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Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.09.26 22:44:00 - [1] Right. I have flied the caracal for PvP a bit. Its a flimsy ship at best, and works best in a gang. Seeing as I got the cruiser skill to level 4 and about the same gunnery skills as I got missiles skills I was going to test out the Moa for some small gang PvP (and maby some solo roaming once in a while) But I have low experiance in flying hybrid ships in PvP. Should i go for rails or blaster (neutron or ion/electron)? Range can be a great advantages with the bonues I get from it, so rails might be ok. Blasters on the other hand can give a good deal of damage at medium ranges. Any advice is welcome! :)
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.26 23:16:00 - [2] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 26/09/2008 23:18:31 Moa has some tried and true setups, yes, but tbh the ship has a huge potential for variation. It's too slow and unmaneuverable to keep up with other blaster boats so you'll probably want to focus on rails, but after that it's really up to you. The most conventional setup would be rails in the highs, shield tank in the mids, and tracking comps and/or damage mods in the lows. If you're in a gang, don't fit EWar on a Moa unless you're armor tanking, which is less effective than shield tanking on this ship of course, but still doable.
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.09.26 23:19:00 - [3] Thnaks for the tip :). I was thinking of going for rails and an mwd, that can work well for samll gangs as long as we got tackle. I never noticed the 15 m3 drons space on it before tho, thats a nifty feature, so I guess 3 x Warrior II is a good choise there.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.26 23:26:00 - [4] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 26/09/2008 23:26:29 Warrior II's are fine. They can help with anti-drone duty along with the T2 rocket or light assault launcher in your sixth high slot. edit: or smartbomb, although you wouldn't want your own drones orbiting around a close target in that case
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.09.27 08:45:00 - [5] Thanks. Some preliminary eft warrioring shows about 220 dps with blasters. Thats is respectable for a T1 cruiser. :) Think I am going to love the Moa more then my caracal for PvP.
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.09.27 09:04:00 - [6] How about this: [Moa, PvP] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Fleeting Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Regulated Ion Phase Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Regulated Ion Phase Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Regulated Ion Phase Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Regulated Ion Phase Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Regulated Ion Phase Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x3 It has 235 dps. But would a Damage COntrol instread of the Tracking link do better?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.09.27 11:31:00 - [7] The moa is a ship with what is lovingly known as 'Caldari Syndrome'. It cannot do everything, but it can do a couple of things well. I'd therefore suggest that you be looking to your moa as a gang suppor, rather than a solo Pvp machine. With blasters and a shield tank, it's very tough and does ... well, not really amazing DPS, but it's not too bad. (Your reference, the Thorax does something like 500dps). So if you're just going to be a thorax... buy a thorax. However, if you're going to run a shield tank, and _not_ tackle, it gets it's 350 or so DPS, along with 35k or so effective hitpoints (and 75 or so of passive regen). Which isn't sloppy, for a cruiser. The 'classic' though, where the moa does something nothing else can, is with Rails - 250mm rails, ideally T2 with spike. However it has to be said, that's pretty niche as fits go. Useful at times, but ... well, not in a small gang. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.09.27 12:05:00 - [8] ty for the tips. Rails is nice, but for roaming gangs something close range can benefit the gang more I think, sometimes at least. My gang usually have a blackbird along to provide some jamming, and some of us uses gallante cruisers(and one cap killing Amarr as well). I have used the caracal and gotten a few kills, but it dies to fast, and does nor provide very good dps.
Ceremony Garp Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.09.27 12:31:00 - [9] Slightly off-topic Sidus, but may be relevant. I used to fly a passive Gila in small gangs. Was a hoot.
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.27 13:01:00 - [10] 5x Blasters 1x Large Shield Extender t2 1x Invul t2 (drop for a web if you need it) 1x 10mn MWD 1x 20k Scram 3x Mag Stab 1x Damage Control Shield resist rigs if you reeeally feel like it. I've had success with an AC moa as well, but blasters work too. You won't be the greatest, but you will be certainly passable with a good shield buffer/resists *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Jhagiti Tyran Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.09.27 16:48:00 - [11] Originally by: James Lyrus So if you're just going to be a thorax... buy a thorax. QFT, It is never going to be a better blaster boat than the rax but you can fit it to play to its strengths without being a no tank long range sniper. This fits probably not the best fit in the world but it is an improvement on the Caracal at scram range combat. 5x Dual 150mm railgun II with faction thorium 10MN MWD II 24km point Invul field II LSE II 3x MFS II DCU II 3x Warrior IIs Exceeds a Caracals DPS at scram range with around 24k EHP, again probably not the best fit but it does give instant damage and has a modest buffer, surprisingly it also goes about the same speed as a plated Thorax.
