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Sidias DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:05:00 - [1] Are the large alliances of EvE killing the game ? You can't knock what these alliances have done, grouped together with other corps/alliances and created something remarkable. Combining players from many different locations around the world, working together and creating something that very few others can compete against but is this killing the game ? I mean take the BoB campaign at the moment. They currently own Delve and Querious, with some control over Fade, Pure Blind, Deklein and now Vale. As far as I know they are assualting Morsus Mihi in Tribute. Now from what I hear most of the regions they control are pratically empty. Now I know this game is 90% PvP but are alliances like BoB with their thousands of people in their coalition stopping smaller upcoming alliances from doing anything in EvE ? It's great being rich in EvE and having isk is always a good thing but surely if the 0.0 space was split up into smaller alliances then this would be more fun as more PvP would be found ? I don't disagree what BoB are acheiving at the moment as the NC was probably the biggest NAPFest in the game so hopefully once this is broken up BoB will perhaps head south and destroy the other NAPFest down there but having them control so much space that is 90% of the time empty does not seem like a very good thing for EvE as far as I am concerned. Will they break up their coalition once they are done as they will be the largest NAPFest once they break up the other ones ? I suppose we can look at what does 0.0 offer then High End Moon Mining High End Asteroid Mining High End Plexes High End Ratting Ok so moon mining is pretty much all taken up. But what about the Asteroid Mining, Plexes and ratting ? Surely these large alliances are not using all of these resources, so most of them all are all going to waste. If less space was controlled by more alliances then I think EvE would be a richer place for all, not just the leaders of these super alliances. I would think that as a player of this game that you would want the game to thrive and have more players playing, but if things continue the way they are most players will have little interest in high sec and low sec and leave the game. I suppose its up to the individual players in these super alliances to starting thinking exactly what they are doing to their game. Sure we all like to be on the winning side but if everyone does this then there will be very few things for you to do. If there were more alliances with less players you can even imagine that lag would be more manageable. Smaller alliances mean less people to battle with so fleet fights in 0.0 would be easier to manage, although there is always the odd corps and alliances that want to blob cause they know they can win by using this method. Fighting with skill and decent pilots is not enough for some and they will always want to destroy the opposition so I suppose my point is quite mute as smaller alliances will just group together to create bigger coalitions. But its the players like this that is causing the lag and the issues with Blob warfare in EvE. I know this sounds like a bit of a rant but I just feel strongly about the way EvE is heading. I have been playing this game for 5+ years, yes this is not my main character, and have pretty much been involved in every aspect of this game so I have a decent amount of knowledge of EvE. I am interested in hearing players views on this rather than smack talk, but this is CAOD so I expect some crappy posts.
Meja Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:09:00 - [2] Edited by: Meja on 01/10/2008 11:09:10 Hey Edit : oh first, baby
Firkragg Blue Labs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:11:00 - [3] what you need to remember is that BOBs forces arent just made up of BOB there are also lots of smaller alliances there and they live in bob space (and some of them have been given their own during the current campaign) I think what your really asking here is how hard is it for a new alliance to get a foothold in 0.0 due to there being so many larger napped alliances.This is what npc 0.0 was designed for and it does its job by giving smaller alliances a place to develop and make friends.
Bad Borris Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:11:00 - [4] Edited by: Bad Borris on 01/10/2008 11:10:46 doh No they are not killing the game, they are playing it how it should be played (except for epic blobs) and make up the most important section of the eve community imo.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:17:00 - [5] I say certin "officals" giveing special treatment or handing out inside info on server mechanics are killing eve. But what do I know, I mean it's only been proven on 3 different occasions.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:17:00 - [6] No, what's killing Eve, if anything, is people who go on and on about devsploits and hax when they lose a fight. It's people who can't accept that more doesn't always equal victory. It's people who thinks that the only tactic required is to bring a bigger blob. In short, the people that the GBC are in the process of killing right now are the people that are killing Eve. When they are dead and gone, and have preferrably all quit, the game will be much better.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:18:00 - [7] Nah, they just make life in 0.0 interesting.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:18:00 - [8] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot I say certin "officals" giveing special treatment or handing out inside info on server mechanics are killing eve. But what do I know, I mean it's only been proven on 3 different occasions. Name the three. Also try to prove that it's going on today. If you can't, kindly stfu you bitter bitter little man.
