It is moments like this that remind us that there are people beyond the characters we encounter and everyone in the EVE universe should always treat other players with a base human level of respect and decency
The fact that you need a reminder of this is a serious problem. I'll quote from a forum post long ago...
Quote:Quote:Ultimately, it's just a stupid game, and some stupid message boards about a stupid game. Where, ultimately, people behave according to the nature of their hearts. An ass on the internet is someone who will be an ass to you to your face. We all know there is a real person behind posts, and how we treat them is real life, because they are real people. Not knowing their real name or A/S/L doesn't make that any less so."
Reiisha wrote:CCP never condoned player harassment. It's in the TOS.
Character harassment however is just fine.
I'm very sad to see that so many people don't see or even understand the difference.
No, and it is sad YOU don't see it--a character and a person are indeed seperate--on the qualities they both have. But a character doesn't have emotions, so when you try to enlist an emotional reaction from a character, you aren't targetting a character, you are targeting a person.
Zadgul wrote:This is a game about destroying, dehumanizing and griefing in-game personas. Had he said this dude's RL name, I'd agree, he would have it coming. However, this dude's RL name was never used.
First, no, that's what *you* have chosen to make this game, for yourself. And several others have too. But that's the sandbox. You haven't the right nor authority to declare it for anyone else. Secondly, targetting a character is targeting a player, see above. |
Bantara
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:42:00 -
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Zastrow wrote:CCP: Now that we have to bow to pressure of companies larger than ourselves, we are going to start removing the magic that makes Fanfest great.
Cause frat parties are awesome! I love non-consensual sex, stupidity, and superficiality!
Ganthrithor wrote:This isn't about Mittani, this is about CCP "growing up" and sanitizing fanfest and the game, which would be utterly terrible for the game and for the community. There's a reason I don't fly around the world for a week to go to Blizzcon.
Because you haven't "grown up" and gotten over an adolescent fascination with alcohol and cursing?
Yasuhiro Shoe wrote:Nope. You can't enforce maturity. That's not your job and it's arrogant of you to tell people otherwise.
Yes, actually, they can. It doesn't have to be 'their job', it's their event. And their product. They can do whatever the want with it, and you'll have to HTFU or GTFO.
Zastrow wrote:Fanfest is great because of this party culture. If you try to "grow up" and make it another big lame marketing event, the magic will be gone.
These are not the only two options.
Sturmwolke wrote:In bygone days, there were clear boundaries between appropiate and in-appropiate public behaviours - which I don't think many parents nowadays pass to their children.
Heh, I think you missed a generation; many of these people probably *are* parents! |
Bantara
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:48:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote: but imo the "real" dimension the metagame can take is at the heart of what makes EVE special.
{...}Another story was about some guy cutting off power to an enemy FC's home, so his buddies could decimate the now leaderless fleet.
********** (what you would probably call "a convicted cyber criminal") hacking alliance forums and selling access to them for ISK.
.....wow....you're...wow. This crap's illegal, not cool.
Andrea Griffin wrote:I'm not looking for the awkward, utterly sterile corporate atmosphere either; there's a lot of room in between and, really, if people could just tone down the language somewhat that would be a big improvement. Just a nudge in the opposite direction. A little more class. Sustaine wrote:but he deserves it. You voted for him, he sank your vote. Blame him.
Skyreth wrote:Goon tears best tears. If people can't tell what sort of behavior is acceptable, their loss.
ergherhdfgh wrote:CCP Navigator: "CCP in no way condones the harassment of players..."
You have got to be kidding me. That line had to be a joke. CCP most certainly does condone this type of behavior. It is encouraged and lauded and bragged about and used as a point of advertisement. You push it all over the internet that Eve is the place where people are allowed to treat others as poorly as possible. The worse you treat others the better and the more press time you give it.
All of Jade Constantine's post #116...
QFT
Also, CCP is responsible for this as well. But I have no idea what's going on there behind closed doors, so I'm not going to decry them as if they weren't doing it. |
Jiang Chaobai
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:18:00 -
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Perhaps a better translation would've been, "Now that we're teetering on the edge of raking in piles of Sony money, we're going to suddenly take a principled stand on actions that could make for bad press. You play our game for the hands-off, rough-edged environment that we intentionally fostered. Now that our subscriber numbers have earned the attention of well-financed corporate interests, we've decided to shrug off our historically unique stance on player interaction in favor of a bland, economically-safe future." |
orphenshadow
Easy Co.