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.27 18:10:00 - [12] Thorax can do upwards of 600 DPS, moa around 450. Properly setup Moa will **** a thorax any day of the week. But with lower skill points, neither the thorax or Moa are very good. How to Fail at Eve
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.09.27 18:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Rajere Thorax can do upwards of 600 DPS, moa around 450. Properly setup Moa will **** a thorax any day of the week. But with lower skill points, neither the thorax or Moa are very good. /QFT --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.09.28 11:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Hugh Ruka Originally by: Rajere Thorax can do upwards of 600 DPS, moa around 450. Properly setup Moa will **** a thorax any day of the week. But with lower skill points, neither the thorax or Moa are very good. /QFT Sounds good that, care to enlighten me how to fit it then ? :)
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.28 11:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Hugh Ruka Originally by: Rajere Thorax can do upwards of 600 DPS, moa around 450. Properly setup Moa will **** a thorax any day of the week. But with lower skill points, neither the thorax or Moa are very good. /QFT Sounds good that, care to enlighten me how to fit it then ? :) yes, inquiring minds want to know if it has so much less dps how does it shine? i normally think if the cruiser goliaths as the ruppie/throrax/arbi but never considered the moa
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:00:00 - [16] Blasters deal decent damage. Get som blasters on, some damage mods, a bit of tank and test it out.
Lubomir Penev Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Rajere Properly setup Moa will **** a thorax any day of the week. I'd take the Rax 1vs1 for the 5 EC-600...
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Hugh Ruka Originally by: Rajere Thorax can do upwards of 600 DPS, moa around 450. Properly setup Moa will **** a thorax any day of the week. But with lower skill points, neither the thorax or Moa are very good. /QFT Sounds good that, care to enlighten me how to fit it then ? :) yes, inquiring minds want to know if it has so much less dps how does it shine? i normally think if the cruiser goliaths as the ruppie/throrax/arbi but never considered the moa you have a range advantage, use it ... ions + null have about 12km (optimal+falloff), the DPS is 3/4 of the thorax, but you get about 30k EHP on top.
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:01:00 - [19] The only PvP Moa. 5x Electron Blaster II Heavy Missile/Heavy assault Missile Launcher/Medium smartbomb 10MN Microwarp Drive Warp Disruptor II Webifier II Large Shield Extender II 3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control Unit II 3x Hobgoblin II Rigs: Anti-EM Anti-Thermal Anti-Kinetic Anyone telling you to cross train gallente for blaster boats has no experience with caldari blaster ships. EFT Dps isn't everything - you can outrange and get better quality hits with a Moa in web range than a Thorax. Thorax will have plates on - which slow it down and make it less agile - the Moa is competetive. Rigs - unlike the Thorax - Moa's rigs are dirt cheap (2-3 million a pop) - and work quite nicely with your ship's tanking bonus. Your goal in this setup is to be tough enough to maintain the tackle for your friends with more dps. Thorax's biggest advantage over you is drones. Either fit medium smart bomb to kill ecm drones - or use your drones to kill his drones. Its a great ship - and when you get in BS sized blaster boats - you'll really enjoy that range advantage. Gallente pilots have to get in close and practically smashed up in the process of getting into range. A Caldari blaster boat - takes the beating, and doesn't even have to get in as close (the situation is magnified with NULL ammo). Caldari blaster boats - one of the most underrated pvp ship styles in game. Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:26:00 - [20] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 30/09/2008 14:48:16 Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 30/09/2008 14:45:58 Omarvelous: Cool setup. What ammo do you usually take out? Antimatter? But what about the cap? its not to kind of the cap, and you run out after an engagement if you leave all the stuff on ;) EDIT: I was playing EFT warrior a bit and this came out with marginally better dps: [Moa, PvP Ions] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I Large Shield Extender II Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x3 So I guess it is a matter of preference, even the the rockets have shorter range. (Standards fit but it has 2 dps less :P, tho greater range.)
