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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:24:00 -
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KIA assembles fleet in MGAM.
100 BS + some anti support
Requests filter through to help NC in M-O
We want a fight, and its probably teh only place we will get one tonight, so we make ready.
TCF and Rebellion are bridged into MGAM
400 Local. 280 BS + Support.
Reports of 470 Bob in M-O inc 90 Caps and 5 Titans.
MGAM fleet is bridged into 15W
And we wait for NC to be ready.
Basic plan is a simple one.
Jump in, kill bubble and warp away, then back in to support the NC capitals and slug out what chould be an epic fight.
Most BS are Dual DD resistant.
Form up on M-O gate.
Wait.
I give the order for KIA to jump, and issue the order is given to TCF who follow suit.
NC bridge in and the battle begins.
Total module lag from the jumpins, we expected this, so no big deal.
Bubble isn't dying but many ships are out and clear of the bubble already and warping to the friendly pos.
Tick tock.
First Avatar arrives on grid about 60 seconds after jump in, first DD. Nothing much dies, as most support is out, and most BS can survive the dd without any real damage.
About 50% of the KIA fleet are now out of the bubble and safe in POS.
BoB bubble entry to pos.
Second Avatar arrives on grid.
Second DD. Not much dies again, more BoB support than anything as far as we can tell.
Bob caps arrive at pos.
Fight ensues on both gate and POS. Lag begins to clear, and considering there is at one point 1140 people in local, it is very playable.
Fight at POS looks to be going our way, fight at Gate BoB has control of.
Bob caps begin to warp to Gate.
KIA locks down 5 or 6 straggling Caps at pos, and beings to goto work. KIA anti support is ordered to the gate.
Node crash.
First KIA pilot logs in after 35 minutes of everyone looking at log in screen.
When he arrives at gate there are 6 friendlies and 34 hostiles.
Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB.
Local grows, about another 5 freindlies arrive at gate, about another 30 BoB. Local is at over 200 then
Node crash
Rinse and repeat. 4 hours later I call an end to it and we all log off. CCP refuse stuck petitions and refuse re imbureent. Std procedure I am sure. Server logs show nothing etc
KIA pilots attempt a few logins in the night, which ends in ship losses.
End situation is KIA fleet is trapped in M-O
Unable to log in because BoB have all points bubbled and camped.
What started of as a fun night, with an acceptable risk, due to node crashes and the blah, has left a decideldly bitter taste in KIAs mouth.
People say that we shouldn't jump in 600 to face 450.... what choice do we have, are people suggesting the first person to get 400+ in local wins by default..
we exoected to lose 20% on entry, that is an acceptable loss. We didnt expect to be looking at losing 80% after the fight ends and as the day meanders by.
gf BoB, well played and got it right as always, but without the node crash, the whole picture would of been hugely different, maybe you win, maybe you don't, but at least it would of been a fight not a turkey shoot of people looking at the entering game screen, no malice or anger directed at you in anyways, you are doing what any of us would do in same situation, but even the most emotionally stalwart of your folk has to be glad its not them on the receiving end of it.
So so close last night to what Eve has always promised, and for about 15 minutes it was nearly there, from node crash point onwards it was a unmittigating disaster, and not for the right reasons.
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BiggestT
Caldari
Space Oddysey
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:26:00 -
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lol fail harder..
I like molles version :P
Awesome EVE history
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Andreaz Kotz
Morne Attitude
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:26:00 -
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you're terrible please stop
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Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:30:00 -
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 Quote:
Nothing much dies, as most support is out, and most BS can survive the dd without any real damage.
Not much died to the DDs indeed.
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Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB.
Local is 80% bob indeed.
I believe I have made my point.
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Darth Sithus
Amarr
Beltinci UnderGround
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:31:00 -
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Boost NC and their superfriends
incase someone forgot: TORTUGAAAAAAA |
Horza Phelbas
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
KIA assembles fleet in MGAM.
Most BS are Dual DD resistant.
You know for a fact that is BS. |
thelung187
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:32:00 -
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Apparently they don't teach children to write in paragraphs in New Orleans schools. |
Minigin
eXceed Inc.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:33:00 -
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so basically what you are saying is i want my 600man gang to be able to roam around eve ripping up trees and chomping on peoples asses.
look im sorry to say this but you are seriously on the wrong side of the bluelist to be complaining about all this... the first super-coalition was formed to put down bob... what was anyone expecting? this game had 2 possible roads to head down. everyone would un-nap and realise that such large blobs where not fun, or continue doing it and force opposing forces to do the same.
also open your ts for extended dt. i want to berate somebody. preferably a goon but anyone will do atm. |
Kor Korenfield
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:39:00 -
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Lol at KiaeDdz thinking he and his team of weekend warriors actually are of any significance.
