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Yzen Mors	Posted - 2008.09.23 17:55:00 - [1] Ok - so lets rehash here: A player by the name of Azia Burgi comes up with an idea for an eve cemetery and builds it, collects a great deal of corpses and starts to gain some noteriety for his set-up. Goonswarm decides to have a little fun, unleashes the dogs of war and utterly destroy and pillage the one man corperation ran by Azai Burgi, causing widespread discussion on the legitmacy/morality of such an attack. Anyways - now it's time to move on, I figure enough people are up in arms about it right now that NOW would be a good time to get brainstorming on an idea to rebuild the cemetery in a way that would make it less vulerable or less attractive as a gooning target. Any ideas?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.09.23 17:59:00 - [2] NPC corp "keeper" that would have to go and open each and every can (that would have a non-dictionary-attackable password) at least once a month. _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:00:00 - [3] At first I was rooting for Azai but then I heard the pathetic password for all the containers and im guessing didnt have much if any of a defense. That and actually seemed to have believed goonswarm when they said the orginal attack was the work of a "rogue goon". Azai should have known that in EvE there is always someone looking to topple your sand castle. And btw, talking about rebuilding the cemetary right after it was obliterated, not a good idea. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Cassiuss Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:01:00 - [4] He could always rebuild it in Delve.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:02:00 - [5] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 23/09/2008 18:04:27 People might support rebuilding the cemetery, but unless it's located deep in the sovereign space BoB, or located at the far fringes of northwest nullsec, there isn't the slightest chance that it will be safe from the Goons for more than a few days if they decide to war dec it again. The only other option is to continuously rebuild it until the Goons get board and give up... but who are the real losers in that situation? The people who put in POS tower after POS tower, spending billions of ISK. That's who. Originally by: Akita T NPC corp "keeper" that would have to go and open each and every can (that would have a non-dictionary-attackable password) at least once a month. This idea lacks sand. Originally by: Jacob Mei At first I was rooting for Azai but then I heard the pathetic password for all the containers and im guessing didnt have much if any of a defense. That and actually seemed to have believed goonswarm when they said the orginal attack was the work of a "rogue goon". Azai should have known that in EvE there is always someone looking to topple your sand castle. I may be wrong, but I don't believe that the password for the cans was the same as for the tower's forcefield. Being able to open the cans had nothing to do with the fact that their protective shield was destroyed, and being able to open cans and retrieve corpses could hardly be called a serious flaw on Azia's part.
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Cassiuss He could always rebuild it in Delve. OOOO bringing goons to your space...well played _____________________ Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:09:00 - [7] You should call it Project Lazarus. Or The Alan Parsons Project. One of those. If your serious. /AntonChigurhPeer Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:18:00 - [8] or Project Metallica. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Gergragda Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Cassiuss He could always rebuild it in Delve. Hey now, what if people want to come visit it without being charged a 1bil / week entrance fee... ...oh wait I see what you did there, well played. Capitalism lives!
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Roy Batty68 You should call it Project Lazarus. I like it! ----------------- My EvE Comic
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:25:00 - [11] Call it Project[ed Failure] tbh.
Yzen Mors	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:30:00 - [12] Well - lol - I actually had an idea that might work. What if he allowed the major alliances to adverstise themselves on his cans? He could charge a set rate and also give special consideration to the leaders of those said cans. For instance, selling alliance big-wigs their very own cans. This would allow the Shrikes and Kirzan's of the world a place of noteriety for their corpses.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:37:00 - [13] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 23/09/2008 18:38:48 I wouldn't think that Mr. Molle wants Shrike's corpse on public display, Yzen.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Dirk Magnum I may be wrong, but I don't believe that the password for the cans was the same as for the tower's forcefield. Being able to open the cans had nothing to do with the fact that their protective shield was destroyed, and being able to open cans and retrieve corpses could hardly be called a serious flaw on Azia's part. Tell me that using a password such as "dead" for the containers in a cemetary wasnt stupidty on the part of Azia. Azia's loss of the tower wasnt that big of a deal in terms of man hours, the big loss was the fact that the goons were able to open up the containers with the obvious password and retrieve all the corpses that represented dozens if not hundreds of hours of work on Azia's part. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.23 19:05:00 - [15] I can see your point, but I don't think it's that big of a deal. The cans were only accessible to people with access to the POS... or to people who destroyed it. The value of the can's contents cannot be measured in ISK, because there are no market statistics or high demand for corpses, so actually having a decent password on the cans wasn't important. The Goons obviously didn't want the bodies to remain there, or they wouldn't have stolen them. If that assessment is correct, then they probably would have just destroyed the cans if they hadn't been able to crack the password.