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DocDoo
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Posted - 2004.06.20 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: DocDoo on 26/06/2004 11:00:08
Edited by: DocDoo on 26/06/2004 10:59:36
www.BIG-EVE.com
Hello there
In our continued efforts to better the playing experience of all citizens in the EVE universe we in BIG have decided to conduct another "BIG Newbie Mining Event".
Our last (and also first) event of this sort was held on the 9th of April and was only publicized in a limited fashion on EVE-Radio, EVEGate and in local in-game on the day of the actual event. But nevertheless we still had a very positive response from the participants and so we have decided to try it again and this time invite a lot more participants, by advertising it well in advance and on a broader basis.
This is an event aimed at players new to EVE and by this we mean players not older than one month and still only piloting frigates.
If you pilot a cruiser or better, then this event is not for you, as you can no longer be considered a newbie in the strictest sense.
The event is a mining event where BIG will help newbies mine Omber efficiently in the asteroid belts of a 0.5 system by having combat pilots present to remove threatening NPCs and hauler pilots to purchase the ore mined by the newbies directly from their jettison cargo containers.
This will allow even the newest EVE player to participate and earn a decent income of around 340,000 isk every hour he or she participates.
BIG will earn around 40k isk an hour for each participant earning 340k isk (read more in the detailed event description).
This estimate for the possible earnings of a participant is based on the following. - We will pay 36isk for each Omber unit mined by a participant
- A participant using 2 Miner1 lasers with his Mining skill at level 4 will be able to mine 9600 units of Omber in an hour (a participant using 2 Miner2 lasers will of course make twice that amount)
- The participant can mine continuously as the mined ore will be purchased directly from him
The event will take place on Saturday the 26th of June in a solar system with 0.5 security status close to the centre of the universe. It will begin right after downtime and last for at least 12 hours depending on the availability of BIG pilots to support it.
The event takes place in the system called Stegette.
The best way to travel there is to set your first waypoint to Ardene and then secound waypoint to Stegette.
If you want to participate or simply know more about the event and how it will be conducted, you can read the detailed event description here - BIG Mining Event (this page will also work in the in-game browser) or join us in our in-game channel "BIG" or the event specific channel called "BIG Mining".
I hope to see as many as possible of you newbies at the event on Saturday! 
I will update this post with the exact location of the event shortly before downtime, so check back here right after downtime and join the "BIG Mining" channel in-game.
If you plan on participating please post a short hello here, so we know a bit about how many of you newbies who read the posts here will participate.
Regards
DocDoo û BIG û President of Industry & Science
BIG also run two other on-going events.
The BIG Lottery - The longest running lottery in EVE, current first prize 1 billion isk.
The BIG Deal - A highly successful Battleship BPo share scheme. |
Trooper Boc
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Posted - 2004.06.24 09:05:00 -
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Hello. i'd like 2 come along  , but will be afew hrs after DT on saturday. i'll chat 2 u in-game and in 'BIG Mining' channel
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DocDoo
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Posted - 2004.06.24 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: DocDoo on 24/06/2004 10:08:32
 Originally by: Trooper Boc
Hello. i'd like 2 come along , but will be afew hrs after DT on saturday. i'll chat 2 u in-game and in 'BIG Mining' channel
That's no problem. You can join at any point during the day, stay for as long as you'd like and take as many breaks as you want to.
/DocDoo - BIG - President of Science & Industry |
William Konrad
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Posted - 2004.06.24 11:15:00 -
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Hi Sounds like a good idea let me know if u need an extra person to help the newbies out as i can come along and help guard in my megathron.
Cheers
Will
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Nebulai
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Posted - 2004.06.24 17:15:00 -
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Sounds good for the new players :)
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Nebulai
Vice-Admiral Events Team
Interstellar Services Department
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number 258
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Posted - 2004.06.24 20:46:00 -
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this sounds interesting, can i come along even if i'm not a newbie anymore? (6 months now... )
long live the Taranis!!!
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Super Spike
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Posted - 2004.06.24 22:27:00 -
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sounds like fun might come along if im not busy if u need any one to guarde noobs
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Sleepy Dane
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Posted - 2004.06.24 23:37:00 -
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I would love to come along.....well Im half newb, half experienced, but helping newbs is my hobby!!!! Can you sign up-----------> go mine------->give the ore to the newbies JCCs???? if not I'll be piloting around looking for--------> keep reading
Its great!! I'll be telling ppl from the start-corp im in that they could go there.
Sadly: the reason as for knowing about this came ingame----> I heard pirates would note the place and camp surrounding nodes for evil kills on defence-less miners.....thats evil, but also shows the newbies that this is a cool challenging game
I'll be joining in my rupture with 4 Miner IIs/Medium guns if I can make it (have work at saturday too :S)
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Super Spike
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Posted - 2004.06.25 13:19:00 -
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Barmalie is a good 0.5 system with loads of omber if u want to mine there.
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Miner Aiden
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Posted - 2004.06.25 13:31:00 -
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Hey DocDoo, I run a small Newbie training corp to help train new comers, would you mind talking to me ingame or mailing me too talk about details too see if i can get some of my students too come.
Thanks 'miner aiden'
PP General Stargazer
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toeslammer
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Posted - 2004.06.25 13:55:00 -
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I'll be there! Looking forward to making a few extra ISK's
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DocDoo
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Posted - 2004.06.25 16:01:00 -
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@William Konrad: Thanks for the offer. At this point I believe I have sufficient corp. members available to help, but if that changes IÆll be more than happy if I can convo you in-game and request your assistance.
