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Severian Carnifex
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:30:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:Dear hi-sec industrialists, miners, mission/incursion runners, traders, etc.
You are not supposed to leave yourself defenseless in this game. Hire someone to protect you. Train some combat skills. Get combat pilots in your corps. Learn to defend yourself.
If you (PVP-er) train all my skills, I (Industry, Miner) will train all your skills.
Deal???
I didn't think so. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:35:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec.
http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/01.jpg
Just saying. |
sadfer rizon
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:36:00 -
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Right, so it's come down to this again eh?
Guess I'll have to switch my operations from wardecs to full on suicide ganking, awoxing, corporate theft and so on since there won't be any fun in spending 100 mil to wardec a simple highsec corp by myself, with the risk of them all docking up, leaving the corporation or generally just being pansies.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go to jita to buy about 10000 thrashers.
I wonder how much whining there'll be then... |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:41:00 -
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Severian Carnifex wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Dear hi-sec industrialists, miners, mission/incursion runners, traders, etc.
You are not supposed to leave yourself defenseless in this game. Hire someone to protect you. Train some combat skills. Get combat pilots in your corps. Learn to defend yourself.
If you (PVP-er) train all my skills, I (Industry, Miner) will train all your skills. Deal??? I didn't think so.
Kindergarten is that way. ->
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Tactical Narcotics Team
118
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:42:00 -
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This is the Red vs Blue future:
One of them attacks a 1 man corporation called "Scapegoat" - pays the 50m
The "Scapegoat" corporation hires the other alliance as a merc for a 1-time fee of 0 or 1 isk
I guess it's 50m more than what they are paying for mutual wars atm but they can live with that I'm sure.
However this doesn't fix the many issues of:
* Large entities cheaply being able to harass smaller ones
* Small entities not being able to afford a David vs Goliath war
* Defenders are far more able to affect the cost of war than an agressor
* Agressor size is not taken into account
* Multiple agressors can't get on the same war-sheet
* Defenders not being able to turn the war around and as such have no goals in a war
Basically the only things changing are the prices and the interface...
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The Snowman
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:43:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:Dear hi-sec industrialists, miners, mission/incursion runners, traders, etc.
Dear 0.0 bears, stops grinding anomalies everyday and increasing inflation. Just because your in 0.0 doesnt mean your any different to high-sec dwellers.
And stop making statements about things you know nothing about. These changes just mean staying in npc corp. that is all.
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Avila Cracko
283
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:54:00 -
[337] - Quote
EVE residents: 5.4% WH; 8.2% Lowsec; 15.0% Nullsec; 71.5% Highsec.
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/84/wheredopeoplelive.png
Just saying.
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:11:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/Nk4dn.jpg
Just saying.
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Halycon Gamma
Judian Peoples Front
18
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:22:00 -
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Pinky Denmark wrote:This is the Red vs Blue future:
One of them attacks a 1 man corporation called "Scapegoat" - pays the 50m
The "Scapegoat" corporation hires the other alliance as a merc for a 1-time fee of 0 or 1 isk
I guess it's 50m more than what they are paying for mutual wars atm but they can live with that I'm sure.
However this doesn't fix the many issues of:
* Large entities cheaply being able to harass smaller ones
* Small entities not being able to afford a David vs Goliath war
* Defenders are far more able to affect the cost of war than an agressor
* Agressor size is not taken into account
* Multiple agressors can't get on the same war-sheet
* Defenders not being able to turn the war around and as such have no goals in a war
Basically the only things changing are the prices and the interface...
Nope, because war decs follow you. Can't get out of them from attacking or defending side. War has consequences now. So joining Red vs Blue, having a bit of fun, and walking away from it doesn't work. Only way you can get out is if the attacker doesn't pay the cost, or if the attacker accepts a surrender. Merc corps are just as stuck with it as the principle players.
If your corp attacks someone and it starts going badly, you're just as stuck with it no matter what you do if your CEO won't quit it. Leave the corp, and it'll just follow you. So RvB no longer has a place in New Eden unless 1 week out of every month they stop the war to clear the roster. Which sorta ends the idea of RvB's constant war, and what makes it truly unique. |
bornaa
GRiD.
149
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:24:00 -
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I see that EVE is becoming like RL in too many things.
There is less and less middle class of citizens in EVE like there is less and less of it in RL.
And CCP is working hard on dipolarizing this society even more and CCP is having success in it like RL governments have.