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.09.23 19:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Dirk Magnum I can see your point, but I don't think it's that big of a deal. The cans were only accessible to people with access to the POS... or to people who destroyed it. The value of the can's contents cannot be measured in ISK, because there are no market statistics or high demand for corpses, so actually having a decent password on the cans wasn't important. The Goons obviously didn't want the bodies to remain there, or they wouldn't have stolen them. If that assessment is correct, then they probably would have just destroyed the cans if they hadn't been able to crack the password. I cant recall how much HP a can has, though I do recall reading somewhere that a GSC has an obusrd amount, enough to the point that its generally not considered worth while to try and destroy. ISK wise yeah the corpses arnt worth it, but im sure that losing what represented, according to Azia him/herself months of work collecting corpses which is now in the hands of the goons. In short the sentimental value of all the corpses far outwieghts any ISK value they may have had. Oh and if I recall, a can can be accessed by anyone who has the password regardless of who put the can there or who owns it. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Siberys Gallente Nebula Sharks	Posted - 2008.09.23 19:26:00 - [17] I've got a dozen corpses in my Cruor.... I'm ebil
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.23 19:27:00 - [18] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 23/09/2008 19:27:30 Two dozen people in battleships that put out modest DPS (~500 each) should only take about a minute to kill each GSC IIRC. They do have a large amount of HPs, but not large enough to withstand the focused fire of a battleship gang.
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2008.09.23 19:28:00 - [19] Sorry for the guy but this is Eve. If you care too much someone will come along and trample your flowers. Not the game to care about anything. -------------------- What? Me Worry? --------------------
karttoon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.23 20:11:00 - [20] Edited by: karttoon on 23/09/2008 20:11:25 Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 23/09/2008 19:27:30 Two dozen people in battleships that put out modest DPS (~500 each) should only take about a minute to kill each GSC IIRC. They do have a large amount of HPs, but not large enough to withstand the focused fire of a battleship gang. Why would we desecrate the dead when our goal is to free them into paradise? We have managed to save all of the carcass's from the site. I have assigned a Lesser-Sheikh systematically Halal them, and then dispose of the bodies accordingly. That being said, to cover our expenses some will be sold for Schwarma meat.
Lady Valory Caldari Caldari Strike Force	Posted - 2008.09.23 20:22:00 - [21] OK, for all the role players who really like this idea here is what you do... 1) you get enough isk for a large faction death star 2) you get enough isk for 1 year worth of fuel 3) you create a new corp called "cemetary" or whatever cute name you want 4) you anchor said death star in low sec with a STATION THUS 1) attack this death star, take a standing hit and go to -10 --each pos mod u attack u lose sec 2) only a fleet could possible attack this star, so now you can see who are the real losers vs one loser goon 3) all cemetaries have maintenance fee, so if you want to anchor cans around the death star, you contract them to the pos owner with 5-10 mil isk and he anchors it 4) the pos is fueled to 2011 so therefore it is rather permanent 5) the faction death star with large energy neut batteries can kill lots of crap before it dies 6) the cemetary 'endowment' continues to grow as people send corpses and payment to the pos owner --the endowment can be used to pay for fuel PROBLEM SOLVED
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.09.23 20:30:00 - [22] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 23/09/2008 20:30:47 Goonswarm go too far all the time. Sure they have fun, but in the long run all that happens is they ruin everything for everyone else. --- Remember that CCP dev cheating scandal? Because it was BOB in particular concerned aka their main enemy, they waged an underhand little spam war with hundreds of alts pasting this web link everywhere, making CCP moderators stretched and mad. Leading to anyone blundering into their little fray and not knowing what they'd gotten into, saying the wrong things and getting themselves banned. --- Remember the 3 wave highsec nerf we're getting? Jihad swarm anyone? War against near every miner in highsec? Yeah and this cemetary thing can be added too I guess. Goonswarm is like the friend in your group who comes with you to a christmas party only to end up getting **ed then going smearing shit on the walls and screaming songs before stripping naked and painting himself blue and going around trying to slap everyone with his flacid *** saying meet the smurf. Then you wonder why noone gets invited same time next year.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.23 20:34:00 - [23] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 23/09/2008 20:36:33 No, you misinterpreted the issue. Goons didn't go too far, the whiners whined too much about the Goons. If in fact there have been nerfs attributed to Goon activity it's only because they wrecked the cozy make-believe world that certain bears believed themselves to be living in, which resulted in a mass forum exodus and whinefest. Anything but exploits are fair game in Eve, or they should be. The faster that people get back to this core philosophy the fewer nerfs we'll see.