Sidias DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette No, what's killing Eve, if anything, is people who go on and on about devsploits and hax when they lose a fight. It's people who can't accept that more doesn't always equal victory. It's people who thinks that the only tactic required is to bring a bigger blob. In short, the people that the GBC are in the process of killing right now are the people that are killing Eve. When they are dead and gone, and have preferrably all quit, the game will be much better. As I said in my original post I think what they are doing is good in breakig up the NC, but once they do this then they will become the largest NAPFest in EvE so will they break up their own Coalition. This post was not aimed at a beat up BoB post though, there are alliances like GoonSwarm too that hold way too much space at the moment too.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:24:00 - [10] I agree EVE would be cooler without coalitions and with smaller alliances and more conflicts, but blobbing up is just human nature so this is just the way it is and that aint gonna change. High End Asteroid Mining - nothing stopping people from doing this, just more challenging and people are lazy. High End Plexes - can't stop a dedicated group from doing these anywhere since they aren't static and you can't really be probed down once in one.. High End Ratting - also can't be prevented, only discouraged High End Moon Mining - coalitions / "superalliances" pretty much dominate this, but i suspect there's a bunch in lowsec held by weak corporations / alliances. There's tons of stuff a smaller alliance can accomplish if it's made of the right stuff, Pandemic Legion and Triumvirate are both well under a thousand members (last I looked) and they're both performing at a pretty impressive level, admittedly not solo all the time but wotev. Those two are comprised of veteran pvper types, but that's not a requirement and relatively small groups with vision and commitment can still carve their own niche, and affect or avoid the superpowers. So no they're not killing EVE, and in some ways they're making things quite interesting.

Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Sidias As I said in my original post I think what they are doing is good in breakig up the NC, but once they do this then they will become the largest NAPFest in EvE so will they break up their own Coalition. This post was not aimed at a beat up BoB post though, there are alliances like GoonSwarm too that hold way too much space at the moment too. Do you think BoB would keep all those allies once there are no more fights to be had? I don't. Either way, removing the dead weight from the north will open up areas for new alliances from Empire. BoB can't hold everything. Not even with help from the GBC.
Nocturnal Avenger Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Sidias Now I know this game is 90% PvP but are alliances like BoB with their thousands of people in their coalition stopping smaller upcoming alliances from doing anything in EvE ? If you believe this - you are horribly wrong. Just don't expect a new 20 man corp made of n00bs can successfully invade Delve.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot I say certin "officals" giveing special treatment or handing out inside info on server mechanics are killing eve. But what do I know, I mean it's only been proven on 3 different occasions. Name the three. Also try to prove that it's going on today. If you can't, kindly stfu you bitter bitter little man. #1 T20 #2 ISD and the mothership #3 "your making an ass out of yourself, and of ccp" You were saying? My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! BOD's Strategy to winning! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:34:00 - [14] ON BEHALF OF MY ALLIANCE I APOLOGIZE!
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot #1 T20 What was actually proven about this? Think long and hard before you answer. I don't want to hear your dumb assumptions. I want to know what exactly was proven. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot #2 ISD and the mothership Same question as above. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot #3 "your making an ass out of yourself, and of ccp" And just for shits and giggles, let's hear you tell us what was proven about this too. And you didn't even try to prove anything like this goes on today. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot You were saying? I was saying you're full of shit and a coward and bitter NC alt.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:42:00 - [16] By the way, I can't understand why you would have the gall to keep posting here. You're already known as one of the biggest failed alts in Eve. You admit that you pay 15$ a month to someone just to be able to tell them that you think they're cheating you. It's like asking someone to shit on you so you can ask him to stop.
