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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:54:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Takoten Yaken wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:gfldex wrote:Dirk Space wrote:War decs were implemented for a reason. That reason no longer exists. Last time I check CONCORD was still there. Last time I checked suicide ganking of hapless noobs, miners and the whatever was still in place without no need for harmful unescapable wardecs. And It took years until suicide ganking ships as much as lose their insurance payback... lookin forward to deccing you nonstop Tried to tell you Inda, squawking birds tends to get noticed.
I seriously hope they wardec me all the way until 2013. 
EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec.
CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Dirk Space
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:54:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Dirk Space wrote:There is something that I have that you seem not to posess and that is the ability to see other peoples point of view. I do very well see other peoples point of view but I don't feel bound to have to agree. Esp. in a computer game. It's sad to see that you retreat to insults when you are out of arguments.
Awfully sorry to have to ask but could you please bold the insult? |
Takoten Yaken
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:56:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I seriously hope they wardec me all the way until 2013.
okey dokey |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
168
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:56:00 -
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Dirk Space wrote:
It is obvious you enjoy utilising the war dec system in eve. I am sure it empowers you by forcing your will on other people so that you can dictate your gameplay style on others who are unable to match your 'prowess' in pvp.
It may suprise you to hear that I have never been war decced. I have never had to hide away because of the big bad bullies picking on me.
There is something that I have that you seem not to posess and that is the ability to see other peoples point of view.
Try looking at the picture as a whole, a bit of blue sky thinking, and see where war decs actually play a part.
1st sentence always contradicts everything else a user ever says. I always hear that we are forcing our will on others and we are forcing our playstyle on others, and then it is always followed up by "This is how it should be....".
I'll answer your question though. Wardec's play the part of giving me the ability to go after wartargets in high sec that I am paid to go after. This is how it is for me and this is my viewpoint of it.
If you remove decs without removing high sec entirely then the gates goinginto low will become the choke point. Corporations in Low/null can run neutral groups in high with no worries, and they can get their good down to low as long as they control the gate. If you think that blobs are bad now, wait until you see that.
Not to mention that my particular job will go away, and your way of playing will have been successfully enforced on me. |
Takoten Yaken
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:58:00 -
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Dirk Space wrote:
Threats, in my game?
gonna gank you too |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
395
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:00:00 -
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Takoten Yaken wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I seriously hope they wardec me all the way until 2013. okey dokey
Need the name of the corp, or you can find it on your own?
EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec.
CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Avila Cracko
277
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:00:00 -
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I said what i thought about this all changes - its **** with intention to destroy game to little person and make it quit the game.
Now i will talk about one small part of that ****.
To war dec small corp that cant defend itself you pay nothing (20 mill is nothing today, maybe it was nice money in 2003, but that time is passed)
And then you have to pay many many hundreds of millions (if not billions) to attack someone who can defend itself very well.
So if you are a wuss and attacking people without any chance of loss you are rewarded by not paying almost nothing
And if you have balls and what to attack people that will kick your ass in the war but you maybe can win one or two battles CCP says that you cant ($$$$$$$$$$).
Don't you see problem in the thought here???
Why the hell is 100% risk free (wuss attack) murder is rewarded
and if you have balls and attack someone knowing you will be 100% sure killed (but trying to fight for something that means to you) you can't?????
Isn't it meant to be opposite???
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
168
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:02:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:Takoten Yaken wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Last time I checked suicide ganking of hapless noobs, miners and the whatever was still in place without no need for harmful unescapable wardecs. And It took years until suicide ganking ships as much as lose their insurance payback...
lookin forward to deccing you nonstop Tried to tell you Inda, squawking birds tends to get noticed. I seriously hope they wardec me all the way until 2013.
I know, your main, Ishtanchuk Fazmarai, will just drop to a npc corp and keep on running missions. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
153
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:03:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Yes, and they all are hoping to be able to wardec hapless non-PvPrs in this dreadful game when killing the innocent has got awful consequences such as:
Stop it already. You are off-topic, non-constructive and extremely bigoted.
