You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.

You did what you thought was right in banning Mittens and removing him from the CSM. Now do what's right in ensuring I'm not disenfranchised by your actions.

Hey maybe those 17% should quit in protest

I LIKE THAT PLAN.

You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.

You did what you thought was right in banning Mittens and removing him from the CSM. Now do what's right in ensuring I'm not disenfranchised by your actions.

Wrong. They are going to come to hi sec to play with all the little people who they feel insulted by. Glad I don't live in hi sec, personally.

If goons made hi sec unplayable CCP would end up buffing concord or something lol...

They would do nothing but HELP the carebears... in the end...

That being said... what they gona do gank hulks/macks again? lulz.

You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.

~ get used to it ~

and, less then 3% of player-base is not large percentage.


And yea, verdict was light.

You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.

You did what you thought was right in banning Mittens and removing him from the CSM. Now do what's right in ensuring I'm not disenfranchised by your actions.

Did you vote? Do you understand what a democracy is?

In case you're a sub-literate drooling internet dweller than never reached the basic standards required to understand participatory government, here's a definition.

democracy: government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

Did you vote? Do you understand what a democracy is?

In case you're a sub-literate drooling internet dweller than never reached the basic standards required to understand participatory government, here's a definition.

democracy: government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

I know what democracy is...
matter of fact I was on 3 political functions and I was elected for them in RL.

And i also know what the felony is.

What about a system wide hellcamp? Say for instance, Jita? Image what that would do to EVE's already crippled economy.

Finally encourage people to use regional markets, as they should have a long time ago?

And by kicking The Mittani out of the CSM they are ignoring over 17% of the active voters in the entire process.

I have no illusions about Mittens being on the CSM. He's gone.

However in situations like this what should happen is a recall election. Let me cast my vote elsewhere. Two Step is likely to get one of them just for being a chill space bro.

And in what system did you get elected to where the elected person was replaced by some random person in the crowd? This is voter nullification. If you give a **** about your ideals you claim to have worked for at some point you would realize that a recall election should be in the cards.

Hey maybe those 17% should quit in protest

I LIKE THAT PLAN.

If elected person commits a felony he must be replaced.
At least thats what its like in countries where the law is ruling and laws mean something.

Yeah and he's replaced in a recall election. Not by random fiat, or by picking the next guy in line.

Yeah and he's replaced in a recall election. Not by random fiat, or by picking the next guy in line.

It would be good to remove the 17% that voted for people like this. Its a direct endorsement of similar activities. Purge those in opposition to the collective good. They are paper communist created of opportunity of the few instead of the whole. Round up and purge the Bourgeoisie, this cancer on our EVE.

I hope you faggots enjoy space barbies

i'm actually sympathetic to the goons.. crazy times.

Mittens shouldn't have resigned. CCP can take whatever course of action they wish, but this sort of goon hate from the player base is uncalled for. If you lived outside of high sec maybe the goons wouldn't be such a big bad scary menace to you. Bear it up more. I hope goons gank everyone.

And by kicking The Mittani out of the CSM they are ignoring over 17% of the active voters in the entire process.

Doesn't matter if the mittani was kicked or (pfffpppttchh) D3 was kicked. Players voiced an opinion and now their opinion was cast aside. This cheapens the entire process and a revote needs to be done.

The CSM never represented me, why should I care that some goonies are now unrepresented?

Because they love you despite your dirty pubbie ways.

I will, it's nice when your agenda is pushed isn't it? I mean you had last year so you would know all about that.

You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.

You did what you thought was right in banning Mittens and removing him from the CSM. Now do what's right in ensuring I'm not disenfranchised by your actions.

You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.

The voting was already done though. You don't vote for a new president when he resigns in disgrace. The vice president mvoes up and takes his place until the next time there is a vote.

As such, Two Step should be the new man in charge. Seeing as how he got the second highest number of votes, it's the fair thing to do.

You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.

You did what you thought was right in banning Mittens and removing him from the CSM. Now do what's right in ensuring I'm not disenfranchised by your actions.

Bad analogy on about all fronts.

I know this is useless to try to explain but, I've got to try.

CCP did not remove him. Just gave a 30 day ban.
The Mittani resigned from the CSM as he said he would.
In fact, he honored all three of the steps he said he would.

In democratic elections, if for any reason a winning candidate cannot serve, there is no re-vote.

Lets look at the american way... you can win the pop vote and still lose... why... because the electoral college was put in place to prevent the people from making a bad choice LOL...

LOOKS LIKE RL WORKING FINE IN EVE... ccp has removed the players bad choice.

should have thought of this possibility before all you goontards put all your eggs in one basket.

Are you REALLY surprised that someone who has pushed the boundaries of acceptable behavior finally pushed too far?

hate the player, not the game!

alot of you neckbeards just got your 1st taste of how things work in the real world.