Fatal Ascension
55
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:31:00 -
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So.. pretty much
CCP is going to nerf the alliance panel next year..
they seem to think that they have control over the culture of eve online..
Hate to break it to you CCP, but you do not have any control over the culture.
WE created the culture. You get to profit from it. That's how this deal works.
Just because Sony let you stick your pole in their wet-spot doe not change anything. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
344
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:40:00 -
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I would like to formally announce that for next year Goonswarm Federation are also reviewing our internal processes to prevent a repeat of this unfortunate occurrence.
(we're choosing somebody who can hold their drink to do the Alliance Presentation)
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Khadann
First Legion
La Division Bleue
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:13:00 -
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This whole story does not smell good and is gonna stay around for ... until next year! |
Abulurd Boniface
United Tritanium Forge
Ishukone Drug and Research Utilization Group
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:42:00 -
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This is the first time that I see the quote. It actually is a boneheaded thing to say
There are a few things at play here that will have the sociologists rejoice with the opportunity for promoting their dissertations and playing EVE while doing so
- freedom of speech. I'm all for it. It -never- means that people are supposed to agree with the speech. So, dear Mittens absolutely has the right to say it, IMHO, I cannot find it within me to agree with it
- res publica: with a democratically elected body, does it not follow that the elected representative speaks for their constituents and cannot be punished for that speech? I do not want my elected officials to feel restricted in their speech, they have to be able to say what they want without fear of repercussions. Has anyone considered that angle
- the sandbox and the mentally infirm: I have seen depression first-hand and in its most severe form it is debilitating, corrosive, dark as the night and profoundly ugly. A person like that deserves love, compassion and awesome professional help. At the same time they should not try and involve themselves in the madhouse that is something like EVE Online. I am not blaming the victim but the person might consider not exposing themselves to an environment where they cannot handle the harsh realities that are part and parcel of that environment. We do not want children in EVE, they do not have the maturity to deal with self-expression that is often blunt and crass. By the same token I don't believe EVE is the right place for people who struggle with mental issues. That's not me, the sturdy-space-pilot speaking, this is about protecting those who cannot protect themselves
- we do not know who suffers from mental issues if they themselves don't let on that they do. How would you tell if the other person never said anything? Why make yourself vulnerable in a game where vulnerability is exploited? Have we verified the status of this player? Are we sure that this is in fact not someone meta-gaming (I was in a round table where one of the women there mentioned that people were more forgiving towards her when she mentions she's a woman, it is a time-honored way of exploiting weakness and they should definitely do it if it works for them)? If we established pattern beforehand, why did CCP not reach out to the player and express their appreciation for the person trying out the environment, and then tell him this is not really the place for him and give him his money back? Next to the EULA applying to us players, is there also not a duty of care towards the infirm by CCP
I'm not a fan of 'controlled communication', although I'm not ignoring what CCP stands for. If the idea is to mature then one side of the equation has to be mental resilience on the side of the player. I do not want to end up in an environment that is politically correct. Mainly because political correctness is tihsllub. I live in a country with 7 governments, where the politicians have jurisdiction but no accountability. Where if policies are ruinous to the tune of tens of billions of Euros where this generation and the next will be paying for, the response is the big whatever and a shrug, but don't try to take a loaf of bread out of a trash container, that was still perfectly edible when it was thrown away by the mega store, because then you're a thief. And don't have a naked photoshoot in a courthouse, because that's an outrage, but a murder investigation on 28 murders that has not lead to a single conviction in 3 decades, that's the way the cookie crumbles. I don't do political correctness
So, CCP, do me a favor and don't become the thought police, the spirit of Iceland is strong, resilient, beautiful and perfectly able to handle itself just fine without a wagging finger
And Mittani, please don't be a horse's ass and target those people who are never going to be a threat to you anyway. You and your armada can just sail by people like that and let them do what they're doing without having to nail them to a plank. You don't need to blow up every boat you see to drive the point home that you're the king of space. There is beauty in just leaving some people alone. |
Jita Alt666
975
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:53:00 -
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Great tears thread. The forums shall continue to fill with tears as New Eden Burns
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Little Brat
The Mighty
11
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:23:00 -
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I just finished watching the infamous video at youtube of the Alliance Panel. Everyone who comments here should at least GÇÿget the facts.GÇ¥ I was astounded by the pervasive use of so called GÇÿadultGÇÖ language and the obvious excessive use of alcohol. The Mittani is just a kid for crying out loud who barely looks old enough to drink. It is no secret that I despise the character The Mittani. The player however earns some begrudging respect for accepting responsibility for his conduct. MOST IMPORTANT is the culture CCP fosters that allows the language and conduct. You can be funny without cursingGǪit takes more effort. You can get laughs without being vulgar. Some would say the visual presentations bordered on sexual harassment as well. A ***** shaped picture of a ship I saw in another presentation spewing something is vulgar, offensive and inappropriate. I say grow up CCP, and ponder how this game I love is going to grow up besides ships, mods, Dust514, balancing and other content too.