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gfldex
426
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:04:00 -
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Keras Authion wrote:And finally risk-free griefing. Let's say I have a second account with a suitably skilled character in a one-man corp. I can dec another corp, say the small corp of friends up there, a 10 man industrial, for 25 million per week. I just need to stay docked and type a few lines in the local every now and then to force the other corp to stay docked. I effectively make it impossible for them to play without it affecting my main's ability to function. I'm sure the 10 people appreciate paying sub for staying docked. Now eventually they will start doing whatever they usually do when I take no action and I can go get their juicy stuffs with a small investment of 50 million or so.
The small corp got 3 options:
- ignore you
- join an alliance to increase your war free to a few billion
- move all members to a new corp
- stay in NPC corps and move production assets to an alt corp
If you are able to play on an alt, so are they.
Nobody can force a war onto a player.
Goons are the 3%. |
Dirk Space
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:07:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Keras Authion wrote:And finally risk-free griefing. Let's say I have a second account with a suitably skilled character in a one-man corp. I can dec another corp, say the small corp of friends up there, a 10 man industrial, for 25 million per week. I just need to stay docked and type a few lines in the local every now and then to force the other corp to stay docked. I effectively make it impossible for them to play without it affecting my main's ability to function. I'm sure the 10 people appreciate paying sub for staying docked. Now eventually they will start doing whatever they usually do when I take no action and I can go get their juicy stuffs with a small investment of 50 million or so. The small corp got 3 options: - ignore you - join an alliance to increase your war free to a few billion - move all members to a new corp - stay in NPC corps and move production assets to an alt corp If you are able to play on an alt, so are they. Nobody can force a war onto a player.
But the question remains, why are you war deccing that corp (player)?
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Dirk Space
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:07:00 -
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I am sure I can answer that question... |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Tactical Narcotics Team
116
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:08:00 -
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800m pr week to wardec a 1500 man alliance?
70m to wardec a 100 man corporation?
I would start out cautiously with 200k pr player on top of the standard fee and:
1/ give griefers an increase in cost against much smaller corps
2/ give underdogs a reduction in cost against much bigger corps
That way smaller entities cannot hide behind having their 10 alts, dog, mom and kitchen sink enlisted in their corporation and smaller corporations are not forced out of battling larger enemies simply because they cannot even afford the first week.
Pinky |
Takoten Yaken
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:08:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:Takoten Yaken wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Last time I checked suicide ganking of hapless noobs, miners and the whatever was still in place without no need for harmful unescapable wardecs. And It took years until suicide ganking ships as much as lose their insurance payback...
lookin forward to deccing you nonstop Tried to tell you Inda, squawking birds tends to get noticed. I seriously hope they wardec me all the way until 2013. I know, your main, Ishtanchuk Fazmarai, will just drop to a npc corp and keep on running missions.
theres no way we could gank that!!! |
Avila Cracko
277
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:09:00 -
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Dirk Space wrote:gfldex wrote:Keras Authion wrote:And finally risk-free griefing. Let's say I have a second account with a suitably skilled character in a one-man corp. I can dec another corp, say the small corp of friends up there, a 10 man industrial, for 25 million per week. I just need to stay docked and type a few lines in the local every now and then to force the other corp to stay docked. I effectively make it impossible for them to play without it affecting my main's ability to function. I'm sure the 10 people appreciate paying sub for staying docked. Now eventually they will start doing whatever they usually do when I take no action and I can go get their juicy stuffs with a small investment of 50 million or so. The small corp got 3 options: - ignore you - join an alliance to increase your war free to a few billion - move all members to a new corp - stay in NPC corps and move production assets to an alt corp If you are able to play on an alt, so are they. Nobody can force a war onto a player. But the question remains, why are you war deccing that corp (player)?
In 99% of the cases its because you know that they/he cant defend itself, because you want to ruin his game because he is not playing it the way the way you want it to.