Lady Valory Caldari Caldari Strike Force	Posted - 2008.09.23 20:40:00 - [24] The game is poorly thought out and coded and sometimes it takes 5-7 years in a massive game to expose the holes. The jihad swarm was a perfect example, and I dont fault the goons for killing hulks. In fact, every area of the game needs goons for the sole reason of poking the world apart so the devs can make it better in the end.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.23 20:43:00 - [25] Originally by: Lady Valory The game is poorly thought out and coded and sometimes it takes 5-7 years in a massive game to expose the holes. The jihad swarm was a perfect example, and I dont fault the goons for killing hulks. In fact, every area of the game needs goons for the sole reason of poking the world apart so the devs can make it better in the end. Anything that causes the Devs to nerf the unpredictable hostility of this game makes it worse in the end, not better. There are loads of other games out there where people don't have to put up with random acts of chaos. Eve does not need to be added to that list. Also see my post above yours.
IloveRickAstley	Posted - 2008.09.23 20:45:00 - [26] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 23/09/2008 20:30:47 Goonswarm go too far all the time. Sure they have fun, but in the long run all that happens is they ruin everything for everyone else. --- Remember that CCP dev cheating scandal? Because it was BOB in particular concerned aka their main enemy, they waged an underhand little spam war with hundreds of alts pasting this web link everywhere, making CCP moderators stretched and mad. Leading to anyone blundering into their little fray and not knowing what they'd gotten into, saying the wrong things and getting themselves banned. --- Remember the 3 wave highsec nerf we're getting? Jihad swarm anyone? War against near every miner in highsec? Yeah and this cemetary thing can be added too I guess. Goonswarm is like the friend in your group who comes with you to a christmas party only to end up getting **ed then going smearing shit on the walls and screaming songs before stripping naked and painting himself blue and going around trying to slap everyone with his flacid *** saying meet the smurf. Then you wonder why noone gets invited same time next year. I don't see how you can compare corrupt GMs spawning t2 bpos for BOB and GOON attacking a pos in highsec. Are people in highsec really this dense?
Constance Harme	Posted - 2008.09.23 20:45:00 - [27] I bet if it was Chribba's cemetery nobody would destroy it.
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.09.23 20:47:00 - [28] I say welcome to Eve and don't start a project unless you have massive isk to spend on every form of protection and then some. Signature graphics that may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to EVE Online. All content must be in good taste.Applebabe
F90OEX F9X	Posted - 2008.09.23 20:56:00 - [29] LOL
Paramite Pies Minmatar Kasrkin Innovative Assembly	Posted - 2008.09.23 21:09:00 - [30] I am all for the idea. But it's a touchy subject so soon. __________________ EVE-Online. Love it? Hate it? Just play it! Or go back to Runescape.
El Blanco420	Posted - 2008.09.23 21:26:00 - [31] You guys are serious? its a game, and as goon it is there job to irratate all the empire carebears as much as possible. After all, in 0.0 noone flys a ship they can't afford to lose, and what fun is fighting people that want to fight? NONE!!! So they come to empire just to watch all the carebears cry cause they couldn't afford to lose what they just lost. get over it people, they are corpses, all it did was add to the lag in the system anyways, its better that they are gone, he had his 15 minutes of fame. Oh and it doesn't matter what ideas you come up with, if the goons want it they will find a way to take it. Keep crying about it though, I'm laughing my *** off reading all this crap.
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.09.23 22:10:00 - [32] BRING OUT YOUR DEAD! Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming
Cmdr Skywalker Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.23 22:14:00 - [33] Edited by: Cmdr Skywalker on 23/09/2008 22:15:02 Originally by: Lady Valory OK, for all the role players who really like this idea here is what you do... 1) you get enough isk for a large faction death star Like the ones we siege a few times a week in 0.0, right? Originally by: Lady Valory 2) you get enough isk for 1 year worth of fuel Would run around 500m Originally by: Lady Valory 3) you create a new corp called "cemetary" or whatever cute name you want Think they already have this. Originally by: Lady Valory 4) you anchor said death star in low sec with a STATION ok... ? Originally by: Lady Valory THUS 1) attack this death star, take a standing hit and go to -10 --each pos mod u attack u lose sec Unless, of course, the corp was wardecc'd like it is now. Originally by: Lady Valory 2) only a fleet could possible attack this star, so now you can see who are the real losers vs one loser goon OH GOD NO NOT A FLEET! Originally by: Lady Valory 3) all cemetaries have maintenance fee, so if you want to anchor cans around the death star, you contract them to the pos owner with 5-10 mil isk and he anchors it Holy shit, think of the money-making oppurtunities! I won't ever have to mine again! Originally by: Lady Valory 4) the pos is fueled to 2011 so therefore it is rather permanent We will bend time and space! A year's worth of fuel will be crammed into 120,000m3 of space, and will last us 3 years! Originally by: Lady Valory 5) the faction death star with large energy neut batteries can kill lots of crap before it dies snicker We just killed 4 of these this week with no losses. Originally by: Lady Valory 6) the cemetary 'endowment' continues to grow as people send corpses and payment to the pos owner --the endowment can be used to pay for fuel But why? there's already 3 years worth of fuel in there! Originally by: Lady Valory PROBLEM SOLVED Please do this. Because in Lowsec I can use my dread! ---------------------- I suck at sigs
Farrqua Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.23 22:32:00 - [34] Originally by: Cmdr Skywalker Please do this. Because in Lowsec I can use my dread! I laughed so hard I think I ****ed my self. You spoiled it I would have loved it if they did that. It would be a good EVE- read.
