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MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.09.28 11:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Strill Edited by: Strill on 28/09/2008 11:46:31 Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 28/09/2008 11:43:04 Unfortunately every time CCP support one size of blobs you monkeys bring even more people to the fight. Tell your commanders not to fight in blobs. They should know by now what happens when they bring too many people. Either they should have worked out how to avoid it or else (more likely in my experience) it's deliberate. Your commanders probably don't care about their foot soldiers and consider a node crash to be a reasonable strategy that solves their greater purpose. Shame to see you leave but you'll probably be back. Eve is like that. The purpose is to win. If you're the defender, then node crashing is a great way to defend yourself. If you're the attacker you can't afford to bring fewer ships than the defender or else you'll just lose outright from having a weaker force. So the only conclusion is for both sides to bring as many ships as you can, which causes node crashes. So, how do you suggest they avoid this situation? I hate the idea but some sort of sig reducion based on the number of ships locked on to a ship at the same time and larger sig radius based on the number of ships your locking on to might be the only way...
Rifter Drifter Minmatar Greatly Reducing Inflation Every Fight	Posted - 2008.09.28 11:57:00 - [32] Keep Your Stuff, I Dont Want It
Strill	Posted - 2008.09.28 12:01:00 - [33] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Strill Edited by: Strill on 28/09/2008 11:46:31 Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 28/09/2008 11:43:04 Unfortunately every time CCP support one size of blobs you monkeys bring even more people to the fight. Tell your commanders not to fight in blobs. They should know by now what happens when they bring too many people. Either they should have worked out how to avoid it or else (more likely in my experience) it's deliberate. Your commanders probably don't care about their foot soldiers and consider a node crash to be a reasonable strategy that solves their greater purpose. Shame to see you leave but you'll probably be back. Eve is like that. The purpose is to win. If you're the defender, then node crashing is a great way to defend yourself. If you're the attacker you can't afford to bring fewer ships than the defender or else you'll just lose outright from having a weaker force. So the only conclusion is for both sides to bring as many ships as you can, which causes node crashes. So, how do you suggest they avoid this situation? I hate the idea but some sort of sig reducion based on the number of ships locked on to a ship at the same time and larger sig radius based on the number of ships your locking on to might be the only way... If it only becomes noticable with a large number of ships it won't change anything. You'd just have several fleet commanders each calling their own primaries. If it becomes noticable with a relatively small number of ships then it might have something going for it since a large group of ships wouldn't be able to fight at full strength against a small number of ships.
Garott	Posted - 2008.09.28 12:02:00 - [34] CCP wants to get rid of the older players anyway so there will be less resistance to their LOLLETSGETREADYFOREMOVAMPIRES changes.
Chris Liath Gallente Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2008.09.28 12:05:00 - [35] Stuff. Give it here. "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.09.28 12:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Garott CCP wants to get rid of the older players anyway so there will be less resistance to their LOLLETSGETREADYFOREMOVAMPIRES changes. eah what they aren't telling us is the vampire mmorpg is the same as eve, it's all going to be one big game! and the whitewolf game will have perma-death so it'll be interesting to see how that works out :P
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.09.28 12:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Hungo Hi I was and always have been a member of the GBC Erm ... "Member of Pilots Of Honour" for 1 day. ;-) "Inactive account at this point due to rl issues" in the bio. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.28 12:14:00 - [38] Max Campaign for maximum Node Crashes. As a member of the GBC you should learn to enjoy it.
