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Judge Ment Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:22:00 - [61] Originally by: bucktooth I suppose CCP don't actually ban macro miners and other such isk farmers as they still make them money. So they allow them to play and jack the prices up. Which kind of does take the p*, its all about money for ccp. \ & At the end you didn't see a penny?**
bucktooth Caldari Cynical.	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:38:00 - [62] Not any more.
Pharaik Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:44:00 - [63] Well there is another gist to this and the money thing. CCP lauched EVE in china just under a yr ago and on the first day they got 200,000 subscribers "subscribers" which means they payed. The money CCP make from the china server would cover the cost of china's servers and the Euro servers twice fold. And withe the new laws in china for online gamein even tho the servers only hold 30k + ppl all 200,000+ ppl play each day. Do the math. Then work out if CCP care ??
Mark Interiis Gallente Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:54:00 - [64] Originally by: Sheriff Jones If game is worth 10, with 10.000 accounts the profit is 100.000 If game goes to 11, and they lose 1000 players, they make 99.000 So it's around 1% to 1% ratio on price increase/lost players. Should be able to calculate the increase of price compared to lost accounts, even with an educated guess. Meet the non-linear function? For the daft, if there are two players and one quits the playerbase goes down by 50% and the price goes up by 100.
Judge Ment Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:54:00 - [65] Originally by: Pharaik Well there is another gist to this and the money thing. CCP lauched EVE in china just under a yr ago and on the first day they got 200,000 subscribers "subscribers" which means they payed. The money CCP make from the china server would cover the cost of china's servers and the Euro servers twice fold. And withe the new laws in china for online gamein even tho the servers only hold 30k + ppl all 200,000+ ppl play each day. Do the math. Then work out if CCP care ?? Really? 200,000 people one china server! Is there a chinese forum for EVE id like to read some!
Pharaik Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:55:00 - [66] Edited by: Pharaik on 30/09/2008 16:56:49 Edited by: Pharaik on 30/09/2008 16:55:43 No not 200k on one sever, just 200k+ of subscribers on first day of relese http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6152680.html and its www.eve-china.com and weep.
bucktooth Caldari Cynical.	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:57:00 - [67] Hmm imagine the actual isk worth on that server with all the farmers trying to earn a living
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:03:00 - [68] Most of you posters are stupid. GTC's HAVE to be purchased by someone WITH REAL MONEY. The GTC price in real money hasnt gone up, the ISK price has. That indicates that ISK is worth less now, then it was a few months ago, OR, GTC demand has gone through teh roof, w/o a coresponding increase in GTC sellers. Two things can happen. Either ISK inflation goes down, do to the ISK faucets getting nerfed, there's more ISK sinks to take teh money out of the system, or more GTC sellers jump on the wagon to make oodles of ISK.
Solid Prefekt Minmatar Haven Front	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:25:00 - [69] Originally by: Ballistic CEO Im purely interested in: has CCPs bottom line changed or have the managed to produce enough extra income to cover lost accounts? You also have to factor in that some of the lost accounts are from people that were never giving CCP any money. They were using play money to effectively play the game for free.
Judge Ment Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:29:00 - [70] Originally by: Solid Prefekt Originally by: Ballistic CEO Im purely interested in: has CCPs bottom line changed or have the managed to produce enough extra income to cover lost accounts? You also have to factor in that some of the lost accounts are from people that were never giving CCP any money. They were using play money to effectively play the game for free. HUH ------------------------------------- We judge others by actions We judge ourselves by intentions.
iudex Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:35:00 - [71] It's a Seller's Market, a market which has more buyers than sellers. High prices result from this excess of demand over supply. In this situation higher GTC prices migh lead to even more accounts and more profit for CCP: The higher the price, the more isk will someone get, the more people will decide to buy isk for real cash through the GTC sale system. The more GTCs are offered, the more money does CCP make, and currently there won't be a GTC seller that can't sell his GTC. _________________________________________ Faction Standings: Serpentis +7.60 // Angel Cartel +7.31 // Minmatar Republic -8.56 // Gallente Federation -9.71
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:48:00 - [72] Originally by: Solid Prefekt You also have to factor in that some of the lost accounts are from people that were never giving CCP any money. They were using play money to effectively play the game for free. No. They were using play money to get someone else to pay the game for them. The game is never free.
