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![Illwill Bill Illwill Bill](https://images.evetech.net/characters/850338068/portrait?size=64)
Illwill Bill
Minmatar Scandinavian Carebears AB
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Posted - 2008.10.01 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u im sure the army can outwit the ebil men in skirts for a year
Maybe you should try entering a warzone, lets see who you outwit.
How about not attacking other nations for a few years? It would be cheaper in the long run, I promise!
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![goodby4u goodby4u](https://images.evetech.net/characters/722175279/portrait?size=64)
goodby4u
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.01 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 01/10/2008 22:26:03
Originally by: Illwill Bill
Originally by: goodby4u im sure the army can outwit the ebil men in skirts for a year
Maybe you should try entering a warzone, lets see who you outwit.
How about not attacking other nations for a few years? It would be cheaper in the long run, I promise! We tried that before, then this Adolf guy came along....
As for outwitting our military, I bet if you signed up for the marines you would have the inability to live in a warzone for more then 5 minutes without getting shot even with full armor, so dont pass judgement and tell our military their on their own.
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![Illwill Bill Illwill Bill](https://images.evetech.net/characters/850338068/portrait?size=64)
Illwill Bill
Minmatar Scandinavian Carebears AB
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Posted - 2008.10.01 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u We tried that before, then this Adolf guy came along....
Let's refrain from drawing 1930-parallels. There is no need for turning this thread into an all-out flame war.
Originally by: goodby4u
As for outwitting our military, I bet if you signed up for the marines you would have the inability to live in a warzone for more then 5 minutes without getting shot even with full armor, so dont pass judgement and tell our military their on their own.
Considering the ammount of cash you pour into your military machine, I'd be surprised if your marines DIDN'T have top-notch equipment. My point was that in times of economical crisis, it might be a good idea to cut down on the military budget. There is no immediate threat to the United States at the moment, and if you left the rest of the world to itself for a while, we might actually manage on our own. Last time I checked, the war in Iraq had cost a fortune, and I'm quite sure those money could have been spent in a better way.
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![Micheal Dietrich Micheal Dietrich](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1475880492/portrait?size=64)
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.10.01 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Illwill Bill
Let's refrain from drawing 1930-parallels. There is no need for turning this thread into an all-out flame war.
Don't you mean 1940's?
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![goodby4u goodby4u](https://images.evetech.net/characters/722175279/portrait?size=64)
goodby4u
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.01 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 01/10/2008 23:37:04
Originally by: Illwill Bill
Originally by: goodby4u We tried that before, then this Adolf guy came along....
Let's refrain from drawing 1930-parallels. There is no need for turning this thread into an all-out flame war.
Originally by: goodby4u
As for outwitting our military, I bet if you signed up for the marines you would have the inability to live in a warzone for more then 5 minutes without getting shot even with full armor, so dont pass judgement and tell our military their on their own.
Considering the ammount of cash you pour into your military machine, I'd be surprised if your marines DIDN'T have top-notch equipment. My point was that in times of economical crisis, it might be a good idea to cut down on the military budget. There is no immediate threat to the United States at the moment, and if you left the rest of the world to itself for a while, we might actually manage on our own. Last time I checked, the war in Iraq had cost a fortune, and I'm quite sure those money could have been spent in a better way.
1)Thats when we turned away from our isolationist views, it was important to show why we did aswell. 2)Well it depends,war provides both jobs and a distraction from the general public's crappy lives, given at the expense of lives but those are two affects that war has on the economy, so in this war is providing both jobs(ie people away from our welfare system)and lowers the suicide rate.
Also if our marines are fighting in a war I want them to have the best equipment possible to protect them.
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![Captain Hudson Captain Hudson](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1070205945/portrait?size=64)
Captain Hudson
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.01 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Illwill Bill
Let's refrain from drawing 1930-parallels. There is no need for turning this thread into an all-out flame war.
Don't you mean 1940's?
i think he was talking about the rise of ****** and not the actual start of ww2
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![Thorliaron Thorliaron](https://images.evetech.net/characters/703463564/portrait?size=64)
Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.10.01 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 01/10/2008 23:37:04
Originally by: Illwill Bill
Originally by: goodby4u We tried that before, then this Adolf guy came along....
Let's refrain from drawing 1930-parallels. There is no need for turning this thread into an all-out flame war.
Originally by: goodby4u
As for outwitting our military, I bet if you signed up for the marines you would have the inability to live in a warzone for more then 5 minutes without getting shot even with full armor, so dont pass judgement and tell our military their on their own.
