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Bullitbait
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:42:00 -
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Everytime they do another patch, CCP misses the estimate.
I understand it's a complex system, but at each of us paying $14.99 a month (or more), you would think they could beta test the patches before we get into this over and over.
Lost skill time would be my fault, but lost use of the game should be credited from our bills. |
Zansatsja
Caldari
NED-Clan
Resurgency
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:43:00 -
[2]
cry me a river....
DON'T worry be HAPPY!!!!! |
Aramis Greys
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:48:00 -
[3]
"Upon request ..."
You were my sun
You were my earth
But you didn't know all the ways I loved you, no
So you took a chance
And made other plans
But I bet you didn't think that they would come crashing down, no
You don't have to say, what you did,
I already know, I found out from him
Now there's just no chance, for you and me, there'll never be
And don't it make you sad about it
You told me you loved me
Why did you leave me, all alone
Now you tell me you need me
When you call me, on the phone
Girl I refuse, you must have me confused
With some other guy
Your bridges were burned, and now it's your turn
To cry, cry me a river
Cry me a river-er
Cry me a river
Cry me a river-er, yea yea
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:49:00 -
[4]
Beta test it on what?
0/10 |
Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:50:00 -
[5]
 Originally by: Bullitbait
Everytime they do another patch, CCP misses the estimate.
I understand it's a complex system, but at each of us paying $14.99 a month (or more), you would think they could beta test the patches before we get into this over and over.
Lost skill time would be my fault, but lost use of the game should be credited from our bills.
Yes yet no one ever complains when there up early. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:52:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Bullitbait
Everytime they do another patch, CCP misses the estimate.
I understand it's a complex system, but at each of us paying $14.99 a month (or more), you would think they could beta test the patches before we get into this over and over.
Lost skill time would be my fault, but lost use of the game should be credited from our bills.
Yes yet no one ever complains when there up early.
oh you haven't been around long enough have you...
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iskopoly
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:52:00 -
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get over it, you are not the only one that has to deal with it.
if 14.99 is too much to deal with the occasional downtime then move on.
SOME OTHER games have at least one downtime a week where they shut it down for 6+ hours.
eve downtime is not nearly as bad.
these downtimes are an effort towards progress.
i suggest you just make plans *other than eve on patch days if you cannot handle the wait. |
Cmndr Griff
Opinicus Operations
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:53:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Aramis Greys
"Upon request ..."
You were my sun
You were my earth
But you didn't know all the ways I loved you, no
So you took a chance
And made other plans
But I bet you didn't think that they would come crashing down, no
You don't have to say, what you did,
I already know, I found out from him
Now there's just no chance, for you and me, there'll never be
And don't it make you sad about it
You told me you loved me
Why did you leave me, all alone
Now you tell me you need me
When you call me, on the phone
Girl I refuse, you must have me confused
With some other guy
Your bridges were burned, and now it's your turn
To cry, cry me a river
Cry me a river-er
Cry me a river
Cry me a river-er, yea yea
Wonder if Timberlake plays Eve? |
Kirra Liu
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:53:00 -
[9]
Edited by: Kirra Liu on 30/09/2008 16:55:39
Get used to it. And rather than sitting at your computer crying because you have nothing to do try the following:
- Leave you're basement, theres a whole world out there
- Help your mum with the washing, she may repay you with a hot coco
- Go outside, but remember, your paper white skin needs suncscreen of you will burn
- See your friends, if you remember who they are
- Finally, consider resubscribing to wow and giving me your stuff
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Rayjan
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:56:00 -
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would like skill credit and its not always my fault. Don't care to stap training path just to train. |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:58:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Rayjan
would like skill credit and its not always my fault. Don't care to stap training path just to train.
No. |
Bullitbait
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:59:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Kirra Liu
Edited by: Kirra Liu on 30/09/2008 16:55:39
Get used to it. And rather than sitting at your computer crying because you have nothing to do try the following:
- Leave you're basement, theres a whole world out there
- Help your mum with the washing, she may repay you with a hot coco
- Go outside, but remember, your paper white skin needs suncscreen of you will burn
- See your friends, if you remember who they are
- Finally, consider resubscribing to wow and giving me your stuff
That was pretty funny. But the point is valid - if you pay for a service you should receive the service. If service is interrupted for the suppliers fault, it should be compensated.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:00:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Bullitbait
That was pretty funny. But the point is valid - if you pay for a service you should receive the service. If service is interrupted for the suppliers fault, it should be compensated.
Read the EULA and STFU.
Alternatively, just STFU. |
Aramis Greys
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:01:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Cmndr Griff
Originally by: Aramis Greys
"Upon request ..."
You were my sun
You were my earth
But you didn't know all the ways I loved you, no
So you took a chance
And made other plans
But I bet you didn't think that they would come crashing down, no
You don't have to say, what you did,
I already know, I found out from him
Now there's just no chance, for you and me, there'll never be
And don't it make you sad about it
You told me you loved me
Why did you leave me, all alone
Now you tell me you need me
When you call me, on the phone
Girl I refuse, you must have me confused
With some other guy
Your bridges were burned, and now it's your turn
To cry, cry me a river
Cry me a river-er
Cry me a river
Cry me a river-er, yea yea
Wonder if Timberlake plays Eve?
Here sure does : Just search for SuperbowlJanet in-game.
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Tharukan Desm'ar
Gallente
The Ninth Circle
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:01:00 -
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Im sorry but if the monthly subscription matters that much that you get every penny out of your time. Then EVE should be the least of your priorities. In the end CCP are human and people are prone to misjudge things or make mistakes. But a few hours of downtime here and there is better than them rushing it out unstable. Plus the amounts of times the servers up from regular downtime a half hour early MORE than makes up for things. |
Sleepkevert
Amarr
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:04:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Bullitbait
That was pretty funny. But the point is valid - if you pay for a service you should receive the service. If service is interrupted for the suppliers fault, it should be compensated.