Judge Ment Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:14:00 - [73] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Solid Prefekt You also have to factor in that some of the lost accounts are from people that were never giving CCP any money. They were using play money to effectively play the game for free. No. They were using play money to get someone else to pay the game for them. The game is never free. Actually the people loosing Carriers and Dreadnaughts were buying GTC Or people running multiple accounts. I would even go as far as some bigger Alliances needing more ISK then they could make in a day! So the rich man was king of the mountain Now that the GTC has doubled - People are saying SCREW YOU! Some will sell of their accounts as well.. (Good god - in more then one way) Can I have your stuff? ------------------------------------- We judge others by actions We judge ourselves by intentions.
DrefsabZN Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:33:00 - [74] Long story short people are buying the GTC's at the higher isk price, thats the reason seller's are pricing them at that ammount. When I sell a GTC I want to make as much is as I possibly can for it, and why not I payed real life money for the card so why shouldnt I get as much as I could. Its the same in eve, why sell a T1 Battleship for 50 mil to John when Joe will give you 150mil for it. Some people call it greedy, and perhaps they are right but at the end of the day when someone offers me 400mil for a 60 day why should I loose out on 100mil isk I would make if I waited a couple of mins for someone willing to pay 500mil. If I was sitting there all day with no one buying at all then I would lower my prices to get a sale. Its the same for a lot of GTC sellers. People sometimes forget that people only sell GTC's to make isk and they want to make the best isk in a reasonable (for them as some people can wait longer than others) amount of time.
Andemnon Kohort Minmatar Rukongai Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:50:00 - [75] Originally by: Judge Ment Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Solid Prefekt You also have to factor in that some of the lost accounts are from people that were never giving CCP any money. They were using play money to effectively play the game for free. No. They were using play money to get someone else to pay the game for them. The game is never free. Actually the people loosing Carriers and Dreadnaughts were buying GTC Or people running multiple accounts. I would even go as far as some bigger Alliances needing more ISK then they could make in a day! So the rich man was king of the mountain Now that the GTC has doubled - People are saying SCREW YOU! Some will sell of their accounts as well.. (Good god - in more then one way) Can I have your stuff? At the end of the day, the only real losers in the GTC trade, are the illegal isk/cash RMT traders, as long as people stick to using the legitimate means of buying isk - Through GTC sales etc then the RMT'ers will gradually disappear.... of course, if GTC's are so expensive that people can't buy them as easily then that in itself will drive the price down surely? regardless of demand.
Rugs Riches	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:59:00 - [76] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Yeah I know where you're coming from Crumplecorn. You're most likely thinking. How is it one subscription lost when they are using a GTC that was paid for with real money. Yes? Because there never has been a surplus of GTC's. EVER. It's like foxes and chickens maybe. One is needed for the other to exist. If one fox eats too many chickens, one of the other fox goes hungry and dies. Unless that fox switches its diet back to what it was before. can it get any better than this ??
Bai ZongTong Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:55:00 - [77] Edited by: Bai ZongTong on 30/09/2008 21:54:51 the economy is bad so real money is losing their value. hence the price increase of GTC in terms of isk. --- Bai ZongTong, responsible for all the lossmails in my corp.
Echo Falls Free Corp Liberty Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:20:00 - [78] I dropped 2 of my accounts after the 60 day change which made the prices go up. Still saves me 1bn isk per 60 days so not too bad .. I spend it on American Hard gums instead ..
Gimpb Sturmgrenadier Inc Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.10.01 01:52:00 - [79] Correct me if I'm wrong, but the GTC system was designed as a "lesser of two evils" way of combating real money trade. If they can get the risk and the cost of illegal isk to be higher than that of the cost of GTC isk then in theory the illegal isk market dies. Perhaps their recent successed made them think they have enough of an edge on the illegal isk market that they can raise the prices. So, if the GTC system is something they'd rather not actually have but is a tool to kill the illegal isk market, they'd want to limit GTC trading as much as they can without an illegal isk flare up. This is of course because being able to buy in game money for real money hurts the game experience. So as long as illegal isk remains unviable, raising the GTC price improves the game. It might cost them a couple subscriptions but an improvement in the gameplay would in theory lead to more customers.

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