So there will remain only poor and rich people, and groups of people, and middle class will be annihilated.
Why the hell are you working so hard to ruin the game CCP??? |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
511
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:30:00 -
[341] - Quote
On that killmail picture, why is M0tha II listed with a Hurricane as top damage and killing blow, but on the damage list below he's in a Rupture.. devhax!
shiptoastin' liek a baws |
Halycon Gamma
Judian Peoples Front
18
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:32:00 -
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So, question.
If my corp is in an Alliance A, then Alliance B wardecs them, and my corp decides Alliance A are some evil people and it's going to take its resources and join Alliance B.
Does that mean since the new and improved space aids follows, that you can be a member of an alliance you're also stuck at being at war with at the same time?
Because that would be awesomely funny. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
889
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:43:00 -
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CCP SoniClover wrote:
Q: Tiny entities deccing large entities?
A: The fact this makes this harder is a conscious decision. We don't want to ban this activity of course, but see no reason to support it.
how stupid do you sound?
incredibly
My homeboys tried to warn me
But that butt you got makes me so horny |
KanashiiKami
98
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:50:00 -
[344] - Quote
it is also very interesting that ...
CCP has no buffs for industry in any major patch
and goons are almost always ... benefitting from every ... CCP change ...
hmmmm
everything else now after every patch will be dumped nearer to a war ....
maybe the patch after inferno will be .... "total war" ?
WUT ??? |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
889
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:52:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Besbin wrote:Cosmetic suggestion:
Change the term "Killmail" to "Kill Report" to reflect the new setup.
It will no longer be just a mail and it will then be analogous to the "War Report". I like this idea <3 I wish I came up with it myself 
regardless they will be forever known as killmails, so dont you dare change it
My homeboys tried to warn me
But that butt you got makes me so horny |
Citizen Smif
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:53:00 -
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Industry guys are so nooby.. Everybody here is saying "poor industry, small corps will be driven out of business" bla bla bla.. But this is not true if you just think a little bit. I have an alt industry corp and if I was decced I would either join a PvP alliance, provide them with goods etc in return for protection or I would just pay for some mercs. There are so many alternatives, wardecs are vital in highsec & imo I don't see much of a problem with small corps banding together. It may even mix up to null sec scene at some point.
The only other alternative is that industry is made immune to war decs which is a ridiculous idea. The reason people hate miners and such is because they expect special treatment. If you fail at the game just stay in an NPC corp (damnit just realise I'm in one ) |
Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
134
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:53:00 -
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Hey Superfriends, will logistics now be included in the new Killmails and battlereports, this was mentioned at fanfest briefly I believe.
Thanks
Caldari focused fleet PvP
Fly Caldari and want to fly them in Fleet PvP? We are recruiting:
www.thedeadrabbitsociety.com |
Avila Cracko
283
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:00:00 -
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KanashiiKami wrote:it is also very interesting that ...
CCP has no buffs for industry in any major patch
and goons are almost always ... benefitting from every ... CCP change ...
hmmmm
everything else now after every patch will be dumped nearer to a war ....
maybe the patch after inferno will be .... "total war" ?
They are called "Super Friends" but they forgot to put "Goons" before that.
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
fenistil
Sardaukar Terror Troops
Frontier Systems Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:04:00 -
[349] - Quote
What are the costs of war?
How much the wardeccing corp will have to pay for deccing war on someone?
Does that mean that by bringin 150 alts into an alliance into an alt corp will mean that we got another alt meat shield?
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bornaa
GRiD.
152
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:12:00 -
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I found one good proposal, please CCP, read it!!!!
"Take the Killboards of the aggressor and the defender as base for the calculation.
The bigger the difference the more expensive the wardec must be. Will protect mining-corps or R&D-corps better then the membercount." |
gfldex
427
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:13:00 -
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Pinky Denmark wrote:
* Multiple agressors can't get on the same war-sheet
They can, every 7 days.
Goons are the 3%. |
Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:23:00 -
[352] - Quote
Post 13
THIS, post 13. Makes much more sense
Listen to Dierdra Vaal even if she is ugly. |
Nohb Oddy
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:25:00 -
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Halycon Gamma wrote:They did train PVP skills. I dare the average combat player to engage them in market combat.
...
They don't bring market PVP to you.
I hope you see where you just proved yourself wrong. That is, unless you believe that people who like to shoot things never buy or sell anything ... ever.
