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Mentorm
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:34:00 -
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The Mittani has stated in his post on Jita park that he has only refused the post chair of CSM7 but will remain as a ordinary member of the council.
CCP suggest in their Dev Blog that he has forfeited his seat on CSM 7 entirely.
Can someone clarify whether he is still a member of CSM 7 and if not who has decided he should be removed entirely? |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:35:00 -
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Clarification is this simple: CCP kneejerked just like they always do when it comes to pressure from partners/media. The only solution is either let Mittani retake his seat as CSM member (not chair) or have a revote for the entire CSM as they nullified 10k votes on a whim. |
Headerman
Quovis
CORE Alliance
794
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:35:00 -
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He's gone, from CSM entirely and the game for a month
The Apostle : I want a kangeroo
Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians
Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US?
Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
XavierVE
Concordiat
Spaceship Samurai
132
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:36:00 -
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Can't run for CSM if you have been banned or moderated in any substantial way.
This also applies to serving on the CSM. He can try to have his record expunged if he wants to run for CSM 8.
Past CSM's have seen people removed for violating CCP's EULA/TOS, this isn't even a unique event. |
Mentorm
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:38:00 -
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XavierVE wrote:Can't run for CSM if you have been banned or moderated in any substantial way.
This also applies to serving on the CSM. He can try to have his record expunged if he wants to run for CSM 8.
Past CSM's have seen people removed for violating CCP's EULA/TOS, this isn't even a unique event.
So CCP has removed him from CSM 7?
His resignation is null and void? |
XavierVE
Concordiat
Spaceship Samurai
132
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:41:00 -
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Mentorm wrote:So CCP has removed him from CSM 7?
His resignation is null and void?
His resignation was meaningless. - http://massively.joystiq.com/2009/09/08/eve-online-player-elected-council-rep-steps-down-in-wake-of-insi/
He is being booted like Larkonis was. Violate the EULA and you get removed from CSM, always has been that way. |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
39
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:42:00 -
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Mentorm wrote:XavierVE wrote:Can't run for CSM if you have been banned or moderated in any substantial way.
This also applies to serving on the CSM. He can try to have his record expunged if he wants to run for CSM 8.
Past CSM's have seen people removed for violating CCP's EULA/TOS, this isn't even a unique event. So CCP has removed him from CSM 7? His resignation is null and void?
I would sauggest his resignation indicates he didn't see the ban coming, and thought he'd got away without any serious sanction from CCP.
He's off CSM7 for a serious EULA violation, leading to a 30-day ban. This isn't the first time it happened. 10k votes makes no difference here - in fact the 10k votes means he walks a much finer line - his profile is that much higher. He should have acted more wisely. Be this a lesson. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:42:00 -
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I'm not calling for a revote to get mittens back his seat. Im asking that the 10000 players who just had their votes eliminated be allowed to recast. Barring that, reverse mittens ban and let him retake a standard csm seat in the top 7.
Otherwise, there is no point in having a player elected CSM and CCP should just pick whomever they feel is the politically correct choice. |
Ai Shun
467
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:42:00 -
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Mentorm wrote:So CCP has removed him from CSM 7?
His resignation is null and void?
Not null and void. It shows his character and that is valuable.
He resigned as chair from CSM7, but was going to stay on as a member. I believe CCP removed him entirely. |
XavierVE
Concordiat
Spaceship Samurai
132
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:45:00 -
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Quote:I'm not calling for a revote to get mittens back his seat. Im asking that the 10000 players who just had their votes eliminated be allowed to recast.
Those 10,000 members of the Goonswarm supercoalition should have voted for a candidate that wasn't an abject abusive drunkard. Rather than complain about your votes being wasted, you should encourage Mittani to get help with his drinking issues before he does something even more abusive while getting blackout drunk in the future. |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
39
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:46:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:I'm not calling for a revote to get mittens back his seat. Im asking that the 10000 players who just had their votes eliminated be allowed to recast. Barring that, reverse mittens ban and let him retake a standard csm seat in the top 7.
Otherwise, there is no point in having a player elected CSM and CCP should just pick whomever they feel is the politically correct choice.
Why should our votes be recast? We put our trust in Alex to lead the CSM before he did this. That's why there's so much rage from those of us non-Goons who voted for him.
I don't want my vote recast - I want people standing for player-elected office to get a grip and never get this game into such disrepute through drunken folly, ever again. |
Li Ter
Me Shoot Laser You Eye
20
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:48:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:I'm not calling for a revote to get mittens back his seat. Im asking that the 10000 players who just had their votes eliminated be allowed to recast. Barring that, reverse mittens ban and let him retake a standard csm seat in the top 7.
Otherwise, there is no point in having a player elected CSM and CCP should just pick whomever they feel is the politically correct choice.
those 10k players had their vote...... they voted for the wrong person though. unbanning the mittani is just stupid, he broke the rules
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Aurel Svenson
Cyclone Solutions
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:55:00 -
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Think about this in RL terms: if a US president gets impeached and removed from office, there is no revote. Democracy has not been violated here, there are rules that apply to all. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:57:00 -
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Aurel Svenson wrote:Think about this in RL terms: if a US president gets impeached and removed from office, there is no revote. Democracy has not been violated here, there are rules that apply to all.
This implies that US politics isnt the corrupt shithole that we all know it is. |
Bill Banner
State War Academy
Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:57:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Clarification is this simple: CCP kneejerked just like they always do when it comes to pressure from partners/media. The only solution is either let Mittani retake his seat as CSM member (not chair) or have a revote for the entire CSM as they nullified 10k votes on a whim.
CCP didn't nullify them, the Wizard made them disappear.
