well i got a Q to throw out now to the community

would you rarther have these small carriers BANNED from HS like ther larger brothers or allow them into HS would mix stuff up a bit.

It would depend if they had Jump drives or not. We're talking about something with a rattlesnake esk tank and fighters. What could be construed as an amazing AFK mission ship or worse, a new incursion platform. The question is, do we limit these escorts to having a fighter only drone bay, thus limiting them to an Anti BS/Cap ship role?

Pricing would also be an issue, I would imagine it would be around an ORCA price. Alternatively you may have just discovered a viable anti super ship.....Think about it, it can only field 5 drones, BUT could field fighter bombers as well as fighters. With no high slot weaponry its task is pretty clear and a much more limited tank. You would need to bring 4 of these to match a current super carrier in terms of damage.

*cough* Domi on roids *cough*

It would depend if they had Jump drives or not. We're talking about something with a rattlesnake esk tank and fighters. What could be construed as an amazing AFK mission ship or worse, a new incursion platform. The question is, do we limit these escorts to having a fighter only drone bay, thus limiting them to an Anti BS/Cap ship role?

Pricing would also be an issue, I would imagine it would be around an ORCA price. Alternatively you may have just discovered a viable anti super ship.....Think about it, it can only field 5 drones, BUT could field fighter bombers as well as fighters. With no high slot weaponry its task is pretty clear and a much more limited tank. You would need to bring 4 of these to match a current super carrier in terms of damage.

- giving something BS sized T2 resists would result in 250-350K tanks and result in mission killdozer ships, even if only in lowsec
- fighters in hisec, you don't think this would result in station campers assigning 50 at atime to ceptors on undock? Yeah, great idea.
- cost is no issue, so making something Orca sized is no barrier to entry
- making it take BS 4 skill doesn't address fighter prerequisites, so this wouldn't be a nub boat by any means.
- so you decided to give it drones. Great, now it is a Domi on roids!
- what about utility slots, sure it won't have turrets but it could fit neuts and an Orca has a sodding massive pile of cap. *cough* domi on roids *cough*
- speaking of cap what would the active tanking be like? Oh, right, ridiculous, because people would want to drop faction boosters and play station games in hisec. Thats if they don't cloak, or sit at hisec POS's. Great, now its just like nullsec!
- how to make sane for wormholes? Impossibru! Its like a pop-up carrier for low end wormholes. (actually, the only positive implication of this concept)

A pvp combat viable T2 battleship? Gasp.

I am 100% sure this gets discussed monthly. These are the general problems that are discussed monthly:
- giving something BS sized T2 resists would result in 250-350K tanks and result in mission killdozer ships, even if only in lowsec
- fighters in hisec, you don't think this would result in station campers assigning 50 at atime to ceptors on undock? Yeah, great idea.
- cost is no issue, so making something Orca sized is no barrier to entry
- making it take BS 4 skill doesn't address fighter prerequisites, so this wouldn't be a nub boat by any means.
- so you decided to give it drones. Great, now it is a Domi on roids!
- what about utility slots, sure it won't have turrets but it could fit neuts and an Orca has a sodding massive pile of cap. *cough* domi on roids *cough*
- speaking of cap what would the active tanking be like? Oh, right, ridiculous, because people would want to drop faction boosters and play station games in hisec. Thats if they don't cloak, or sit at hisec POS's. Great, now its just like nullsec!
- how to make sane for wormholes? Impossibru! Its like a pop-up carrier for low end wormholes. (actually, the only positive implication of this concept)

Actually they're not asking here for a simple high sec combat carrier, term used is "Escort carrier" and for some you would need 4 of those to match a SUPER CARRIER dps witch is 12k for a nyx, so 3k dps.

I hope you see where this is going?- ok, let me help you: isk printing machine but afk mode or ultra "I play with my alts, I'm not alone" killing incursions all day long.

This is the bit I don't like about this idea. However, limit the drones to a flight of 5 and it'd be no better than a Dominix or a Rattlesnake for missions but would have fighters should you wish to fight in low/null with them.

Sorta like an Orca tank with some dps from 5 fighters. Kind of like a half way house between Battleships and Carriers but a fraction of the cost, a fraction of the tank and a fraction of the dps.

Fighters would be pretty useless in missions anyway. Fighters can't hit anything below a Battleship with any real force and would take ages to finish even the easiest of missions.

ok its been a real ship class before its been in other games before so mebe we can see an escort carrier class possibly.

im looking forward to all the hate comments from every one aba escort carriers an what not.

To me tho its a reasonable idea, a ship a lil larger than a battleship with barely any weapons but aloued to carry up to 5 fighters no fighter bombers

just something a little cheeper than a full carrier so ppl can feel the awsomeness off fighters a lil sooner.

Or just let me fly a fighter or fighterbomber by interacting with a friendly carrier, almost like POS guns. THAT would be cool.

Someone speaking of "the awsomeness off fighters" obviously never encountered them. Your proposal (5 fighters, no weapons) would do less DPS than a cruiser, what's the point again?

you do need to actualy read thro the thread i stated that the carrier WOULD have weapons on it but not many aka caldari would have 2 missle hardpoints plz read the full thread b4 commenting

I think what they mean Lysander is that 2 hard points, un bonused would do nothing anyway. The Fighters/Drones would be its main dps. Besides if it is a "carrier" they'll fit neuts/smartbombs in its high slots. PVE wise you'd maybe get the 2 guns/launchers, drone control range extender and 2 other misc?

For a Mini carrier with only 5 fighters/fighter bombers with a t1 battleship tank as a super cap killer, it could work well. I guess the easiest way to fix this in high sec is that they are too big for acceleration gates(knocks out what, 75% of missions? and all incursions). Allow them a bay only big enough for say, 10 fighers and 2 flights of t1 light/medium drones. That way, if people HAVE to mission run in them, they barely out dps a dominix/rattlesnake while remaining a viable option of anti super caps.

Also, it cannot fit DCU's. That way it would be limited in its dps and conform to the 4 escorts per super carrier.

Bonus's could be 5% fighter/fighter bomber damage per level. 5% resist per level? Maybe for Amarr Caldari, though gallente/minmatar im not sure. Leave out the huge control range bonus? That way the fighters can only be told to engage close to the fleet in its escort capacity.