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.09.28 12:17:00 - [39] Op why dont you try doing some other stuff in eve then fighting in systems with 800 ppl in it. Pirating provides amny very small gang battles which are good fun, but also midsized battles have been pretty lagfree lately. Even if you wonna stay in gbc there are ways to help the cause but avoid the blobs, just gotta be creative and work independent - Boosters and PirateProfessions
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2008.09.28 12:36:00 - [40] 5 year guy here, ive just cut out large fleet and POS fights a year or so ago and now i have fun again. shame you have to leave as you obviously like the fleet stuff, and that wont be getting any better for a good while. keep you stuff, you might need it when you read that gamer mag in X years from now the headline of which reads "ccp's eve-online breaks new records for lagless single server mmorpg"
Valan The Fated	Posted - 2008.09.28 13:12:00 - [41] Isn't this the second I quit post from you? I find it difficult to believe that a 5 yr player quits due to lag. 5 yrs ago well before the GBC existed it used to take an age to load at a JIP. You used to be back in station before the screen loaded. The GBC will have to adapt like everyone else to the new system load changes and I'm sure they will and prove to be just as effective. I agree from the point of view EVE is now a secondary concern to CCP while they concentrate on the new game. But thats business. If they get the balance wrong people will quit EVE and they'll struggle to finance other projects. So I guess they'll try and get the balance right. I mean if they fail we don't play a game anymore. CCP employees lose their jobs, they were on the ropes when they produced EVE I'm pretty sure they don't want to go there again. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Havohej Minmatar Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.28 13:31:00 - [42] Originally by: Mankirks Wife Originally by: Garott CCP wants to get rid of the older players anyway so there will be less resistance to their LOLLETSGETREADYFOREMOVAMPIRES changes. I, for one, welcome our new vampire overlords. /signed. I still look back on my V:tM days with very fond memories, and while the previous White Wolf video games were entertaining, it's impossible to capture the essence of a WoD game in that sort of platform. I hope that the MMO manages to be as open-ended as EVE is, and as cold and harsh as EVE used to be... otherwise, it just won't measure up. And tbh, if there was a decent WoD troupe in my area, I probably wouldn't even be paying to play EVE at all. /me contemplates trying to find a decent MUD based on the old WoD... Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Popperr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.28 13:33:00 - [43] Quitting is for quitters, no one will miss you la~
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.09.28 13:53:00 - [44] Edited by: Andrue on 28/09/2008 13:54:23 Originally by: Strill Edited by: Strill on 28/09/2008 11:46:31 Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 28/09/2008 11:43:04 Unfortunately every time CCP support one size of blobs you monkeys bring even more people to the fight. Tell your commanders not to fight in blobs. They should know by now what happens when they bring too many people. Either they should have worked out how to avoid it or else (more likely in my experience) it's deliberate. Your commanders probably don't care about their foot soldiers and consider a node crash to be a reasonable strategy that solves their greater purpose. Shame to see you leave but you'll probably be back. Eve is like that. The purpose is to win. Actually I thought the point of Eve was to have fun. Quote: So the only conclusion is for both sides to bring as many ships as you can, which causes node crashes. Which from the sound of it was exactly what was achieved by both sides. Congratulations Quote: So, how do you suggest they avoid this situation? Refuse to take part. Tell your commanders to take their blobs and shove them where the sun don't shine. There's plenty of other things to do in Eve and even quite a few ways to enjoy the fun of PvP without getting all blobbed up. Alternatively you can come on to the forums, publicly throw your toys out of the pram and storm off in a huff. The we-must-win-at-all-costs crap is exactly why I left 0.0 a couple of years ago. It was clear that a handful of egotistical dictators had no interest in the fun of day to day gaming and were only interested in the larger game. The fact that the rest of you have put up with being pawns in their fun for so long amazes and saddens me. If you want fun and aren't getting it - tell your leaders. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
linux4ever n0thing Inc. Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:05:00 - [45] Edited by: linux4ever on 28/09/2008 14:05:31 whats gbc? also stop asking him for his stuff i already have it

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Eemaavi Amarr	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:21:00 - [47] Edited by: Eemaavi on 28/09/2008 14:24:26 This is nothing new, were you expecting something diffrent in 400 vs 400 fleet fights? Or was this a "lets put stacklessIO to the test."? Until you all modify YOUR behavior and strategy (since the systems is not readily modifable) the out come will always be the same. (Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is the hallmark of a crazy person I hear) As others have said if you don't demand better from your leaders who are "ordering" you to into this mess then you get what you get. you really onl;y have yourself to blame. 0.0 can be fun and profitable but is it really worth the aggravation? (I made that decision awhile ago...No its not I'll be my own pawn thank you) Oh the obligatory "CIHYS?" Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Eemaavi Or was this a "lets put stacklessIO to the test."? I don't think StacklessIO is actually 'live' yet, genius. ----------