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.23 22:38:00 - [35] I think money and cost to upkeep were primary concerns with the first POS. Also Azia actually being around to play might have helped _______ People like that don't have friends just temporary common interests.
Woodwraith Digital assassins G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.23 23:01:00 - [36] Get another sansha or dark blood tower, and anchor it in the same spot, you dont need to gather all the bodies, tbh, a marker for the dead would suffice for me. Deathstar it. Leave everything anchored so you dont jack the fuel bill through the roof, if you get dec'd, just go online the def/offensive modules, if done right, it will be nearly impossible to take down without heavy losses. get a couple of pos gunnery guys on retainer maybe in case you get dec'd they can join the corp and man the weapons for the pew pew, Ill contact azia tomorow when i have more time and see where its at.
Siberys Gallente Nebula Sharks	Posted - 2008.09.23 23:04:00 - [37] ROFL. Hey, OP, can you attack me in highsec? Wouldn't it be interesting if your own corpse was in the graveyard?
Candice Dice	Posted - 2008.09.23 23:10:00 - [38] Edited by: Candice Dice on 23/09/2008 23:10:04 Don't bother, you'll build it up and they will kick it down simply becuase they can. I just don't understand why Goons and Bob can't just go at it, once and for all, maybe we will all get lucky and they would kill each other off and make null sec space more appealing.
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.24 00:07:00 - [39] Originally by: Candice Dice Edited by: Candice Dice on 23/09/2008 23:10:04 Don't bother, you'll build it up and they will kick it down simply becuase they can. I just don't understand why Goons and Bob can't just go at it, once and for all, maybe we will all get lucky and they would kill each other off and make null sec space more appealing. 0.0 sec war is horrible is really why we ended up stopping in delve last time.
Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.09.24 01:19:00 - [40] Goons (and the things they do) are one of the things that make Eve awesome and provide me with forum amusement. Sure the sec system could use a few tweaks but if highsec becomes 'totally safesec no matter what' I think this game will lose something important. ---
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.09.24 01:33:00 - [41] Let it die..... lol....get it
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.09.24 01:52:00 - [42] I'm waiting for the next EvE tribune article: GOONS REVEAL SECRET HARDON FOR NECROPHILIA! -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Moon Kitten GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.09.24 01:58:00 - [43] Originally by: Cassiuss He could always rebuild it in Delve. I, too, enjoy shooting tourists at the entry gates to delve :)
Arcika Toalen	Posted - 2008.09.24 06:12:00 - [44] Originally by: Arthur Frayn GOONS REVEAL SECRET HARDON FOR NECROPHILIA! What do you mean reveal?
Clinically Gallente ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 06:19:00 - [45] Oh man, we just freed up that space on the server, don't go cluttering it up again. ________________ ANZAC Recruitment - NOW OPEN!
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.24 07:30:00 - [46] we could exterminate goons first then rebuild it?
LordSwift INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE	Posted - 2008.09.24 07:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Sokratesz we could exterminate goons first then rebuild it? No one has the guts to team up and do it. Thats the problem. Except BoB i guess. To OP, how stupid can you get, discussing rebuilding the graveyard on these forums. Next time do it privately in game with Azia and whoever else is interested.
Paramite Pies Minmatar Kasrkin Innovative Assembly	Posted - 2008.09.24 08:17:00 - [48] Originally by: LordSwift Originally by: Sokratesz we could exterminate goons first then rebuild it? No one has the guts to team up and do it. Not even you? __________________ EVE-Online. Love it? Hate it? Just play it! Or go back to Runescape.