I really don't understand why people are complaining about not being able to jump in and out of an alliance to avoid a wardec. Do the people complaining about this 'change' not realize that up until not even half a year ago using alliances to shed a wardec was consider an exploit in game mechanics? Do they not realize that these changes are just mechanics going into place to fix a problem that has been around for years so that there are no longer petitions flooding GMs about people shedding wardecs? Do they not know that the recent change to policy to allow a corp to shed a wardec was done to see how it would actually effect the game as they worked in a way to solve the problem (which this patch does)?
Nohb Oddy likes you. |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
210
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:28:00 -
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Pimp
GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
Halycon Gamma
Judian Peoples Front
18
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:38:00 -
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Nohb Oddy wrote:Halycon Gamma wrote:They did train PVP skills. I dare the average combat player to engage them in market combat.
...
They don't bring market PVP to you. I hope you see where you just proved yourself wrong. That is, unless you believe that people who like to shoot things never buy or sell anything ... ever.
I really don't understand why people are complaining about not being able to jump in and out of an alliance to avoid a wardec. Do the people complaining about this 'change' not realize that up until not even half a year ago using alliances to shed a wardec was consider an exploit in game mechanics? Do they not realize that these changes are just mechanics going into place to fix a problem that has been around for years so that there are no longer petitions flooding GMs about people shedding wardecs? Do they not know that the recent change to policy to allow a corp to shed a wardec was done to see how it would actually effect the game as they worked in a way to solve the problem (which this patch does)?
Buying and a ship or their gains from PVP on the market isn't market pvp. It's the raw material for market PVP. It isn't .01 wars on price. It isn't going out and contracting ore from small corps. It isn't shipping large bulk orders to out of the way locations to open up new markets and feeding the combat player. It isn't anything that is actual market PvP. Combat PVP are the people we sell to, but it isn't the people we're competing against. Combat PVP players are simply the people who feed market PVP players money to keep score of who's winning and losing. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:40:00 -
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KanashiiKami wrote:
CCP has no buffs for industry in any major patch
Revelations - Invention, salvaging, rigs, booster manufacturing
Quantum Rise - Orca
Apocrypha - new things to mine, new things to invent, new POS processes, new ships and subsystems to build
Tyrranis - planetary interaction, a huge number of things become player-produced instead of NPC goods
Don't remember in which expansion Rorqual was introduced.
So, you're wrong.
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May O'Neez
Flying Blacksmiths
1
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Posted - 2012.03.30 12:02:00 -
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Having theses kludges in HiSec (like wars or Concord) at the moment sound more and more like a lie or trying to dance around the actual problems. HiSec, I think, has been thought at the beginning as a "Coffee Shop" (cf World of Darkness presentation in Fanfest, if you see what I mean), the actual Sandbox was not meant to be there.
Maybe at the end a better solution would be to put the losec limit to 0.8 instead of 0.5 ... war system then would be of no use and player would be more trained to "danger". Fanfest presentations clearly were towards PvP, if they actually want EVE to be mainly PvP, they have to do more changes to it. Yes, lots of people will quit, but it may be temporary (... or not). Or maybe you could be surprised as the fights would be diluted among more systems, thus having a "relative" security in certains areas (not including mercs doing the current Concord job). But all of this probably won't happen, too much impacts and too much people fearing the worst. |
Dierdra Vaal
Veto.
Veto Corp
152
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Posted - 2012.03.30 12:03:00 -
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Cap Tyrian wrote:Listen to Dierdra Vaal even if she is ugly.
hey 
Veto #205
* * *
Director Emeritus at EVE University
* * *
CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman |
KanashiiKami
98
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Posted - 2012.03.30 12:10:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:
CCP has no buffs for industry in any major patch
Revelations - Invention, salvaging, rigs, booster manufacturing Quantum Rise - Orca Apocrypha - new things to mine, new things to invent, new POS processes, new ships and subsystems to build Tyrranis - planetary interaction, a huge number of things become player-produced instead of NPC goods Don't remember in which expansion Rorqual was introduced. So, you're wrong.
ok my statement was ... overly opiniated lol ...
let me rephrase ... i m not impressed with the INDY "deprovements" CCP introduced ...
WUT ??? |
gfldex
427
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Posted - 2012.03.30 12:24:00 -
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Dierdra Vaal wrote:hey
Don't worry honey, your mom loves you.
Goons are the 3%. |
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