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KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:24:00 - [1] KIA assembles fleet in MGAM. 100 BS + some anti support Requests filter through to help NC in M-O We want a fight, and its probably teh only place we will get one tonight, so we make ready. TCF and Rebellion are bridged into MGAM 400 Local. 280 BS + Support. Reports of 470 Bob in M-O inc 90 Caps and 5 Titans. MGAM fleet is bridged into 15W And we wait for NC to be ready. Basic plan is a simple one. Jump in, kill bubble and warp away, then back in to support the NC capitals and slug out what chould be an epic fight. Most BS are Dual DD resistant. Form up on M-O gate. Wait. I give the order for KIA to jump, and issue the order is given to TCF who follow suit. NC bridge in and the battle begins. Total module lag from the jumpins, we expected this, so no big deal. Bubble isn't dying but many ships are out and clear of the bubble already and warping to the friendly pos. Tick tock. First Avatar arrives on grid about 60 seconds after jump in, first DD. Nothing much dies, as most support is out, and most BS can survive the dd without any real damage. About 50% of the KIA fleet are now out of the bubble and safe in POS. BoB bubble entry to pos. Second Avatar arrives on grid. Second DD. Not much dies again, more BoB support than anything as far as we can tell. Bob caps arrive at pos. Fight ensues on both gate and POS. Lag begins to clear, and considering there is at one point 1140 people in local, it is very playable. Fight at POS looks to be going our way, fight at Gate BoB has control of. Bob caps begin to warp to Gate. KIA locks down 5 or 6 straggling Caps at pos, and beings to goto work. KIA anti support is ordered to the gate. Node crash. First KIA pilot logs in after 35 minutes of everyone looking at log in screen. When he arrives at gate there are 6 friendlies and 34 hostiles. Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB. Local grows, about another 5 freindlies arrive at gate, about another 30 BoB. Local is at over 200 then Node crash Rinse and repeat. 4 hours later I call an end to it and we all log off. CCP refuse stuck petitions and refuse re imbureent. Std procedure I am sure. Server logs show nothing etc KIA pilots attempt a few logins in the night, which ends in ship losses. End situation is KIA fleet is trapped in M-O Unable to log in because BoB have all points bubbled and camped. What started of as a fun night, with an acceptable risk, due to node crashes and the blah, has left a decideldly bitter taste in KIAs mouth. People say that we shouldn't jump in 600 to face 450.... what choice do we have, are people suggesting the first person to get 400+ in local wins by default.. we exoected to lose 20% on entry, that is an acceptable loss. We didnt expect to be looking at losing 80% after the fight ends and as the day meanders by. gf BoB, well played and got it right as always, but without the node crash, the whole picture would of been hugely different, maybe you win, maybe you don't, but at least it would of been a fight not a turkey shoot of people looking at the entering game screen, no malice or anger directed at you in anyways, you are doing what any of us would do in same situation, but even the most emotionally stalwart of your folk has to be glad its not them on the receiving end of it. So so close last night to what Eve has always promised, and for about 15 minutes it was nearly there, from node crash point onwards it was a unmittigating disaster, and not for the right reasons. KIA EVE Home KIA in game Public Channel "KIA" KIA are Currently recruiting active PvP minded players. Contact Imperius Blackheart
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:26:00 - [2] lol fail harder.. I like molles version :P Awesome EVE history
Andreaz Kotz Morne Attitude	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:26:00 - [3] you're terrible please stop
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:30:00 - [4] Quote: Nothing much dies, as most support is out, and most BS can survive the dd without any real damage. Not much died to the DDs indeed. Quote: Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB. Local is 80% bob indeed. I believe I have made my point.
Darth Sithus Amarr Beltinci UnderGround	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:31:00 - [5] Boost NC and their superfriends incase someone forgot: TORTUGAAAAAAA
Horza Phelbas	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:32:00 - [6] Originally by: KIAEddZ KIA assembles fleet in MGAM. Most BS are Dual DD resistant. You know for a fact that is BS.
thelung187 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:32:00 - [7] Apparently they don't teach children to write in paragraphs in New Orleans schools.
Minigin eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:33:00 - [8] so basically what you are saying is i want my 600man gang to be able to roam around eve ripping up trees and chomping on peoples asses. look im sorry to say this but you are seriously on the wrong side of the bluelist to be complaining about all this... the first super-coalition was formed to put down bob... what was anyone expecting? this game had 2 possible roads to head down. everyone would un-nap and realise that such large blobs where not fun, or continue doing it and force opposing forces to do the same. also open your ts for extended dt. i want to berate somebody. preferably a goon but anyone will do atm.
Kor Korenfield	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:39:00 - [9] Lol at KiaeDdz thinking he and his team of weekend warriors actually are of any significance.
Lord EmBra Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 30/09/2008 11:43:30 look im sorry to say this but you are seriously on the wrong side of the bluelist to be complaining about all this... the first super-coalition was formed to put down bob... Wrong. Hint: 01/04-2006 system: EC-P8R

Demon Barber	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:51:00 - [11] Can I have your stuff ... and please close the door behind you. Sir Molle is doing it better.
Minigin eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Lord EmBra Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 30/09/2008 11:43:30 look im sorry to say this but you are seriously on the wrong side of the bluelist to be complaining about all this... the first super-coalition was formed to put down bob... Wrong. Hint: 01/04-2006 system: EC-P8R ok ill make it a little more explicit seeing as the term SUPER has evaded your grasp. - every major entity in the entire game blueing up to attack 1 alliance or coalition. bob + ascn pretty big, but not a super-duper-uber coalition. imo anyways.
Firkragg Blue Labs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:53:00 - [13] Basically the way i understand it these node crashes are indirectly related to the new stacklessIO implementation. As you said it is now playable to have 1000 people in one system which is pretty awesome. Unfortunately this has meant that the servers have a habit of running out of memory now since it is possible to get enough peoploe in system to max it out. Now as far as i can see there is two options. Either make a lower artificial system cap which i think most people have agreed is a bad idea since it creates certain metatactics. The other option is to work on the memory management to decrease memory use which is exactly what CCP is doing. Im expecting a server side patch soon to help with the memory related node crashs. TBH though if its playable with 1000 in system i can wait to see how 200 vs 200 battles go now.
Shardrael Caldari Titan Industries Technology Team Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Lord EmBra Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 30/09/2008 11:43:30 look im sorry to say this but you are seriously on the wrong side of the bluelist to be complaining about all this... the first super-coalition was formed to put down bob... Wrong. Hint: 01/04-2006 system: EC-P8R truth I havent even been here that long and I am not naive enough to assume that the goon bob fight claims all the firsts for the current mechanics and tactics employed in 0.0 warfare. even were that the case remember that at the start of the turnaround in omist it was not just bob that was fighting against eve but it was bob plus all of their pets, amusingly enough they seemed to learn the lesson from that and no longer call people pets (atleast in the open) instead its the GBC...
Szass Tam Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:55:00 - [15] It's not the first time you make a fool of yourself EddZ, and you just did again. Try to keep in mind you're the leader of an alliance, your members should want to look up to you, they should want to follow your lead, you should be an example ... and you're not. Please stop posting.
Maj'k Lootar Trinity Corp	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:57:00 - [16] Originally by: Szass Tam It's not the first time you make a fool of yourself EddZ, and you just did again. Try to keep in mind you're the leader of an alliance, your members should want to look up to you, they should want to follow your lead, you should be an example ... and you're not. Please stop posting. he is being an example... this is why so many people are blaming their failures on lagspoltation.
Szass Tam Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Maj'k Lootar he is being an example... this is why so many people are blaming their failures on lagspoltation. You sir are in need of some more of my sig. Stop bringing 700 ppl to fight 350, and stop blaming lag for your failures. If you do then please also give credit to lag for your successes aswell.
mugaTUS Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:14:00 - [18] A nice report instead of chest beating over winning a log in battle. :D Love that people have to nit pick and try to pull apart anything but hey it's Caod.
TentPegg Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:19:00 - [19] I'm always glad to hear both sides of a story so cheers for posting. I've been on the recieving end of one of these node crashes and yeah...it ain;t much fun so my sympathy goes to those who lost ships without even being able to defend yourselves. Its one thing having your ship blown up, but its just a sad situation when there is nothing you can do about it apart from look at a black screen. Congrats to NC for making a stand and giving GBC a fight over M-O o7
Zethura Gravis Corp	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:25:00 - [20] Nice operation report eddz helpful for all of us who weren't there to understand exactly what went on. As usual more BoB saying they rule the earth and are gods but we're all used to that now and can ignore it. TBH i cant see how CCP can say there was no problem in the system while people are losing ships after a node crash while not even logged in.

Punaineefor Gaius	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:31:00 - [21] Welcome to the suck.
enjoi Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Gamesguy Quote: Nothing much dies, as most support is out, and most BS can survive the dd without any real damage. Not much died to the DDs indeed. Quote: Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB. Local is 80% bob indeed. I believe I have made my point. I'm sorry but I have go to quote this before I go to work. You're full of air, Eddz. Gamesguy /thread
Lord EmBra Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:35:00 - [23] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Lord EmBra Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 30/09/2008 11:43:30 look im sorry to say this but you are seriously on the wrong side of the bluelist to be complaining about all this... the first super-coalition was formed to put down bob... Wrong. Hint: 01/04-2006 system: EC-P8R ok ill make it a little more explicit seeing as the term SUPER has evaded your grasp. - every major entity in the entire game blueing up to attack 1 alliance or coalition. bob + ascn pretty big, but not a super-duper-uber coalition. imo anyways. I knew you were going to reply just like that :) 2+ years ago a coalition able to get 600+ players into one system and camp it like that for a week could very much constitute as a "super" as you like to call it.
