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![OllieNorth OllieNorth](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1809656392/portrait?size=64)
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
173
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:59:00 -
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I have a coalition of angry bears who will be bringing upwards of 300 BattleBadgers to the event. Should be fun. |
![MushroomMushroom MushroomMushroom](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1965905870/portrait?size=64)
MushroomMushroom
Consolidated Sprocket
30
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Posted - 2012.04.21 17:11:00 -
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Any tax mechanic aimed at Jita would need to by dynamic, otherwise the trade would just centralize on an alternative hub (say Amarr). As for the goon interdiction, it will have a negligible long term effect on Jita as a whole, will have a moderate to large short term impact on the markets for certain goods, but will generate EPIC quantities of tears. |
![Nomad I Nomad I](https://images.evetech.net/characters/946409703/portrait?size=64)
Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:32:00 -
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We don't need to think about Jita, because as long as we have those medivial region borders we will get a new Jita. Jita exists because of a lack of information. Jita gives us a good global price level on most products.
Those regions borders are an result of former technological problem, but since CCP moved the market of Jita to a dedicated server CCP should have no problems to get rid of the region borders. |
![Nylith Empyreal Nylith Empyreal](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91644490/portrait?size=64)
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:41:00 -
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You could add taxes with increased pilots in a single station, as the station fills it will require more maintenance etc. the more a station fills the more transaction taxes are heaped upon them along with possible low mission rewards in some hubs. Forcing everyone to spread out more / evenly. -á |
![Scrapyard Bob Scrapyard Bob](https://images.evetech.net/characters/545806274/portrait?size=64)
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
884
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:49:00 -
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Nomad I wrote: Those regions borders are an result of former technological problem, but since CCP moved the market of Jita to a dedicated server CCP should have no problems to get rid of the region borders.
Regional borders are a boon to the younger / smaller traders. Without regional borders, Jita would pretty much dominate the landscape (even more then today). Perfect information is the enemy of good game play as it lets the larger fish crowd out the smaller fish.
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![Dead Loss Dead Loss](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1891602662/portrait?size=64)
Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
33
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Posted - 2012.04.22 07:18:00 -
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Jita is THE place you want to be on that day.
Anyone saying "avoid Jita" has failed to understand what is going to happen.
And I am talking about market. Not combat. |
![Caleb Ayrania Caleb Ayrania](https://images.evetech.net/characters/148326744/portrait?size=64)
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
17
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Posted - 2012.04.22 10:05:00 -
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Alain Kinsella wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:Will other market hubs see more demand? If the casual buyers are smart, they already moved to another hub long ago. If not, they'll learn awful fast. My personal hope is that Jita just becomes another hub - all four becoming more equal to each other (yes, I'm implying that Dodixie finally gets first-class status). @ corestwo - valid point. My previous experience with SL makes me think (if Sony was behind some of this) that you're in for an interesting time. GL with your guys efforts, I had enough of that back with y'all in SL so I'll just sit back and grab some popcorn this time.
Just a small comment on this one. I think it would be worth a look from ccp side to rebalance the general markets.
My suggestion would be they make one station which is scc and thus neutral in each of the primary and secondary hubs in the entire universe. So 8 new stations. Then link the benefits directly to trade skills and not faction standing.
amarr-and-gallente
caldari-and-minmatar
I think the general idea of Burn Jita is a very interesting piece of player created content. The goons are def "creating" the game, while occasionally destroying it for individuals and groups. I would just like if there was more like this on smaller scales and "ongoing"... Hopefully some of the new ballancings and fixing aggression might help with that..
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![clixor clixor](https://images.evetech.net/characters/991501693/portrait?size=64)
clixor
Celluloid Gurus
3
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:18:00 -
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Dead Loss wrote:Jita is THE place you want to be on that day.
Anyone saying "avoid Jita" has failed to understand what is going to happen.
And I am talking about market. Not combat.