LordSwift INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE	Posted - 2008.09.24 08:37:00 - [49] Originally by: Paramite Pies Originally by: LordSwift Originally by: Sokratesz we could exterminate goons first then rebuild it? No one has the guts to team up and do it. Not even you? Oh i have the guts. Just not the isk/time or the man power to launch that sort of campaign. Would be suicide.
RedLion Caldari Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 09:49:00 - [50] Edited by: RedLion on 24/09/2008 09:49:37 1. Buy domination control tower. 2. Buy alot of medium faction arties, and maybe some small autocannons or arties. 3. Get alts into the corp, with pos gunning skill. I highly doubt any fleet of any battleship size would manage to take down the tower. specially when the tower is heavily lagged due to all the can spam. Oh and anchor in hi sec, obviously. Oh and possibly join an alliance would be a good idea. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Zaza Zat	Posted - 2008.09.24 10:44:00 - [51] Does a POS resets the can timer ? As in, POS get destroyed timer for can start to tickle down from 30 and does a new POS will reset the timer back to 30 days ? If the above is the case, just put up a POS once every 30 days. In case of a wardec ask someone you know to put the POS up for a day to reset the timer.
Azia Burgi Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.09.24 11:08:00 - [52] Originally by: Zaza Zat Does a POS resets the can timer ? As in, POS get destroyed timer for can start to tickle down from 30 and does a new POS will reset the timer back to 30 days ? If the above is the case, just put up a POS once every 30 days. In case of a wardec ask someone you know to put the POS up for a day to reset the timer. it appears this is not the case. I will be petitioning the loss of the prematurely deleted cans when i have full internet access early next week. Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk BP Profit Calculator EVE Cemetery
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.09.24 11:13:00 - [53] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 24/09/2008 11:13:38 Originally by: Zaza Zat ...just put up a POS once every 30 days. In case of a wardec ask someone you know to put the POS up for a day to reset the timer. You can't anchor a POS at a moon where any anchored containers are already present, so this wouldn't work. I have another idea that doesn't involve a POS at all. Since we now have API access to container logs (or at least we will do once it's fixed, anyhow), the keepers could create a spreadsheet that would allow them to check which ones needed to be accessed and use it to issue maintenance lists to volunteers. Granted, this would require upgrading to audit log containers, but it might still be worthwhile. ----- DIY copying in Liekuri 20:1 mineral compression

CCP Prism X Gallente C C P	Posted - 2008.09.24 11:20:00 - [54] Sadly this functionality is by design. The fact that POSs do protect containers is there to help people with logistics in their sovereign space, not to help them leave space trash once they've lost sovereignty which has to be cleaned up before anything is anchored there again. Of course this does not really apply to the Cemetery as it's not claiming Sovereignty for anybody, but we can't base our design decisions on a unique phenomenon like the Cemetery was. This also doesn't prevent people from opening all the containers and thus make them stick after their POS goes down. But at that point they've put about as much work into annoying the conquering party as they put into cleaning up after you. As a minor consolation I'll leave you with a metaphysical life-size portrait of yours truly and a basket of rotting eggs. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008.

Bremen Saki Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.24 11:27:00 - [55] Originally by: RedLion Edited by: RedLion on 24/09/2008 09:49:37 1. Buy domination control tower. 2. Buy alot of medium faction arties, and maybe some small autocannons or arties. 3. Get alts into the corp, with pos gunning skill. I highly doubt any fleet of any battleship size would manage to take down the tower. specially when the tower is heavily lagged due to all the can spam. Oh and anchor in hi sec, obviously. Oh and possibly join an alliance would be a good idea. Oh no, please don't do this. RedLion is absolutely right, there's no way for a group of battleships to destroy a POS configured this way in a high lag situation. Especially not with faction guns. Do anything you like, but please don't set up one of these in highsec, Br'er Fox.
Strill	Posted - 2008.09.24 11:28:00 - [56] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 23/09/2008 20:30:47 Goonswarm go too far all the time. Sure they have fun, but in the long run all that happens is they ruin everything for everyone else. Isn't ruining everyone else's fun Goonfleet's stated goal?
Bruno Capri Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.24 11:36:00 - [57] Originally by: Strill Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 23/09/2008 20:30:47 Goonswarm go too far all the time. Sure they have fun, but in the long run all that happens is they ruin everything for everyone else. Isn't ruining everyone else's fun Goonfleet's stated goal? Goonfleet, myg0t, what's the difference. _______________ Fight the Power
Delos Korelian	Posted - 2008.09.24 11:44:00 - [58] Goons said it before they want to ruin EVE and everything inside so they are trying to deliver on their promise. Their idiot representative in CSM wants to introduce musical instruments wtf? He always pushes for stupidest stuff. They may not say it anymore, but I remember the threadnought and when every gooon, many of whom are currently in leadership now, have stated time after time that their aim will be from that point on to ruin CCP and EVE.
