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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:47:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.
You did what you thought was right in banning Mittens and removing him from the CSM. Now do what's right in ensuring I'm not disenfranchised by your actions. Your math is suspect little Bee, as well as your deposed Queen..... Based on claimed subscriptions, that's about 2.5% of the population in EVE, so I ask again, did you really believe a bunch of alts would make you kids all powerful? You might want to re-check your maths. The Mittani got 17% of the votes. It is a small slice of the population, true. But if you read what SmilingVagrant said it was " 17% of the active voters" Active implies to me they voted and did not stay inactive. Last I heard, CCP was claiming 400,000 subscribers, 10,000 would be 2.5% of that. And yes I read it, you can put political spin on anything to make it seem important, but 97% of the population could care less about your poor deposed Queen.
I wonder how many he would have gotten if CCP instituted a one year minimum age for voters?
How about it CCP, can't really fix it now, all those Alts have already been bought. What you should have done is required all subscriptions that wanted to vote be older than 1 year, and the account active during the entire year preceeding it. At least then we might have had a possibility of a non-rigged election that couldn't be easily bought with Moongoo.
Still wondering what happened to the Goons Forum Champions? The really loud ones seem to have all disappeared at the same time? Something up?
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Darronis Olachenko
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:47:00 -
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Brainless Bimbo wrote:
Ever heard of empeachment.....
To be brutally honest he-¦s lucky he still has an account, now grow up, i thought gooms were smart and like to point and laugh at people who took internet games too seriously, so why all the drama?
They want a recount to stick one of their own into the top 7. |
Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
22
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:49:00 -
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mittens only received a total of the 3% of the active accounts in eve online. That being said i dont think many will care if he is gone or not.
BUT there are other candidates the votes should be re-done to other candidates |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
235
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:50:00 -
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Brainless Bimbo wrote:so why all the drama?
It's honestly kind of it's own goal to be brutally honest. |
Ai Shun
488
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:52:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Last I heard, CCP was claiming 400,000 subscribers, 10,000 would be 2.5% of that. And yes I read it, you can put political spin on anything to make it seem important, but 97% of the population could care less about your poor deposed Queen.
Not mine, sorry to disappoint. I am not a Goon and have no desire to join SomethingAwful to become one. You are missing the key point - people are talking about the VOTERS. Not those that chose not to vote. That is where the 17% number comes from.
However, if you look at it over characters instead of voters then yes, the percentage is much lower although none of us know the actual subscription numbers. But they do not care enough to vote so what happens in the vote does not impact them. Ignore them. |
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:54:00 -
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Darronis Olachenko wrote:Brainless Bimbo wrote:
Ever heard of empeachment.....
To be brutally honest he-¦s lucky he still has an account, now grow up, i thought gooms were smart and like to point and laugh at people who took internet games too seriously, so why all the drama?
They want a recount to stick one of their own into the top 7.
So Gore won....
man the low intensity thinking of the goons sometimes amazes me, but still, all this moaning is what goons want to provoke in others, IRONY?
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
235
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:57:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Still wondering what happened to the Goons Forum Champions? The really loud ones seem to have all disappeared at the same time? Something up?
Most of us are busy warring. I'm not in a position to play Eve at the moment so I continue to ~post~. |
Ai Shun
489
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:59:00 -
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Brainless Bimbo wrote:So Gore won....
man the low intensity thinking of the goons sometimes amazes me, but still, all this moaning is what goons want to provoke in others, IRONY?
Attributing motive like that makes me think your name is either appropriate or you are just trolling. I am not a Goon. I did not vote for The Mittani or any Goon. I voted for T'Amber on all my accounts bar one, because I liked his policies. And one went to Issler for promising to focus on conflict in EVE Online.
However, I believe with the removal of a member of House (CSM) by CONCORD the current CSM is invalid and does not have a mandate anymore as 17% of the voters have lost their candidate. I would personally like to see a re-run and would vote for the same candidates as before; but I do not like to see a scenario where such a large percentage of the vote is wasted.
That seems fundamentally unfair to me, irrespective of who the candidate is. I do not hold a grudge against the Goons nor will I discriminate against them simply for who they are and what they represent. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
235
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:04:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Last I heard, CCP was claiming 400,000 subscribers, 10,000 would be 2.5% of that. And yes I read it, you can put political spin on anything to make it seem important, but 97% of the population could care less about your poor deposed Queen. Not mine, sorry to disappoint. I am not a Goon and have no desire to join SomethingAwful to become one. You are missing the key point - people are talking about the VOTERS. Not those that chose not to vote. That is where the 17% number comes from. However, if you look at it over characters instead of voters then yes, the percentage is much lower although none of us know the actual subscription numbers. But they do not care enough to vote so what happens in the vote does not impact them. Ignore them.