@Number 258: In this event out focus is on the newbies, so we are no able to service anyone else. You are welcome to join us in the system where the event will be held and mine along side the rest of us, I only ask that you refrain from mining the Omber in the belts where the newbies mine as tomorrowÆs event is for them.
@Super Spike: If you are still so ônewbieshö that you only have a frigate to fly you are welcome to join us mining. If you have already graduated to cruisers then I would like to be able to convo you during the day if the need arises for additional security.
@Sleepy Dane: As I told Number 258 we will not be able to service non-newbies as we want to focus our attention on them. But like him you are welcome to come and mine alongside us as long as you keep your lasers off the Omber. If after mining you feel like donating some or all of what you have mined to the newbies then we might be able to work something out where we buy the ore from you and split the proceeds among attending newbies.
@Miner Aiden/General Stargazer: It wonÆt be a problem for us to have any of your students join the event as long as they fit the criteria for attendance (must be newbies and only piloting frigates). I canÆt reveal the name of the system where the event will be held yet for security reasons.
Regarding the Pirate threat mentioned by Sleepy Dane: I would like to say to any pirates contemplating disrupting this event: Please donÆt bother.
The people attending this are really new to EVE, they have no isk and no ships with any interesting cargo or modules you can rob, so the only thing youÆll accomplish by killing them and/or their ships is to discourage them from continuing their subscription after the 1 month of free play.
There is no honor or reward to be had here, instead try to gank some of the transports going to and from the alliance controlled areas of the universe.
/DocDoo - BIG - President of Science & Industry |
space fox
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Posted - 2004.06.25 18:37:00 -
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ive just got into a osprey, but if i mine in a frig i can make more: am less than six months playing: am i eligible?
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Mephorios
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Posted - 2004.06.25 18:53:00 -
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Oooh oooh, I smell the nerf bat coming for that battleship pic.
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King Kill33
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Posted - 2004.06.25 19:20:00 -
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If you have any problems with PC pirates, contact me ingame and I'd be happy to provide a couple of hours on patrol. My Raven's been itchin for the peg-legs' blood lately
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DocDoo
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Posted - 2004.06.25 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: DocDoo on 25/06/2004 22:06:14
Edited by: DocDoo on 25/06/2004 22:04:45
Originally by: space fox
ive just got into a osprey, but if i mine in a frig i can make more: am less than six months playing: am i eligible?
If your best option to make isk is still to use a frigate then yes, I consider you eligible.
As I have said earlier, this is an event primarily aimed at giving people new to EVE a "leg up", so no showing up in cruisers and expecting to be serviced anyway. 
/DocDoo - BIG - President of Science & Industry |
Marsys
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Posted - 2004.06.26 01:32:00 -
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Will be showing up in my punisher. No question, I'm a noob and I appreciate your efforts to help us out, I will attend
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2004.06.26 05:26:00 -
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hmmm, seems BIG is once again a BIG brown noser to CCP. have fun.
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Grund'Rhun
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Posted - 2004.06.26 07:00:00 -
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Edited by: Grund'Rhun on 26/06/2004 07:19:09
I'm new in EVE, and *ding* it is in third day event just for me :)
I hope that'll be easier to me to start and buy expensive skills... :]
I like this game :D
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King Dave
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Posted - 2004.06.26 07:05:00 -
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If u want to could i come haul for the newbies? I have an iteron mk 5 with lots and lots of cargo..... or is there no need?
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DocDoo
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Posted - 2004.06.26 11:01:00 -
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Initial post has been updated, set your destination to Stegette through Ardene. See you all there!
/DocDoo - BIG - President of Science & Industry |
Rendo
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Posted - 2004.06.26 11:38:00 -
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Woo! Go you guys!
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Soren
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Posted - 2004.06.26 17:52:00 -
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Isn't this a big "come here for ore" beacon for ore theives?
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.06.26 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulai
Sounds good for the new players :)
Sounds good for BIG you mean?
With the current mineral prices, one batch (500 units of omber) is worth about 25k, big buying at 34 unit for raw omber, making 17k for a batch. BIG net a profit of 8k pr batch. Acording to the event text, if a newb mine 9600 units of omber a hour, thats a bit more than 19 batches. But to round it down, that net over 150k a hour in profit for BIG pr newb.
Wake up call.. mineral/ore prices isnt what they was pre-castor. If you want to do a event for the new players DO IT RIGHT, pay them what its worth. It make me angry to see such, and even supported by ISD. Do you guys even play the game?
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Princess Ardalla
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Posted - 2004.06.26 21:40:00 -
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I think BIG is doing a nice service for newbies and wish to commend them. As for BIG making a little profit here keep in mind they are supplying the haulers (which would normally eat into a miners profits) so the miners can mine non-stop. They are also providing instant payment so the newbies don't have to run around looking for buyers. They are providing sale at a high refine level which newbies wouldnt have.
They are also (after reading thier webpage) providing protection from NPC's and offering for sale newbie ships and supplies in the affected systems so a newbie could even buy a new ship while there.
I think its a good idea for a player event. Keep in mind BIG calling it an "event" doesn't make it a CCP or ISD sanctioned event. ISD hasn't indicated any official support for this other then the Jovian guy saying its a good idea.
BIG has an excellent reputation and while I've never been a member I've been around since BETA and along with a few other long-time corps they are one of the most respected corps in EVE.