Wladeck Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:37:00 - [24] I Confirm Eddz POV. one hour after node Crash on TCF's TS : "Who is connected ?" 2 mates are log on nearly 150 "What is local status ?" "280 on local with 5 to 1 for Bob. . ."
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Wladeck I Confirm Eddz POV. one hour after node Crash on TCF's TS : "Who is connected ?" 2 mates are log on nearly 150 "What is local status ?" "280 on local with 5 to 1 for Bob. . ." This clearly means that the NC have to bring even moar friends next time, I¦m sure you will
Unfunny Alt Anonymous Forumposters	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:46:00 - [26] Originally by: KIAEddZ People say that we shouldn't jump in 600 to face 450.... what choice do we have, are people suggesting the first person to get 400+ in local wins by default.. Actually what they are saying is, when gbc gets 400+ in local they win by default And to the triguy asking about medium guns: you only put med guns on your bs if you fit for triple doomsday Anyway, nice read, far less flamebait than some other OP's. The whole mess sounds as if it could have gone either way, perhaps a bit more in favour of NC, if the node didn't crash. Now lets see if the north can get back up. Afterall gbc did it a few times at the start of max, didn't they? Poster and Hauling Alt of Policy Handicapped Main
Seth Quantix	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:46:00 - [27] you talk about setting BS up to survive doubble DD and wonder why you suck so much, ever tried warping away from them when the light starts to glow? I love your crying threads, makes me happy. ----------------------------------------------- The NC final solution: Quote: rawr-vuk-lau: can we set BoB blue so we can kill Tri together?
Levitikon Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Wladeck I Confirm Eddz POV. one hour after node Crash on TCF's TS : "Who is connected ?" 2 mates are log on nearly 150 "What is local status ?" "280 on local with 5 to 1 for Bob. . ." You also killed 788924y42934702 titans, but ccp rollbacked them. "I chickened out from the capital battle and left my friends on the grid to die, so I better say we were outnumbered 5 to 1. Sorry, but every target I shot at either warped out, or shoot me back, so I dare to say that if you were on grid, you were loaded. Also, some NC capital pilots simply warped to safespots in the middle of the fight, I'm pretty sure if I were one of them, I would be selling bullshit about 5 : 1, bobhaxes and premium eve clients, too.
Archetype02 Gallente Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:58:00 - [29] Edited by: Archetype02 on 30/09/2008 13:02:47 Edited by: Archetype02 on 30/09/2008 13:02:28 Originally by: Seth Quantix you talk about setting BS up to survive doubble DD and wonder why you suck so much, ever tried warping away from them when the light starts to glow? I love your crying threads, makes me happy. they where bubbled and probably where to dumb to fit mwd. can i has cookie ? besides posting with an alt bad.. and tcf fail.. like always fills me with joy.. send moar titans please! btw i hoped you learbned your lesson from this TCF.. http://femaref.box23.de/gods_struktura.avi<3 i heart your stupid losses</a>
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:01:00 - [30] Originally by: Gamesguy Quote: Nothing much dies, as most support is out, and most BS can survive the dd without any real damage. Not much died to the DDs indeed. Quote: Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB. Local is 80% bob indeed. I believe I have made my point. I think I'll believe the guy with the screenshots.

Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:05:00 - [31] Originally by: Kai Zion Originally by: Gamesguy Quote: Nothing much dies, as most support is out, and most BS can survive the dd without any real damage. Not much died to the DDs indeed. Quote: Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB. Local is 80% bob indeed. I believe I have made my point. I think I'll believe the guy with the screenshots. what do screenshots taken before node crash have to do with situation after crash ? :\|
Seth Quantix Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:12:00 - [32] Originally by: Don Z0LA Originally by: Kai Zion Originally by: Gamesguy Quote: Nothing much dies, as most support is out, and most BS can survive the dd without any real damage. Not much died to the DDs indeed. Quote: Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB. Local is 80% bob indeed. I believe I have made my point. I think I'll believe the guy with the screenshots. what do screenshots taken before node crash have to do with situation after crash ? :\| Every thing when the noob op says the DD hardly h=killed a tinkg emplying that there plan was worthy when the facts are theat his plan was fail and the node crashing probly saved more of them than fighting. So serious, stop trying to turn the total spanking into anything else. It's great how NC are in the ASCN fail stages of blaiming the game for there crappy tactics.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:14:00 - [33] Originally by: Gamesguy Quote: Nothing much dies, as most support is out, and most BS can survive the dd without any real damage. Quote: Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB. Local is 80% bob indeed. I believe I have made my point. Your point is that the enemy caps were all logged in when there were 630 in local? GG
DogTyred Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:15:00 - [34] Personally I wouldn't flame anyone for jumping into that shitstorm, madprops to all. I was amazed the server held up as long as it did. NC and co had little option if they wanted to save the system, thats down to CCP. For myself i spent 2 hours trying to get back in and then wen't to bed. Fortunately it was GBC holding the field this morning when i logged my carrier back on (i checked first obviously), but it could just as easily have been NC.
Kaltener D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:15:00 - [35] The thing to bear in mind here is just because local shows a certain number doesnt infact mean all those people are able to actually play the game, I would imagine quite a few are staring at a black screen after clicking on their character to enter game. However I do agree that CCP's policy right now of just not reimburing any ships that die to lag is quite frankly shit. Doesnt matter if you were in the battle or if you just got too close to the system and lagged out you still get the "we hope you recover from your loss quickly" crap.
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:15:00 - [36] Those screenshots prove what exactly? The 2 points he is contesting are that when local was at 130 it was about/circa 80% BoB... he shsows local at 640 or summin.. Other one shows what looks like 100 yellow wrecks on gate.. and not a single "white" 1, supposedly show sthat the DD's were highly succesful. My Recount of the events are factual from the pov of view of events that unfolded on KIA TS and the AARs after on our forums.
Seth Quantix Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:19:00 - [37] Originally by: KIAEddZ My Recount of the events are factual from the pov of view of events that unfolded on KIA TS and the AARs after on our forums. Anyone else read, I only know what I was told as there is no way I have to balls to jump in my self? KIAEddz the confused american soilder "Last in - first out" ----------------------------------------------- The NC final solution: Quote: rawr-vuk-lau: can we set BoB blue so we can kill Tri together?
B orange	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:20:00 - [38] Originally by: umop 3pisdn Originally by: Gamesguy Quote: Nothing much dies, as most support is out, and most BS can survive the dd without any real damage. Quote: Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB. Local is 80% bob indeed. I believe I have made my point. Your point is that the enemy caps were all logged in when there were 630 in local? GG His point: those caps you see on overview weren't able to kill a single GBC capital.. and don't tell me they were all unable to target and fire due lag/desync/planet alignment.
Doc Punkiller Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Szass Tam Originally by: Maj'k Lootar he is being an example... this is why so many people are blaming their failures on lagspoltation. You sir are in need of some more of my sig. Stop bringing 700 ppl to fight 350, and stop blaming lag for your failures. If you do then please also give credit to lag for your successes aswell. I dont think lag was the problem here... More like the node crash and the way people logged back. Signature removed. Inappropriate. Navigator
Kalek Astroth A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:22:00 - [40] Originally by: KIAEddZ Edited by: KIAEddZ on 30/09/2008 11:32:43 People say that we shouldn't jump in 600 to face 450.... ... and maybe they are right ...

KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:23:00 - [41] Originally by: Seth Quantix Originally by: KIAEddZ My Recount of the events are factual from the pov of view of events that unfolded on KIA TS and the AARs after on our forums. Anyone else read, I only know what I was told as there is no way I have to balls to jump in my self? KIAEddz the confused american soilder "Last in - first out" I was on the field for the entire fight, I couldnt log in after node crash despite waiting till nearly 0000 eve time, I am still sat in M-O in my rapier. I logged in and wandered out of the bubble with my cloak on earlier today. You are a fkin nubtard, a laughing stock when you were in KIA, and i see you still attempting hang on coat tails now, Bobs teh ck of choice for your sucking this time i guess. KIA EVE Home KIA in game Public Channel "KIA" KIA are Currently recruiting active PvP minded players. Contact Imperius Blackheart
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:23:00 - [42] Originally by: Seth Quantix Originally by: Don Z0LA Originally by: Kai Zion Originally by: Gamesguy Quote: Nothing much dies, as most support is out, and most BS can survive the dd without any real damage. Not much died to the DDs indeed. Quote: Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB. Local is 80% bob indeed. I believe I have made my point. I think I'll believe the guy with the screenshots. what do screenshots taken before node crash have to do with situation after crash ? :\| Every thing when the noob op says the DD hardly h=killed a tinkg emplying that there plan was worthy when the facts are theat his plan was fail and the node crashing probly saved more of them than fighting. So serious, stop trying to turn the total spanking into anything else. It's great how NC are in the ASCN fail stages of blaiming the game for there crappy tactics. i was reffering to that 80% part of local. i`m not trying to turn total spanking. npcing would give more adrenaline rush then that fight. thou i dont care about it, infact i should be cheering for bob, since my rl mates from rawr will give me their stuff when they quit :D
Seth Quantix Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:26:00 - [43] Originally by: Doc Punkiller Originally by: Szass Tam Originally by: Maj'k Lootar he is being an example... this is why so many people are blaming their failures on lagspoltation. You sir are in need of some more of my sig. Stop bringing 700 ppl to fight 350, and stop blaming lag for your failures. If you do then please also give credit to lag for your successes aswell. I dont think lag was the problem here... More like the node crash and the way people logged back. The thing is mate that when people crash with nodes etc there are a few things one can do so as to get in the game, re-starting clients every 5 mins aint one. Pluse, when we went against ascn i know of many people that would wait a wile before logging in so they don't die first. Lack of team work and commitment will be part of the problem I am sure. People like to blim exploits for BOB winning here but I flown with the BOB FC's enough to know it's not true and best of all the spies in BOB know it's no diffrent just the FC's are clearly more calm and focused that other. I mean, Eddz was a FC for the love of god. ----------------------------------------------- The NC final solution: Quote: rawr-vuk-lau: can we set BoB blue so we can kill Tri together?