-á-áad astra per aspera |
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Pyfintlyn Lukqplm
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:17:00 -
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People think this kind of thing is funny??? It's sad but people do kill themselves every day over bullshit like this. If one of your family killed themselves after something like this would you be bitching and moaning so much. Would you be saying way to go?Thanks for encouraging this behavior! No, you would not. So shut the **** up, grow up and stop acting like you are still 12. You don't need to give it too much thought. Wrong is wrong. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
193
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:08:00 -
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Some issues I had raised in the other official thread about this joke:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:The EVE that CCP sells is a sandbox game where you can do anything. They by no means have ever, anywhere, sold a game where you can go on stage in their live event and use your limelight time to point and laugh at other players, let alone call them names and incite other players to harass them in game to drive them to suicide. They also do have rules in place about what is acceptable language (though it does seem they do not have the resources and/or interest to enforce those). That they let it go as far as actual reference to driving someone to death before they intervened is what should surprise people here - not that they did eventually do something. A sandbox is for building whatever you want and playing whatever games you like. There is no fixed plot you have to use and you can use the toys provided the way you like. But if you start calling other kids names and throwing the sand in their eyes, a kindergarten teacher is going to come and pick you up and put you on the timeout bench, and no amount of kicking and screaming about how it was your sand will save you. The only thing left to do at that point is to grow up and realize that despite having the freedom to play you do not have the freedom to bully. Darth Gustav wrote:First of all, did you see the names of the pilots singing their respective national anthems to the glee and delight of every nerd in Reykjav+¡k? Do you think CCP was laughing too? Because it sure looked like it. Or how about the slide which was vetted where an Eve player hinted at symptoms of mental instability and possible suicide? Do you think they let that go up on the screen because they want Eve to be Hello Kitty Online?
Were IPOL and the local police dispatched to this "victim's" home, as per CCP policy, when they became aware of his purported condition? Was anything done for nearly a week after this "reprehensible offense?"
Is it possible, however unlikely, that even in a state of drunken stupor Mittens was being allegorical? Is it remotely conceivable that he didn't genuinely want this person to die?
Did everybody in the presentation have their headsets on, laptops ready to blow this dude up and supposedly verify the IRL kill? Or were they at a location where this was unfeasible?
Did CCP, a tech-savvy firm with a historical penchant for cramming both of their feet in their mouth and going "nom nom nom" with regard to bad press think, even for a second, that broadcasting drunks for profit with no delay might not be a good idea? Did anybody at fanfest sign a waiver of their rights to free speech or even receive a verbal warning pertaining to the Q&A session and its potential consequences in-and-out-of game before the panel?
I just wonder if you can clear some of this up for we disenfranchised, since you obviously have a pretty firm grasp of what CCP has and has not done for the community that basically props up Iceland's entire economy.
He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller.
-Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Miranda Fluffbunny
Black Company Merc's
The Aurora Shadow
1
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:21:00 -
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I thought the punishment a bit harsh to be honest but I love the resulting drama and nerdrage.
Going to buy some plexes just to show my support of this glorious, drama filled game.