Princess Ardalla
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Lord Grim
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Posted - 2004.06.26 22:50:00 -
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Jus tliek to point out, from this BIG will make pennies in comparison to other large corps in 0.0 or if they did theyre own BS mining op.
Go new-players ! :)
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Claark
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Posted - 2004.06.26 23:59:00 -
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I dont care what they can sell it for. I can sit there and mine..they take it from me and pay me. It's like a drive up Pawn shop, but I dont have to drive anywhere. All I do is sit there and mine.
This was/is (still going on) a great event for us noobies. Thanks BIG and everyone else who was there. I met some great people. Had a good time...learned a little bit...and made $$$
I would love to see more events like this. This was great!
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Sofie
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Posted - 2004.06.27 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Sounds good for BIG you mean?
With the current mineral prices, one batch (500 units of omber) is worth about 25k, big buying at 34 unit for raw omber, making 17k for a batch. BIG net a profit of 8k pr batch. Acording to the event text, if a newb mine 9600 units of omber a hour, thats a bit more than 19 batches. But to round it down, that net over 150k a hour in profit for BIG pr newb.
Wake up call.. mineral/ore prices isnt what they was pre-castor. If you want to do a event for the new players DO IT RIGHT, pay them what its worth. It make me angry to see such, and even supported by ISD. Do you guys even play the game?
Sorry, but you calculation is wrong.
At first, your prices are wrong. You have to calc with the prices where the mining takes place, not the highest mineral prices at the strip mined highway systems with no omber in 5 jumps distance.
Even if you calc with expensive 2 isk for trit, 5 isk for pyr and 65 isk for isogen and zero waste at refining (i.e. high standing at the refinery corp), you will come to only 21,1k isk per batch (500 omber).
Secondly, you forgot all the work the B.I.G. pilots have to do.
The B.I.G. bought the ore already from the container, thus providing the hauling AND the defense in the system. And with such an unorganized mining and the difficult payout system the industrial pilots can't use instant pickup bookmarks very much and need therfore a lot more time per run. I calc therefore the profit of B.I.G. was about 500k per hour and pilot. Thats rather poor and shows clearly the intention: to help the newbies. Cause for skilled players its easy to make >=1 mio ISK per hour, for instance already with thorax plagioclase mining in 0.8+.
If somebody doesn't believe me, organize a newbie mining with same rules and prizes yourself. You will see the (poor) result per hauler/defender then yourself.
Btw I have nothing to do with B.I.G., I wasnt there and I dont get supported by them. But i can calc.
Eve sucks, rl sucks. I don't complain, i play.
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Inara Brey
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Posted - 2004.06.27 02:54:00 -
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I read about this event about 24 hours too late to have a chance to train Mining up to level 4 and wondered how good it would be without it ...
Well, I spent almost 12 hours playing the BIG Mining Event, and learned tons of things about the ships, the methods of defense, basic large scale organisation, not so endeering terms for "Ore Thiefs" and much much more. On top of it all, it was fun and supremally relaxed. I also made enough cash to buy a boat-load of Skills, another ship and I got to pick the bones of all those silly Serpentis that tried to hurt us.
I think this proves that well equipped "Elite" players and a bunch of Newbies in basic gear can play well together for both fun and profit. Unlike many MMORPG or somesuch.
Heck, I hope BIG got as much out of this event as I did. CCP certainly will, as I become a paying customer soon. This was a million times better introduction to the EVE universe then even the early tutorials. This kickstarted my EVE experience.
Thanks BIG. I'm going to remain "little" for now, but I know what can be done when I aim "BIG".
Cheers,
Inara Brey
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Kalathmir
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Posted - 2004.06.27 03:37:00 -
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/me sheds a tear
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Ramone
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Posted - 2004.06.27 06:54:00 -
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I wonder now... What would happen if I showed up in a hauler of my own and paid *37* ISK per unit of omber  |
Ramone
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Posted - 2004.06.27 06:54:00 -
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I wonder now... What would happen if I showed up in a hauler of my own and paid *37* ISK per unit of omber |
Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.06.27 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ramone
I wonder now... What would happen if I showed up in a hauler of my own and paid *37* ISK per unit of omber
I did put a buy order in station at 45 @ unit for Omber, but not many did make use of that offer though
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.06.27 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sofie
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Sounds good for BIG you mean?
With the current mineral prices, one batch (500 units of omber) is worth about 25k, big buying at 34 unit for raw omber, making 17k for a batch. BIG net a profit of 8k pr batch. Acording to the event text, if a newb mine 9600 units of omber a hour, thats a bit more than 19 batches. But to round it down, that net over 150k a hour in profit for BIG pr newb.
Wake up call.. mineral/ore prices isnt what they was pre-castor. If you want to do a event for the new players DO IT RIGHT, pay them what its worth. It make me angry to see such, and even supported by ISD. Do you guys even play the game?
Sorry, but you calculation is wrong.
At first, your prices are wrong. You have to calc with the prices where the mining takes place, not the highest mineral prices at the strip mined highway systems with no omber in 5 jumps distance.
Even if you calc with expensive 2 isk for trit, 5 isk for pyr and 65 isk for isogen and zero waste at refining (i.e. high standing at the refinery corp), you will come to only 21,1k isk per batch (500 omber).
Secondly, you forgot all the work the B.I.G. pilots have to do.