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:34:00 - [49] sounds like bob can no longer get that advantage of for some reason never lagging anymore. sad that it only took 5 years to change this. also to poster 3 or 4, he was forced to play the fleet battle, he's gbc. Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:38:00 - [50] Edited by: Pan Crastus on 28/09/2008 14:38:47 Originally by: Eemaavi Edited by: Eemaavi on 28/09/2008 14:24:26 This is nothing new, were you expecting something diffrent in 400 vs 400 fleet fights? Or was this a "lets put stacklessIO to the test."? Until you all modify YOUR behavior and strategy (since the systems is not readily modifable) the out come will always be the same. (Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is the hallmark of a crazy person I hear) Fortunately, the number of people who do not understand how EVE works (esp. 0.0 warfare) and consequently keep posting dumb things like "if you fix 200v200 then people will bring 400v400" or the above, is getting smaller all the time. I'll be patient and write clearly what the problem is with your post: - The design of EVE leads naturally to big fleet fights because the more people you have on your side, the fewer losses you will likely have (ships/territory) - this is especially true when you attack cyno jammed systems, i.e. deathstar POSes, possibly defended by capitals and multiple Titans, with Battleships. If you bring 20 ships, you have no chance. If you bring 50, you will lose many. If you bring 200, you will probably not lose much because the enemy will hesitate to warp in at all. The solution isn't to play EVE in a way that generally achieves worse results unless you take it for granted that everyone will lag equally and to an extent that makes the game mostly unplayable by normal rules. If you bring fewer people than you could and the system surprisingly doesn't lag too much, your enemy will be at an advantage again. So, with the current design of EVE, smart people will always blob because it's the winning tactic. Lag and its consequences are too unpredictable to take into account. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
linux4ever n0thing Inc. Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:39:00 - [51] Originally by: linux4ever Edited by: linux4ever on 28/09/2008 14:05:31 whats gbc? also stop asking him for his stuff i already have it
Ervol Libra Amarr Invenio Inceptum	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Franga Originally by: Eemaavi Or was this a "lets put stacklessIO to the test."? I don't think StacklessIO is actually 'live' yet, genius. It was live yesterday when the nodes crashed in MSHD and M-O. Go read the topics in CAOD about it dev's explain what they did there
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:42:00 - [53] Originally by: Ervol Libra Go read the topics in CAOD about it Ahhh, never. That forum is a horrible waste of time. ----------
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:43:00 - [54] Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki Me wonders if there will ever be a leader to step up and split his forces into several smaller gangs, striking at several key locations and so forcing the enemy to do the same. I wonder if this is a viable tactic at all and if one of the middle to big sized alliances ever tried it yet no, doubt it but we did do something similar to this in the FW a few times, and tbh, it DID work, we had a system locked down for an hour, killed anything that came through, and if a huge force jumped through, we all just converged on them at once, plain, simple Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:50:00 - [55] If I quit, I'll just give my hundreds of billions to some newb and never make a forum post about it. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:59:00 - [56] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 28/09/2008 11:31:51 no longer fight as you once did? just because of a bad lag week? I understand your feeling though, maybe come back once they slove it? in other words don't pay CCP anymore untill they fix what you want fixed. Quote: So, I would give it a month or so for them to iron out the new layer and tweak it for full potential. It's a 1st step, and does far more good than I was expecting, but it's still going to take at least another year before they get everything else right. to be honest though that new level of the network is borderling flawless, which while is only one part of the puzzle, is still awesome. god the emo fanboi rage im detecting coming from your direction...its enough to make a man want to throw up. CCP is not infallible, once you get this thru your thick head you'll see where we're coming from with out disappointment. _____________________ Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
Evil Fluffy	Posted - 2008.09.28 15:32:00 - [57] Originally by: MotherMoon you should pull a jenny and give your character to a random noob you find :) Except Jenny never did that, or the newb just happened to act just like Jenny. OP, if you don't like the node issues, how about not blobbing? I hear there's a part of EVE that exists beyond massive blobs, and is apparently fun.
Sneeze100	Posted - 2008.09.28 16:54:00 - [58] who cares if he is leaving if he wants to moan and ***** about you should ring trisha or jeramy kyle and someone just someone might care about your little strop
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.09.28 17:20:00 - [59] Show me the game that handles 400 players vs 400 players, battles where each combatting unit can do alot of different atttacks as well as maneuvering and launching drones.
Aclyn Seriy Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.09.28 17:26:00 - [60] I thought Pilots of Honour closed down ages ago?? Is Insuperable still there?? Originally by: techzer0 I'm the failboat captain

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