Think of Nixon. |
Ai Shun
467
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:03:00 -
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Aurel Svenson wrote:Think about this in RL terms: if a US president gets impeached and removed from office, there is no revote. Democracy has not been violated here, there are rules that apply to all.
If an electoral candidate in NZ is removed from office there is a revote. Not everyone lives in the USA or cares for their brand of pre-purchased democracy  |
JC Anderson
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
218
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:03:00 -
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Basically he stepped down from the chair, but apparently CCP didn't like that solution and they simply removed him completely and gave him a 30 day ban.
Their post came not long after Mittani announced he was giving up the chair. |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate
EVE Animal Control
41
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:03:00 -
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XavierVE wrote:Quote:I'm not calling for a revote to get mittens back his seat. Im asking that the 10000 players who just had their votes eliminated be allowed to recast. Those 10,000 members of the Goonswarm supercoalition should have voted for a candidate that wasn't an abject abusive drunkard. Rather than complain about your votes being wasted, you should encourage Mittani to get help with his drinking issues before he does something even more abusive while getting blackout drunk in the future.
Many assumptions in that post.
Re vote, meh. I disagree with all the mittani hate but, you cast your vote for him and he got kicked off the csm for whatever reason right or wrong. Calling for a re-vote just sounds like whining. "The guy we voted for ****** up we demand to be able to vote again!!" Makes no sense.
BTW, I think it's ridiculous that he got kicked off the CSM for this but whatever.
I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
216
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:05:00 -
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we all know eve is a game and not super duper serious, but at that level at the CSM you are MORE than a player with privileges you represent us all, not you and your desires as a player.
Sorry but if you act like a **** no matter how good your job, the players wont want you representing, and thats it.
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
154
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:06:00 -
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Headerman wrote:He's gone, from CSM entirely and the game for a month
Not quite true, he could possibly stand for CSM8. |
JC Anderson
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
219
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:14:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Headerman wrote:He's gone, from CSM entirely and the game for a month Not quite true, he could possibly stand for CSM8.
This is true.. It was mentioned in the post.
Though I wonder if he would even have the desire to run again now. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
155
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:17:00 -
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Aurel Svenson wrote:Think about this in RL terms: if a US president gets impeached and removed from office, there is no revote. Democracy has not been violated here, there are rules that apply to all.
But a US president has a designated sucessor in the form of a vice president. In this case there is no designated successor, the chair position would likely be taken by two step (who I think will make an excellent chair), but that still leaves an empty spot on the CSM. Putting Riverini in that spot would be a further insult as he was NOT elected to the CSM at all.
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Aurel Svenson
Cyclone Solutions
5
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:23:00 -
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My inclination would be to leave a gap, but the rules will determine what happens - like with every other democracy. I guess this would be closer to a constitutional monarchy, though, with CCP being the monarch...
I'm actually Canadian but don't know what happens when someone here is booted from parliament... |
Clementina
The Scope
61
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:26:00 -
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Let us be serious.
What The Mittini did, which is ask hundreds of people to harass one person into killing themselves, is one of the few acts of griefing that is actually against the End User License Agreement. There's no such thing as immunity against the End User License Agreement, regardless of if you're a day old newbie or a CSM grandee with 10,000 votes. People talking about 'democracy' and such should realize that if CCP lets a bigwig get away with an EULA violation, then there is no democracy because there is no equality, just rules that regular players are bound to obey that can be ignored with impunity by various influential people.
Also, a Kalrand (A Goon market person) quit during the election for CSM 6, he had amassed quite a few MD votes, which were never refunded. If you voted for The Mittini I feel bad for you, but it is what it is.
If The Mittini did what he did because he was drunk, then he has a drinking problem. He has a problem (Getting banned and losing his seat), that was caused by him drinking. See Also The Successful Politician Does Not Drink |
JC Anderson
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
220
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:28:00 -
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Keep in mind this has happened before with CSM members being booted... It ended up going to the alternate.
Though that member was not a chairman.
Ankhesentapemkah was removed from CSM 5 after an NDA breach, and she did win with the second highest vote count. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
478
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:28:00 -
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He really was a wizard he made 10k votes vanish.
Nice. |
MIkhail Illiad
Fevered Imaginings
DSM FOUNDATION
13
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:30:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Mentorm wrote:So CCP has removed him from CSM 7?
His resignation is null and void? Not null and void. It shows his character and that is valuable. He resigned as chair from CSM7, but was going to stay on as a member. I believe CCP removed him entirely.
He showed his "character" when he was drunk on the alliance panel.. don't white knight the guy...
On a one man mission against asshatery!-á |
OfBalance
Caldari State
310
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:32:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:He really was a wizard he made 10k votes vanish.
Nice.
Credit where it is due. That was a good :boosh: |
Ai Shun
470
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:47:00 -
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MIkhail Illiad wrote:He showed his "character" when he was drunk on the alliance panel.. don't white knight the guy...
So you make a terrible mistake, apologise, attempt restitution and are punished for it and that still makes you a bad person? It takes balls to apologise in the first instance, you see preciously little of it online as it stands. He messed up, badly, no mistaking that. But he did what he could to make it right again and I can respect that. |
Allandi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:56:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:I'm not calling for a revote to get mittens back his seat. Im asking that the 10000 players who just had their votes eliminated be allowed to recast. Barring that, reverse mittens ban and let him retake a standard csm seat in the top 7.
Otherwise, there is no point in having a player elected CSM and CCP should just pick whomever they feel is the politically correct choice.
I botched last week's lottery numbers. I demand a new ticket!
Sorry, life doesnt work that way. |
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