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Lord EmBra
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin
Edited by: Minigin on 30/09/2008 11:43:30
look im sorry to say this but you are seriously on the wrong side of the bluelist to be complaining about all this... the first super-coalition was formed to put down bob...
Wrong.
Hint: 01/04-2006 system: EC-P8R |
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Demon Barber
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:51:00 -
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Can I have your stuff ... and please close the door behind you.
Sir Molle is doing it better. |
Minigin
eXceed Inc.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lord EmBra
Originally by: Minigin
Edited by: Minigin on 30/09/2008 11:43:30
look im sorry to say this but you are seriously on the wrong side of the bluelist to be complaining about all this... the first super-coalition was formed to put down bob...
Wrong.
Hint: 01/04-2006 system: EC-P8R
ok ill make it a little more explicit seeing as the term SUPER has evaded your grasp.
- every major entity in the entire game blueing up to attack 1 alliance or coalition. bob + ascn pretty big, but not a super-duper-uber coalition. imo anyways. |
Firkragg
Blue Labs
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:53:00 -
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Basically the way i understand it these node crashes are indirectly related to the new stacklessIO implementation. As you said it is now playable to have 1000 people in one system which is pretty awesome. Unfortunately this has meant that the servers have a habit of running out of memory now since it is possible to get enough peoploe in system to max it out.
Now as far as i can see there is two options. Either make a lower artificial system cap which i think most people have agreed is a bad idea since it creates certain metatactics.
The other option is to work on the memory management to decrease memory use which is exactly what CCP is doing. Im expecting a server side patch soon to help with the memory related node crashs.
TBH though if its playable with 1000 in system i can wait to see how 200 vs 200 battles go now. |
Shardrael
Caldari
Titan Industries Technology Team
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lord EmBra
Originally by: Minigin
Edited by: Minigin on 30/09/2008 11:43:30
look im sorry to say this but you are seriously on the wrong side of the bluelist to be complaining about all this... the first super-coalition was formed to put down bob...
Wrong.
Hint: 01/04-2006 system: EC-P8R
truth
I havent even been here that long and I am not naive enough to assume that the goon bob fight claims all the firsts for the current mechanics and tactics employed in 0.0 warfare.
even were that the case remember that at the start of the turnaround in omist it was not just bob that was fighting against eve but it was bob plus all of their pets, amusingly enough they seemed to learn the lesson from that and no longer call people pets (atleast in the open) instead its the GBC... |
Szass Tam
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:55:00 -
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It's not the first time you make a fool of yourself EddZ, and you just did again.
Try to keep in mind you're the leader of an alliance, your members should want to look up to you, they should want to follow your lead, you should be an example ... and you're not.
Please stop posting.
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Maj'k Lootar
Trinity Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.30 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Szass Tam
It's not the first time you make a fool of yourself EddZ, and you just did again.
Try to keep in mind you're the leader of an alliance, your members should want to look up to you, they should want to follow your lead, you should be an example ... and you're not.
Please stop posting.
he is being an example... this is why so many people are blaming their failures on lagspoltation. |
Szass Tam
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Maj'k Lootar
he is being an example... this is why so many people are blaming their failures on lagspoltation.
You sir are in need of some more of my sig.
Stop bringing 700 ppl to fight 350, and stop blaming lag for your failures. If you do then please also give credit to lag for your successes aswell.
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mugaTUS
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.30 12:14:00 -
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A nice report instead of chest beating over winning a log in battle. :D
Love that people have to nit pick and try to pull apart anything but hey it's Caod. |
TentPegg
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.09.30 12:19:00 -
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I'm always glad to hear both sides of a story so cheers for posting. I've been on the recieving end of one of these node crashes and yeah...it ain;t much fun so my sympathy goes to those who lost ships without even being able to defend yourselves. Its one thing having your ship blown up, but its just a sad situation when there is nothing you can do about it apart from look at a black screen. Congrats to NC for making a stand and giving GBC a fight over M-O o7 |
Zethura
Gravis Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.30 12:25:00 -
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Nice operation report eddz helpful for all of us who weren't there to understand exactly what went on. As usual more BoB saying they rule the earth and are gods but we're all used to that now and can ignore it. TBH i cant see how CCP can say there was no problem in the system while people are losing ships after a node crash while not even logged in. |
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Punaineefor Gaius
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Posted - 2008.09.30 12:31:00 -
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Welcome to the suck. |
enjoi
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Quote:
Nothing much dies, as most support is out, and most BS can survive the dd without any real damage.
