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Tnelyos
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Posted - 2003.06.16 06:01:00 -
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if you think about it, eBay is a terribly unbalancing tool which will most likely have negative long-term effects. right now, eBay sales of isk give players a quick and effortless way to get rich.
this is incredibly unfair to people who either can't afford to buy isk on eBay and to people who prefer to work hard and legitimately earn money. and think about what the effect of millions of isk "magically" appearing the wallets of pirates will have on PvP. being a pirate is supposed to be hard and trying, but a pirate who buys money off of eBay can afford ships and equipment well beyond his means.
please ban anyone caught buying or selling in-game items from Eve. i just want a fair and balanced gaming environment.
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Tnelyos
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Posted - 2003.06.16 06:01:00 -
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if you think about it, eBay is a terribly unbalancing tool which will most likely have negative long-term effects. right now, eBay sales of isk give players a quick and effortless way to get rich.
this is incredibly unfair to people who either can't afford to buy isk on eBay and to people who prefer to work hard and legitimately earn money. and think about what the effect of millions of isk "magically" appearing the wallets of pirates will have on PvP. being a pirate is supposed to be hard and trying, but a pirate who buys money off of eBay can afford ships and equipment well beyond his means.
please ban anyone caught buying or selling in-game items from Eve. i just want a fair and balanced gaming environment.
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Blackwood
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Posted - 2003.06.16 08:57:00 -
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AFAIK, this is already a bannable offence.
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Blackwood
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Posted - 2003.06.16 08:57:00 -
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AFAIK, this is already a bannable offence.
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Conception
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Posted - 2003.06.16 09:52:00 -
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why not using http://www.eveauction.com/
i think it's not bad to use this ... it's just a 'i am poor i have nothing to sell' post. that's not the right forum to post such things ... see eve as an OWN world ... u have ebay in ur real-lie .. why not in EVE?
Edited by: Conception on 16/06/2003 09:52:25
Mit freundlichen Gr³Żen / with kind regards
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Conception
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Posted - 2003.06.16 09:52:00 -
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why not using http://www.eveauction.com/
i think it's not bad to use this ... it's just a 'i am poor i have nothing to sell' post. that's not the right forum to post such things ... see eve as an OWN world ... u have ebay in ur real-lie .. why not in EVE?
Edited by: Conception on 16/06/2003 09:52:25
Mit freundlichen GrnŻen / with kind regards
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Tnelyos
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Posted - 2003.06.17 05:35:00 -
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if it is a bannable offense, then it's not being enforced. if you do a search for "eve online" on ebay you get about 4 pages of items and the majority of them are for in-game items.
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Tnelyos
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Posted - 2003.06.17 05:35:00 -
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if it is a bannable offense, then it's not being enforced. if you do a search for "eve online" on ebay you get about 4 pages of items and the majority of them are for in-game items.
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Cezanne
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Posted - 2003.06.17 12:19:00 -
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CCP are not omnipotent. How would you enforce it?
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Cezanne
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Posted - 2003.06.17 12:19:00 -
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CCP are not omnipotent. How would you enforce it?
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Quintus Carnifex
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Posted - 2003.06.17 17:19:00 -
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Why should we be more concerened about people who don't have money to eBay than about people who don't have time to mine 16 hours a day? How is sitting in the game "earning it" more than working at a job to make money for eBay?
I admit that I'm lost, but I often get that way in this sort of conversation.
I think the bigger eBay-concern for CCP than "fairness" is the hornet's nest of intellectual property and ownership issues it opens up. Remember: you're not buying Eve-anything on eBay, because you don't Own anything in Eve. You're paying for a service: in exchange for $27, someone will perform the clicks and drags required to change a database entry on the CCP servers.
Mike
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Quintus Carnifex
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Posted - 2003.06.17 17:19:00 -
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Why should we be more concerened about people who don't have money to eBay than about people who don't have time to mine 16 hours a day? How is sitting in the game "earning it" more than working at a job to make money for eBay?
I admit that I'm lost, but I often get that way in this sort of conversation.
I think the bigger eBay-concern for CCP than "fairness" is the hornet's nest of intellectual property and ownership issues it opens up. Remember: you're not buying Eve-anything on eBay, because you don't Own anything in Eve. You're paying for a service: in exchange for $27, someone will perform the clicks and drags required to change a database entry on the CCP servers.
Mike
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Wardish
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Posted - 2003.06.17 17:51:00 -
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The "rules" make it tecnically wrong.
Comments by CCP employee's in the past put ebay sales in the realm of "Don't care, Don't whine." Which if I understand it correctly means that you can do as you wish but you're on your own. If you get taken, too bad it's offically and realistically outside their area of interest.
Something to remember, just because someone pays 50 bucks for 1 million isk doesn't mean it's created out of the ether. Someone earned the million, it's just the reason for the money moving from one to another is outside the knowledge of eve. You would get the same effect if a pirate ransomes your cruiser for 1 million. The money moves and nothing else has really happened.