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:28:00 - [44] Originally by: Kalek Astroth Originally by: KIAEddZ Edited by: KIAEddZ on 30/09/2008 11:32:43 People say that we shouldn't jump in 600 to face 450.... ... and maybe they are right ... A fair comment. But the other option is let 400 people who are in already, win by default.. As i said we expected circa 20% losses, and knew taht would still elave us nemrically even. The lag was playable to an extent and expected, everything was going ok, with fights developed at POS and at gate, and overall a feeling of balance across our TS in warfare. We took the hit on the way in, but we were in and the fight and it was going well (ie were were shooting stuff and could see ourselves in game). :) The node crashes was the killer, from then on, it was a mess.
Anna Valerios Amarr Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:28:00 - [45] Seth seriously you should just stop posting, your awful at it. I know your clearly not a native english speaker either but at least make an attempt to make a readable sentence. You didnt participate in any of the hard times in bob yet you post like you have been in bob since 03' or whatever. STOP POSTING.
Seth Quantix Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:28:00 - [46] Originally by: KIAEddZ Originally by: Seth Quantix Originally by: KIAEddZ My Recount of the events are factual from the pov of view of events that unfolded on KIA TS and the AARs after on our forums. Anyone else read, I only know what I was told as there is no way I have to balls to jump in my self? KIAEddz the confused american soilder "Last in - first out" I was on the field for the entire fight, I couldnt log in after node crash despite waiting till nearly 0000 eve time, I am still sat in M-O in my rapier. I logged in and wandered out of the bubble with my cloak on earlier today. You are a fkin nubtard, a laughing stock when you were in KIA, and i see you still attempting hang on coat tails now, Bobs teh ck of choice for your sucking this time i guess. LMAO good job on winning last night. no wait.....Fail! haha, try again sugar plum fairy.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:28:00 - [47] Originally by: Gamesguy Quote: Nothing much dies, as most support is out, and most BS can survive the dd without any real damage. Not much died to the DDs indeed. Quote: Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB. Local is 80% bob indeed. I believe I have made my point. lol, talk about caod ownage
Luthique	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:33:00 - [48] yes as said above, i was here too with ASCN when we were in war against BoB ans strangely at this time already when there was node crash, BoB guys were able to log back much faster than us. Really dont seems things have changed seems "Pluse, when we went against ascn i know of many people that would wait a wile before logging in so they don't die first. Lack of team work and commitment will be part of the problem I am sure." My bad....
Doc Punkiller Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:38:00 - [49] Originally by: Seth Quantix The thing is mate that when people crash with nodes etc there are a few things one can do so as to get in the game, re-starting clients every 5 mins aint one. Pluse, when we went against ascn i know of many people that would wait a wile before logging in so they don't die first. Lack of team work and commitment will be part of the problem I am sure. People like to blim exploits for BOB winning here but I flown with the BOB FC's enough to know it's not true and best of all the spies in BOB know it's no diffrent just the FC's are clearly more calm and focused that other. You assume a lot here; our ts was clear and FC was competent and calm. We also know how not to spam the client. Maybe you can explain us the "few things one can do so as to get in the game" ? No... i think it was not our lucky day Signature removed. Inappropriate. Navigator
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:46:00 - [50] Ive just discovered an amazing formula NC Forum whines = log(ship losses+lag) * node crashes * epic failure of last op Awesome EVE history

Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Szass Tam Originally by: Maj'k Lootar he is being an example... this is why so many people are blaming their failures on lagspoltation. You sir are in need of some more of my sig. Stop bringing 700 ppl to fight 350, and stop blaming lag for your failures. If you do then please also give credit to lag for your successes aswell. And what are we supposed to do? Bring only 200 to limit lag, when you already have 350 AND the defenders advantage? If you pack 350 peeps in a critical system, you force a stronger response. Stop playing the blame game about numbers, it's childish. ------------------------------------------
n00b alt3 THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Lord EmBra Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 30/09/2008 11:43:30 look im sorry to say this but you are seriously on the wrong side of the bluelist to be complaining about all this... the first super-coalition was formed to put down bob... Wrong. Hint: 01/04-2006 system: EC-P8R which was bob/.5./ascn/f-e/mc iirc that vs RA goon tcf unl aaa kos ca irc frege ed ka-tet mh smash roadkill atlas chaos pure iron hydra morsus razor d2 fla triumvirate pandemic legion youwhat and those are just the major players, and i know for certain that i missed alot
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:03:00 - [53] Originally by: Shadowsword And what are we supposed to do? Bring only 200 to limit lag, when you already have 350 AND the defenders advantage? If you pack 350 peeps in a critical system, you force a stronger response. Stop playing the blame game about numbers, it's childish. The answer when you're looking across a field at an enemy dug in deep with machine-guns, tanks and artillery covering all approaches is NOT to shout 'CHARGE!' and run mindlessly against the enemy! Either you prevent him from digging in in the first place, you wait until his guard is down, or you attack somewhere else where your enemy is weak! NOTHING at all prevented NC from attacking a GBC-held system and hold it down like we held down M-O, thus putting the burden of attacking on us! Why you chose the headless charge instead is beyond words... Once you let GBC incap your POS in M-O, put up our POS, and prepare a defence, the system was lost! The critical point in any battle are the first hours, and you didn't react then (when M-O was initially attacked). We've seen close to every single time it's been tried in EVE that the headless charge into prepared defences doesn't work, and yet stupid FC's are continuing to pursue this 'strategy' (this is not the right word, but the right one would be 'd) all over EVE... In short, your FC's FAILED horribly! My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.*
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:04:00 - [54] Let's do a throw back to the ASCN days with this fine siggy! LMAO!!!! >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:09:00 - [55] KIAEddZ lied, NC died! NC shure aint got lot of fortunate sons Time change president!
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:10:00 - [56] oh wow, Eddz is talking about something he actually witnessed and knows something about. 30/09/08, never forget!
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:20:00 - [57] My only regret is not having EvETV around to film Eddz bouncing off the walls with emorage as he FC's to total failure... I guess we'll have to settle for watching him DANCE DANCE!!! KIAEddz Break Dancing and KIAEddZ - Greatest Dancer
Kelta Caldari Underground Shadow Inc	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:21:00 - [58] Originally by: n00b alt3 Originally by: Lord EmBra Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 30/09/2008 11:43:30 look im sorry to say this but you are seriously on the wrong side of the bluelist to be complaining about all this... the first super-coalition was formed to put down bob... Wrong. Hint: 01/04-2006 system: EC-P8R which was bob/.5./ascn/f-e/mc iirc Long List and those are just the major players, and i know for certain that i missed alot Just to correct you pretty sure 75% of these alliances didn't even exist back in those days
Goose Hypocrisy The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:25:00 - [59] Originally by: HostageTaker My only regret is not having EvETV around to film Eddz bouncing off the walls with emorage as he FC's to total failure... I guess we'll have to settle for watching him DANCE DANCE!!! KIAEddz Break Dancing and KIAEddZ - Greatest Dancer After watching the BBQ pics, I'd be rather careful about dragging other people's real life here.
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:26:00 - [60] Edited by: KIAEddZ on 30/09/2008 14:27:35 Originally by: HostageTaker My only regret is not having EvETV around to film Eddz bouncing off the walls with emorage as he FC's to total failure... Everything was calm and sereene during last nights op, up until node crash it was going fine, pretty much as expected, after Node crash most of us couldnt log in, and accepted our fate ;). i don't think much was said negatively at all, most people were still hoping to get back in and fight. I only FC's KIA forces, and just kept our couterparts up to date with our movemnets on the battlefield, and vice versa. By the time we all logged off, people were just generally a bit tired and grumpy at looking at "entering game" for 3 hours. Its a pretty sht position to be in to hear that 50 friendly caps are going down, none of thm can fire back, and you cant even log in to help them. Those videos haunt me, alcohol is not your friend.

juxta Caldari Tides of Silence KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:28:00 - [61] As we are all getting anally retentive, i thought i'd add my bit, i was looking at the 80% bob picture and read the local chat on it and i thought i remember that, and lo and behold my words are the ones at the top of the chat window, now i don't mind if anyone want to use them but can i please assert my copyright to them. As for the battle who knows i was killed in taisy 2 hours after going to bed.