Sidias DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:43:00 - [17] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot I say certin "officals" giveing special treatment or handing out inside info on server mechanics are killing eve. But what do I know, I mean it's only been proven on 3 different occasions. Name the three. Also try to prove that it's going on today. If you can't, kindly stfu you bitter bitter little man. #1 T20 #2 ISD and the mothership #3 "your making an ass out of yourself, and of ccp" You were saying? If you want to have a chest beating contest go do it in another thread, stay on topic please.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot #1 T20 What was actually proven about this? Think long and hard before you answer. I don't want to hear your dumb assumptions. I want to know what exactly was proven. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot #2 ISD and the mothership Same question as above. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot #3 "your making an ass out of yourself, and of ccp" And just for shits and giggles, let's hear you tell us what was proven about this too. And you didn't even try to prove anything like this goes on today. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot You were saying? I was saying you're full of shit and a coward and bitter NC alt. HAHHAHAAH there's a box and a button that says "search" on the top right of this page. T20 never proven? So T20 himself posting on this site that he gave bod T2 BPO's isn't proof? Ofc not, because you'll only see what you want. Full of shit, proven wrong. Coward, yeah because... oh wait Bitter NC alt...yeah, what ever makes you feel better My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! BOD's Strategy to winning! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy
Gragnor Groove Inc	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:48:00 - [19] I admire the OP for saying what I think a lot of people are thinking. Eve character stats last time I heard indicated that null sec is only habitated by a MINORITY of eve players. And it was a bit of a shock to me. The one issue I have is why bother growing a small alliance, say 200-300 members in null sec space. Most of null sec is, in reality, poor quality space and you get better ratting and mining in a far too high proportion of low sec space compared to null sec. There needs to be a dramatic reshaping of null sec space value to make it a desirable for the small alliances to strike out and find that little piece of null sec to call their own; to exploit and try to hold. At the moment, some null sec regions are so bad that you are better off running level 4 missions than ratting or even mining. For example, Providence. For mine, that is the issue. Not the lag or the smack you see in these forums. In my experience; BoB will pay you a visit for shits and giggles but I will say this for them. Whether they spank your ass or not; they will at least respect you for having a go (and call you a noob for dying.) Goonies will smack you to death and make you close local but they at least acknowledge you exist. Ther best times in null sec are when 20 man roaming gangs collide and lots of ships go boom. The number of times I have seen both sides type GF in local at the end of it is what makes Eve fun.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Sidias Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot I say certin "officals" giveing special treatment or handing out inside info on server mechanics are killing eve. But what do I know, I mean it's only been proven on 3 different occasions. Name the three. Also try to prove that it's going on today. If you can't, kindly stfu you bitter bitter little man. #1 T20 #2 ISD and the mothership #3 "your making an ass out of yourself, and of ccp" You were saying? If you want to have a chest beating contest go do it in another thread, stay on topic please. Isn't the topic what's killing eve, with the op suggesting it's "super allainces"??? Or can people just not handle the truth? My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! BOD's Strategy to winning! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy

Mythrell Shadows of the Dead	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:50:00 - [21] I agree on the topic. In my opinion, CCP should set maximum number of players per alliance to, for example, 500 people. Internal drama bombs would most likely take care of most of the coalitions at that point. Or, most likely, people would make 10 alt alliances to replace old ones . EVE would be much better if Alliances would be satisfied with a constellation or two which they need to function, a lot more of targets to pew pew at with a lot smaller fleets. Removal of things like moon mining which forces large entities to conquer huge areas is starting to sound good to me.