Yeah the thoughts of non voters is immaterial. It doesn't matter what they want. And they have no interest in how the game is run beyond what is directly in front of their noses at any rate.
He's using idiot fuzzy math and logic to attempt to skew a result to sound less favorable to his side of the argument. It's not a matter of that huge percentage of players not caring about The Mittani. That huge percentage didn't care about the CSM as a whole. Thus their views on what is going on in the CSM right now is irrelevant.
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Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:06:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Brainless Bimbo wrote:So Gore won....
man the low intensity thinking of the goons sometimes amazes me, but still, all this moaning is what goons want to provoke in others, IRONY? Attributing motive like that makes me think your name is either appropriate or you are just trolling. I am not a Goon. I did not vote for The Mittani or any Goon. I voted for T'Amber on all my accounts bar one, because I liked his policies. And one went to Issler for promising to focus on conflict in EVE Online. However, I believe with the removal of a member of House (CSM) by CONCORD the current CSM is invalid and does not have a mandate anymore as 17% of the voters have lost their candidate. I would personally like to see a re-run and would vote for the same candidates as before; but I do not like to see a scenario where such a large percentage of the vote is wasted. That seems fundamentally unfair to me, irrespective of who the candidate is. I do not hold a grudge against the Goons nor will I discriminate against them simply for who they are and what they represent.
Attributing motive? what post are you reading? , its a comment on thought processes not motivation and an observation of the goons displaying what they like to provoke in others which they have amply demonstrated in the past many times over.
TOS read it, he-¦s kucky to still have an account, you cant rewrite the past just live with it, Mittens removed himself by his actions, its quite simple, now stop trying to troll me and the community.
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
238
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:07:00 -
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This is totally fkn Moses coming down from the mountain type wisdom.
CSM7 Skype Leak
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
237
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:15:00 -
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Brainless Bimbo wrote: :hugs:
I hate people that pull this passive aggressive **** in forums. You could honestly ban The Mittani for life from eve and it wouldn't affect our alliance one bit. But this is neither here nor there. This thread isn't about whatever grudge you have with him. This is about 10,000 voters losing their voice. Even if you removed the Goonswarm Federation from the table that still leaves you with 4000+ voters that aren't being heard anymore, assuming every member of our alliance voted (Hahahaha I doubt we even got 60%)
I'm not entirely sure that there is another Goon in the running, and if there is he likely isn't the kind of person that could garner the respect of 10,000.
Not saying we don't have people like that: Just none of them ran. |
Ai Shun
489
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:34:00 -
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Brainless Bimbo wrote::hugs:
I see you don't have a response to the substance of the post, beyond what your dislike of Goons allow you to see.
SmilingVagrant wrote:I hate people that pull this passive aggressive **** in forums. You could honestly ban The Mittani for life from eve and it wouldn't affect our alliance one bit. But this is neither here nor there. This thread isn't about whatever grudge you have with him. This is about 10,000 voters losing their voice. Even if you removed the Goonswarm Federation from the table that still leaves you with 4000+ voters that aren't being heard anymore, assuming every member of our alliance voted (Hahahaha I doubt we even got 60%)
That is well said. It is not about Goonswarm and people should not let their dislike of the Mittani or the Goons cloud their judgement on what has essentially become a tainted election. No disrespect to the current CSM; I do believe you will all get in again on the same merit you got in on before.
But I would like to put this whole mess behind us and move on with a CSM that has been elected by all the people that care enough about EVE and the direction it is going in to vote. Until that happens, I can't see the CSM as legitimate or representative of the people that vote. In no electoral system would you remove 17% of the voters and still see the governing body as being representative. It is just simply unfair - and people will see that if they remove their anti-Goon blinkers.
P.S. You guys did have another candidate, Lyris Nairn Skycaptain of our hearts. Placed second from the bottom or somewhere around there with a number of votes for her avatar |
Farrisen
MoaR ChickeN
66
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:37:00 -
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The 10 k votes were not "a democratic election" Well maybe a precentage of them, the rest= Accounts that were no older than 30 days (which means, *drumroll* alts)
Now we can all conspiracy'ise (yes i invented that word just now) , that the "alts" were most likely plexed goonzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
*puts on serious face* If I remember correctly about 6k'ish of the votes were from the "no older than 30 days" accounts, can't remember what the devblog said.