Considering the ammount of cash you pour into your military machine, I'd be surprised if your marines DIDN'T have top-notch equipment. My point was that in times of economical crisis, it might be a good idea to cut down on the military budget. There is no immediate threat to the United States at the moment, and if you left the rest of the world to itself for a while, we might actually manage on our own. Last time I checked, the war in Iraq had cost a fortune, and I'm quite sure those money could have been spent in a better way.
1)Thats when we turned away from our isolationist views, it was important to show why we did aswell. 2)Well it depends,war provides both jobs and a distraction from the general public's crappy lives, given at the expense of lives but those are two affects that war has on the economy, so in this war is providing both jobs(ie people away from our welfare system)and lowers the suicide rate.
Also if our marines are fighting in a war I want them to have the best equipment possible to protect them.
it's not a war, your not fighting another nations military units.
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![Micheal Dietrich Micheal Dietrich](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1475880492/portrait?size=64)
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.10.01 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Hudson
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Illwill Bill
Let's refrain from drawing 1930-parallels. There is no need for turning this thread into an all-out flame war.
Don't you mean 1940's?
i think he was talking about the rise of ****** and not the actual start of ww2
Even though ****** was in power during the 30's he didn't actually start trouble until '39, and even then we didn't join until '41 so in his response to Goodbye he's off by 10 years.
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![goodby4u goodby4u](https://images.evetech.net/characters/722175279/portrait?size=64)
goodby4u
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.02 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 02/10/2008 00:14:27
Originally by: Thorliaron
it's not a war, your not fighting another nations military units.
If your being shot at by a guy with an AK47 whether its a war or not usually goes out the window, because an insurgent weilding a rifle is still deadly.
But my fault, I didnt get the wording right..."police action"is what I ment .
Oh and btw its goodby not goodbye![Surprised](/images/icon_surprised.gif)
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![Slade Trillgon Slade Trillgon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1470513625/portrait?size=64)
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2008.10.02 00:14:00 -
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<---- Jumps in with fire extinguisher in hand ready.
Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
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![Thorliaron Thorliaron](https://images.evetech.net/characters/703463564/portrait?size=64)
Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.10.02 01:52:00 -
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Edited by: Thorliaron on 02/10/2008 01:52:49
Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 02/10/2008 00:14:27
Originally by: Thorliaron
it's not a war, your not fighting another nations military units.
If your being shot at by a guy with an AK47 whether its a war or not usually goes out the window, because an insurgent weilding a rifle is still deadly.
But my fault, I didnt get the wording right..."police action"is what I ment .
Oh and btw its goodby not goodbye![Surprised](/images/icon_surprised.gif)
id think it as more of a dollar wasting exercise, seeing as taliban levels are back to what they where pre 9/11
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![Krychton Krychton](https://images.evetech.net/characters/930270925/portrait?size=64)
Krychton
Vorace. Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.10.02 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Illwill Bill
Originally by: goodby4u We tried that before, then this Adolf guy came along....
Let's refrain from drawing 1930-parallels. There is no need for turning this thread into an all-out flame war.
Originally by: goodby4u
As for outwitting our military, I bet if you signed up for the marines you would have the inability to live in a warzone for more then 5 minutes without getting shot even with full armor, so dont pass judgement and tell our military their on their own.
Considering the ammount of cash you pour into your military machine, I'd be surprised if your marines DIDN'T have top-notch equipment. My point was that in times of economical crisis, it might be a good idea to cut down on the military budget. There is no immediate threat to the United States at the moment, and if you left the rest of the world to itself for a while, we might actually manage on our own. Last time I checked, the war in Iraq had cost a fortune, and I'm quite sure those money could have been spent in a better way.
I doubt a serious cut of Military spending will ever happen, at least not now since America is fighting a 2 front war in the middle east. No immediate threat? This world is filled with threats. Hell, it wasn't to long ago that Russia threaten to nuke Poland, which would surely ignite a world war. History continues to remind us of the lesson of sitting back and doing nothing. It just isn't an option anymore.
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![Viktor Fyretracker Viktor Fyretracker](https://images.evetech.net/characters/686385973/portrait?size=64)
Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.02 04:59:00 -
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however as an American i see the middle east as a waste of my tax dollars. i feel my country can maintain the most powerful military in the world and be ready to assist other nations with a lowered budget. we dont have to be isolationist but we can still cut back on our military spending and still have a profitable economy. our aerospace industries are capable of remaining advanced without major military projects, the Boeing 787 is by far the best new generation airliner. and even in the A380 era the 747 still remains a popular seller(though im sure its partly because its the most famous aircraft in the world).
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![Intense Thinker Intense Thinker](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1182105655/portrait?size=64)
Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.02 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon <---- Jumps in with fire extinguisher in hand ready.