Hegbork	Posted - 2008.09.24 11:46:00 - [59] Originally by: Strill Isn't ruining everyone else's fun Goonfleet's stated goal? They fail. I keep being entertained by the things they do.
Machine Delta GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.24 12:51:00 - [60] Originally by: Delos Korelian Goons said it before they want to ruin EVE and everything inside so they are trying to deliver on their promise. Their idiot representative in CSM wants to introduce musical instruments wtf? He always pushes for stupidest stuff. They may not say it anymore, but I remember the threadnought and when every gooon, many of whom are currently in leadership now, have stated time after time that their aim will be from that point on to ruin CCP and EVE. yawn snip Your signature is inappropriate. Do not post it again. If you have questions, email [email protected] with a link to your signature graphic. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Emily Tong	Posted - 2008.09.24 13:02:00 - [61] is it possible to put up a large tower in high sec and then anchor like 50 cruise batteries?
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.09.24 13:16:00 - [62] Originally by: "CCP Prism X" Of course this does not really apply to the Cemetery as it's not claiming Sovereignty for anybody, but we can't base our design decisions on a unique phenomenon like the Cemetery was. Thinks about saying something sarcastic about highsec dreadnaughts and chribba, but he's got to go out about now
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach	Posted - 2008.09.24 13:32:00 - [63] Originally by: Hegbork Originally by: Strill Isn't ruining everyone else's fun Goonfleet's stated goal? They fail. I keep being entertained by the things they do. Exactly They are the nihilists of EVE. Pod pilots bent on reaking havoc throughout the known systems and their actions are even perfectly acceptable through my eyes as a life long role player. Even though I have little experiance with the "EVE RP Community" O\ that is how I see and justify GOONSWARMS actions. Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. ≡v≡
Proud American GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.09.24 14:40:00 - [64] Originally by: Delos Korelian Goons said it before they want to ruin EVE and everything inside so they are trying to deliver on their promise. Their idiot representative in CSM wants to introduce musical instruments wtf? He always pushes for stupidest stuff. If you don't eat your vegetables the goons will come and get you.
Shifter Stark The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.24 14:51:00 - [65] Originally by: Emily Tong is it possible to put up a large tower in high sec and then anchor like 50 cruise batteries? SMASH alt spotted.
Melody Zastra Gallente Vikramaditya	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:13:00 - [66] If the Goons are generally considered to be so nihilist and out to terrorise empire space, it sounds like they're no different from the Sanshas/Guristas etc. So I think that the new Content Dept should start creating missions with Goons being the target. Level 4 mission: Goons have been spotted in this sector, exposing themselves, scrawling graffiti on the stations and generally making a nuisance of themselves. Your mission is, with CONCORD clearance, to go and kill 5 Goon ships and report back to me. Good Luck!
Mangtoos GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:24:00 - [67] Originally by: Melody Zastra If the Goons are generally considered to be so nihilist and out to terrorise empire space, it sounds like they're no different from the Sanshas/Guristas etc. So I think that the new Content Dept should start creating missions with Goons being the target. Level 4 mission: Goons have been spotted in this sector, exposing themselves, scrawling graffiti on the stations and generally making a nuisance of themselves. Your mission is, with CONCORD clearance, to go and kill 5 Goon ships and report back to me. Good Luck! The Goon missions are located in 0.0 space. Make sure to leave the frigs so we chain properly.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:26:00 - [68] I for one endorse this "setting up in low sec" idea. Use a faction large, with faction fittings. I am completely positive nothing bad will come of this as we are all honourable in this day and age. ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
AleRiperKilt	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:32:00 - [69] How about making the tower part of NPC corp? I guess CCP can make an exception for the cemetery, besides it would outrage the goons and that would be awesome --- "I live in Los Angeles, where driving is non-consensual pvp" - Arric Rohr
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:41:00 - [70] Originally by: AleRiperKilt How about making the tower part of NPC corp? I guess CCP can make an exception for the cemetery, besides it would outrage the goons and that would be awesome CCP wouldn't let chribba take a rorqual into high sec, why would they allow this even more blatant violation of game mechanics? While I respect your motives, your method needs some tuning. ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:42:00 - [71] Originally by: Emily Tong is it possible to put up a large tower in high sec and then anchor like 50 cruise batteries? even if it WAS...they (goons) have enough ceptor pilots to orbit the tower at high enough speed to empty the guns... _____________________ Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.24 16:23:00 - [72] Originally by: Seeing EyeDog Originally by: Emily Tong is it possible to put up a large tower in high sec and then anchor like 50 cruise batteries? even if it WAS...they (goons) have enough ceptor pilots to orbit the tower at high enough speed to empty the guns... When emptying guns 1 works just fine.