The B.I.G. bought the ore already from the container, thus providing the hauling AND the defense in the system. And with such an unorganized mining and the difficult payout system the industrial pilots can't use instant pickup bookmarks very much and need therfore a lot more time per run. I calc therefore the profit of B.I.G. was about 500k per hour and pilot. Thats rather poor and shows clearly the intention: to help the newbies. Cause for skilled players its easy to make >=1 mio ISK per hour, for instance already with thorax plagioclase mining in 0.8+.
If somebody doesn't believe me, organize a newbie mining with same rules and prizes yourself. You will see the (poor) result per hauler/defender then yourself.
Btw I have nothing to do with B.I.G., I wasnt there and I dont get supported by them. But i can calc.
Weird, wonder how I made tons of ISK selling Isogen at 80 a unit Isogen doesnt require much space, can be hauled fairly easy. I collect about 2 mill isogen a week at buy orders, wich I sell again with fairly good profit where its in demand.
Minerals doesnt become any less worth or less value because price in the region you are mining is poor when you can haul it a few jumps and sell it at top price.
As for organizing an event that benefit the newbs, sure glory to them for doing that, but they are BIG, they could done it the BIG way and done it non profit and paid out better to the newbs.
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HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.06.27 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ramone
I wonder now... What would happen if I showed up in a hauler of my own and paid *37* ISK per unit of omber
I did put a buy order in station at 45 @ unit for Omber, but not many did make use of that offer though
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.06.27 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sofie
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Sounds good for BIG you mean?
With the current mineral prices, one batch (500 units of omber) is worth about 25k, big buying at 34 unit for raw omber, making 17k for a batch. BIG net a profit of 8k pr batch. Acording to the event text, if a newb mine 9600 units of omber a hour, thats a bit more than 19 batches. But to round it down, that net over 150k a hour in profit for BIG pr newb.
Wake up call.. mineral/ore prices isnt what they was pre-castor. If you want to do a event for the new players DO IT RIGHT, pay them what its worth. It make me angry to see such, and even supported by ISD. Do you guys even play the game?
Sorry, but you calculation is wrong.
At first, your prices are wrong. You have to calc with the prices where the mining takes place, not the highest mineral prices at the strip mined highway systems with no omber in 5 jumps distance.
Even if you calc with expensive 2 isk for trit, 5 isk for pyr and 65 isk for isogen and zero waste at refining (i.e. high standing at the refinery corp), you will come to only 21,1k isk per batch (500 omber).
Secondly, you forgot all the work the B.I.G. pilots have to do.
The B.I.G. bought the ore already from the container, thus providing the hauling AND the defense in the system. And with such an unorganized mining and the difficult payout system the industrial pilots can't use instant pickup bookmarks very much and need therfore a lot more time per run. I calc therefore the profit of B.I.G. was about 500k per hour and pilot. Thats rather poor and shows clearly the intention: to help the newbies. Cause for skilled players its easy to make >=1 mio ISK per hour, for instance already with thorax plagioclase mining in 0.8+.
If somebody doesn't believe me, organize a newbie mining with same rules and prizes yourself. You will see the (poor) result per hauler/defender then yourself.
Btw I have nothing to do with B.I.G., I wasnt there and I dont get supported by them. But i can calc.
Weird, wonder how I made tons of ISK selling Isogen at 80 a unit Isogen doesnt require much space, can be hauled fairly easy. I collect about 2 mill isogen a week at buy orders, wich I sell again with fairly good profit where its in demand.
Minerals doesnt become any less worth or less value because price in the region you are mining is poor when you can haul it a few jumps and sell it at top price.
As for organizing an event that benefit the newbs, sure glory to them for doing that, but they are BIG, they could done it the BIG way and done it non profit and paid out better to the newbs.
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
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Therax
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Posted - 2004.06.27 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Originally by: Ramone
I wonder now... What would happen if I showed up in a hauler of my own and paid *37* ISK per unit of omber
I did put a buy order in station at 45 @ unit for Omber, but not many did make use of that offer though
I made sure everyone in our gang knew of your advertisement in local, so it wasnt for lack of knowledge.
As for BIG making a profit... your treatment of the situation is sorely lacking, we had several battleship capable pilots at this event several times during the day me included, if we were mining in 0.0 around our station or hunting high end npc spawns in fountain space we would have been making a shed load more than we were hauling ore and killing 14k bounty frig npcs in some 0.5 empire system. If your looking at time invested per risk reward, we made a loss overall on our possible profits.
Overall the event was a huge success, thanks all for participating and thanks to Doc for coming up with the original idea and all the organisation, good work Doc.
-Morbeis
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Therax
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Posted - 2004.06.27 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Originally by: Ramone
I wonder now... What would happen if I showed up in a hauler of my own and paid *37* ISK per unit of omber
I did put a buy order in station at 45 @ unit for Omber, but not many did make use of that offer though
I made sure everyone in our gang knew of your advertisement in local, so it wasnt for lack of knowledge.
As for BIG making a profit... your treatment of the situation is sorely lacking, we had several battleship capable pilots at this event several times during the day me included, if we were mining in 0.0 around our station or hunting high end npc spawns in fountain space we would have been making a shed load more than we were hauling ore and killing 14k bounty frig npcs in some 0.5 empire system. If your looking at time invested per risk reward, we made a loss overall on our possible profits.
Overall the event was a huge success, thanks all for participating and thanks to Doc for coming up with the original idea and all the organisation, good work Doc.