HAHAHAHAHA

Nice to see that you have an objective opinion on the matter.

You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.

You did what you thought was right in banning Mittens and removing him from the CSM. Now do what's right in ensuring I'm not disenfranchised by your actions.

~ Deal with it ~

and, less then 3% of player-base is not large percentage.


And yea, verdict was light.

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The main point is there shouldn't be a revote. You dont get to vote again just because they guy you voted for ended up acting like a total assclown.

Yes but the point is built off of a completely wrong analogy. The CSM has more in common with a "House of Commons" or Parliamentary based system, in most of those systems if the elected official gets killed or arrested there is a temp to step in his place until another emergency election can occur.

In a presidential election you don't elect the president. You elect the President AND his Vice. If tomorrow Obama decided to go out and mow down people in Tysons corner for standing in the entrances too long: his vice president would take over. I wouldn't be disenfranchised, because a person I voted for is still in place.

I wouldn't mind seeing future CSM's run with an alternate for each CSM however. For instance we would have voted for The Mittani and his second _______. WIth the understanding that The Mittani would go to all functions and coach his sub in case he couldn't act.

I honestly kind of like that idea.

Ah. Being from the U.S, I am unfamiliar with such a process. And while I agree there needs to be some sort of system in place for stuff like this, I don't think having a second is the way to do it. Just have whomever gets the second amount of votes be the "stand in" in case someone "Mittani's" their CSM position.

You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.

You did what you thought was right in banning Mittens and removing him from the CSM. Now do what's right in ensuring I'm not disenfranchised by your actions.

Yes but the point is built off of a completely wrong analogy. The CSM has more in common with a "House of Commons" or Parliamentary based system, in most of those systems if the elected official gets killed or arrested there is a temp to step in his place until another emergency election can occur.

Your math is suspect little Bee, as well as your deposed Queen.....

Based on claimed subscriptions, that's about 2.5% of the population in EVE, so I ask again, did you really believe a bunch of alts would make you kids all powerful?


Also, I for one am curious as to the current status of some of Goonism's most vociferous advocates?
These people seem to have disappeared at a most unusual time, when their stumbling Queen needs them most? Explanations?

NOT MY CSM.

I will literally kill myself if we are not allowed to revote. Literally.

Generally we have what is called a by election if an MP is unable to do their job anymore for various reasons. Until that point the seat remains empty, that is why by elections can be rushed in the case of a sudden death as it is a short period of time.

If it involved a resignation or say for example declaring bankrupty then they tend to have enough time to inform their party and so the other parties and so a more orderly by election can be held.

If a by election was ran, Mit would have to be barred from it, for obvious reasong. Though in the next cycle he would be free to stand again.

3.4% roughly, but you know how some are about increaseing the size of things, even by this insignificant amount.

Unplug, seek help, and get outside. That is literally the best advice I can give you.

It would be good to remove the 17% that voted for people like this. Its a direct endorsement of similar activities. Purge those in opposition to the collective good. They are paper communist created of opportunity of the few instead of the whole. Round up and purge the Bourgeoisie, this cancer on our EVE.

My wife recently ran off with our Beekeeper and the combination of you name and the unfriendly nature of your post has pushed be over the edge. The goodwill of the pretend spaceship community was all the reason I had left to live. Farewell cruel world.

You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters.

unironically reported your post in the hope that you get the help you so direly need

sorry, my friend

jita will burn, lets see how smug you are after all your frigthers and jump frigthers are dead

Just you wait, my dad is stronger than your dad!
*boohoohooo*

nuf said so all u goons and alts stop ya bitchin he qiut n didnt get sacked

Your math is suspect little Bee, as well as your deposed Queen.....

Based on claimed subscriptions, that's about 2.5% of the population in EVE, so I ask again, did you really believe a bunch of alts would make you kids all powerful?

What about a system wide hellcamp? Say for instance, Jita? Image what that would do to EVE's already crippled economy.

nothing ?

You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.

You did what you thought was right in banning Mittens and removing him from the CSM. Now do what's right in ensuring I'm not disenfranchised by your actions.

Ever heard of empeachment.....

You might want to re-check your maths. The Mittani got 17% of the votes. It is a small slice of the population, true. But if you read what SmilingVagrant said it was "17% of the active voters" Active implies to me they voted and did not stay inactive.

Ever heard of empeachment.....


To be brutally honest he-¦s lucky he still has an account, now grow up, i thought gooms were smart and like to point and laugh at people who took internet games too seriously, so why all the drama?

so why all the drama?

Last I heard, CCP was claiming 400,000 subscribers, 10,000 would be 2.5% of that.
And yes I read it, you can put political spin on anything to make it seem important, but 97% of the population could care less about your poor deposed Queen.

They want a recount to stick one of their own into the top 7.

Still wondering what happened to the Goons Forum Champions? The really loud ones seem to have all disappeared at the same time? Something up?