So that would be roughly (kind numbers) 4k legit votes, and 6k "fake" votes.
In any case, To much Drama on all sides for my tastes.
And uh have fun in Jita. http://i.imgur.com/DWBuV.png
Originally by: CCP Spitfire: It's because of falcon. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
105
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:39:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:This is about 10,000 voters losing their voice. Even if you removed the Goonswarm Federation from the table that still leaves you with 4000+ voters that aren't being heard anymore, assuming every member of our alliance voted (Hahahaha I doubt we even got 60%) Next time maybe they will think and not throw their votes away.
You bet on the wrong horse. Next time just think more before you vote. Arguably the CSM doesn't account for the majority of EVE but you don't hear them crying. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:43:00 -
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Revote would be sweet. Lyris Nairn, new chairman for life, over 10k votes and over 10k likes. His CSM thread also contains some great tips on playing warwick in LoL.
You sure you want to do that?
Or let's be honest here, the goons would just troll vote and put Xenuria or someone else dumb into the CSM. |
Ai Shun
489
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:44:00 -
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Farrisen wrote:If I remember correctly about 6k'ish of the votes were from the "no older than 30 days" accounts, can't remember what the devblog said.
So that would be roughly (kind numbers) 4k legit votes, and 6k "fake" votes.
30 - 8,447 250 - 8,489 ... 2500 - 2,073 3000 - 943
It is an artificial bump though as an account must be 30 days old before it can be used to vote. I missed out on one, as I had to create a new account to get another old character training. Could not vote.
I can't agree on the point that they all represent "fake" accounts. Note the distribution of accounts. It matches what you would expect of a MMO - heavy towards the lower end of account age and lighter towards the upper end. Natural behaviour and patterns in player retention after trials, burnout, etc.
There will be some, but to claim that 6,000 votes came from "fake" characters? Long bow. A very long bow I think.
But I guess whatever spins your story. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1344
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:48:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Reposting in this thread since there's two on the same subject right now. I'm sure one will be closed eventually, but until then...
That's not how it works. If a President is impeached and removed from office, they don't just hold a new Presidential election right then and there. There's an order of succession, and that's what will take over.
I can understand feeling disenfranchised right now. The person you voted for, and who won in what can only be described as a massive landslide, will not in fact be holding the position he was elected to. It seems unfair. Unfortunately, that's how the process works.
When you make a choice that doesn't work out for you, you can't just suddenly demand to do it over with new options. You have to live with the consequences of your choice. You chose a person who later committed actions that caused him to be removed from office.
Such is life. This 100% |
Ai Shun
489
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:50:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Reposting in this thread since there's two on the same subject right now. I'm sure one will be closed eventually, but until then...
That's not how it works. If a President is impeached and removed from office, they don't just hold a new Presidential election right then and there. There's an order of succession, and that's what will take over.
I can understand feeling disenfranchised right now. The person you voted for, and who won in what can only be described as a massive landslide, will not in fact be holding the position he was elected to. It seems unfair. Unfortunately, that's how the process works.
When you make a choice that doesn't work out for you, you can't just suddenly demand to do it over with new options. You have to live with the consequences of your choice. You chose a person who later committed actions that caused him to be removed from office.
Such is life. This 100%
So the CSM Chairperson has the same powers as a president? Actually, no. So about 50% there. Then, let's consider there are other democratic system apart from what the United States of America uses and there is a variety of different mechanisms for dealing with this. As has been suggested before, a By-Election type system works as well in many democratic countries where a member of the electoral group is removed, dies or otherwise are unable to complete their term. |
GondriA
BLUE EAGLES Pinked
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:04:00 -
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Jax Mones wrote:jita will burn, lets see how smug you are after all your frigthers and jump frigthers are dead
i guess u will make them undock to do that? |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
616
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:09:00 -
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"The CSM no longer represents me"
another poster who has made this thread in the past: Indahmawar Fazmarai
congrats goon on achieving such a high posting threshold |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:09:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:P.S. You guys did have another candidate, Lyris Nairn Skycaptain of our hearts. Placed second from the bottom or somewhere around there with a number of votes for her avatar
Lyris bowed out of the CSM running. |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:11:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.