-Morbeis
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Trooper Boc
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Posted - 2004.06.27 13:34:00 -
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Thanks  BIG. Well organized and maintained by Docdoo with over 15 hrs of mining was done. Not forgetting CCP's help in arranging and maintain servers to run this event, and ISD agents. (wish there is more events in the pipeline like this )
Upto 20 newbie miners working the asteriods (Omber)at 1 time. We stripped 4 fields clean of the stuff. Good fire cover by Therax and Wenby(renamed-Wendy my mistake) and a couple of other non-BIG guards aswell.
I really enjoyed myself, I made over 4mil isk, i'm sure there is afew more newbie millionaires out there now. Gratz to all miners involved. Thanks to BIG again for doing the event. (hope yourself (Doocdoo) and your hauliers liked it too)
There was 1 incident of ore thieving  and he was heavily dealt with by BIG and Grevloc of Interstellar Services Department (ex-Polaris)
There was even a ppl or 2 in the guard, mining in bigger ships at other ore's with a hand-out of over 1.26mil. ISK, shared to all miner's present. Thanks to the them in there support.(Lord Allistar and Neor both non-BIG members)
All in all, it was a Great Newbie event well arranged and organized and maintained by all involved.
Hope to see more list this soon
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Trooper Boc
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Posted - 2004.06.27 13:34:00 -
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Thanks BIG. Well organized and maintained by Docdoo with over 15 hrs of mining was done. Not forgetting CCP's help in arranging and maintain servers to run this event, and ISD agents. (wish there is more events in the pipeline like this )
Upto 20 newbie miners working the asteriods (Omber)at 1 time. We stripped 4 fields clean of the stuff. Good fire cover by Therax and Wenby(renamed-Wendy my mistake) and a couple of other non-BIG guards aswell.
I really enjoyed myself, I made over 4mil isk, i'm sure there is afew more newbie millionaires out there now. Gratz to all miners involved. Thanks to BIG again for doing the event. (hope yourself (Doocdoo) and your hauliers liked it too)
There was 1 incident of ore thieving and he was heavily dealt with by BIG and Grevloc of Interstellar Services Department (ex-Polaris)
There was even a ppl or 2 in the guard, mining in bigger ships at other ore's with a hand-out of over 1.26mil. ISK, shared to all miner's present. Thanks to the them in there support.(Lord Allistar and Neor both non-BIG members)
All in all, it was a Great Newbie event well arranged and organized and maintained by all involved.
Hope to see more list this soon
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Lain Maraquine
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Posted - 2004.06.27 14:45:00 -
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This was a great event and tons of fun! I made a large amount of money which has helped me immensely and the atmosphere of camaraderie made it very fun. Thanks guys for holding this! Hope you do it again.
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Lain Maraquine
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Posted - 2004.06.27 14:45:00 -
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This was a great event and tons of fun! I made a large amount of money which has helped me immensely and the atmosphere of camaraderie made it very fun. Thanks guys for holding this! Hope you do it again.
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Surefoot
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Posted - 2004.06.27 14:58:00 -
[43]
Thanks BIG! I had a great time.
Ruffio, I told you if people didn't buy from you, that should tell you something. It's not always about the money.
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Surefoot
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Posted - 2004.06.27 14:58:00 -
[44]
Thanks BIG! I had a great time.
Ruffio, I told you if people didn't buy from you, that should tell you something. It's not always about the money.
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Lallante
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Posted - 2004.06.27 17:07:00 -
[45]
I am at war with BIGs alliance, I dislike both mining and empire space, but can I just say: You GO BIG.
This is a damn good idea, and should DEFINATELY be repeated regularly.
Lall - THE Vocal Minority -
ShinRa
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Lallante
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Posted - 2004.06.27 17:07:00 -
[46]
I am at war with BIGs alliance, I dislike both mining and empire space, but can I just say: You GO BIG.
This is a damn good idea, and should DEFINATELY be repeated regularly.
Lall - THE Vocal Minority -
ShinRa
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Xssassin
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Posted - 2004.06.27 17:36:00 -
[47]
I was at the BIG Mining event and I thought it was great for us n00bs. We wouldn't of made that much money that quickly without them. I'd like to see someone else make 2 millions isks in a few hours with a n00b ship, no upgrades, little skills and hardly any isks to begin with. Without them I would of spent 20% of the time trying to kill off the pirates, 60% of the time going back and forth to stations and only 20% actually mining. So what they took a percentage, they went out of their way to help us. If they made a profit as well, then still so what, everyone made some isks and everyone is happy. It's just those that didn't go or couldn't go that are not happy about it.
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Posted - 2004.06.27 17:36:00 -
[48]
I was at the BIG Mining event and I thought it was great for us n00bs. We wouldn't of made that much money that quickly without them. I'd like to see someone else make 2 millions isks in a few hours with a n00b ship, no upgrades, little skills and hardly any isks to begin with. Without them I would of spent 20% of the time trying to kill off the pirates, 60% of the time going back and forth to stations and only 20% actually mining. So what they took a percentage, they went out of their way to help us. If they made a profit as well, then still so what, everyone made some isks and everyone is happy. It's just those that didn't go or couldn't go that are not happy about it.
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DocDoo
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Posted - 2004.06.27 19:40:00 -
[49]
Event summary
The event began as advertised right after downtime Saturday afternoon and continued for 15-16 hours until around 0300 EVT.
36 people new to EVE participated during the event with the most persevering staying all day without breaks. On average we had 20 people in the gang in the belts throughout the day.