Wardish
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Wardish
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Posted - 2003.06.17 17:51:00 -
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The "rules" make it tecnically wrong.
Comments by CCP employee's in the past put ebay sales in the realm of "Don't care, Don't whine." Which if I understand it correctly means that you can do as you wish but you're on your own. If you get taken, too bad it's offically and realistically outside their area of interest.
Something to remember, just because someone pays 50 bucks for 1 million isk doesn't mean it's created out of the ether. Someone earned the million, it's just the reason for the money moving from one to another is outside the knowledge of eve. You would get the same effect if a pirate ransomes your cruiser for 1 million. The money moves and nothing else has really happened.
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Tnelyos
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Posted - 2003.06.17 19:57:00 -
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guys, that argument is tired and pathetic. buying in-game items off of ebay is a shortcut, pure and simple. why do you think legitimate sports ban steroid use? fair competition requires a level playing field. do you let everyone who can't work out 8 hours a day access to steroids so that they can have a better chance at beating someone who can?
everyone has the option of mining 16 hours a day. but not everyone can afford to throw down several hundred dollars for some isk. buying in-game items on ebay is an admission of incompetance.
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Tnelyos
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Posted - 2003.06.17 19:57:00 -
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guys, that argument is tired and pathetic. buying in-game items off of ebay is a shortcut, pure and simple. why do you think legitimate sports ban steroid use? fair competition requires a level playing field. do you let everyone who can't work out 8 hours a day access to steroids so that they can have a better chance at beating someone who can?
everyone has the option of mining 16 hours a day. but not everyone can afford to throw down several hundred dollars for some isk. buying in-game items on ebay is an admission of incompetance.
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.06.17 20:45:00 -
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"everyone has the option of mining 16 hours a day"
Um, NO.
People have limited amounts of time. They can play EVE 16 hours a day, or they can work a Real Life job and make the money to buy stuff on eBay if they like.
I don't buy or sell on eBay. (I do use EveAuction, but that's a completely different animal). As long as CCP makes sure there are no exploits so that macroers can generate easy money and sell it on eBay, I don't care. (FYI, the reason eBay ruined the EQ and D2 economies was not eBay itself, it was the fact that both games had SERIOUS economic exploits that people took advantage of to make money on eBay with. I've heard that some people set up 10+ machine computer farms that did nothing but macro up money in EQ all day - And those people got insanely rich both ingame and out-of-game, and in addition caused hyperinflation in the economy.)
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Posted - 2003.06.17 20:45:00 -
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"everyone has the option of mining 16 hours a day"
Um, NO.
People have limited amounts of time. They can play EVE 16 hours a day, or they can work a Real Life job and make the money to buy stuff on eBay if they like.
I don't buy or sell on eBay. (I do use EveAuction, but that's a completely different animal). As long as CCP makes sure there are no exploits so that macroers can generate easy money and sell it on eBay, I don't care. (FYI, the reason eBay ruined the EQ and D2 economies was not eBay itself, it was the fact that both games had SERIOUS economic exploits that people took advantage of to make money on eBay with. I've heard that some people set up 10+ machine computer farms that did nothing but macro up money in EQ all day - And those people got insanely rich both ingame and out-of-game, and in addition caused hyperinflation in the economy.)
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Ctaesis
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Posted - 2003.06.17 21:27:00 -
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Well, some people got screwed on eBay. The price of ISK fell 50% from its high due to inflation. So consider that your sweet revenge. Besides, 10M is easy to make, and if you have 1B ISK and can't invest it because your corporation isn't as financially adept as Taggart Transdimensional, maybe your only option is to sell the extra wealth.
Seriously, eBay isn't such a bad thing, but if you've got extra cash that's not working for you and want to invest it somewhere try contacting Murray via ingame email at Akston Ventures which is a company within Taggart Transdimensional, Inc. He might have a fund that you can invest in.
Also check Akston Ventures out for a loan, although non-TTi entities need stronger credit-checks than members within TTi as the loan repayment enforcement mechanisms are limited.
Edited by: Ctaesis on 17/06/2003 21:28:22
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Ctaesis
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Posted - 2003.06.17 21:27:00 -
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Well, some people got screwed on eBay. The price of ISK fell 50% from its high due to inflation. So consider that your sweet revenge. Besides, 10M is easy to make, and if you have 1B ISK and can't invest it because your corporation isn't as financially adept as Taggart Transdimensional, maybe your only option is to sell the extra wealth.
Seriously, eBay isn't such a bad thing, but if you've got extra cash that's not working for you and want to invest it somewhere try contacting Murray via ingame email at Akston Ventures which is a company within Taggart Transdimensional, Inc. He might have a fund that you can invest in.