Keflin Geard Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:50:00 - [62] Local was about 350 when GBC started to siege the first POS. Look at the TS tower kill mail on the bob board before the fight - 61 caps 35/25 dreads to carriers. Then NC jumped in 700 people and killed the node. Leave half those people behind and you maybe kill 20+ bob caps. NC did all kinds of things wrong - Dreads out of siege for the first hour - double dd tanked bs - ffs and you wonder why fights don't go your way. Lets not even start with the cap kills since the fight ended - pilots logging into a camped system - no scouts, no intel, no clue. I was one of many GBC people who could not get back in after the second node crashed and had to listen to the fight on TS, so i have mixed feelings about the engagement. But, i can can add and do analysis. You guys only have yourselves to blame.
BuIIseye Amarr Pax Amarria Corp	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:57:00 - [63] Edited by: BuIIseye on 30/09/2008 14:59:48 Originally by: Wladeck I Confirm Eddz POV. one hour after node Crash on TCF's TS : "Who is connected ?" 2 mates are log on nearly 150 "What is local status ?" "280 on local with 5 to 1 for Bob. . ." Originally by: Shadowsword And what are we supposed to do? Bring only 200 to limit lag, when you already have 350 AND the defenders advantage? If you pack 350 peeps in a critical system, you force a stronger response. Stop playing the blame game about numbers, it's childish. I am glad to see you are enjoying the other side of a JV1V-like battle.
Cras'h Hulks on stereoids inc	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:11:00 - [64] Originally by: KIAEddZ Those screenshots prove what exactly? The 2 points he is contesting are that when local was at 130 it was about/circa 80% BoB... he shsows local at 640 or summin.. Other one shows what looks like 100 yellow wrecks on gate.. and not a single "white" 1, supposedly show sthat the DD's were highly succesful. My Recount of the events are factual from the pov of view of events that unfolded on KIA TS and the AARs after on our forums. Can i have your stuff ? Cry some more will ya.. You made a buuumer and well shitty happens Now go back to jita and do some trading and let others do the FC`ing since your kinda sux at that
Zethura Gravis Corp	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:20:00 - [65] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Shadowsword And what are we supposed to do? Bring only 200 to limit lag, when you already have 350 AND the defenders advantage? If you pack 350 peeps in a critical system, you force a stronger response. Stop playing the blame game about numbers, it's childish. The answer when you're looking across a field at an enemy dug in deep with machine-guns, tanks and artillery covering all approaches is NOT to shout 'CHARGE!' and run mindlessly against the enemy! Either you prevent him from digging in in the first place, you wait until his guard is down, or you attack somewhere else where your enemy is weak! NOTHING at all prevented NC from attacking a GBC-held system and hold it down like we held down M-O, thus putting the burden of attacking on us! Why you chose the headless charge instead is beyond words... Once you let GBC incap your POS in M-O, put up our POS, and prepare a defence, the system was lost! The critical point in any battle are the first hours, and you didn't react then (when M-O was initially attacked). We've seen close to every single time it's been tried in EVE that the headless charge into prepared defences doesn't work, and yet stupid FC's are continuing to pursue this 'strategy' (this is not the right word, but the right one would be *'d) all over EVE... In short, your FC's FAILED horribly! Fail post. I seem to remember the only reason you managed to take they system in the first place was due to another node crash after which BoB managed to log in before NC, anyone see a pattern here? As soon as you had blobbed the system you the take down the jammer and jump titans in, ready to DD the defense fleet if it was every able to log back in. As we can see this is the winning "tactics" BoB employ crash node ---> log in first ---> take down undefended jammer ---> jump in titans. If we look at the numbers against you we can see that without another node crash with you guys getting in first on mass again you wouldn't of held the system. It's funny to see how the so called best PvPers in the game love the fact they managed to win a fight where the enemy can fire back. Personally i'm not sure about the new feature that when you get chucked off the server your ship gets left there for BoB to kill seems a little bit of a strange feature to introduce. Also seems strange that BoB's max hits a brick wall at tribute when BoB cant beat the defense fleets this crap happens not once but twice.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:28:00 - [66] Originally by: Zethura Fail post. I seem to remember the only reason you managed to take they system in the first place was due to another node crash after which BoB managed to log in before NC, anyone see a pattern here? As soon as you had blobbed the system you the take down the jammer and jump titans in, ready to DD the defense fleet if it was every able to log back in. As we can see this is the winning "tactics" BoB employ crash node ---> log in first ---> take down undefended jammer ---> jump in titans. If we look at the numbers against you we can see that without another node crash with you guys getting in first on mass again you wouldn't of held the system. It's funny to see how the so called best PvPers in the game love the fact they managed to win a fight where the enemy can fire back. Personally i'm not sure about the new feature that when you get chucked off the server your ship gets left there for BoB to kill seems a little bit of a strange feature to introduce. Also seems strange that BoB's max hits a brick wall at tribute when BoB cant beat the defense fleets this crap happens not once but twice. Excellent post. A couple of questions: 1. When did the node crash in M-0? Before or after the NC jumped 600+ people into the system? 2. Depending on your answer to 1, what would be the reason for the node crashing? 3. Do you think BoB cheat/hack/get dev help in any way in order to log in quicker? 4. If your answer to 3 was 'yes', why didn't they use said help during previous battles, some a mere week ago, where it was the NC who loaded quicker after a node crash and killed GBC caps? 5. If your answer to 3 was yes, why the hell are you still playing the game? If I thought the game was slanted to such an effect where devs are actively helping a side I would quit. No, I don't count a dev spawning BPOs to his own character as actively helping a side.
Szass Tam Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:38:00 - [67] Originally by: Zethura Fail post. I seem to remember the only reason you managed to take they system in the first place was due to another node crash after which BoB managed to log in before NC, anyone see a pattern here? As soon as you had blobbed the system you the take down the jammer and jump titans in, ready to DD the defense fleet if it was every able to log back in. As we can see this is the winning "tactics" BoB employ crash node ---> log in first ---> take down undefended jammer ---> jump in titans. If we look at the numbers against you we can see that without another node crash with you guys getting in first on mass again you wouldn't of held the system. It's funny to see how the so called best PvPers in the game love the fact they managed to win a fight where the enemy can fire back. Personally i'm not sure about the new feature that when you get chucked off the server your ship gets left there for BoB to kill seems a little bit of a strange feature to introduce. Also seems strange that BoB's max hits a brick wall at tribute when BoB cant beat the defense fleets this crap happens not once but twice. If you seriously believe what you're saying you should cancel your accounts and quit eve, cause well ... we're invincible. Please contract all your stuff to me. BOB 4TW.
Zethura Gravis Corp	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:40:00 - [68] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Zethura Fail post. I seem to remember the only reason you managed to take they system in the first place was due to another node crash after which BoB managed to log in before NC, anyone see a pattern here? As soon as you had blobbed the system you the take down the jammer and jump titans in, ready to DD the defense fleet if it was every able to log back in. As we can see this is the winning "tactics" BoB employ crash node ---> log in first ---> take down undefended jammer ---> jump in titans. If we look at the numbers against you we can see that without another node crash with you guys getting in first on mass again you wouldn't of held the system. It's funny to see how the so called best PvPers in the game love the fact they managed to win a fight where the enemy can fire back. Personally i'm not sure about the new feature that when you get chucked off the server your ship gets left there for BoB to kill seems a little bit of a strange feature to introduce. Also seems strange that BoB's max hits a brick wall at tribute when BoB cant beat the defense fleets this crap happens not once but twice. Excellent post. A couple of questions: 1. When did the node crash in M-0? Before or after the NC jumped 600+ people into the system? 2. Depending on your answer to 1, what would be the reason for the node crashing? 3. Do you think BoB cheat/hack/get dev help in any way in order to log in quicker? 4. If your answer to 3 was 'yes', why didn't they use said help during previous battles, some a mere week ago, where it was the NC who loaded quicker after a node crash and killed GBC caps? 5. If your answer to 3 was yes, why the hell are you still playing the game? If I thought the game was slanted to such an effect where devs are actively helping a side I would quit. No, I don't count a dev spawning BPOs to his own character as actively helping a side. 1. The first time was when BoB blobbed the system from low sec the node went down so then the NC sniper fleet covering the gate with cap support was not able to log back in til after BoB. 2.I dont know it could of been load or it could of been one of the exploits used to create lag used to and extreme to kill the node. 3. It wouldn't supprise me if BoB have tips from the Devs about how to log in first. Information not given to the rest of us therefore an unfair advantage 4. Their total arrogance when it comes to their abilities in game probably led them to beleave they could win fair and square 5. Since seeing BoB exploits used and the inaction of CCP on the matter i havn't pew pew'd in 0.0 cos the game there is no fun with this sort of bs happening. And they make it so obvious they exploit with comments like "we test the game mechanics on sisi", hmm wonder what they're looking for.
