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DuffmanPeter Perpetua Umbra Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 04:18:00 - [1] As title is saying. Was thinking of either a pvp raven or a pvp maelstrom. Also quick question. I was looking at a hyperion and mael and was wondering why does the maelstrom have a worse align time and speed? The tempest and typhoon are the fastest counterparts just seemed strange that it wasnt so for tier 3 battleships. Imply or Implode? There are many Duffman, don't tell the children... It's disillusioning!
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.24 04:23:00 - [2] Considering that a Mael can active-tank a shitstorm worth of DPS if fitted right, I can see why. But back to the main question: Torps or Large Projectiles. I'd say torps, since they cost less SP training time for the same effectiveness, and torps are basically fire-and-forget up to 30kmish on a Raven. I still fear a torp raven under 30km to this day. Large Projectiles (T2) will force you to train small and meds to 5 as well, so unless you dont have those, thats a training time disadvantage already. Secondly, considering the main issue with arties atm (lack of alpha strike), and the fact that they are turrets (1 TD and its up shits creek for you), well... Then again, in hindsight, I dont fear minnie BS's that much (cept the typhoon with the dual-weapon loadout), so that could be a plus... -
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.09.24 04:24:00 - [3] Projectiles suck. Torps do not suck. Any questions?
DuffmanPeter Perpetua Umbra Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 04:56:00 - [4] Edited by: DuffmanPeter on 24/09/2008 04:58:42 Yea I have all the prereqs for large auto spec except for large proj 5. But I think im gonna go for torps 5. What you guys both said made sense. Less time and more damage. Im still curious why the mael is so bulky. Makes no sense. Thanks Merlin and Kazuma for the help. Imply or Implode? There are many Duffman, don't tell the children... It's disillusioning!
ZigZag Joe Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 05:21:00 - [5] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Projectiles suck. Torps do not suck. Any questions? /thread right here gents
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.09.24 05:59:00 - [6] Torps. Projectiles happen to be the crappiest turrets in the game at the moment. Torps happen to be a fantastic damage dealing weapon at the moment. And as one of the other guys in the thread said - way less skill intensive. ----------
Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.09.24 06:19:00 - [7] Torps until Projectiles get fixed/boosted. _
Delichon The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET	Posted - 2008.09.24 06:55:00 - [8] Torps for lowsec (for gate/undock fights). Projectiles for null sec (fleet ops). Torps are worthless in fleet fights since for anti-support you need cruises, for anti-BS you need 150km optimal insta-damage. You can use torps to bash a cynojammer - but this is pretty much it in 0.0 ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. They will be nerfing you directly next. EVE A new game every 6 months. (c) Atomos Darksun
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.24 07:21:00 - [9] Both are very useful, so al you need to decide is which one you want first. Originally by: BiggestT the wyvern is the single hottest cap ship in existence.
celada1 Caldari FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.24 08:19:00 - [10] I'd recommend getting both, first torp's then projectile's.
alpha charlie Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.24 08:25:00 - [11] no such thing as a pvp raven, no such thing as a pvp maelstrom. Train vruise and use autocannons on a tempest
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.24 08:31:00 - [12] Originally by: alpha charlie Edited by: alpha charlie on 24/09/2008 08:27:12 u will find it hard to fit a good pvp torp raven btw and noone uses a maelstrom to pvp, its just too slow It's true that both ships have a small niche but what they do, they do quite well. Maelstrom will be a top notch sniper when they improve large projectiles and raven is already rivalling the megathron for close range dps support.