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot HAHHAHAAH there's a box and a button that says "search" on the top right of this page. T20 never proven? So T20 himself posting on this site that he gave bod T2 BPO's isn't proof? Ofc not, because you'll only see what you want. Full of shit, proven wrong. Coward, yeah because... oh wait Bitter NC alt...yeah, what ever makes you feel better i did the search and all i found is threads with obviously faked evidence that was even proven to be fake
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Bad Borris Edited by: Bad Borris on 01/10/2008 11:10:46 doh No they are not killing the game, they are playing it how it should be played (except for epic blobs) and make up the most important section of the eve community imo. Most important section of Eve community? You are so full of shit... The most important section of the Eve community is the people that buy GTC's to pay for their shit and those that own multiple accounts, they fatten CCP's pocket. It has nothing to do whether they are in Bob or whatever alliance. What you need to do is distinguish between the "largest section of eve" and the "most important section" there is a big difference.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot HAHHAHAAH there's a box and a button that says "search" on the top right of this page. Yes there is. Why don't you go use it and try to back up your failed arguments? Originally by: Smokie McLottapot T20 never proven? So T20 himself posting on this site that he gave bod T2 BPO's isn't proof? Ofc not, because you'll only see what you want. Please learn to read or ask your mommy to do it for you. I asked you WHAT was proven about the T20 incident, you tosser. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Full of shit, proven wrong. No, the jury is still out, but I have a feeling they will call it in my favor. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Coward, yeah because... oh wait Yes, go on. Coward because...? Because you're posting on an alt despite being an obviously bitter NC member? Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Bitter NC alt...yeah, what ever makes you feel better It doesn't make me feel one way or the other. I'm not the bitter one here. You are.
Richard Angevian The Crusaders.	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:55:00 - [25] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Sidias As I said in my original post I think what they are doing is good in breakig up the NC, but once they do this then they will become the largest NAPFest in EvE so will they break up their own Coalition. This post was not aimed at a beat up BoB post though, there are alliances like GoonSwarm too that hold way too much space at the moment too. Do you think BoB would keep all those allies once there are no more fights to be had? I don't. Either way, removing the dead weight from the north will open up areas for new alliances from Empire. BoB can't hold everything. Not even with help from the GBC. Bob's "pets" are largely irrelevant. They are basically rent paying isk farmers and probably hurt more than they help when used offensively. If all the pets were combined in one alliance or meta-alliance they'd probably number over 2,000 players. And they wouldn't be able to stand up to any other alliance 1/5th their size... Bob as a whole doesn't fight with skill, they fight with isk and numbers. And as we've seen yet again there never has been a node crash or other systems issue that Bob hasn't ended up winning an otherwise unwinnable fight because of. Go roaming through Bob space sometime, in small gangs they are FAR less skilled and react much slower than, say AAA, which I consider to probably be the most powerful group in EVE today.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 12:03:00 - [26] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot HAHHAHAAH there's a box and a button that says "search" on the top right of this page. Yes there is. Why don't you go use it and try to back up your failed arguments? Originally by: Smokie McLottapot T20 never proven? So T20 himself posting on this site that he gave bod T2 BPO's isn't proof? Ofc not, because you'll only see what you want. Please learn to read or ask your mommy to do it for you. I asked you WHAT was proven about the T20 incident, you tosser. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Full of shit, proven wrong. No, the jury is still out, but I have a feeling they will call it in my favor. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Coward, yeah because... oh wait Yes, go on. Coward because...? Because you're posting on an alt despite being an obviously bitter NC member? Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Bitter NC alt...yeah, what ever makes you feel better It doesn't make me feel one way or the other. I'm not the bitter one here. You are. Yeah nothing at all, not like it was on the first page of search or anything. Proof, now stfu boddit My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! BOD's Strategy to winning! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy
Sophie Rebecca British Aerospace Inc	Posted - 2008.10.01 12:05:00 - [27] Smokie McLottapot You sir are a grade A muppet and have little to no clue what your on about but your spewing it accross multiple threads. There are plenty of people on here that are about to make you look stupid so I'll just jump in before. T20 only ever gave himself some T2 ammo BPO's and a Sabre BPO, these were removed when discovered, since then a load of tracking tools / measures have been implemented by CCP to prevent it happening again. It sure as hell isnt why your NC coalition cant stop them. All this crap about BoB getting help is just pure BS anyone can see that I mean take a deep breath and look at it CCP have confirmed in an internal check they have more Dev's that are members of Goonswarm, now Goons dont like BoB much and I'm pretty sure if BoB had some "special" treatment to get onto nodes or watever crap you believe that It'd have been outed by now and screamed from the heavens. Now seriously if your this bitter and believe what your spouting on these boards you need to smokie mclesspot or quit, I mean you wouldnt really want to pay these cheating devs would you
