Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette

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Originally by: Smokie McLottapot

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Show me where I have ever said "All of bob" or "bob as a whole"....
I said bob MEMBERS...M.E.M.B.E.R.S.
Once again read first, then spout your childish dribble

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So, you now admit that it was, infact individual BoB members that cheated. Well, T20 was a BoB member that cheated, so you're right there. How about you post your proof about other BoB members then?

Post proof that any BoB members other than T20 has ever knowingly cheated.
Post proof that any BoB members other than T20 has ever, and are still, recieving preferential treatment from CCP.

Once again, until you provide said proof, you're nothing but a bag of hot air, and you really should cancel your account, because right now you're paying 15$ a month to someone just to be able to tell said person that he's cheating you. This cannot be stated enough, because it's one of the most idiotic actions I've ever heard about.

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Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette

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Mindless dribble

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Originally by: Smokie McLottapot

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Once AGAIN it's as simple as a search. Just becuse you don't care to read anything or research to back-up your claims that I'm full of it, doesn't make you right.

Go find t20's old in game name and do a contract search.
Go look up why ISD no longer does events.

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Originally by: Smokie McLottapot

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And as for why I'm "paying 15$ a month to someone just to be able to tell said person that he's cheating you" Because I choose to. When you start paying my bills, you'll get to decide what I do with eve and the forums that I pay for Until that time, eat a bag of *****

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Originally by: Smokie McLottapot

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Once AGAIN it's as simple as a search. Just becuse you don't care to read anything or research to back-up your claims that I'm full of it, doesn't make you right.

Go find t20's old in game name and do a contract search.
Go look up why ISD no longer does events.

And as for why I'm "paying 15$ a month to someone just to be able to tell said person that he's cheating you" Because I choose to. When you start paying my bills, you'll get to decide what I do with eve and the forums that I pay for Until that time, eat a bag of *****

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Originally by: Smokie McLottapot

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Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette

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Mindless dribble

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Why don't you log on that alt of yours and we can talk about this in private?
Or is your mouth to full atm?

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Originally by: Care Bearasoid

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I mean take the BoB campaign at the moment. They currently own Delve and Querious, with some control over Fade, Pure Blind, Deklein and now Vale. As far as I know they are assualting Morsus Mihi in Tribute. Now from what I hear most of the regions they control are pratically empty.


hint hint ;-) use the brain not the rant's

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Originally by: Shadowsword

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You think the NC or the RSF are bad because of NAPfests? Go take a look at what the GBC is, it's not only Bob.

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Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette

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Originally by: Smokie McLottapot

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Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette

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Mindless dribble

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Why don't you log on that alt of yours and we can talk about this in private?
Or is your mouth to full atm?

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No, I'd rather we do this in public. Post your proof, you stupid piece of crap.

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Originally by: Veridical Fawkes

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Smokie McLottapot is TT, now stop giving him the attention he so craves.

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Originally by: SirMolle

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Strategy

Originally by: Smokie McLottapot

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HAHAHA resorting to name calling cause you know the fail has come huh?
READ above instead of slinging insults and you might understand something.
Oh and post with your main, I dare ya :)

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Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette

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Originally by: Smokie McLottapot

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READ above instead of slinging insults and you might understand something.

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Edit: And once again, I pay for the right to post here, AND I shall
My Siggy :) Prove it wrong!
BOD's Strategy to winning!

Originally by: SirMolle

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Strategy

Originally by: Smokie McLottapot

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READ above instead of slinging insults and you might understand something.

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Originally by: Bender

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Interesting, no the other one ... tedious

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Originally by: Johnny Johnny

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Wow, this went from a thread with a couple of good posts, to an absolute troll fest.

/me waves hand and uses the spell to make the trolls go back under the bridge

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Originally by: Sidias

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Are the large alliances of EvE killing the game ? You can't knock what these alliances have done, grouped together with other corps/alliances and created something remarkable. Combining players from many different locations around the world, working together and creating something that very few others can compete against but is this killing the game ?

I mean take the BoB campaign at the moment. They currently own Delve and Querious, with some control over Fade, Pure Blind, Deklein and now Vale. As far as I know they are assualting Morsus Mihi in Tribute. Now from what I hear most of the regions they control are pratically empty.

Now I know this game is 90% PvP but are alliances like BoB with their thousands of people in their coalition stopping smaller upcoming alliances from doing anything in EvE ? It's great being rich in EvE and having isk is always a good thing but surely if the 0.0 space was split up into smaller alliances then this would be more fun as more PvP would be found ?

I don't disagree what BoB are acheiving at the moment as the NC was probably the biggest NAPFest in the game so hopefully once this is broken up BoB will perhaps head south and destroy the other NAPFest down there but having them control so much space that is 90% of the time empty does not seem like a very good thing for EvE as far as I am concerned. Will they break up their coalition once they are done as they will be the largest NAPFest once they break up the other ones ?

I suppose we can look at what does 0.0 offer then

High End Moon Mining
High End Asteroid Mining
High End Plexes
High End Ratting

Ok so moon mining is pretty much all taken up. But what about the Asteroid Mining, Plexes and ratting ? Surely these large alliances are not using all of these resources, so most of them all are all going to waste. If less space was controlled by more alliances then I think EvE would be a richer place for all, not just the leaders of these super alliances. I would think that as a player of this game that you would want the game to thrive and have more players playing, but if things continue the way they are most players will have little interest in high sec and low sec and leave the game.

I suppose its up to the individual players in these super alliances to starting thinking exactly what they are doing to their game. Sure we all like to be on the winning side but if everyone does this then there will be very few things for you to do.

If there were more alliances with less players you can even imagine that lag would be more manageable. Smaller alliances mean less people to battle with so fleet fights in 0.0 would be easier to manage, although there is always the odd corps and alliances that want to blob cause they know they can win by using this method. Fighting with skill and decent pilots is not enough for some and they will always want to destroy the opposition so I suppose my point is quite mute as smaller alliances will just group together to create bigger coalitions. But its the players like this that is causing the lag and the issues with Blob warfare in EvE.

I know this sounds like a bit of a rant but I just feel strongly about the way EvE is heading. I have been playing this game for 5+ years, yes this is not my main character, and have pretty much been involved in every aspect of this game so I have a decent amount of knowledge of EvE.

I am interested in hearing players views on this rather than smack talk, but this is CAOD so I expect some crappy posts.

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Originally by: Lord WarATron

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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 01/10/2008 13:11:46

Originally by: Le Cardinal

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So lets imagine for a second a new alliance takes space. They build their force, defend their space well, and manage to build supercaps. Only that BoB builds them faster and cheaper. So all alliances will be one or ten steps behind BoB. So when BoB decide to attack someone, that someone is pretty much done for. Cause they cant match the quality (in ships and pilots) and will to win. The biggest 3-4 alliances will always stay one step ahead.

Id love seeing BoB go up against AAA or RA fractions. I dont think that will ever happen, but it would be fun to see clash of the titans.

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We fought RA for most of the past year when they joined up with 80% of eve when they invaded Delve, and although the great war is now over, during the I guess you must have been asleep over the past year and missed all those capital battles prior to max as well as the more recent EC-P shenanigans!

Anyhow with regards to big vs small, smashing big bloated established alliances is a good thing. Take the north for example. Before, it was impossible for smaller alliances to gain a foothold, since the entire north would use mass numbers to send 800man gangs roaming about. With MAX, most of the north in tatters, now smaller alliances can move in and smaller scale pvp can beguin. New warlords will come to claim their share. In other words, its a good thing for the game.

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