Also check Akston Ventures out for a loan, although non-TTi entities need stronger credit-checks than members within TTi as the loan repayment enforcement mechanisms are limited.
Edited by: Ctaesis on 17/06/2003 21:28:22
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Tnelyos
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Posted - 2003.06.17 23:47:00 -
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"People have limited amounts of time. They can play EVE 16 hours a day, or they can work a Real Life job and make the money to buy stuff on eBay if they like."
that proves my point. they DO have the option. but not everyone who plays eve can afford to buy off of ebay. for as much entertainment as eve provides, paying $13 a month is CHEAP compared to other forms of entertainment. but putting down $500 for isk, isn't. and if you're on a tight budget it's impossible.
if your game playing time is really so limited that you NEED ebay to survive, then you shoudn't be playing MMORPGs.
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Tnelyos
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Posted - 2003.06.17 23:47:00 -
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"People have limited amounts of time. They can play EVE 16 hours a day, or they can work a Real Life job and make the money to buy stuff on eBay if they like."
that proves my point. they DO have the option. but not everyone who plays eve can afford to buy off of ebay. for as much entertainment as eve provides, paying $13 a month is CHEAP compared to other forms of entertainment. but putting down $500 for isk, isn't. and if you're on a tight budget it's impossible.
if your game playing time is really so limited that you NEED ebay to survive, then you shoudn't be playing MMORPGs.
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Aerol
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Posted - 2003.06.18 10:22:00 -
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I dont mind if people "work" in EVE to make real money for virtual items. Unless, it has a negative impact on my gaming experience.
If you have a corp dedicated to say mining and they have enough members to strip mine out systems quickly, then such actions can and would adversly effect the experience of other players.
If you sell your character, it doesn't really have much of a direct impact on me, but does hurt the sales of this game. I want CCP to get as much capital as possible to reinvest in this game.
The fact remains that these activities are against the EULA. Have the decency to honor your agreement to CCP.
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Aerol
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Posted - 2003.06.18 10:22:00 -
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I dont mind if people "work" in EVE to make real money for virtual items. Unless, it has a negative impact on my gaming experience.
If you have a corp dedicated to say mining and they have enough members to strip mine out systems quickly, then such actions can and would adversly effect the experience of other players.
If you sell your character, it doesn't really have much of a direct impact on me, but does hurt the sales of this game. I want CCP to get as much capital as possible to reinvest in this game.
The fact remains that these activities are against the EULA. Have the decency to honor your agreement to CCP.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2003.06.18 12:16:00 -
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The point here is that isk is not real, its game cash, if some people think its worth buying isk for real cash how will you be able to stop them?
It would be a complete waste of time to have mods roam the multitude of web auctions and other outlets in order to catch people who are doing somthing that is perfectly legal, better to use those mods ingame to try spot and remove bugs and abuse ingame.
Besides, is buying the cash from a stranger any worse than friends giving cash and ships to each other or to their second chars?
So stop whining about those too rich brats out there and enjoy the game, life isnt fair so get used to it.
Besides, for the real cash equivilent I would sell for example a battleship I would consider myself doing a damn good deal, not that I would ever do that :)
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2003.06.18 12:16:00 -
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The point here is that isk is not real, its game cash, if some people think its worth buying isk for real cash how will you be able to stop them?
It would be a complete waste of time to have mods roam the multitude of web auctions and other outlets in order to catch people who are doing somthing that is perfectly legal, better to use those mods ingame to try spot and remove bugs and abuse ingame.
Besides, is buying the cash from a stranger any worse than friends giving cash and ships to each other or to their second chars?
So stop whining about those too rich brats out there and enjoy the game, life isnt fair so get used to it.
Besides, for the real cash equivilent I would sell for example a battleship I would consider myself doing a damn good deal, not that I would ever do that :)
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.06.18 14:04:00 -
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Anyone who buys game credits with real money is little more than a retard.
Once you've been playing for a month, 1 Million isk isn't worth $10, much less some of the ebay prices.
The guy above me is right, too. If people are really stupid enough to buy isk for $$$, then there will be someone ready to fleece them.
Don't use the argument that pirates get ahead by buying their money. They don't they steal other peoples, and sell their pirate loot.
My best advice would be to ignore this.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.06.18 14:04:00 -
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Anyone who buys game credits with real money is little more than a retard.
Once you've been playing for a month, 1 Million isk isn't worth $10, much less some of the ebay prices.
The guy above me is right, too. If people are really stupid enough to buy isk for $$$, then there will be someone ready to fleece them.
Don't use the argument that pirates get ahead by buying their money. They don't they steal other peoples, and sell their pirate loot.
My best advice would be to ignore this.
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kargo
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Posted - 2003.06.18 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: kargo on 18/06/2003 18:35:22
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kargo
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Posted - 2003.06.18 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: kargo on 18/06/2003 18:35:22
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