Wuv you CCP. |
InnerDrive
Shiva
Initiative Mercenaries
1
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:28:00 -
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Seriously guys , obviously mittens went to far. he admitted it and i fully agree with any sanctions taken. this is not in good spirit anymore.
We have never been allowed to try get someone to commit suicide.
Trying to harm someone in real life has allways been a bannable offense , its one the few things that we are not allowed to do in the sandbox type game eve is. and its unfortunate that it happens to be a CSM member that did it and got banned.
But afterall CSM members are also just players and they shoud still follow the same rules of respect for others. |
OMGFRIGATES WARPOUT
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
28
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Posted - 2012.03.30 12:46:00 -
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InnerDrive wrote:But afterall CSM members are also just players and they shoud still follow the same rules of respect for others.
After recovering slightly at DNS Black being refered to as (and I paraphrase) "the sober one" I think this is an important part of the discussion. No matter the self induced importance that a majority of the CSM seem to promote themselves and their actions with, they are still just 1 player in a game and they should be treated accordingly.
If anyone would have climbed the stage and called for the harrasement of (who they felt was) a mentally unstable person with any notion of 'they might commit suicide" that person would have been the proud owner of at the very least a 30 day ban. Given the situation where the one person that did it was personally invited by CCP while media and financial backers of the company were in presence the result shouldn't be a suprise to anyone.
In all I believe that absolutly nothing will change. I believe that Mittens will successfully run and win the following CSM election and be the resurrected leader of that panel and things will be back to "normal" in 1 years time. |
Lilliana Stelles
Nagrom Security Syndicate
Flatline.
32
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:19:00 -
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I support this decision. There was no clear way to respond to this, but I think CCP is doing the best that they can. Mittani apologized on his own accord, but the ban and rules changes are needed to show that not even CSM are immune to the terms of service.
Ultimately, CCP has been very generous by granting the CSM as much freedom as they have. It's entirely unnecessary and generous, and CCP has the right to remove any of that freedom. Ultimately, the game is their property; this isn't a player-run government.
This isn't an ideal solution, by any means, but it is the only solution I can see working in the long run. Most of us are adults on here, but within my alliance we have a member who's only 13. Very smart for a 13 year old, but still, we need to consider the example we set on Eve. It's nearly a public forum.
I'm sure that alliances can still find a way to give a humorous presentation without excessive alcohol and adult language. And I'm more than sure that goonswarm can survive without their CSM puppet for a month. (Funny how all these goons are yelling about democracy while they all voted for the same person) |
Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
93
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:26:00 -
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I'm of the opinion that the 10058 voters who were cheated by CCP in this blatant attempt at ruining the game should vote with their wallets!
10058 people quitting this horrible game would be a clear victory for the outraged voters!
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Grumplestiltskin
Sleepless Premonition
Imperium Honorius
1
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:52:00 -
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Pallidum Treponema wrote:I'm of the opinion that the 10058 voters who were cheated by CCP in this blatant attempt at ruining the game should vote with their wallets!
10058 people quitting this horrible game would be a clear victory for the outraged voters!
Are you #*(@& kidding me? Because you voted for an ******* that got himself temporarily banned, you think you have to now quit the game? Everyone reading this post knows you are full of ****. If you quit it's because you are already tired of the game. Otherwise you will be back to playing as usual (albeit with added whine), because Eve is the best MMO on the market, and the only one of it's kind. 10000 people quitting just means everyone, including the quitters, lose.
God damn these idiots supporting such an ******* move by Mittens. You don't seem to get it...HE SUGGESTED GOADING A PERSON INTO RL SUICIDE AT AN OFFICIAL CCP EVENT. If you want to get mad, get mad at him for being an ass hat.
As for the "CCP cheated us out of votes" argument, if a politician breaks the law he can be removed from office. At best another election is called, but not necessarily before it would normally happen. You voted for someone who broke game law, deal with it. |
Bantara
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:00:00 -
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Grumplestiltskin wrote:Are you #*(@& kidding me?
Sir, I think you missed his sarcasm flag.
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Nlex
Domini Canium
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:38:00 -
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It's only appropriate to ban people for violating TOS. CCP is completely right. |
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