Vim Spook Division	Posted - 2008.09.24 11:17:00 - [13] Large proj 5, AC maelstrom is bigger monster then a raven O_O
fkingfurious	Posted - 2008.09.24 11:20:00 - [14] Torpedoes.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 11:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Vim Large proj 5, AC maelstrom is bigger monster then a raven O_O what, dps more than a neutron B-thron up to 30km is not a big monster already? --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.24 12:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Vim Large proj 5, AC maelstrom is bigger monster then a raven O_O what, dps more than a neutron B-thron up to 30km is not a big monster already? And this, kids, is why I fear a torp raven, no matter what ship I'm in, when within 30km. -
DuffmanPeter Perpetua Umbra Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:19:00 - [17] Edited by: DuffmanPeter on 24/09/2008 15:24:55 Edited by: DuffmanPeter on 24/09/2008 15:24:42 Edited by: DuffmanPeter on 24/09/2008 15:24:23 To be honest torps only do good damage against bses and bces while if I found anything lower than that im figuring i wouldnt be doing much damage. That is one of my main concerns. But My setup was gonna be 6 siege IIs 1 mwd II 1 pwnage painter 1 warp disruptor II 1 invul II 1 photon II 1 large extender II 3 bcs II 1 dc II 1 pds II This setup solid? Would the 4th bcs be worth it? Imply or Implode? There are many Duffman, don't tell the children... It's disillusioning!
Major PewPew The Dark Horses	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Vim Large proj 5, AC maelstrom is bigger monster then a raven O_O what game are you playing where an AC maelstrom does more DPS and Alpha than a T2 Torp Raven??
achoura	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:57:00 - [19] AC + torps = Phoon = more scary than raven & maelstrom. *The EVE servers and their patches*
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 16:18:00 - [20] Originally by: achoura AC + torps = Phoon = more scary than raven & maelstrom. now that I agree. and duffman, you still have the option of javelins. sure it takes out a bit of your damage, but the ability of shooting sub-BS targets (and extra range aswell) for moar damage is just a click away. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.24 16:34:00 - [21] Torps (I have Torps/Lg Proj5). -Liang --
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.24 17:10:00 - [22] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Projectiles do not suck. Torps do not suck. Any questions? Fix'd. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.24 17:16:00 - [23] Originally by: NightmareX Fix'd. Good to see you again Nightmare. -Liang --
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.24 17:57:00 - [24] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: NightmareX Fix'd. Good to see you again Nightmare. -Liang Hah. I haven't left yet. I will leave for the military in 3 days. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.24 18:04:00 - [25] Originally by: NightmareX I haven't left yet. I will leave for the military in 3 days. Are you going to have access? And: o7 -Liang --
DuffmanPeter Perpetua Umbra Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 18:06:00 - [26] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: achoura AC + torps = Phoon = more scary than raven & maelstrom. now that I agree. and duffman, you still have the option of javelins. sure it takes out a bit of your damage, but the ability of shooting sub-BS targets (and extra range aswell) for moar damage is just a click away. Yea I agree with you there. Think Ill go for torps just by the use of javelins as well as I could make a decent typhoon just having t2 torps and some neuts or autocannons. Thanks for the info Grimpak as well as everyone else who has added to this thread. Imply or Implode? There are many Duffman, don't tell the children... It's disillusioning!
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.24 18:11:00 - [27] Edited by: NightmareX on 24/09/2008 18:13:39 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: NightmareX I haven't left yet. I will leave for the military in 3 days. Are you going to have access? And: o7 -Liang I will still have access to this EVE forum, also to post with NightmareX to 25.10.2008. I will only reactivate my account for 1 month when i need to start a new skill. Anyways, do not take this topic off topic, so lets discuss more about the military here. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.24 21:35:00 - [28] I just went thru this same problem myself since I'm finally getting into PvP BS's. I decided Large Projectiles because I consider it a Base skill for all three Minny BSs. Even though I'll specialize in the typhoon I'll have my AC and Arty boats out of the way.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.24 21:37:00 - [29] Torps 5, then Large Energy turret 5, then perhaps large hybrid turret 5.... Then some other useful stuff like jury rigging 5, every race titan 5, tactical shield manipulation 5 Once you're done with those, you might consider large projectiles 5 1.
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.09.24 21:46:00 - [30] Originally by: AstroPhobic Torps 5, then Large Energy turret 5, then perhaps large hybrid turret 5.... Then some other useful stuff like jury rigging 5, every race titan 5, tactical shield manipulation 5 Once you're done with those, you might consider large projectiles 5 1. Damn you! I was busy posting elsewhere and you got this one in right before me!

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