Hey! Get that out of my thread... the flames will burn!!!!!! ![Twisted Evil](/images/icon_twisted.gif) --------------------- It's me! Your lovable forum warrior!!! |
![Illwill Bill Illwill Bill](https://images.evetech.net/characters/850338068/portrait?size=64)
Illwill Bill
Minmatar Scandinavian Carebears AB
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Posted - 2008.10.02 07:12:00 -
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Edited by: Illwill Bill on 02/10/2008 07:13:42 EDIT: Fixed a few things.
Originally by: Krychton
I doubt a serious cut of Military spending will ever happen, at least not now since America is fighting a 2 front war in the middle east. No immediate threat? This world is filled with threats. Hell, it wasn't to long ago that Russia threaten to nuke Poland, which would surely ignite a world war. History continues to remind us of the lesson of sitting back and doing nothing. It just isn't an option anymore.
You're NOT fighting a two-front war. You attacked two separate countries, and now you're cleaning up the mess. There will always be resistance when invading and occupying a country, and I can't see how that will ever change.
While there's plenty of conflicts in the world, the US can't handle it all. Russia threatening and attacking other countries is nothin new; after all, it has only been a few years since a country in the middle-east was attacked on loose grounds.![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
As I said: Sit back, cut down on the military budget for a few years. Fix your economy, and let your troops have a well-earned rest. The rest of us will manage. After all, we have France looking out for us!![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
On an unrelated note, the Vorace web-site is one of the neatest corp-pages I've ever seen. Good job to the guy who created it!
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![Havok Dryke Havok Dryke](https://images.evetech.net/characters/921185776/portrait?size=64)
Havok Dryke
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.02 13:11:00 -
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Possible solution?
Discuss. ---
Originally by: El'tar I WOULD WARRIOR FOR WOMAN BELONG TO ME
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![Valan Valan](https://images.evetech.net/characters/268048596/portrait?size=64)
Valan
The Fated
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Posted - 2008.10.02 15:21:00 -
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About the war.
I believe the Iraq war was started to placate Israel so they would agree to another peace deal to make the region stable. There was no way Israel was gonna back down with a nutter on the doorstep. The constant backing of Israel is why the US is in the firing line. The UK gets off slightly better because while we back the US we don't really approve of Israel. Until they can stabilise Iraq they're not gonna convince Israel to take their finger off the red button and make things worse.
The Afghan war is a direct assault on the terrorist organisations. It's not to make Afghanistan a better place it's to take the war off our doorstep and provide a killing ground for sorting extremists out within easy walking distance of their breeding grounds. While the troops are engaging them there and they're happy to attack infidels and get bombed into the next life they're not here looking for targets. So while it does cost you money to keep them there in taxes you're not dodging extremists on your way to work. Soon as the poor devils realise that they're getting mullered and they'll have more affect attacking soft targets instead of the SAS and tooled up Marines we'll be in real trouble again.
I must admit I'm critical of the US but at the end of the day a Marine may not discover perpetual energy but he does what he does well and has the resolve to do it. The only way to tackle a fanatic is to send your own better equipped fanatics in.
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![Ademaro Imre Ademaro Imre](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1092083430/portrait?size=64)
Ademaro Imre
Caldari Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.10.02 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Illwill Bill
Last time I checked, the war in Iraq had cost a fortune, and I'm quite sure those money could have been spent in a better way.
The entire US military budget, is 11% of what the US gives in welfare to senior citizens.
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![Pwett Pwett](https://images.evetech.net/characters/774932451/portrait?size=64)
Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.10.02 16:11:00 -
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Actually, the numbers are pretty equal in terms of payouts, but there's a bigger difference.
The military budget is paying people to do work. The welfare budget is paying people not to work. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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![Tao Han Tao Han](https://images.evetech.net/characters/716190993/portrait?size=64)
Tao Han
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Blade.
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Posted - 2008.10.02 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 02/10/2008 16:35:34
Originally by: Illwill Bill
Last time I checked, the war in Iraq had cost a fortune, and I'm quite sure those money could have been spent in a better way.
The entire US military budget, is 11% of what the US gives in welfare to senior citizens. I agree, the US military budget should be reduced. The US should evacuate itself from Europe, and force Europe to stand up for itself and not to depend on the US for its protection, which it has not done since WWII. Its hard to believe that Europe is not embarrassed with itself for needing the US to put down small armies in Bosnia/Serbia. Getting out of Germany alone, would save the US $8 billion a year. Germany isn't paying for that. I consider it welfare for Germany and Europe, to station troops there to die for Europeans if there is a WWIII. Your welcome.