Read the EULA and STFU.
Alternatively, just STFU.
For the lazy:
Quote:
# NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
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Murk Loar
Caldari
Polytope
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:07:00 -
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I for one happen to enjoy the extended downtimes and under-estimated startup times.
The resulting whine threads are lulzy. |
Florio
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:14:00 -
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tbh, ccp needs lessons in expectation management.
it's okey for us vets tho, we now expect DT to be twice as long as stated. |
Siberys
Gallente
Nebula Sharks
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kirra Liu
Edited by: Kirra Liu on 30/09/2008 16:55:39
Get used to it. And rather than sitting at your computer crying because you have nothing to do try the following:
- Leave you're basement, theres a whole world out there
- Help your mum with the washing, she may repay you with a hot coco
- Go outside, but remember, your paper white skin needs suncscreen of you will burn
- See your friends, if you remember who they are
- Finally, consider resubscribing to wow and giving me your stuff
1. My comp is in my room, not my basement.
2. Did that yesterday, got a coffee Coolada (That Dunkin Donuts iced drink)
3. Been there, seen that A LOT, given I walk about a mile to school each day.
4. Have. I ate dinner at my friend's house 4 times in a row. (Had to bring a few offerings of wine for his parents for feeding me)
5. STFU
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:21:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Bullitbait
That was pretty funny. But the point is valid - if you pay for a service you should receive the service. If service is interrupted for the suppliers fault, it should be compensated.
Read the EULA and STFU.
Alternatively, just STFU.
I would obviously have put it more eloquently, personally, but the wrinkly cereal gets the point across well enough…  |
DrefsabZN
Caldari
Butterfly Effect Corp.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:25:00 -
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You do have a point the CCP = Fail when it comes to estimating how long downtime really is going to take. Older players now are supprised of the servers are back up on time and infact exect at DT to over run on any patch day. This shows that CCP should make more conservitive estimates on the down times.
Its not really a big deal to say DT will be 4 hours long instead of 2. Then if the servers actually up in 3 hours CCP then look better in the eyes of their customers. Not exactly rocket science but something CCP do no manage to do.
But that aside they are improving the game we all love and hate so CCP = WIN. |
Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:26:00 -
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You have to look at it this way.
Every normal DT ends 10-15 minutes before estimated in my experience, so now they take the 34647645745X10 minutes, that we shouldn't have been able to play and add it to one big DT xD |
Presidente Gallente
Order of the Griffin
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 30/09/2008 17:35:54
For a long time I decided to check the forums when DT fails.
Nothing changed. Hilarious.
What's the problem? Bored or just addicted to the game.
Is there nothing you can do else?
CCP is fine. They try to deal with complex hardware.
So what. EUR 10,00 per month is really cheap.
Think about the money you would waste if you meet friends for party, cinemas, rollercoaster rides ... expensive fun.
:-P
Update: right now the patch is alive.
Presidente throws the half empty 1 liter bottle of rum at the wall and screams: yarrrrrr!
+++ JOIN PAP +++ |
Kobushi
OCForums
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Posted - 2008.09.30 18:40:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Bullitbait
each of us paying $14.99 a month (or more),
Lost skill time would be my fault, but lost use of the game should be credited from our bills.
so you failed to understand that they do it every time and did not set a long skill?
also 14.99 a month comes out at 2 cents an hour or about 48 cents a day, send a self addressed envelope with a 2 dollar international airmail stamp and I'm sure they will be pleased to send you that 0.48 check minus the 4 dollars administrative fees plus custom surcharge and taxes
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
Racey Bee
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Posted - 2008.09.30 19:50:00 -
[25]
The OP made a valid point... The rest of ya are just fanboying it up....
His only mistake was to post it in the forums and feeding the trolls...
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.30 19:53:00 -
[26]
Edited by: Tippia on 30/09/2008 19:56:32
Originally by: Terminus adacai
The OP made a valid point...
No. The OP just forgot the terms of service he agreed on.
Quote:
His only mistake was to post it in the forums and feeding the trolls...
…and not reading the EULA.
In addition, I'd like to how the OP would propose to beta-test the patch deployment without completely duplicating the entire TQ cluster at immense costs?
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Opertone
Caldari
SIEGE.
United Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.30 19:53:00 -
[27]
eve is wonderful it only needs more adult content
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar
Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.30 20:19:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 30/09/2008 20:26:26
Computer code is not exactly the easiest thing to write in a complex dynamic game like EVE ( I know, I write C++, Python, PHP, MySQL and HTML) When you load it to your server and fire it up, you often find where the code you wrote breaks something else because of a database call or any number of other possible reasons (I'm choosing NOT to be technical so you non-techs can actually grasp this concepts here).
Example...
I wrote what I "thought" was a simple calendar script for my domain that would interact with the board, info pages etc, allowing my users to be able to make plans for the events we have going from anywhere on the site. I broke the board. It took me almost an hour and a half to find where 1 (ONE) Database call caused a null return when linked to the script and another 10 minutes re-writing the code to fix it.
Thats on a relatively EASY MySQL database using PHP. Ramp that up to something as complex and dynamic as a large MMO's game code and only going over the estimated DT by a few minutes or hours rather than days to fix something that breaks. To me that is not bad at all.
Storm
In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.09.30 20:30:00 -
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Please discuss any patch issues in the post patch feedback thread.
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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