BIG bought 1.139.018 units of Omber from the participants for a total of 41.004.648 isk (36 isk pr unit).
The event was manned by 11 different BIGuns with on average 4 people present at all times during the event (2-3 haulers and 1-3 escorts).
There was a very informal and relaxed attitude in the event channel "BIG Mining" and the gang chat all day and we got to talk about all sorts of things. At some point an ore thief showed up and tried to disrupt the event by taking ore from the participants jettison cargo containers. The thief tried to explain herself with some ludicrous remarks about that you should never mine into ôJetcansö, not even if there is a hauler sitting right next to the container waiting to pick up. Nothing much was lost, as the CCÆs were kept at low ore amounts at all times and the thief soon found other venues of income more interesting. This particular individual has now been placed on the KOS list of the Fountain Alliance.
Around the time of this we were also visited by Grevlok of the AURORA division of ISD, who also helped advertise the event to newbies in systems all over the EVE Universe. I would hereby like to thank Grevlok for this on behalf of all the participants and BIG.
At around 2400 EVT Lord Allistar came along in his Megathron and offered to mine Plag which BIG then bought at a price equal to the best market price and split the proceeds among the 11 participants in the belt at that time. This amounted to 1.260.646 isk total.
The event activity began to slow down around 0100 EVT when many (myself included) of the European based people began to log, but 3-4 BIGuns stuck with it for a few hours more.
I would like to thank everybody that participated and all the BIGuns who helped out for a great time. The good spirit of everybody involved is what makes it a great experince.
/DocDoo - BIG - President of Science & Industry |
DocDoo
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Posted - 2004.06.27 19:40:00 -
[50]
Event summary
The event began as advertised right after downtime Saturday afternoon and continued for 15-16 hours until around 0300 EVT.
36 people new to EVE participated during the event with the most persevering staying all day without breaks. On average we had 20 people in the gang in the belts throughout the day.
BIG bought 1.139.018 units of Omber from the participants for a total of 41.004.648 isk (36 isk pr unit).
The event was manned by 11 different BIGuns with on average 4 people present at all times during the event (2-3 haulers and 1-3 escorts).
There was a very informal and relaxed attitude in the event channel "BIG Mining" and the gang chat all day and we got to talk about all sorts of things. At some point an ore thief showed up and tried to disrupt the event by taking ore from the participants jettison cargo containers. The thief tried to explain herself with some ludicrous remarks about that you should never mine into ôJetcansö, not even if there is a hauler sitting right next to the container waiting to pick up. Nothing much was lost, as the CCÆs were kept at low ore amounts at all times and the thief soon found other venues of income more interesting. This particular individual has now been placed on the KOS list of the Fountain Alliance.
Around the time of this we were also visited by Grevlok of the AURORA division of ISD, who also helped advertise the event to newbies in systems all over the EVE Universe. I would hereby like to thank Grevlok for this on behalf of all the participants and BIG.
At around 2400 EVT Lord Allistar came along in his Megathron and offered to mine Plag which BIG then bought at a price equal to the best market price and split the proceeds among the 11 participants in the belt at that time. This amounted to 1.260.646 isk total.
The event activity began to slow down around 0100 EVT when many (myself included) of the European based people began to log, but 3-4 BIGuns stuck with it for a few hours more.
I would like to thank everybody that participated and all the BIGuns who helped out for a great time. The good spirit of everybody involved is what makes it a great experince.
/DocDoo - BIG - President of Science & Industry |
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Posted - 2004.06.27 19:50:00 -
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Now to address those who feel that BIG is doing all too well on their own and should not receive any additional help by "exploiting" newbies or getting favors from the game developers and their volunteering helpers.
A week ago I did a price survey of these 5 regions: Sinq Laison, Genesis, The Forge, Heimatar and Metropolis and by taking the average of the highest demand and lowest supply price for the minerals, I found these retail prices: Trit @ 1,66 isk, Pye @ 4,92 isk and Iso @ 69,07isk.
For me (I have perfect refining and all the specialized refining skills) this means that the above-mentioned amount of Omber refined to 664378 Trit and Iso and 266184 pye, have a value of 48.301.081 isk yielding a profit to BIG of 7.296.433 isk for about 64 man-hours of work.
This means that BIG earned 114.006 isk pr hour we put into this.
Some people now say that we were exploiting the participants by not giving these earnings to the 36 participants. My response to that is: It is was put out in the open all along that we would looking to make a few isk off the deal and my personal belief is that even newbies need to learn the true value of things and not have everything handed to them on a silver plate.
They came to our event in rookie ships and mined Omber in total safety and under the most optimal of conditions and got paid top value for the ore without having to lift a finger to haul it, refine it and haul it again to the place with the best price.
I will make those of you, who are angry about this, an offer: If you really think the newbies ought to make better earnings at a player-run event like this, then I would be happy to sign you on as financial contributors of future events. You would then supplement the price we think is reasonable to pay to i.e the 45 isk suggested by Ruffio Sepico. This would be done by you having a representative sitting in the belt where we mine along with the rest of us and each time a payment is made, you then wire the additional cash to the recipient.
As an alternative you are also most welcome to taking the time and effort to organize an event similar to ours, where you then make better payouts to the participants.
BIG havenÆt patented the idea of helping newbies earn some easy isk and getting to know the game better, so you wonÆt hear a bad word from me, if I see events advertised here such as that.
We all know EVE is a complex game with a steep learning curve and people new to EVE appreciate all the help they can get.