Venomire GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.24 17:37:00 - [73] Originally by: Constance Harme I bet if it was Chribba's cemetery nobody would destroy it. How much are you willing to wager? Get him to set one up and we'll find out.
captbalbosa	Posted - 2008.09.24 17:40:00 - [74] Originally by: Venomire Originally by: Constance Harme I bet if it was Chribba's cemetery nobody would destroy it. How much are you willing to wager? Get him to set one up and we'll find out. You destroy his pos he would probably ban your members from posting videos on his website .
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2008.09.24 17:43:00 - [75] # I don't wanna be buried In a goon semetary # -------------------- What? Me Worry? --------------------
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 17:47:00 - [76] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Originally by: "CCP Prism X" Of course this does not really apply to the Cemetery as it's not claiming Sovereignty for anybody, but we can't base our design decisions on a unique phenomenon like the Cemetery was. Thinks about saying something sarcastic about highsec dreadnaughts and chribba, but he's got to go out about now That's not a design decision.
Yzen Mors	Posted - 2008.09.24 17:51:00 - [77] Originally by: Delos Korelian Goons said it before they want to ruin EVE and everything inside so they are trying to deliver on their promise. Their idiot representative in CSM wants to introduce musical instruments wtf? He always pushes for stupidest stuff. They may not say it anymore, but I remember the threadnought and when every gooon, many of whom are currently in leadership now, have stated time after time that their aim will be from that point on to ruin CCP and EVE. If that is true - they are the largest clan I've ever seen to have a mission statement that is contradicary to their existance. Kinda funny actually. but Goonswarm itself is a contradiction wrapped in a esoteric enigma, they kinda remind me of the russian army of world war II. Goonleader says, "here's your rail gun, and a ibis, it's got 200 iorn hybrid charges on it and webifier, when you die, the goon behind you will loot your corpse and load HIS rail gun and continue the tackle. For Motherswarm!"
Richard Angevian The Crusaders.	Posted - 2008.09.24 19:50:00 - [78] Goons destroyed the eve cemetery? I guess they have to do what they have to do to get a "victory" now that they've proven they are no match at all for bob and have offered ZERO help to the NNC to fight them. EVE would be so much better without bob and goons. E-peen whoring should be a bannable offense.
Richard Angevian The Crusaders.	Posted - 2008.09.24 19:53:00 - [79] Edited by: Richard Angevian on 24/09/2008 19:55:28 Originally by: Strill Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 23/09/2008 20:30:47 Goonswarm go too far all the time. Sure they have fun, but in the long run all that happens is they ruin everything for everyone else. Isn't ruining everyone else's fun Goonfleet's stated goal? Yes, and it's why everyone else should return the favor. There is a lot to learn from goons. Even the empire carebears aren't as powerless as they think they are, goons do most of what they do with nearly worthless ships and pilots with probably less skill than most highsec mission runners.
Yzen Mors	Posted - 2008.09.24 21:24:00 - [80] There is a serious logisitical problem with dealing with the goons though. I agree, if all of high-sec got together, bought some crap ships, we could most likely give the goons a good taste of their own medicine, we could roam through their systems pillaging and destroying to our little hearts content. The problem with doing that is that we're all organized into a little mom n' pop organizations, which means that getting everyone one on the same page and into the same attack formation would require the charismatic potential of Adolf ******, FDR, and Churchill combined just to keep the collition stable. However - it would be one heckuva fight, I don't have anything against the goons, but it would be fun to see how they would react to a zerg ball rolling over their heads. XD
Huan Hunglong Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2008.09.24 21:27:00 - [81] Originally by: Bruno Capri Originally by: Strill Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 23/09/2008 20:30:47 Goonswarm go too far all the time. Sure they have fun, but in the long run all that happens is they ruin everything for everyone else. Isn't ruining everyone else's fun Goonfleet's stated goal? Goonfleet, myg0t, what's the difference. Members of myg0t had ability... And didnt bullshit about their goals.
GIJoeDirtbag	Posted - 2008.09.24 21:55:00 - [82] Originally by: Richard Angevian EVE would be so much better without bob and goons. E-peen whoring should be a bannable offense. Competition is haaaard, man. We should stop competing against each other and live in space communes in peace and prosperity mining veldspar 23/7 bro. That would make for an awesome game.