Carin K Minmatar Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:44:00 - [69] Originally by: Gamesguy Quote: Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB. Local is 80% bob indeed. I believe I have made my point. posts unrelated screenshots idiots rush to tell him he has won the thread (in your screenie there are 631 people in local, in his account, he is talking about a time when only 130 are there, shut up, tia)
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:49:00 - [70] Originally by: Zethura 1. The first time was when BoB blobbed the system from low sec the node went down so then the NC sniper fleet covering the gate with cap support was not able to log back in til after BoB. According to you "[you] havn't pew pew'd in 0.0 cos the game there is no fun with this sort of bs happening", so how do you know what happened? As far as I've read, BoB have been present in the system for a number of days. It was no secret that a POS attack was imminent. The NC could have done something to stop it other than send the super-blob, but true to style, they opted for that approach. It failed them this time. It won them the day last week in 15w. Why didn't you complain then? Originally by: Zethura 2.I dont know it could of been load or it could of been one of the exploits used to create lag used to and extreme to kill the node. Please tell us more about these exploits. I'm sure we'd all like to hear about them. I'm sure CCP would too. Oh, yeah that's right, CCP are all in BoB's pockets. I'll ask again: What crashed the node? The 350 GBC guys already in the system or the 600+ who jumped in? Originally by: Zethura 3. It wouldn't supprise me if BoB have tips from the Devs about how to log in first. Information not given to the rest of us therefore an unfair advantage What information is that? Is it so super secret that we don't know about it, but we do know they have it? Where is the evidence for this? Is this still about T20? Originally by: Zethura 4. Their total arrogance when it comes to their abilities in game probably led them to beleave they could win fair and square That doesn't sound like BoB. They would have gone all out and used all their hax and exploits to secure the win. Also, do you know any people who where abducted by aliens? Perhaps you where yourself? Originally by: Zethura 5. Since seeing BoB exploits used and the inaction of CCP on the matter i havn't pew pew'd in 0.0 cos the game there is no fun with this sort of bs happening. And they make it so obvious they exploit with comments like "we test the game mechanics on sisi", hmm wonder what they're looking for. You didn't answer my question. Why, if you honestly believe the crap you're spouting, don't you simply cancel your account? After all, if what you say was true, you would basically be paying BoB to play the game. It seems extremely stupid to me to pay money to someone you know is cheating you. Perhaps its some sort of implant you got installed in your brain when you where on the flying saucer?

O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:49:00 - [71] Originally by: Zethura 1. The first time was when BoB blobbed the system from low sec the node went down so then the NC sniper fleet covering the gate with cap support was not able to log back in til after BoB. 2.I dont know it could of been load or it could of been one of the exploits used to create lag used to and extreme to kill the node. 3. It wouldn't supprise me if BoB have tips from the Devs about how to log in first. Information not given to the rest of us therefore an unfair advantage 4. Their total arrogance when it comes to their abilities in game probably led them to beleave they could win fair and square 5. Since seeing BoB exploits used and the inaction of CCP on the matter i havn't pew pew'd in 0.0 cos the game there is no fun with this sort of bs happening. And they make it so obvious they exploit with comments like "we test the game mechanics on sisi", hmm wonder what they're looking for. It really is NOT hard to get an alt in the GBC and fly with them. Do it. You'll see for yourself what a complete and utter load of shit you're spewing. In the meantime, please stop posting
Hey You Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:51:00 - [72] Edited by: Hey You on 30/09/2008 15:51:09 Originally by: Goose Hypocrisy Originally by: HostageTaker My only regret is not having EvETV around to film Eddz bouncing off the walls with emorage as he FC's to total failure... I guess we'll have to settle for watching him DANCE DANCE!!! KIAEddz Break Dancing and KIAEddZ - Greatest Dancer After watching the BBQ pics, I'd be rather careful about dragging other people's real life here. Wtf is wrong with our BBQ pics? Part that it wasnt rly BBQ at all but :P Everyone got drunk and did some nasty stuff to each other. Btw Vuk Lau is ACE! Cant wait to have beer with that man again :D
Karbowiak Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:54:00 - [73] i see lots of KIA and NC alt crying.. Mostly KIA tho, but did anyone expect anything different?
Re Mi Caldari Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:57:00 - [74] Originally by: Szass Tam It's not the first time you make a fool of yourself EddZ, and you just did again. Try to keep in mind you're the leader of an alliance, your members should want to look up to you, they should want to follow your lead, you should be an example ... and you're not. Please stop posting. Shut up. Stop posting. sigh Are you an ass, or an *******. Tough call.
Zethura Gravis Corp	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:03:00 - [75] @ Maximillian Bayonette The exploits i'm talking about are ones like the BM copying ones the cap gate spamming ones and any other one's you may of found while "testing" sisi. If people knew the tips THERE WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. My stuff is staying in my account and even if i did quit why would i use my stuff to fund a coalition that plays the game like BoB do. Who knows what crashed the node the only people who know are CCP and like always with one of these events they dont directly respond they only delete and ignore comments about their bias.
Yersinia Pest1s Caldari eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:21:00 - [76] Originally by: KIAEddZ Edited by: KIAEddZ on 30/09/2008 11:32:43 People say that we shouldn't jump in 600 to face 450.... what choice do we have, are people suggesting the first person to get 400+ in local wins by default.. Ummmm...perhaps make them jump into you? Oh wait...they wouldn't do that because, well tbh they don't fail.
Homo Erectus Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:30:00 - [77] Originally by: Seth Quantix KIAEddz the confused american soilder "Last in - first out" Hi. I don't care if we're in the same alliance or not. I hate that crap ^^ American, British, Swedish, it doesn't fk'n matter. And at least Eddz isn't throwing the same CCP conspiracy crap around as everyone else we're massacring. A POV is a POV. It's not factual math.
Zethura Gravis Corp	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:41:00 - [78] Originally by: Yersinia Pest1s Edited by: Yersinia Pest1s on 30/09/2008 16:32:08 Edited by: Yersinia Pest1s on 30/09/2008 16:30:40 Originally by: KIAEddZ Edited by: KIAEddZ on 30/09/2008 11:32:43 People say that we shouldn't jump in 600 to face 450.... what choice do we have, are people suggesting the first person to get 400+ in local wins by default.. Ummmm...perhaps make them jump into you? Oh wait...they wouldn't do that because, well tbh they don't fail. And Zethura, what precisely is wrong with testing game mechanics on sisi? That IS what it is for after all. It's hard to play the game if you don't the rules, faulting BoB for reading the rule book (testing on SiSi) will never get you anywhere. testing for ways to lag out the enemy and bs like that, that's the way to play a game is it?
Cyrana Bergerac nicomedes inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:50:00 - [79] Whatever the enemies of BOB say, it is their own fault, if they get slaughtered while they look on a black screen. It was always like that, it will be always like that. Do you really think, it will change after all that time, all that battles, which have been fought and lost from various alliances against BOB before? If you still join a mass capital battle against BOB and expect something like a win, a playable situation, you are simply a moron, who deserves to lose your ship like always and of course no reinbursement for you.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:50:00 - [80] Dunno, we certainly weren't crying. We didn't lose anything compared to what the NC lost and that's pretty obvious. TS with KIA and DAI was pretty chill even after the node crash. I doubt out of the 100 on our TS that even 3 ppl saw any grid for at least 2hrs after the node crashed. Before I warped to the POS I had taken 2 DD's and looking back there realy were not many wrecks (I think 3-4 whites only) so don't blame eddz for saying that as I saw the same. Obviously it might have been lag but well, with the setup we chose we could easily withstand 2 DD's (I know I did). Now if that setup was up for the task, you can't say cause you didn't know our plans Looking at the killboard it looks (and is) terrible tbh . I have to say though that even with all that, the game was very very playable upto the node crash. I was very surprised and I heard the same from most on then. We might be onto something here

Bobbechk The Priory	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:50:00 - [81] Originally by: KIAEddZ Edited by: KIAEddZ on 30/09/2008 11:32:43 ... Reports of 470 Bob in M-O inc 90 Caps and 5 Titans. ... 1140 people in local .... Node crash. .... Node crash ... looks surprised
Yersinia Pest1s Caldari eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:54:00 - [82] I agree that may not be the best tactic or the most honourable, but if you know how to do it (if in fact that is what they tested, which I don't fully believe) then you will know how to counter it.
Goose Hypocrisy The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:55:00 - [83] You know it's fun and all to troll BoB on CAOD but you NC dudes need to stop whining and start learning how the game works already.
pacifica Dark Ashes Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:25:00 - [84] Nice report Edd for my part 5 year in eve world and CCP never bring what it was supposed.... We all wish to see this game grow and get better but the real thing is WHEN it will happend all the stuff they add all the new feature .... and what they forget is What we will need to bring as number to counter it... I miss the old day of eve...