So Gore won....


man the low intensity thinking of the goons sometimes amazes me, but still, all this moaning is what goons want to provoke in others, IRONY?

Not mine, sorry to disappoint. I am not a Goon and have no desire to join SomethingAwful to become one. You are missing the key point - people are talking about the VOTERS. Not those that chose not to vote. That is where the 17% number comes from.

However, if you look at it over characters instead of voters then yes, the percentage is much lower although none of us know the actual subscription numbers. But they do not care enough to vote so what happens in the vote does not impact them. Ignore them.

Attributing motive like that makes me think your name is either appropriate or you are just trolling. I am not a Goon. I did not vote for The Mittani or any Goon. I voted for T'Amber on all my accounts bar one, because I liked his policies. And one went to Issler for promising to focus on conflict in EVE Online.

However, I believe with the removal of a member of House (CSM) by CONCORD the current CSM is invalid and does not have a mandate anymore as 17% of the voters have lost their candidate. I would personally like to see a re-run and would vote for the same candidates as before; but I do not like to see a scenario where such a large percentage of the vote is wasted.

That seems fundamentally unfair to me, irrespective of who the candidate is. I do not hold a grudge against the Goons nor will I discriminate against them simply for who they are and what they represent.

Hey maybe those 17% should quit in protest

I LIKE THAT PLAN.

:hugs:

:hugs:

I hate people that pull this passive aggressive **** in forums. You could honestly ban The Mittani for life from eve and it wouldn't affect our alliance one bit. But this is neither here nor there. This thread isn't about whatever grudge you have with him. This is about 10,000 voters losing their voice. Even if you removed the Goonswarm Federation from the table that still leaves you with 4000+ voters that aren't being heard anymore, assuming every member of our alliance voted (Hahahaha I doubt we even got 60%)

This is about 10,000 voters losing their voice. Even if you removed the Goonswarm Federation from the table that still leaves you with 4000+ voters that aren't being heard anymore, assuming every member of our alliance voted (Hahahaha I doubt we even got 60%)

If I remember correctly about 6k'ish of the votes were from the "no older than 30 days" accounts, can't remember what the devblog said.

So that would be roughly (kind numbers) 4k legit votes, and 6k "fake" votes.

Reposting in this thread since there's two on the same subject right now. I'm sure one will be closed eventually, but until then...

That's not how it works. If a President is impeached and removed from office, they don't just hold a new Presidential election right then and there. There's an order of succession, and that's what will take over.

I can understand feeling disenfranchised right now. The person you voted for, and who won in what can only be described as a massive landslide, will not in fact be holding the position he was elected to. It seems unfair. Unfortunately, that's how the process works.

When you make a choice that doesn't work out for you, you can't just suddenly demand to do it over with new options. You have to live with the consequences of your choice. You chose a person who later committed actions that caused him to be removed from office.

Such is life.

This 100%

jita will burn, lets see how smug you are after all your frigthers and jump frigthers are dead

P.S. You guys did have another candidate, Lyris Nairn Skycaptain of our hearts. Placed second from the bottom or somewhere around there with a number of votes for her avatar

You have silenced roughly 17% of the active voters in this CSM election. If CCP gives even the slightest interest in fairness there will be either another round of elections or at the very least the 10058 should be allowed to recast their votes amongst the people in the running.

You did what you thought was right in banning Mittens and removing him from the CSM. Now do what's right in ensuring I'm not disenfranchised by your actions.

NOBODY CARES, IF THEY DID, MITARDI WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN A BAN.AGAIN, I KNOW YOU ARE KIND OF MINDLESS, KIND OF SLOW, SO LET ME STATE THIS AGAIN, NOBODY CARES.
You can pick your votes up --------------->here.
or
<----------------------there.

Lyris bowed out of the CSM running.

"The CSM no longer represents me"

another poster who has made this thread in the past: Indahmawar Fazmarai

congrats goon on achieving such a high posting threshold

Lyris bowed out of the CSM running.

there's no excuse for losing to Xenuria

Next time maybe they will think and not throw their votes away.

You bet on the wrong horse. Next time just think more before you vote.
Arguably the CSM doesn't account for the majority of EVE but you don't hear them crying.

So the CSM Chairperson has the same powers as a president? Actually, no. So about 50% there. Then, let's consider there are other democratic system apart from what the United States of America uses and there is a variety of different mechanisms for dealing with this. As has been suggested before, a By-Election type system works as well in many democratic countries where a member of the electoral group is removed, dies or otherwise are unable to complete their term.

If a candidate is unable to fulfill these requirements, the candidate with the next highest vote tally will be given their position. This process will continue until there are a total of nine Representatives and five Alternates.

Should the Chairman step down as such or as a Representative, a vote is to be held to appoint a new Chairman with all Representatives eligible for the position.

Each player council of Representatives and Alternates lasts for twelve months, beginning one week after the declaration of election winners.