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 30/09/2008 14:48:16 Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 30/09/2008 14:45:58 Omarvelous: Cool setup. What ammo do you usually take out? Antimatter? But what about the cap? its not to kind of the cap, and you run out after an engagement if you leave all the stuff on ;) EDIT: I was playing EFT warrior a bit and this came out with marginally better dps: [Moa, PvP Ions] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I Large Shield Extender II Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x3 So I guess it is a matter of preference, even the the rockets have shorter range. (Standards fit but it has 2 dps less :P, tho greater range.) Cap is pretty irrelevant for the types of fights you'll be bringing your moa to. Either the BS will have a heavy neut and drop your cap to zero anyways (better hope for some support ewar to save you from that). Or the fight will be over before your cap runs out. Remember - you're only running the MWD to get to your blaster's optimal. Speaking of MWD - your setup is using a 1MN MWD - baaaad! You need 10MN MWD - there is no way to use ions and a large shield extender and a MWD on a moa without gimping your dps with fitting mods. When you can fly an Eagle, or a Ferox - those ships can use ions (I fit my Eagle to use neutrons - not for dps but for range) and still have a decent buffer tank. If cap is really bothering you - fit a small tech 2 nos. It pulses fast enough to let you at least keep your point and web on target should you get nuked.
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:45:00 - [22] Oh! I notice the wrong MWD now Hehe :P Thanks for your input tho :) Appreciate it!
MukkBarovian	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:24:00 - [23] [Moa, speed] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Dual 150mm Compressed Coil Gun I Dual 150mm Compressed Coil Gun I Dual 150mm Compressed Coil Gun I Dual 150mm Compressed Coil Gun I 'Malkuth' Heavy Missile Launcher I 'Malkuth' Heavy Missile Launcher I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x3 Threw together this build and taught my friend to nano with it. Its pretty good for a t1 cruiser. Last one he lost to gate guns after holding point on a fleeing huggin for a cerb to finish killing. He tried to loot the domination web and failed. http://www.eve-syndicate.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9864
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:12:00 - [24] Edited by: Bronson Hughes on 30/09/2008 21:13:10 If you have to fly a blaster Moa, it can be a decent ship. The Moa's range bonus works nicely with Null, you have the nice resist bonus to help out your buffer tank, and you have a utility high slot to use for missiles or a smartbomb to kill off hostile drones. It makes a very nice heavy tackler especially if you ignore DPS for EHP; I can top 20k EHP on a tackle-Moa without breaking a sweat and still have decent DPS with T2 Ions. However, it's probably not as good of a solo ship as a Thorax because it will never match the Thorax's ability to dispatch your target quickly. 'Tanking with your guns' when solo-ing is a good thing with baitships, blobs, and general nastiness always lurking about. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Poast Warrior Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Sounds good that, care to enlighten me how to fit it then ? :) [Moa] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Originally by: Kiay Stryx Your an idiot.
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:34:00 - [26] The Electron Blaster seems to be the one I wil go fro, made a T1 version and tested it out against my corpies. Gonna get a T2 version together soon :)
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.10.02 11:19:00 - [27] The Electron MOA os ok. Rails give better range tho.
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.02 11:30:00 - [28] Quote: [Moa] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I This works, use best cap use point/web, can even switch PDS for CPR. or use ion's with small nos. Cap use is a very big deal, don't let eft convince you otherwise. You never start fights at 100% cap, and after a pulse or 2 of MWD to get into range, if EFT says 5min cap, you only have 1.5-2min. If it says 2min, you're capping out and losing point before your gang gets into warp. How to Fail at Eve
Aviane	Posted - 2008.10.02 11:46:00 - [29] Neutron Thorax: 5x Heavy Neutron Blaster II w/Antimatter Scram, web, mwd 3x MFS II, DCU & RC I/II. 5x Hammerhead II 640 DPS. 2,3km OP. Just a suggestion. Cheap fun glass cannon to train for.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.10.02 11:48:00 - [30] Originally by: Aviane Neutron Thorax: 5x Heavy Neutron Blaster II w/Antimatter Scram, web, mwd 3x MFS II, DCU & RC I/II. 5x Hammerhead II 640 DPS. 2,3km OP. Just a suggestion. Cheap fun glass cannon to train for. True that, but I need even more skills to get decent gallante cruiser skills. Tho I guess once you have the Hybrid skills teh cruiser skills are not that big a diffenerce.

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