Not much died to the DDs indeed.
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Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB.
Local is 80% bob indeed.
I believe I have made my point.
I'm sorry but I have go to quote this before I go to work.
You're full of air, Eddz.
Gamesguy /thread |
Lord EmBra
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.30 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: Lord EmBra
Originally by: Minigin
Edited by: Minigin on 30/09/2008 11:43:30
look im sorry to say this but you are seriously on the wrong side of the bluelist to be complaining about all this... the first super-coalition was formed to put down bob...
Wrong.
Hint: 01/04-2006 system: EC-P8R
ok ill make it a little more explicit seeing as the term SUPER has evaded your grasp.
- every major entity in the entire game blueing up to attack 1 alliance or coalition. bob + ascn pretty big, but not a super-duper-uber coalition. imo anyways.
I knew you were going to reply just like that :)
2+ years ago a coalition able to get 600+ players into one system and camp it like that for a week could very much constitute as a "super" as you like to call it. |
Wladeck
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.30 12:37:00 -
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I Confirm Eddz POV.
one hour after node Crash on TCF's TS :
"Who is connected ?"
2 mates are log on nearly 150
"What is local status ?"
"280 on local with 5 to 1 for Bob. . ."
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Wladeck
I Confirm Eddz POV.
one hour after node Crash on TCF's TS :
"Who is connected ?"
2 mates are log on nearly 150
"What is local status ?"
"280 on local with 5 to 1 for Bob. . ."
This clearly means that the NC have to bring even moar friends next time, I¦m sure you will 
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Unfunny Alt
Anonymous Forumposters
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Posted - 2008.09.30 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
People say that we shouldn't jump in 600 to face 450.... what choice do we have, are people suggesting the first person to get 400+ in local wins by default..
Actually what they are saying is, when gbc gets 400+ in local they win by default 
And to the triguy asking about medium guns: you only put med guns on your bs if you fit for triple doomsday
Anyway, nice read, far less flamebait than some other OP's. The whole mess sounds as if it could have gone either way, perhaps a bit more in favour of NC, if the node didn't crash. Now lets see if the north can get back up. Afterall gbc did it a few times at the start of max, didn't they?
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Seth Quantix
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Posted - 2008.09.30 12:46:00 -
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you talk about setting BS up to survive doubble DD and wonder why you suck so much, ever tried warping away from them when the light starts to glow?
I love your crying threads, makes me happy.
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Levitikon
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Wladeck
I Confirm Eddz POV.
one hour after node Crash on TCF's TS :
"Who is connected ?"
2 mates are log on nearly 150
"What is local status ?"
"280 on local with 5 to 1 for Bob. . ."
You also killed 788924y42934702 titans, but ccp rollbacked them.
"I chickened out from the capital battle and left my friends on the grid to die, so I better say we were outnumbered 5 to 1. Sorry, but every target I shot at either warped out, or shoot me back, so I dare to say that if you were on grid, you were loaded. Also, some NC capital pilots simply warped to safespots in the middle of the fight, I'm pretty sure if I were one of them, I would be selling bullshit about 5 : 1, bobhaxes and premium eve clients, too.
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Archetype02
Gallente
Comply Or Die
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.09.30 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Archetype02 on 30/09/2008 13:02:47
Edited by: Archetype02 on 30/09/2008 13:02:28
Originally by: Seth Quantix
you talk about setting BS up to survive doubble DD and wonder why you suck so much, ever tried warping away from them when the light starts to glow?
I love your crying threads, makes me happy.
they where bubbled and probably where to dumb to fit mwd.
can i has cookie ?
besides posting with an alt bad..
and tcf fail.. like always fills me with joy.. send moar titans please!
btw i hoped you learbned your lesson from this TCF..
http://femaref.box23.de/gods_struktura.avi<3 i heart your stupid losses</a>
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Kai Zion
The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2008.09.30 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
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Nothing much dies, as most support is out, and most BS can survive the dd without any real damage.
Not much died to the DDs indeed.
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Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB.
Local is 80% bob indeed.
I believe I have made my point.
I think I'll believe the guy with the screenshots.  |
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