Wotlankor KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:38:00 - [85] Edited by: Wotlankor on 30/09/2008 17:40:18 Originally by: Homo Erectus And at least Eddz isn't throwing the same CCP conspiracy crap around as everyone else we're massacring. A POV is a POV. It's not factual math. God its nice to see a real post between all the crap. Ofcource we percieve the battle from different sides. Thank you ! Lets cut the conspiracy. CCP build a game we enjoy (some may enjoy it too much and should check out the new release of RL) but never the less they are a professional company that want to maintain a pro***ble business. Can they do that and enjoy it at the same time they are most successfull. Someone sugested that we should go siege a system that BoB was not in. I play this game for the pew pew, not to go siege a system while the enemy is in another. Yes, maybe we could then provoke BoB to jump into our "digged in camp", but that aint my idea of fun. To sum up: - I dont get the anger most of you guys display. - Lets have some fun fights. - You dont win EVE, you play it. - Now go play the game we enjoy and spend to much time and money on. Fly safe all o/ Edit: P r o f i t t a b l e** is a no no word ?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:54:00 - [86] Originally by: Zethura The exploits i'm talking about are ones like the BM copying ones You mean the one that your previous BFF RA made famous? The one that isn't viable since about two years or so because of BM copying limitations? Originally by: Zethura the cap gate spamming ones Not sure I understand you here. Are you saying it's an exploit to have caps at gates? In that case the NC where certainly exploiting big time yesterday judging from the position of all those cap wrecks. Originally by: Zethura and any other one's you may of found while "testing" sisi. Are you saying BoB isn't really testing anything on sisi? What are you suggesting they are doing? Is it an exploit to use sisi (the test server) to see how the game reacts under certain circumstances, like high lag situations? Is sisi not open for all players to test stuff? I don't get what's exploitive about that. Originally by: Zethura If people knew the tips THERE WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. So, you're saying BoB knows stuff about the game after learning it on sisi. This stuff is super sekret, and nobody else knows about it. Noone is able to perform their own tests on sisi. We all know BoB have know these things becuase we all know they do. The reason we know they know is that we know they know. We don't need evidence to know that we know that they know. Originally by: Zethura My stuff is staying in my account and even if i did quit why would i use my stuff to fund a coalition that plays the game like BoB do. I never asked for your stuff. I asked you to quit the game. Originally by: Zethura Who knows what crashed the node the only people who know are CCP and like always with one of these events they dont directly respond they only delete and ignore comments about their bias. Seriously, I will ask you again, and I pleade to whatever small measure of common sense you have: What crashed the node? The 350 GBC already in the system, apparently almost unaffected by server instability, or the 600+ NC people that jumped in just as the node crashed. It's a simple dual-choice question.
Zethura Gravis Corp	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:03:00 - [87] @ Maximillian Bayonette firstly post with you main have some balls. Second the sisi "testing" where you go to find problems with the programming then use that to tip battles through lag or whatever is that how you should be playing a game? And no i didn't mean caps on gates i ment something else which appon examination of the forum rules i can't make public but lets say BoB have again been know to use this to cause more lag than would otherwise be experienced. and like i've said over and over but it still doesn't seem to go in is i dont know what crashed the node i dont have the access to the info that CCP had or maybe you could tell us what it is GBC do to create lag.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:21:00 - [88] Originally by: Zethura ...or maybe you could tell us what it is GBC do to create lag. We shoot ships..... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:33:00 - [89] Edited by: Moonlight Express on 30/09/2008 18:34:21 Originally by: Zethura And no i didn't mean caps on gates i ment something else which appon examination of the forum rules i can't make public but lets say BoB have again been know to use this to cause more lag than would otherwise be experienced. So are you saying that you are petitioning BoB for using this exploit that you cannot reveal on forums and we'll see all members of BoB banned from EVE for doing this soon? Or are you just throwing bullshit to the wind hoping it will stick?
Zethura Gravis Corp	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:37:00 - [90] Originally by: Moonlight Express Edited by: Moonlight Express on 30/09/2008 18:34:21 Originally by: Zethura And no i didn't mean caps on gates i ment something else which appon examination of the forum rules i can't make public but lets say BoB have again been know to use this to cause more lag than would otherwise be experienced. So are you saying that you are petitioning BoB for using this exploit that you cannot reveal on forums and we'll see all members of BoB banned from EVE for doing this soon? Or are you just throwing bullshit to the wind hoping it will stick? If you dont know it your one of the few you shouldn't expect people to have to spell everything out for you.

Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:41:00 - [91] Edited by: Moonlight Express on 30/09/2008 18:43:06 Originally by: Zethura Originally by: Moonlight Express Edited by: Moonlight Express on 30/09/2008 18:34:21 Originally by: Zethura And no i didn't mean caps on gates i ment something else which appon examination of the forum rules i can't make public but lets say BoB have again been know to use this to cause more lag than would otherwise be experienced. So are you saying that you are petitioning BoB for using this exploit that you cannot reveal on forums and we'll see all members of BoB banned from EVE for doing this soon? Or are you just throwing bullshit to the wind hoping it will stick? If you dont know it your one of the few you shouldn't expect people to have to spell everything out for you. So are you saying that you know this exploit, BoB uses it and you do not? How is it an exploit and if it is why is BoB allowed to use it after you petitioned it? Why are you not using it yourself or are you? Please explain. I'm a noob and need to have it spelled out to me please. I would like to know how to do this myself. Feel free to eve mail me since you can't say on the forums.
Zethura Gravis Corp	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:49:00 - [92] Originally by: Moonlight Express Edited by: Moonlight Express on 30/09/2008 18:43:06 Originally by: Zethura Originally by: Moonlight Express Edited by: Moonlight Express on 30/09/2008 18:34:21 Originally by: Zethura And no i didn't mean caps on gates i ment something else which appon examination of the forum rules i can't make public but lets say BoB have again been know to use this to cause more lag than would otherwise be experienced. So are you saying that you are petitioning BoB for using this exploit that you cannot reveal on forums and we'll see all members of BoB banned from EVE for doing this soon? Or are you just throwing bullshit to the wind hoping it will stick? If you dont know it your one of the few you shouldn't expect people to have to spell everything out for you. So are you saying that you know this exploit, BoB uses it and you do not? How is it an exploit and if it is why is BoB allowed to use it after you petitioned it? Why are you not using it yourself or are you? Please explain. I'm a noob and need to have it spelled out to me please. I would like to know how to do this myself. Feel free to eve mail me since you can't say on the forums. 1. that's not the way i play the game i think dirty tactics ruin the game and take all the fun from it 2. I currently dont have the cap to do the exploit with even if i wanted to 3. I dont petition it cos i truly doubt any action would be taken look at a well known example of BoB getting caught cheating, t20 what action was taken here did it turn out well for the whistle blower?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:54:00 - [93] Originally by: Zethura @ Maximillian Bayonette firstly post with you main have some balls. I am posting with my main. Post with your main. Originally by: Zethura Second the sisi "testing" where you go to find problems with the programming then use that to tip battles through lag or whatever is that how you should be playing a game? I think that's an excellent useage of the test server. Test how the game works without it actually costing you anything but time. Are you saying that you think that because BoB have organized tests on sisi, that makes them exploiters just because you can't be assed to do so? I'd call that lazy on your part tbh. Originally by: Zethura And no i didn't mean caps on gates i ment something else which appon examination of the forum rules i can't make public but lets say BoB have again been know to use this to cause more lag than would otherwise be experienced. Ah, so it's one of those things where you know they did something wrong, but you can't tell us what they did that was wrong? I'd say you're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears, mate. You're like a turd wrapped in tin-foil. Looks kind of like a shish-kebab, but tastes like crap. Originally by: Zethura and like i've said over and over but it still doesn't seem to go in is i dont know what crashed the node i dont have the access to the info that CCP had or maybe you could tell us what it is GBC do to create lag. Well, I do know what crashed the server. Everyone who has a functioning brain knows exactly what caused it. When you jump 600 people into an empty system you're lucky if the node holds. If you jump 600 people into a system with 350 people already in it the node is going to implode. It's common sense, something which you're obviously lacking. In short, the NC caused the node crash. Not the GBC as was your original claim.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:56:00 - [94] Originally by: KIAEddZ Most BS are Dual DD resistant. Sorry. If your BS is dual DD resistant, then your BS is fitted like crap and deserves to die. The only exception of a BS that can be well fitted and dual DD resistant that I have ever seen is my old Navy Apoc. -- Billion Isk Mission
the Poet Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:58:00 - [95] Originally by: Zethura am full of $hit Free edit and translation fee.
Kittara Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:05:00 - [96] Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: KIAEddZ Most BS are Dual DD resistant. Sorry. If your BS is dual DD resistant, then your BS is fitted like crap and deserves to die. The only exception of a BS that can be well fitted and dual DD resistant that I have ever seen is my old Navy Apoc. Surprised? KIA and crap setup are inseparable.
Zethura Gravis Corp	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:08:00 - [97] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Zethura @ Maximillian Bayonette firstly post with you main have some balls. I am posting with my main. Post with your main. Originally by: Zethura Second the sisi "testing" where you go to find problems with the programming then use that to tip battles through lag or whatever is that how you should be playing a game? I think that's an excellent useage of the test server. Test how the game works without it actually costing you anything but time. Are you saying that you think that because BoB have organized tests on sisi, that makes them exploiters just because you can't be assed to do so? I'd call that lazy on your part tbh. Originally by: Zethura And no i didn't mean caps on gates i ment something else which appon examination of the forum rules i can't make public but lets say BoB have again been know to use this to cause more lag than would otherwise be experienced. Ah, so it's one of those things where you know they did something wrong, but you can't tell us what they did that was wrong? I'd say you're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears, mate. You're like a turd wrapped in tin-foil. Looks kind of like a shish-kebab, but tastes like crap. Originally by: Zethura and like i've said over and over but it still doesn't seem to go in is i dont know what crashed the node i dont have the access to the info that CCP had or maybe you could tell us what it is GBC do to create lag. Well, I do know what crashed the server. Everyone who has a functioning brain knows exactly what caused it. When you jump 600 people into an empty system you're lucky if the node holds. If you jump 600 people into a system with 350 people already in it the node is going to implode. It's common sense, something which you're obviously lacking. In short, the NC caused the node crash. Not the GBC as was your original claim. Firstly this is my main. Second your very full off shit on this for someone who doesn't have a GBC main. Thirdy no i dont spend all day on sisi looking for exploits mainly cos clearly unlike some here i have a life outside of eve. As for me being full of shit i really couldn't care less what someone like you says or thinks about me plenty of people in eve know i'm right and BoB exploit.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:20:00 - [98] Originally by: Zethura Firstly this is my main. Well, woop-de-frigging-do. Originally by: Zethura Second your very full off shit on this for someone who doesn't have a GBC main. So I'm full of shit because I don't have a GBC main, but you're not full of shit despite you typing a bunch of shit posts full of shit d**d in tin-foil-hattery and outright fabrications? How old are you? 12? Originally by:** Zethura Thirdy no i dont spend all day on sisi looking for exploits mainly cos clearly unlike some here i have a life outside of eve. First, I find that very hard to believe, and secondly, it doesn't matter if you call all of the GBC nerds. They may or may not have a life. The point is they are using the test server in an intended manner, and that the test server is open for everyone else to use as well. In short, all your so called 'arguments' are shot to pieces. Originally by: Zethura As for me being full of shit i really couldn't care less what someone like you says or thinks about me plenty of people in eve know i'm right and BoB exploit. Awww shucks... Why don't you cry some more. I'm sure you and "plenty of people" in Eve can form some sort of support group and listen to each other's stories about how you where touched by uncle BoB. God dammit, there are some really pathetic people in this community.