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Dirk Space
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:12:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:
In 99% of the cases corp/person is war deced because you know that they/he cant defend itself, because you want to ruin his game because he is not playing it the way the way you want it to.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
395
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:13:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Yes, and they all are hoping to be able to wardec hapless non-PvPrs in this dreadful game when killing the innocent has got awful consequences such as:
Stop it already. You are off-topic, non-constructive and extremely bigoted.
I'm pretty on topic. CCP says they want to change wardecs in a way that enables yet another path for risk-free griefing, and I explain why i think it's a horrible idea.
You want a constructive comment? Allow non-mutual wars to expire after a week no matter what the agressor does. This way people who want PvP can have it and people who does not want PvP can avoid wars without hassle.
Then everybody is free to choose and so everybody is happy with how he uses his subsciption money.
EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec.
CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Dirk Space
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:13:00 -
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I bolded for emphasis. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
154
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:15:00 -
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Dirk Space wrote:I am sure I can answer that question...
Hmm, everyone has their reasons.
I, for example, would do it for extortion - to spare me making money via the mind-numbing soul-killing PvE.
Is there anything wrong (in-game) with this?
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gfldex
426
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:19:00 -
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Dirk Space wrote:Awfully sorry to have to ask but could you please bold the insult?
You basicly told me that I'm an ******* who wants to bully ppl around. You found nice wording for that but that wont change anything.
So here my story.
I play the game since 2004 pretty much none stop. I was mostly in big alliances and as such had to deal with wardecs by "griefer corps". They never really managed to grief me because a) I know what a scout is b) their ships explode too.
I indeed declared 3 wars myself. One time against a corp that had a member asking me for a fair fight in lowsec. That wasn't as fair as he made it look like. He lost his Ferox to station guns while my little Thorax made it out. But a lie is a lie. The 2nd war was against some folk that where roaming lowsec, got their ships destroyed by 2 friends of mine and I. They utilised local chat in a rather unfriendly manner after they docked their pods. War went active 48h later and we had one fight. It wasn't really fair even that they outnumbered us 3 to 1 but I don't like it to call for GMs just because somebody doesn't know when not to use local chat.
The 3rd war was against RA who moved operations from 0.0 to empire because pressure against their ratters became to heavy. Sorry, but I wont let a bleeding russian get away.
As you can see I had very good reason to start those wars. And I know very well what it means to have "griefers" against me. So, what's your war stories?
Goons are the 3%. |
gfldex
426
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:33:00 -
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Dirk Space wrote:
But the question remains, why are you war deccing that corp (player)?
There are many reason.
- I could be hired (well, it's not really profitable but this is a game) to drive them out of the mining business by a competitor. That actually used to happen before we got the decshield-nonsense.
- Or I was offering them a deal to buy their minerals and they didn't take it. Guns can drive prices down.
- One of their members used local chat in a unappropriate manner. (read: they are as polite as you are)
- I intend to loot their wracks without using a suicide alt. (not really profitable, again)
- As I build ships (I really do) I have an incentive to drive mineral prices up. Arguably there is no reason to do that right now but that might change.
- They are actually one guy with 22 accounts (read: a botter).
- I have pity with some of their newer members who will just quit the game 2 month later out of boredom.
I would like to elaborate on the last point. The corp that got a wardec because of the Ferox pilot I met about 1 year later when I was with Veritas Imortales. They had actually joined that alliance a few weeks after we (at that time Dark-Rising) had out little war because they tasted blood. IIRC only 2 of their members choose to stay in highsec. One of them got a steam computer and PvP simply didn't work for him. The other one was in his 80s and had problem with his blood pressure (that's what he told me). It was a big hello on TS when they spotted me. I am their hero because I saved their souls (slight exaggeration).
Goons are the 3%. |
Dirk Space
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:34:00 -
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I have no war stories, it's not how I play this game.
If someone has a problem with me, I talk to them and make sure I understand why they feel that way then come to a mutually acceptable solution.
Having a mechanic in game that allows people to destroy the enjoyment of others, on a whim, and that is all war decs are, should be removed.
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Sinooko
Viking Tech Industries
22
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:40:00 -
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Well this sucks.
There goes casual corps.
Heads up Eve Uni.