Some people also bash CCP and their volunteers because they think itÆs a good idea to those players in EVE who help other players. You have already seen other replys to this topic, where the posters (participants at the event) say that the event was a very positive experience for them and one even says that this will be the reason that he will begin to subscribe to the game.
CCP realises this as well and that is the real reason they think it a good idea to help those in EVE who help others.
Those who whine about this should consider doing something proactively themselves to make the game even greater game for all of us. IÆm quite sure that you will be able to get CCP (in the incarnation of ISD) to help you as well, if you can present a credible event for the benefit of all in EVE.
DonÆt expect me to argue the points I have stated above any further, as I will only be repeating myself. Instead try to think positively and make some interesting events of your own, IÆll be happy to participate if they interest me. 
/DocDoo - BIG - President of Science & Industry |
DocDoo
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Posted - 2004.06.27 19:50:00 -
[52]
Now to address those who feel that BIG is doing all too well on their own and should not receive any additional help by "exploiting" newbies or getting favors from the game developers and their volunteering helpers.
A week ago I did a price survey of these 5 regions: Sinq Laison, Genesis, The Forge, Heimatar and Metropolis and by taking the average of the highest demand and lowest supply price for the minerals, I found these retail prices: Trit @ 1,66 isk, Pye @ 4,92 isk and Iso @ 69,07isk.
For me (I have perfect refining and all the specialized refining skills) this means that the above-mentioned amount of Omber refined to 664378 Trit and Iso and 266184 pye, have a value of 48.301.081 isk yielding a profit to BIG of 7.296.433 isk for about 64 man-hours of work.
This means that BIG earned 114.006 isk pr hour we put into this.
Some people now say that we were exploiting the participants by not giving these earnings to the 36 participants. My response to that is: It is was put out in the open all along that we would looking to make a few isk off the deal and my personal belief is that even newbies need to learn the true value of things and not have everything handed to them on a silver plate.
They came to our event in rookie ships and mined Omber in total safety and under the most optimal of conditions and got paid top value for the ore without having to lift a finger to haul it, refine it and haul it again to the place with the best price.
I will make those of you, who are angry about this, an offer: If you really think the newbies ought to make better earnings at a player-run event like this, then I would be happy to sign you on as financial contributors of future events. You would then supplement the price we think is reasonable to pay to i.e the 45 isk suggested by Ruffio Sepico. This would be done by you having a representative sitting in the belt where we mine along with the rest of us and each time a payment is made, you then wire the additional cash to the recipient.
As an alternative you are also most welcome to taking the time and effort to organize an event similar to ours, where you then make better payouts to the participants.
BIG havenÆt patented the idea of helping newbies earn some easy isk and getting to know the game better, so you wonÆt hear a bad word from me, if I see events advertised here such as that.
We all know EVE is a complex game with a steep learning curve and people new to EVE appreciate all the help they can get.
Some people also bash CCP and their volunteers because they think itÆs a good idea to those players in EVE who help other players. You have already seen other replys to this topic, where the posters (participants at the event) say that the event was a very positive experience for them and one even says that this will be the reason that he will begin to subscribe to the game.
CCP realises this as well and that is the real reason they think it a good idea to help those in EVE who help others.
Those who whine about this should consider doing something proactively themselves to make the game even greater game for all of us. IÆm quite sure that you will be able to get CCP (in the incarnation of ISD) to help you as well, if you can present a credible event for the benefit of all in EVE.
DonÆt expect me to argue the points I have stated above any further, as I will only be repeating myself. Instead try to think positively and make some interesting events of your own, IÆll be happy to participate if they interest me.
/DocDoo - BIG - President of Science & Industry |
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Posted - 2004.06.27 21:02:00 -
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My *cough* humble opinion is just that in any event made to benefit the newbs such as the one arranged by BIG in this case, all the profits should gone to the newbs.
Okay, I know it takes manpower to host such an event, guards, haulers etc. However, a corp as BIG have the assets and means to cover such easy (should have anyways ).
In any case the newbs win on such a event, but they could have gotten that lill extra
In any case, for your next event of such sort Im more than happy to contribute with additional prices, suitable for the event. As long as there is some control with it. Just evemail me or whatever.
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.06.27 21:02:00 -
[54]
My *cough* humble opinion is just that in any event made to benefit the newbs such as the one arranged by BIG in this case, all the profits should gone to the newbs.
Okay, I know it takes manpower to host such an event, guards, haulers etc. However, a corp as BIG have the assets and means to cover such easy (should have anyways ).
In any case the newbs win on such a event, but they could have gotten that lill extra
In any case, for your next event of such sort Im more than happy to contribute with additional prices, suitable for the event. As long as there is some control with it. Just evemail me or whatever.
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
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DocDoo
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Posted - 2004.06.27 21:37:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
In any case, for your next event of such sort Im more than happy to contribute with additional prices, suitable for the event. As long as there is some control with it. Just evemail me or whatever.
I will contact you when the time comes for another event like this and should you spot any other events we do, where you feel you could contribute something extra then please don't hesitate to contact us.
As for the control with what you contribute to a future event: You can either trust us or be at the event yourself for its duration as I described above.
Regards
/DocDoo - BIG - President of Science & Industry |
DocDoo
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Posted - 2004.06.27 21:37:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
In any case, for your next event of such sort Im more than happy to contribute with additional prices, suitable for the event. As long as there is some control with it. Just evemail me or whatever.