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 12:12:00 - [28] Edited by: Smokie McLottapot on 01/10/2008 12:14:45 Edited by: Smokie McLottapot on 01/10/2008 12:13:13 Originally by: Sophie Rebecca Smokie McLottapot You sir are a grade A muppet and have little to no clue what your on about but your spewing it accross multiple threads. There are plenty of people on here that are about to make you look stupid so I'll just jump in before. T20 only ever gave himself some T2 ammo BPO's and a Sabre BPO, these were removed when discovered, since then a load of tracking tools / measures have been implemented by CCP to prevent it happening again. It sure as hell isnt why your NC coalition cant stop them. All this crap about BoB getting help is just pure BS anyone can see that I mean take a deep breath and look at it CCP have confirmed in an internal check they have more Dev's that are members of Goonswarm, now Goons dont like BoB much and I'm pretty sure if BoB had some "special" treatment to get onto nodes or watever crap you believe that It'd have been outed by now and screamed from the heavens. Now seriously if your this bitter and believe what your spouting on these boards you need to smokie mclesspot or quit, I mean you wouldnt really want to pay these cheating devs would you Yeah because someone willing to risk his job, his credability, and the name of ccp in general ofc would only use these for his personal gain, and would never lie. Where did I say that bod couldn't beat the nc? Nowhere I said this smells like a rat. Yeah because getting caught couldn't possiably make people be more careful about there BS the next time I pay to play eve, posting on these forums comes along with that. If I choose to post about PROVEN cheaters, thats my call not yours. Oh and BTW, before you call me a "muppet" maybe you should look and see who's hand is up your a$$ puling the strings. My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! BOD's Strategy to winning! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.01 12:17:00 - [29] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette No, what's killing Eve, if anything, is people who go on and on about devsploits and hax when they lose a fight. It's people who can't accept that more doesn't always equal victory. It's people who thinks that the only tactic required is to bring a bigger blob. In short, the people that the GBC are in the process of killing right now are the people that are killing Eve. When they are dead and gone, and have preferrably all quit, the game will be much better. amen ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 12:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Sophie Rebecca Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Edited by: Smokie McLottapot on 01/10/2008 12:13:13 Originally by: Sophie Rebecca Smokie McLottapot You sir are a grade A muppet and have little to no clue what your on about but your spewing it accross multiple threads. There are plenty of people on here that are about to make you look stupid so I'll just jump in before. T20 only ever gave himself some T2 ammo BPO's and a Sabre BPO, these were removed when discovered, since then a load of tracking tools / measures have been implemented by CCP to prevent it happening again. It sure as hell isnt why your NC coalition cant stop them. All this crap about BoB getting help is just pure BS anyone can see that I mean take a deep breath and look at it CCP have confirmed in an internal check they have more Dev's that are members of Goonswarm, now Goons dont like BoB much and I'm pretty sure if BoB had some "special" treatment to get onto nodes or watever crap you believe that It'd have been outed by now and screamed from the heavens. Now seriously if your this bitter and believe what your spouting on these boards you need to smokie mclesspot or quit, I mean you wouldnt really want to pay these cheating devs would you Yeah because someone willing to risk his job, his credability, and the name of ccp in general ofc would only use these for his personal gain, and would never lie. Where did I say that bod couldn't beat the nc? Nowhere I said this smells like a rat. Yeah because getting caught couldn't possiably make people be more careful about there BS the next time I pay to play eve, posting on these forums comes along with that. If I choose to post about PROVEN cheaters, thats my call not yours. Just cos you say it's prooven dosent make it so, T20 incident you have it part right but you exadurating the rest, the other stuff in other posts you have no proof of. Your paranoia is overwhelming, theres no way dev's could code something in to let bob log in first or get priority on server messages to reduce lag or anything like that without a hell of a lot of traces being left and I think you know it. As said in the other thread just grow up. Back on Topic before coalitions there were alliances before alliances there were corps, where supported people have always used big numbers and grouped together to achieve goals so I cant see that its killing the game. Nope, doesn't make it so...Linky because devblogs can be faked ofc. Nope, they can reinforce nodes by moving them to the "new" stackless io servers. But can't bring one down if wanted No you :) I couldn't agree more. My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! BOD's Strategy to winning! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy



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