There's only so much stuff which can be 'swapped' between traders. Eventually you'll need consumers. So imo other hubs are more interesting after a few days. I wouldn't be surprised if the goonz have anticipated this and have stocks in the secundary hubs (that's what i would do at least). |
![Prophet Avater Prophet Avater](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1863441527/portrait?size=64)
Prophet Avater
Imperium Technologies F0RCEFUL ENTRY
0
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Posted - 2012.04.23 13:31:00 -
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There is always a chance it will cause some discomfort for traders, I expect it to spike prices, for it to be effective It can't be for 1 day maybe a few weeks or goons can just attack at random. |
![Lauzejs Lauzejs](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2006136036/portrait?size=64)
Lauzejs
Caldari Enclave Navy
0
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:00:00 -
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10xbeers check, popcorn.... errr 10x beer check 30" screen check, cloaked ship check, JC in highsec check, free weekend check, I say let it burn i want see all the tears in local and everywere else in jita ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) |
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![Soldarius Soldarius](https://images.evetech.net/characters/268384296/portrait?size=64)
Soldarius
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
213
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Posted - 2012.04.25 09:34:00 -
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Burn Jita will not be a success in my eyes unless the number of rage/qq posts in local exceeds the number of scam posts. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
![Nomad I Nomad I](https://images.evetech.net/characters/946409703/portrait?size=64)
Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.04.25 10:49:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:Burn Jita will not be a success in my eyes unless the number of rage/qq posts in local exceeds the number of scam posts.
This wont be a problem |
![Capt NoeZ Capt NoeZ](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1019266259/portrait?size=64)
Capt NoeZ
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.25 11:51:00 -
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Goons will burn in Jita. |
![Lutin Ballista Lutin Ballista](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91175843/portrait?size=64)
Lutin Ballista
Paladin Philanthropists Blue Nation
4
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Posted - 2012.04.25 12:27:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:[quote=Alain Kinsella]
Healthier secondary trade hubs means more niches for the smaller traders to get a foothold into the market.
Or more reasons for the big traders to move in and crush all the little people |
![Slavemaster Slavemaster](https://images.evetech.net/characters/511971341/portrait?size=64)
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
34
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Posted - 2012.04.25 12:29:00 -
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words words words... Oo |
![Itis Zhellin Itis Zhellin](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91845395/portrait?size=64)
Itis Zhellin
Vampires of Transilvania
0
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Posted - 2012.04.25 14:53:00 -
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Burning ships and Jita is really good for business, is actually a massive boost to economy,cant wait to see it happen! *gently petting the wallet* I hope is not only a bad joke or bluff, that will badly hurt a lot of business plans. |
![Towaoc Towaoc](https://images.evetech.net/characters/144798161/portrait?size=64)
Towaoc
Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune
6
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Posted - 2012.04.25 15:03:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote: It will happen 28th april and he said they will need 1800 tornados....
1,800 Tornados... is this event only going to last a couple of hours?
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![Killer Jane Killer Jane](https://images.evetech.net/characters/320365439/portrait?size=64)
Killer Jane
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.26 23:39:00 -
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Towaoc wrote:Katarina Reid wrote: It will happen 28th april and he said they will need 1800 tornados.... 1,800 Tornados... is this event only going to last a couple of hours?
to convert into some hard numbers
1800 tornados = 150-180 dead freighters ![Pirate](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png)
for smaller stuff... u dont need tornados... |
![Nex apparatu5 Nex apparatu5](https://images.evetech.net/characters/217821555/portrait?size=64)
Nex apparatu5
Nigerian Trust Investments Legitimate Trade Establishments
271
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Posted - 2012.04.27 00:53:00 -
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Towaoc wrote:Katarina Reid wrote: It will happen 28th april and he said they will need 1800 tornados.... 1,800 Tornados... is this event only going to last a couple of hours?