You did what you thought was right in banning Mittens and removing him from the CSM. Now do what's right in ensuring I'm not disenfranchised by your actions. NOBODY CARES, IF THEY DID, MITARDI WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN A BAN.AGAIN, I KNOW YOU ARE KIND OF MINDLESS, KIND OF SLOW, SO LET ME STATE THIS AGAIN, NOBODY CARES. You can pick your votes up --------------->here. or <----------------------there.
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:13:00 -
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Mistress Lilu wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.
You did what you thought was right in banning Mittens and removing him from the CSM. Now do what's right in ensuring I'm not disenfranchised by your actions. NOBODY CARES, IF THEY DID, MITARDI WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN A BAN.AGAIN, I KNOW YOU ARE KIND OF MINDLESS, KIND OF SLOW, SO LET ME STATE THIS AGAIN, NOBODY CARES. You can pick your votes up --------------->here. or <----------------------there.
Shifting your left pinky finger 1/8th of an inch to the left and pressing the button found there is often the difference between looking like a moron and having a valid point people will read.
Unfortunately on your keyboard it doesn't matter what buttons you mash. |
Ai Shun
489
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:13:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Lyris bowed out of the CSM running.
Ah, she was still listed as a candidate though. But thanks.
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:"The CSM no longer represents me"
another poster who has made this thread in the past: Indahmawar Fazmarai
congrats goon on achieving such a high posting threshold
Should be grounds for an immediate ban |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
616
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:15:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Ai Shun wrote:P.S. You guys did have another candidate, Lyris Nairn Skycaptain of our hearts. Placed second from the bottom or somewhere around there with a number of votes for her avatar Lyris bowed out of the CSM running. there's no excuse for losing to Xenuria |
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:15:00 -
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Goon tears.
Delish. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:16:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Ai Shun wrote:P.S. You guys did have another candidate, Lyris Nairn Skycaptain of our hearts. Placed second from the bottom or somewhere around there with a number of votes for her avatar Lyris bowed out of the CSM running. there's no excuse for losing to Xenuria
It could be worse. That kid that threatened to sue Lowtax because we wouldn't let him play Eve with us. |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
8
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:16:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:This is about 10,000 voters losing their voice. Even if you removed the Goonswarm Federation from the table that still leaves you with 4000+ voters that aren't being heard anymore, assuming every member of our alliance voted (Hahahaha I doubt we even got 60%) Next time maybe they will think and not throw their votes away. You bet on the wrong horse. Next time just think more before you vote. Arguably the CSM doesn't account for the majority of EVE but you don't hear them crying.
This x1000.
Your votes DID count. You just voted for a guy who ended up making an ass out of himself, so much so he ended up getting a 30 day ban AND stepping down from the CSM. If you guys want to be mad at anyone, be mad at Mittani. He wasted your "precious" votes the second he started his drunken babbling. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1347
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:18:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:
So the CSM Chairperson has the same powers as a president? Actually, no. So about 50% there. Then, let's consider there are other democratic system apart from what the United States of America uses and there is a variety of different mechanisms for dealing with this. As has been suggested before, a By-Election type system works as well in many democratic countries where a member of the electoral group is removed, dies or otherwise are unable to complete their term.
I highly doubt CCP is going to allow another vote since there's already a procedure in place to resolve this situation.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/download/devblog/CSMSummary.pdf
Before entering office: Quote:If a candidate is unable to fulfill these requirements, the candidate with the next highest vote tally will be given their position. This process will continue until there are a total of nine Representatives and five Alternates.
After entering office: Quote:Should the Chairman step down as such or as a Representative, a vote is to be held to appoint a new Chairman with all Representatives eligible for the position.
Quote:Each player council of Representatives and Alternates lasts for twelve months, beginning one week after the declaration of election winners.
CSM7 will take office on April 4th, and their first order of business will be to decide upon the vice-chair, secretary and vice-secretary positions.
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/votingResults.asp
Since CSM7 hasn't officially taken office yet and the CSM6 is still active, they are all still considered Candidates and as such, the candidate with the next highest vote tally will move up and the process will continue until there are a total of nine Representatives and five Alternates.
That means Two step will be the Chairman with Meissa Anunthiel becoming the 9th Representative and Korvin will move up to the 5th Alternate spot from the list of Candidates due to their vote tally. |
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