Dragoon Oblivion	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:28:00 - [99] Edited by: Dragoon Oblivion on 30/09/2008 19:30:08 WhatÆs with everyone thinking the only way to deal with a defended position is with a head on assault? Superior numbers just means heavier losses in this case. Ever heard of the phrase "the best defense is a good offense"? MAX is rolling through your space destroying everything; "letÆs attack them when they have the defending advantage!"... so they got your system, your fault for letting them get that far. If you want to turn the tides, attack their home systems maybe? BoB would have to pull back to defend itself... is this not obvious to everyone?
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:39:00 - [100] Originally by: Dragoon Oblivion Edited by: Dragoon Oblivion on 30/09/2008 19:30:08 WhatÆs with everyone thinking the only way to deal with a defended position is with a head on assault? Superior numbers just means heavier losses in this case. Ever heard of the phrase "the best defense is a good offense"? MAX is rolling through your space destroying everything; "letÆs attack them when they have the defending advantage!"... so they got your system, your fault for letting them get that far. If you want to turn the tides, attack their home systems maybe? BoB would have to pull back to defend itself... is this not obvious to everyone? That would require tactics, logistics, competence, dedication, determination and skill. It's much easier to cry hax on the forums. The truth will set you free

Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:52:00 - [101] I THINK I FOUND THE PROBLEM LOCAL: 968
Car Wars Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:02:00 - [102] Originally by: Carin K Originally by: Gamesguy Quote: Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB. Local is 80% bob indeed. I believe I have made my point. posts unrelated screenshots idiots rush to tell him he has won the thread (in your screenie there are 631 people in local, in his account, he is talking about a time when only 130 are there, shut up, tia) lol with 631 in local how many do you think are NC when bob had a maximu fleet of 350 to 400? Not all bob could log in back either, worst case the numbers were equal. After the node crash both fleets got to log back in at their last session change in system. This killed NC, they had to log back in at the gate where the fight and lag was, bob got to log in at their pos. Cyno-ing in at a gate to begin with is pretty stupid.
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:15:00 - [103] Edited by: Khorian on 30/09/2008 20:19:51 Originally by: Zethura 1. The first time was when BoB blobbed the system from low sec the node went down so then the NC sniper fleet covering the gate with cap support was not able to log back in til after BoB. 2.I dont know it could of been load or it could of been one of the exploits used to create lag used to and extreme to kill the node. 3. It wouldn't supprise me if BoB have tips from the Devs about how to log in first. Information not given to the rest of us therefore an unfair advantage 4. Their total arrogance when it comes to their abilities in game probably led them to beleave they could win fair and square 5. Since seeing BoB exploits used and the inaction of CCP on the matter i havn't pew pew'd in 0.0 cos the game there is no fun with this sort of bs happening. And they make it so obvious they exploit with comments like "we test the game mechanics on sisi", hmm wonder what they're looking for. Bow down to your gods, Infidel. Don't fight the truth, don't look for excuses, don't draw your own false conclusions. Accept the truth: BoB are our gods, your gods, and you are living only because you are not significant enough to be removed from existance by them, yet. Enjoy your remaining time in this universe, because one day... one nice day they will come down from their heavenly thrones to crush you, should you ever be brave enough to lift your guns against them. And when that fine day comes, pray that anyone will have mercy on your souls. Because they won't! Amen --- My EvE Story Blog
Goose Hypocrisy The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:33:00 - [104] Wow, now THAT'S a terrible post. -clp gotta update dat sig
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:40:00 - [105] obligatory Originally by: Zethura ... BoB exploit. Your mum. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:41:00 - [106] Originally by: Dianabolic obligatory Originally by: Zethura ... BoB exploit. Your mum. was sworn to...
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Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:26:00 - [109] Originally by: Dianabolic obligatory Originally by: Zethura ... BoB exploit. My mum. I did her and to be honest i have had alot better. Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Navigator
Eskalin Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:27:00 - [110] Originally by: Zethura people in eve know i'm right and BoB exploit. we use black magic, sorcery, bestiality, necromancy and a bit of child sacrifice to induce favorable conditions for fleet fights. people in eve are proud of you If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized

Hangman69 Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:55:00 - [111] Originally by: Eskalin Originally by: Zethura people in eve know i'm right and BoB exploit. we use black magic, sorcery, bestiality, necromancy and a bit of child sacrifice to induce favorable conditions for fleet fights. people in eve are proud of you And I also use genetic manipulation, transgenic implantation, fetal stem cells, adult stem cells, selective breeding and electroporation. P.S. and i also have a http://www.hellokittyonline.com/us/ founder account, yay!!
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:01:00 - [112] Originally by: KIAEddZ Those screenshots prove what exactly? The 2 points he is contesting are that when local was at 130 it was about/circa 80% BoB... he shsows local at 640 or summin.. Other one shows what looks like 100 yellow wrecks on gate.. and not a single "white" 1, supposedly show sthat the DD's were highly succesful. My Recount of the events are factual from the pov of view of events that unfolded on KIA TS and the AARs after on our forums. LMAO! you are so full of it ... "what do the screenshots prove? the first proves you are full of crap, as the DD killed about 100 fleet ships. The second taken roughly 10 minutes after the node crash shows NC has more people on the gate .... ie. not 60:9 which is the odds you quote. Those screenshots prove that you have no idea about large fleet fights, they prove in the grand scheme of things the NC were outplayed in positioning when they came into m-o. They prove the NC actually had the balls to come in and fight, but then lost all respect by crying that they lost because ..... because .... beacuse ... hell throw in any excuse you can grab onto. In truth out of all the whinge threads, most of them have come from TCF and KIA. Tis a sad day for carebears indeed. Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
El Muerte Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:06:00 - [113] Lets see. 1st time we jump into M-0 3 to 1 in favor of NC we were kicking they're ass. Same fight their dead pilots log out log back in had their ships replaced and sent us home. All ya heard was we kicked BOB and Friends Asses. Fine we go back regroup. Come back shoe is on the other foot. Now Bob are haxxorzzz. I don't get it. You had to know we were comming back ... why not just move your stuff to empire before we got there if you didn't want to lose it? For those of us that usually sit in the backround and laugh it all off as a good fight win or lose .... A toast to flying / fighting with ya it's been a blast.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:14:00 - [114] Eddz why do you think so many are getting bored and leaving eve? If you get your jollies from "winning" these kinds of fights then there is still fun to be had, otherwise its a case of trying to get some fun via roaming gangs as and when you can and just avoiding that kind of warfare, there are no epic fights in eve for the most part, its just who either gets lucky with the lag or knows enough about the game and systems to play them to their advantage.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:20:00 - [115] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Dragoon Oblivion Edited by: Dragoon Oblivion on 30/09/2008 19:30:08 WhatÆs with everyone thinking the only way to deal with a defended position is with a head on assault? Superior numbers just means heavier losses in this case. Ever heard of the phrase "the best defense is a good offense"? MAX is rolling through your space destroying everything; "letÆs attack them when they have the defending advantage!"... so they got your system, your fault for letting them get that far. If you want to turn the tides, attack their home systems maybe? BoB would have to pull back to defend itself... is this not obvious to everyone? That would require tactics, logistics, competence, dedication, determination and skill. It's much easier to cry hax on the forums. I think its more because people just cba with the effort involved especialy given that they have already seen how it would end. There is pretty much no-one else in eve that is dedicated enough to bother, this is kind of tough for you guys as you are not going to get the "epic" fights you seem to want, as for most people what you view as being fun most everyone else in eve views as a chore and immensely dull and something to be avoided wherever possible. Its keeping pressure of us so by all means keep it up but i think you are going to be disappointed if you want anything other than a lot of laggy victories out of this.
acabtr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:33:00 - [116] Eddz did you die in M_O? Must be with a cry thread somewhere was my first thought. Didnt take long to find you crying about the cheaters on the forums. Please come back again. you are a superior target! BTW everyone gets black screen just the ones that load follow clear direction in bob. Try a new tactic!!