Lowsec will probably be safer than highsec for new small corps now.
Congrats goons and all other greifers, dinner is served!
Long Live Eve Online! |
RC Denton
Wages Of Sin
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:43:00 -
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I've always thought that the financial side of PVP was undervalued. In this case corp A can wardec corp B by paying a bribe to CONCORD. Corp B should have the option to pay a higher bribe to invalidate the war. The two sides should be able to keep bidding until one gives up and either there is a war, or not. That way corps who deal more with the financial side of EVE rather than the combat side of EVE have parity with the combat corps.
Yes there's the mercenary option, but that mechanic is not very well defined.
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:45:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:"Once youGÇÖre an ally, youGÇÖre committed to the war until it ends."
I don't think this is a good design.
In fact you're not allies, sharing a common goal, you are a contractor, a hired mercenary.
Such contracts should have a term. At the end of the term, both parties choose to continue or not the contract.
Some more thoughts on the subject.
My understanding is that this mechanisms is targeted at the mercenary profession. In my opinion (actual mercenaries may confirm or deny), the mercenary corps are agnostic about the goals of the corporation that hires them - they are after the money and the PvP - and that's it. Hence, I assume it wouldn't be acceptable for them to be dragged in a long, boring war that would potentially prevent them from taking other, possibly more profitable and/or interesting contracts. The lack of commitment is the natural modus operandi of the mercenaries. Hence, they should have the option to exit a continuing war.
On the other hand, mercenaries should have incentive to actually perform their duties. This could be achieved by matching the payment with the results in the War Report, in a flexible manner, with several methods of doing so, for example:
a) a single payment of XXX million ISK at the end of contract
b) XXX ISK at the beginning of contract, YYY at end of contract
c) XXX ISK upon inflicting YYY billion ISK damage
etc.
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Takoten Yaken
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:46:00 -
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Dirk Space wrote:I have no war stories, it's not how I play this game.
If someone has a problem with me, I talk to them and make sure I understand why they feel that way then come to a mutually acceptable solution.
Having a mechanic in game that allows people to destroy the enjoyment of others, on a whim, and that is all war decs are, should be removed.
i have a problem with your opinion on wardecs
please talk to me and find me a mutually acceptable solution that allows me to butcher you like swine |
Celebris Nexterra
Lowsec Static
42
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:46:00 -
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Ok I just typed out a long reply to this thread, and when I clicked post I got an error saying I had a previously saved draft for this thread... where the hell do I find that draft? |
Avila Cracko
278
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:51:00 -
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Celebris Nexterra wrote:Ok I just typed out a long reply to this thread, and when I clicked post I got an error saying I had a previously saved draft for this thread... where the hell do I find that draft?
When you go to reply you have last saved draft at the bottom, but i think its overwritten when you wrote that post.
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Purple Madness
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:54:00 -
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1) What stops people from putting the 2 alt characters on each of their active accounts into their corp to boost wardec cost?
2) What stops spammed buddy trials/other trial offers from spamming characters to boost wardec cost? |
gfldex
426
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:54:00 -
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Dirk Space wrote:Having a mechanic in game that allows people to destroy the enjoyment of others, on a whim, and that is all war decs are, should be removed.
Why? That's the problem with your reasoning. You make false statements (you can very well avoid wars simply by staying in NPC corps) and you don't provide any arguments to show that your demands have any justification beyond: "But but but I DONT LIKE IT!!!".
How exactly do you think are the devs going to pay any attention to that?
The reason why so many "grief-wars" happen is a broken game mechanics. The only parties that don't avoid wars right now by utilising decshields are the Three-RL-friends-with-less-then-2MSP-corps. I do not envy them. Anybody else is hiding under a dec shield. Yet I believe we can go back to meaningful wars by going back to a time where wars where working. If targets that have the SP to fight back are available many of those "grief-wars" will vanish. It's simply no fun to declare a war against corps that wont undock. If you force players to declare war on corps that don't got the knowledge to use a decshield you get exactly that.
In EVE whining backfires.
Goons are the 3%. |
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