He missed a zero |
![Kalli Brixzat Kalli Brixzat](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91881527/portrait?size=64)
Kalli Brixzat
17
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Posted - 2012.04.28 05:53:00 -
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Thus far, the only significant effect I've seen is that the market in lonetrek is booming. I'm turning a healthy profit without having to get within 2 jumps of Jita. |
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![papamike papamike](https://images.evetech.net/characters/934024246/portrait?size=64)
papamike
Precipice Industries
23
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Posted - 2012.04.29 09:30:00 -
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Interestingly we are still seeing a sharp drop in mineral prices, so station traders are still confident and happy to continue business as usual despite any nice fireworks display going on outside the undock. |
![Riley Moore Riley Moore](https://images.evetech.net/characters/290447485/portrait?size=64)
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
442
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Posted - 2012.04.29 09:58:00 -
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papamike wrote:Interestingly we are still seeing a sharp drop in mineral prices, so station traders are still confident and happy to continue business as usual despite any nice fireworks display going on outside the undock.
Volume of those mins moved per day has dropped sharply over the past two days. Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |
![Zack Sibiro Zack Sibiro](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90719135/portrait?size=64)
Zack Sibiro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 13:32:00 -
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Riley Moore wrote:papamike wrote:Interestingly we are still seeing a sharp drop in mineral prices, so station traders are still confident and happy to continue business as usual despite any nice fireworks display going on outside the undock. Volume of those mins moved per day has dropped sharply over the past two days.
Volumes decreased not only for minerals, but also for a lot of other industrialists goods (especially small ones, i.e. freighter-transferred). As of ammunition, the numbers are a bit controversal. It seems that some usual freights were at least postponed.
+ please bear in mind that several countries have a public holiday and long weekend (time for travel and IRL fun). |
![Thorpeykins Domokins Thorpeykins Domokins](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91726892/portrait?size=64)
Thorpeykins Domokins
Penguin Brigade Imperial Hull Tankers
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:49:00 -
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Burn Jita isn't working so far, I'm still easily selling stuff in the station as people continue to buy regularly. |
![corestwo corestwo](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1102912018/portrait?size=64)
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
211
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:00:00 -
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Zack Sibiro wrote:Riley Moore wrote:papamike wrote:Interestingly we are still seeing a sharp drop in mineral prices, so station traders are still confident and happy to continue business as usual despite any nice fireworks display going on outside the undock. Volume of those mins moved per day has dropped sharply over the past two days. Volumes decreased not only for minerals, but also for a lot of other industrialists goods (especially small ones, i.e. freighter-transferred). As of ammunition, the numbers are a bit controversal. It seems that some usual freights were at least postponed. + please bear in mind that several countries have a public holiday and long weekend (time for travel and IRL fun).
The holidays are meaningless. As an indicator, here is Zydrine these past few days, with a few days beforehand as comparison. http://i.imgur.com/MCTpq.png
And here is Zydrine around Christmas 2011. http://i.imgur.com/2MEVk.png A large drop, sure, but a single day, despite the fact that many would be traveling before & after.
Memorial day. http://i.imgur.com/Rm0tD.png A popular travel holiday in the USA. No drop whatsoever.