Re Mi Caldari Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:42:00 - [117] Originally by: acabtr Eddz did you die in M_O? Must be with a cry thread somewhere was my first thought. Didnt take long to find you crying about the cheaters on the forums. Please come back again. you are a superior target! BTW everyone gets black screen just the ones that load follow clear direction in bob. Try a new tactic!! This was an accounting of the event. Whats wrong with that? Why are you so defensive about this? Back on Retainer. I am cheap but not easy.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.01 00:00:00 - [118] Edited by: Armoured C on 01/10/2008 00:04:21 Edited by: Armoured C on 01/10/2008 00:00:28 to who ever called GBC nerds = im a GBC nerd and proud of it and GBC nerd that got to work 2 14 hour shifts in 3 days so i am also a GBC nerd who wont be playing till the weekend who ever said that the singularity test server was for checking codes and bugs = your thinking of multiplicity, singularity is the standard test server where many people go to find out conbat solution for example the alliance tourney, get stragities and good ship combo's to everyone complaining of dev hax exploit= i dont think it is even possible to allow only certian access to people to allow bob first as to do this CCP would have to block you IP from the server meaning you wouldnt even see TQ online, to the fact that you were logged in and entering the game there isnt anything the server can do except balance the load, GBC had the advantage as all the loading assest were in place and as the newly joining force enter the server, the server couldnt handle the load and so crashed, inso doing making it longer to retreivwe the new info comming through about the newly joining while the GBC force already had the info on the node in question. also the screen shot in question put some doubt into the events that KIA described ( i say KIA and not KIA Eddz as he talk for his alliance being the executor of it) if anyone else wants questions awnsered please feel free to post some moar... but nothing like what is the meaning of life as ooh wait i just closed the book with the info in and didnt have a book mark in poasting rationality since i was born carebears are flying pinyatas my killboard stats [img]http://www.killboard.net/sigs/Armoured C/ht_16/sig.gif[/img
xeom Omniscient Order Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.01 00:07:00 - [119] Originally by: CamMan Originally by: KIAEddZ Those screenshots prove what exactly? The 2 points he is contesting are that when local was at 130 it was about/circa 80% BoB... he shsows local at 640 or summin.. Other one shows what looks like 100 yellow wrecks on gate.. and not a single "white" 1, supposedly show sthat the DD's were highly succesful. My Recount of the events are factual from the pov of view of events that unfolded on KIA TS and the AARs after on our forums. LMAO! you are so full of it ... "what do the screenshots prove? the first proves you are full of crap, as the DD killed about 100 fleet ships. The second taken roughly 10 minutes after the node crash shows NC has more people on the gate .... ie. not 60:9 which is the odds you quote. Possibly my understanding of node crash is wrong. Doesn't it mean EVERYONE got tossed? Because quite honestly, that screenshot has timestamps atleast 27 mins long.. and more before that. So your 10 min number is BS... Ofcourse, this is based on my definition of node crash. --- -Videos- Viciously Delicious
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.01 00:32:00 - [120] Originally by: xeom Possibly my understanding of node crash is wrong. Doesn't it mean EVERYONE got tossed? Because quite honestly, that screenshot has timestamps atleast 27 mins long.. and more before that. So your 10 min number is BS... Ofcourse, this is based on my definition of node crash. yes everyone get tossed, the node crashes, everyone on that node goes bye byes there isnt a magic keep GBC on a node which isnt working button nor is there a make GBC load faster than NC button either fornatually the NC are moaning about the node crash when it is themsleves who brought the node crash button when they decided with the last node crash of being 600-700 people on both side that they would bring that size of fleet with out consequence when previous fight with both sides in the previous big battle equal to just there fleet number. i really dont care what they say with bobhaxoring or what not but you know with all those ship losses on the FC of that failed task force. People want someone to blame and is easier for the FC to blame something which wasnt a factor with his/her commanding that to admit fault on there part and to try another approach instead of just doing the same thing and blobbing but you know what ever helps them sleep at night carebears are flying pinyatas my killboard stats [img]http://www.killboard.net/sigs/Armoured C/ht_16/sig.gif[/img

xeom Omniscient Order Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.01 00:35:00 - [121] Originally by: Armoured C Originally by: xeom Possibly my understanding of node crash is wrong. Doesn't it mean EVERYONE got tossed? Because quite honestly, that screenshot has timestamps atleast 27 mins long.. and more before that. So your 10 min number is BS... Ofcourse, this is based on my definition of node crash. yes everyone get tossed, the node crashes, everyone on that node goes bye byes there isnt a magic keep GBC on a node which isnt working button nor is there a make GBC load faster than NC button either fornatually the NC are moaning about the node crash when it is themsleves who brought the node crash button when they decided with the last node crash of being 600-700 people on both side that they would bring that size of fleet with out consequence when previous fight with both sides in the previous big battle equal to just there fleet number. i really dont care what they say with bobhaxoring or what not but you know with all those ship losses on the FC of that failed task force. People want someone to blame and is easier for the FC to blame something which wasnt a factor with his/her commanding that to admit fault on there part and to try another approach instead of just doing the same thing and blobbing but you know what ever helps them sleep at night I'm just calling out a Bob guys for Bullcrapping about a NC guy bullcrapping... because thats just bullcrap --- -Videos- Viciously Delicious
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.01 01:03:00 - [122] Some respect to Eddz for keeping his posts calm in here despite the early baiting, also to Homo Erectus who is happy to dish out crap to whoever deserves it despite the tag they wear. POV, is what it is.
Problematic one Minmatar The Doctorates	Posted - 2008.10.01 08:35:00 - [123] Originally by: xeom Originally by: Armoured C Originally by: xeom Possibly my understanding of node crash is wrong. Doesn't it mean EVERYONE got tossed? Because quite honestly, that screenshot has timestamps atleast 27 mins long.. and more before that. So your 10 min number is BS... Ofcourse, this is based on my definition of node crash. yes everyone get tossed, the node crashes, everyone on that node goes bye byes there isnt a magic keep GBC on a node which isnt working button nor is there a make GBC load faster than NC button either fornatually the NC are moaning about the node crash when it is themsleves who brought the node crash button when they decided with the last node crash of being 600-700 people on both side that they would bring that size of fleet with out consequence when previous fight with both sides in the previous big battle equal to just there fleet number. i really dont care what they say with bobhaxoring or what not but you know with all those ship losses on the FC of that failed task force. People want someone to blame and is easier for the FC to blame something which wasnt a factor with his/her commanding that to admit fault on there part and to try another approach instead of just doing the same thing and blobbing but you know what ever helps them sleep at night I'm just calling out a Bob guys for Bullcrapping about a NC guy bullcrapping... because thats just bullcrap Quoting bullcrap
Dipluz Caldari FroZen SoulS Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.10.01 08:59:00 - [124] Edited by: Dipluz on 01/10/2008 09:01:49 Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Dragoon Oblivion Edited by: Dragoon Oblivion on 30/09/2008 19:30:08 WhatÆs with everyone thinking the only way to deal with a defended position is with a head on assault? Superior numbers just means heavier losses in this case. Ever heard of the phrase "the best defense is a good offense"? MAX is rolling through your space destroying everything; "letÆs attack them when they have the defending advantage!"... so they got your system, your fault for letting them get that far. If you want to turn the tides, attack their home systems maybe? BoB would have to pull back to defend itself... is this not obvious to everyone? That would require tactics, logistics, competence, dedication, determination and skill. It's much easier to cry hax on the forums. Metal Dude, everyone knows Bob and the GBC is a bunch of guys with no life, we sit and play eve all day long ;) or is it just beacuse we use our jump clones ? I dont know
Don J Doom Guard	Posted - 2008.10.01 10:40:00 - [125] It's like Crufts in here. From an impartial perspective all Eddz has said is that the nodecrash ballsed up the fight, BoB appeared to manage the relog better & it's frustrating to be killed while blackscreened. Of course the hounds from both sides have fallen on it in a frothing frenzy. Whether Eddz should know better than to feed them with this kind of fodder is another matter. In any case i think Fitz is on the money here. Threads like these are the only enjoyment that comes from this sort of fight.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:35:00 - [126] This is a good sign, the more nc whines, the closer they are to kicking the bin :P (puts flame suit on) Awesome EVE history
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:49:00 - [127] cant... resist..... page 5 (first time i ever done that \o/ ) ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Vigilant Gallente Vigilant's Vigilante's	Posted - 2008.10.01 14:55:00 - [128] Did people miss their history class on World War One ? I mean seriosly, all head on attacks into fortified positions do is get you and your m8's DEAD !!! You some RL history can be applied even in a game
BobbySteelz Dirty Deedz	Posted - 2008.10.01 23:40:00 - [129] This "game" is over.
minermonkey KDM Corp	Posted - 2008.10.02 01:17:00 - [130] Taste those tears. ahahahah, lololol

Blitz'Krieg Caldari Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2008.10.02 06:10:00 - [131] Originally by: Dragoon Oblivion Edited by: Dragoon Oblivion on 30/09/2008 19:30:08 WhatÆs with everyone thinking the only way to deal with a defended position is with a head on assault? Superior numbers just means heavier losses in this case. Ever heard of the phrase "the best defense is a good offense"? MAX is rolling through your space destroying everything; "letÆs attack them when they have the defending advantage!"... so they got your system, your fault for letting them get that far. If you want to turn the tides, attack their home systems maybe? BoB would have to pull back to defend itself... is this not obvious to everyone? I strongly agree that worked really well for ASCN. Oh wait ..


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