Huan Hunglong Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2008.09.24 21:56:00 - [83] Originally by: GIJoeDirtbag Originally by: Richard Angevian EVE would be so much better without bob and goons. E-peen whoring should be a bannable offense. Competition is haaaard, man. We should stop competing against each other and live in space communes in peace and prosperity mining veldspar 23/7 bro. That would make for an awesome game. You a Hello Kitty Online fanboi too???
Richard Angevian The Crusaders.	Posted - 2008.09.24 22:32:00 - [84] Edited by: Richard Angevian on 24/09/2008 22:33:34 Originally by: Yzen Mors There is a serious logisitical problem with dealing with the goons though. I agree, if all of high-sec got together, bought some crap ships, we could most likely give the goons a good taste of their own medicine, we could roam through their systems pillaging and destroying to our little hearts content. The problem with doing that is that we're all organized into a little mom n' pop organizations, which means that getting everyone one on the same page and into the same attack formation would require the charismatic potential of Adolf ******, FDR, and Churchill combined just to keep the collition stable. However - it would be one heckuva fight, I don't have anything against the goons, but it would be fun to see how they would react to a zerg ball rolling over their heads. XD Why not promote it as a player run event? Call it the "Great Crusade" against the terrorists of the "jihadswarm"? Sure logistics would be a mess, as would leadership. But in many ways it'd resemble a goon op, since they more or less run around in a disorganized, incompetent messy blob that fights via inertia instead of skill.
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.24 22:37:00 - [85] Originally by: Richard Angevian Edited by: Richard Angevian on 24/09/2008 22:33:34 Originally by: Yzen Mors There is a serious logisitical problem with dealing with the goons though. I agree, if all of high-sec got together, bought some crap ships, we could most likely give the goons a good taste of their own medicine, we could roam through their systems pillaging and destroying to our little hearts content. The problem with doing that is that we're all organized into a little mom n' pop organizations, which means that getting everyone one on the same page and into the same attack formation would require the charismatic potential of Adolf ******, FDR, and Churchill combined just to keep the collition stable. However - it would be one heckuva fight, I don't have anything against the goons, but it would be fun to see how they would react to a zerg ball rolling over their heads. XD Why not promote it as a player run event? Call it the "Great Crusade" against the terrorists of the "jihadswarm"? Sure logistics would be a mess, as would leadership. But in many ways it'd resemble a goon op, since they more or less run around in a disorganized, incompetent messy blob that fights via inertia instead of skill. Sounds like fun i'm down.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.09.24 22:38:00 - [86] Put it down around Gehi system and call it The Goon Graveyard, make it all goon corpses. Like the mythical elephants graveyard, minus the intelligence and valuable bones. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Richard Angevian The Crusaders.	Posted - 2008.09.24 23:35:00 - [87] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Put it down around Gehi system and call it The Goon Graveyard, make it all goon corpses. Like the mythical elephants graveyard, minus the intelligence and valuable bones. Only problem is that in space, piles of shit don't smell.
Bremen Saki Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.25 00:31:00 - [88] Originally by: Richard Angevian Call it the "Great Crusade" against the terrorists of the "jihadswarm"? Sure logistics would be a mess, as would leadership. But in many ways it'd resemble a goon op, since they more or less run around in a disorganized, incompetent messy blob that fights via inertia instead of skill. If this doesn't get going soon, I'm gonna round up a few goon alts and kick it off.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.25 00:37:00 - [89] HAROO EVERYWON I AM IRONIC AND YOU DONT GET IT - I ALSO LOVE MANTY PYTHOON I LIKE THE CRAZY BHRITS HUMOR IT IS CHUTTING EDGHE SKUNK
SiJira	Posted - 2008.09.25 15:22:00 - [90] a small tower that hardly had any protection - im willing to wager on the goons bluff of doing this each time a new tower goes up Trashed sig, Shark was here
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.25 15:23:00 - [91] Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 25/09/2008 15:23:45 Originally by: SiJira a small tower that hardly had any protection - im willing to wager on the goons bluff of doing this each time a new tower goes up please do we could do with another op that has high participation right now.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.09.25 15:25:00 - [92] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 25/09/2008 15:23:45 Originally by: SiJira a small tower that hardly had any protection - im willing to wager on the goons bluff of doing this each time a new tower goes up please do we could do with another op that has high participation right now. because the goons have stuck to whatever they were doing for enough time to have an effect how was that dining in nol? didnt even go for second course Trashed sig, Shark was here
SiJira	Posted - 2008.12.17 22:00:00 - [93] what a nice place Trashed sig, Shark was here

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