Thorpeykins Domokins wrote:Burn Jita isn't working so far, I'm still easily selling stuff in the station as people continue to buy regularly. So you're one of the idiot clowns who read about burn jita and decided that our goal was to completely shut down all traffic then? |
![Lord Angelus Mortis Lord Angelus Mortis](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91458364/portrait?size=64)
Lord Angelus Mortis
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:26:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Zack Sibiro wrote:Riley Moore wrote:papamike wrote:Interestingly we are still seeing a sharp drop in mineral prices, so station traders are still confident and happy to continue business as usual despite any nice fireworks display going on outside the undock. Volume of those mins moved per day has dropped sharply over the past two days. Volumes decreased not only for minerals, but also for a lot of other industrialists goods (especially small ones, i.e. freighter-transferred). As of ammunition, the numbers are a bit controversal. It seems that some usual freights were at least postponed. + please bear in mind that several countries have a public holiday and long weekend (time for travel and IRL fun). The holidays are meaningless. As an indicator, here is Zydrine these past few days, with a few days beforehand as comparison. http://i.imgur.com/MCTpq.pngAnd here is Zydrine around Christmas 2011. http://i.imgur.com/2MEVk.pngA large drop, sure, but a single day, despite the fact that many would be traveling before & after. Memorial day. http://i.imgur.com/Rm0tD.pngA popular travel holiday in the USA. No drop whatsoever. Thorpeykins Domokins wrote:Burn Jita isn't working so far, I'm still easily selling stuff in the station as people continue to buy regularly. So you're one of the idiot clowns who read about burn jita and decided that our goal was to completely shut down all traffic then?
If anything the price spikes will happen once over, orders are down almost a third, with volume dropping even less, all the people who were going to buy will most likely do so once Jita is normal again. |
![corestwo corestwo](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1102912018/portrait?size=64)
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
211
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:54:00 -
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Exactly. There's all kinds of pent up demand right now, and a probable outcome once people feel like they can start buying again is that the market pops like a zit and we get a few days of 2-3x normal volume. |
![Smoke Adian Smoke Adian](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1430912039/portrait?size=64)
Smoke Adian
14
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Posted - 2012.04.29 17:17:00 -
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Many producers like myself didn't have the isk to stockpile billions of isk worth of minerals/components to keep the assembly lines going or they were too conservative to gamble on committing a weeks worth of resources to a certain item that may no longer be profitable whenever Burn Jita ends.
The end result is that our goods that finished during Burn Jita are sitting in a station somewhere waiting to be hauled into Jita for sale. Once this happens I think we'll see a huge run on components and minerals as everyone buys up stock to ship back to their production homes for their next production cycle. Freight services are going to be absolutely blasted in the days following Burn Jita.
As an example of how the market has been effected, in the T2 component I'm currently selling, volume dropped to 740 yesterday compared to it's normal range of around 2000-4000. However, it's back up to normal numbers today as everyone starts to chatter about Burn Jita being over. |
![corestwo corestwo](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1102912018/portrait?size=64)
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
220
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:17:00 -
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CFC spent approximately 182 billion isk and achieved approximately 515b isk in damage. These numbers are from eve-kill and are somewhat corrected where necessary - for example, eve-kill undervalues freighters and significantly undervalues jump freighters. There were also the usual "were those BPOs or BPCs?" that had to be accounted for - I'm sure everyone saw the infamous half trillion isk freighter, although it's now been API corrected and the 200 covertor prints are now copies.
A brief breakdown by ship types.
26 Exhumers. This counts only ones killed in and immediately around Jita. 57 Freighters. Freighters accounted for the lion's share of destruction - a total of 258.5 billion isk. 14 Jump Freighters 97 Tech 1 industrials. This category includes Noctii, of which quite a few died. The average loss of a kill in this category was 157.8 million isk. 25 Tech 2 industrials. The average loss of a kill in THIS category was 495.9 million isk, over three times that of Tech 1 indies, although it was surely skewed upwards by this fellow. 24 battleships. Most of these were war targets, but there were four people flying around in pimped out faction battleships, as well as one pilot who tried a supertanked abaddon to move his LP store loot. 7 pilots of Tech 3 ships were killed. All were war targets; one also lost his 2b isk Slave implanted pod. A total of 428 implanted pods died, approximately 50.3 billion worth. The average cost of a pod was 117.5 million isk; the most expensive pod was this guy, who's freighter was one of our less notable kills. Maybe he thought the slave set would keep him intact; unfortunately for him, we're not Niarja gankers out to maximize profit and thus overkill was the name of the game. |
![corestwo corestwo](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1102912018/portrait?size=64)
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
246
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:23:00 -
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Here's your burn jita market effect. |
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