Protection from what? --------------
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![Micheal Dietrich Micheal Dietrich](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1475880492/portrait?size=64)
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.10.02 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
The entire US military budget, is 11% of what the US gives in welfare to senior citizens. I agree, the US military budget should be reduced. The US should evacuate itself from Europe, and force Europe to stand up for itself and not to depend on the US for its protection, which it has not done since WWII. Its hard to believe that Europe is not embarrassed with itself for needing the US to put down small armies in Bosnia/Serbia. Getting out of Germany alone, would save the US $8 billion a year. Germany isn't paying for that. I consider it welfare for Germany and Europe, to station troops there to die for Europeans if there is a WWIII. Your welcome.
I am quite sure that many nations of Europe are quite capable of protecting themselves.
Those bases aren't protection, they are strategic deployment zones. You think we would have been able to bring aid to Georgia as fast as we did if we didn't have a base placed there?
And the Germany station is mostly aircraft maintenance and wounded recovery ward.
We also have several bases in Korea as well. I notice that you failed to mention those.
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![Pwett Pwett](https://images.evetech.net/characters/774932451/portrait?size=64)
Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.10.02 17:49:00 -
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It's a slow day at work, mainly running DB pruning scripts, so I spent my morning calling all the major bank branches in the Chicago suburbs asking for mortgage terms.
Not one bank was unwilling to loan me money (I asked for loan terms for $500,000 20-year loans) granted I had a passable credit, and 20% down.
Funny how that works? Apparently it's crisis material when people who can't afford their mortgages aren't allowed to get more of them. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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![Corwain Corwain](https://images.evetech.net/characters/698610354/portrait?size=64)
Corwain
Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2008.10.03 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre Your welcome.
As a fellow American I hope this was a parody of the false stereotype that all Americans are idiots and don't know simple grammar.
Because it's 'You are welcome' sometimes abbreviated 'You're welcome'. NOT 'Your welcome.' -- Distortion| Distortion 2 Preview |
![Reven Cordelle Reven Cordelle](https://images.evetech.net/characters/947728796/portrait?size=64)
Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.10.03 14:38:00 -
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Ignore it.
See what happens... Chances are the market will self-stabilise after a certain amount of time.
The rebate plan is a keen idea as the money will go into the market anyway, and taxes will go back to the government, alas injecting money and making people rich (half a million bucks isn't exactly pocket change) you can also cause issues.
I find it easier to sit on my ass and make my biggest concern exist of how long it'll take me to save up for a set of Cragar SS Alloys for my car, or when i can be bothered to drive down the store for more brew-dizzawgs.
Ignorance is bliss, call me irresponsible... but people are paid to sort out the countries messes, and I aint one of em.
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![Krychton Krychton](https://images.evetech.net/characters/930270925/portrait?size=64)
Krychton
Vorace. Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Illwill Bill Edited by: Illwill Bill on 02/10/2008 07:13:42 EDIT: Fixed a few things.
Originally by: Krychton
I doubt a serious cut of Military spending will ever happen, at least not now since America is fighting a 2 front war in the middle east. No immediate threat? This world is filled with threats. Hell, it wasn't to long ago that Russia threaten to nuke Poland, which would surely ignite a world war. History continues to remind us of the lesson of sitting back and doing nothing. It just isn't an option anymore.
You're NOT fighting a two-front war. You attacked two separate countries, and now you're cleaning up the mess. There will always be resistance when invading and occupying a country, and I can't see how that will ever change.
While there's plenty of conflicts in the world, the US can't handle it all. Russia threatening and attacking other countries is nothin new; after all, it has only been a few years since a country in the middle-east was attacked on loose grounds.![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
As I said: Sit back, cut down on the military budget for a few years. Fix your economy, and let your troops have a well-earned rest. The rest of us will manage. After all, we have France looking out for us!![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
On an unrelated note, the Vorace web-site is one of the neatest corp-pages I've ever seen. Good job to the guy who created it!
The definition of two front war: In military terminology, a two-front war is one in which fighting takes place on two geographically separate fronts. It is usually executed by two or more separate forces simultaneously or nearly simultaneously, in the hope that their opponent will be forced to split their fighting force to deal with both threats, therefore reducing their odds of success.
Not going to argue the whole "sit back mentality" that's you're opinion and you're set on that. I don't like war in general, but I do believe its necessary, why? Humanity is bent on it, no matter how much people talk about peace. Imagine if the world sat back when Germany swept through Europe. Its not any safer now then it was then, especially now since we have dangerous people possessing nukes or trying to acquire them.
Thanks btw for the comment on the website. I created it month or two ago, hardly used though. ![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
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