I will contact you when the time comes for another event like this and should you spot any other events we do, where you feel you could contribute something extra then please don't hesitate to contact us.
As for the control with what you contribute to a future event: You can either trust us or be at the event yourself for its duration as I described above.
Regards
/DocDoo - BIG - President of Science & Industry |
Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.06.27 23:49:00 -
[57]
Originally by: DocDoo
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
In any case, for your next event of such sort Im more than happy to contribute with additional prices, suitable for the event. As long as there is some control with it. Just evemail me or whatever.
I will contact you when the time comes for another event like this and should you spot any other events we do, where you feel you could contribute something extra then please don't hesitate to contact us.
As for the control with what you contribute to a future event: You can either trust us or be at the event yourself for its duration as I described above.
Regards
I mean more like control over the participants, who would deserve what and the most etc. Initiative, effort and endurance should be rewarded
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.06.27 23:49:00 -
[58]
Originally by: DocDoo
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
In any case, for your next event of such sort Im more than happy to contribute with additional prices, suitable for the event. As long as there is some control with it. Just evemail me or whatever.
I will contact you when the time comes for another event like this and should you spot any other events we do, where you feel you could contribute something extra then please don't hesitate to contact us.
As for the control with what you contribute to a future event: You can either trust us or be at the event yourself for its duration as I described above.
Regards
I mean more like control over the participants, who would deserve what and the most etc. Initiative, effort and endurance should be rewarded
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
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Kasika
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Posted - 2004.06.28 04:45:00 -
[59]
I think ill drop in.
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My IBIS is knowed as "The ultimate power in the universe".
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Kasika
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Posted - 2004.06.28 04:45:00 -
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I think ill drop in.
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My IBIS is knowed as "The ultimate power in the universe".
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Robert Rix
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Posted - 2004.06.28 07:37:00 -
[61]
I participated the event and mined for a total of 10 hours. On average, I made 221k isk/hour, peaking at 360k for a few hours. My character is still young and I'm in a small corporation, but most of my corp buddies were on holiday so I had no chance to mine as efficiently.
As for the criticism, I'd like to see other corporations/alliances try and host equally well organized event.
A BIG thank you for the organizers from me and my corp mate, Matt LeCaro who also participated for a while (thanks for the tip, Matt!).
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Robert Rix
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Posted - 2004.06.28 07:37:00 -
[62]
I participated the event and mined for a total of 10 hours. On average, I made 221k isk/hour, peaking at 360k for a few hours. My character is still young and I'm in a small corporation, but most of my corp buddies were on holiday so I had no chance to mine as efficiently.
As for the criticism, I'd like to see other corporations/alliances try and host equally well organized event.
A BIG thank you for the organizers from me and my corp mate, Matt LeCaro who also participated for a while (thanks for the tip, Matt!).
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DocDoo
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Posted - 2004.06.28 13:58:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
I mean more like control over the participants, who would deserve what and the most etc. Initiative, effort and endurance should be rewarded
If your contribution will be a supplement to the isk they earn from us for the mined Omber, then it should be straight forward to hand out those extra earnings.
If you have something else in mind then let's discuss it, when the next Newbie Mining Event is closer at hand.
/DocDoo - BIG - President of Science & Industry |
DocDoo
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Posted - 2004.06.28 13:58:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
I mean more like control over the participants, who would deserve what and the most etc. Initiative, effort and endurance should be rewarded
If your contribution will be a supplement to the isk they earn from us for the mined Omber, then it should be straight forward to hand out those extra earnings.
If you have something else in mind then let's discuss it, when the next Newbie Mining Event is closer at hand.
/DocDoo - BIG - President of Science & Industry |
Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.06.28 20:23:00 -
[65]
Originally by: DocDoo
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
I mean more like control over the participants, who would deserve what and the most etc. Initiative, effort and endurance should be rewarded
If your contribution will be a supplement to the isk they earn from us for the mined Omber, then it should be straight forward to hand out those extra earnings.
If you have something else in mind then let's discuss it, when the next Newbie Mining Event is closer at hand.
Well I was thinking maybe I could fork up some cruisers as additional prices or rewards or whatever ;-)
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.06.28 20:23:00 -
[66]
Originally by: DocDoo
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
I mean more like control over the participants, who would deserve what and the most etc. Initiative, effort and endurance should be rewarded
If your contribution will be a supplement to the isk they earn from us for the mined Omber, then it should be straight forward to hand out those extra earnings.
If you have something else in mind then let's discuss it, when the next Newbie Mining Event is closer at hand.
Well I was thinking maybe I could fork up some cruisers as additional prices or rewards or whatever ;-)
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
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Wandarah
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Posted - 2004.06.29 03:58:00 -
[67]
Sounds like a really well organised event. Props to BIG - making the whole thing slightly symbiotic is of course perfect for this type of game.
Seems to me like events like this can only possibly do good things for the game.
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Wandarah
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Posted - 2004.06.29 03:58:00 -
[68]
Sounds like a really well organised event. Props to BIG - making the whole thing slightly symbiotic is of course perfect for this type of game.
Seems to me like events like this can only possibly do good things for the game.
NZEA 4 Lyfe |
Gunther128
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Posted - 2006.04.19 16:41:00 -
[69]
what would you consider a newbie? (I have played for about a month and a bit i figure) and do you have to sell the ore?
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.04.19 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gunther128
what would you consider a newbie? (I have played for about a month and a bit i figure) and do you have to sell the ore?
someone who brought back a thread from....2 years ago?
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