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Dechmeister	Posted - 2008.10.02 00:38:00 - [1] Ok, I have no clue why I didn't notice this earlier, maybe because I've never "forgotten" about a mission in an unaccepted state before, but I clearly remember a mission giving about 3500LP 3 days ago, and loggin on yesterday and it was now giving me 6998LP... I was very confused there, and asked my corp, but people thought it wasn't possible. So I did another test, took Recon 1/3 LVL4, mission was giving 2550LP, log in tonight and it's now giving 2828LP! I forgot to jot down the ISK reward, but maybe that goes up too? Obviously that's a mission mechanic I was unaware of until now (and my corp). Any one mind explaining this to me so I can also tell my corp of this feature? Thanks!
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2008.10.02 01:28:00 - [2] The jump from 3500 lp to 6998 lp is unlikely unless the effective quality of your agent has changed dramatically (or you have trained up relevent connections skills significantly). Recon being 2500 to 2828lp does not surprise me too much as there is some reward variation between missions even if they are repeated. Effective agent quality works something like this: Agent_quality + negotiation + Integer(standing with agent) = effective quality So with Q -18, negotiation 4 and agent standing of 4.4. effective quality = -18 + (4 x 5) + 4 = +6 If the agent standing went up to 5.0 then the effective quality becomes +7 which will nudge up your rewards. That is close enough to be approximately right. So if you standing with your agent has gone up so will your mission reward. Correct me if I'm wrong. Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
Dechmeister	Posted - 2008.10.02 01:34:00 - [3] Edited by: Dechmeister on 02/10/2008 01:34:10 Originally by: Professor Leech Recon being 2500 to 2828lp does not surprise me too much as there is some reward variation between missions even if they are repeated. Yeah, I know that I could get small reward variations between missions, but in this situation, I clearly marked before going to bed 2550LP, and I didn't do any missions after that to raise my standing, my corp has lower standing towards the NPC corp than my personal one and I didn't train any Social skills to affect it. It's just a free ~300LP increase that I can't explain. And yeah, the first one I didn't jot down the exact LP reward prior to going to bed, it was probably 5500LP and the jump might make sense if i'm getting a boost of 375LP or so each day (I logged in earlier than the full 24 hours of the mission sitting in my journal) so it would almost equal the 6998LP, but it was DEFINITELY not in the 6000s when I took it.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2008.10.02 01:49:00 - [4] Originally by: Dechmeister Edited by: Dechmeister on 02/10/2008 01:34:10 Originally by: Professor Leech Recon being 2500 to 2828lp does not surprise me too much as there is some reward variation between missions even if they are repeated. Yeah, I know that I could get small reward variations between missions, but in this situation, I clearly marked before going to bed 2550LP, and I didn't do any missions after that to raise my standing, my corp has lower standing towards the NPC corp than my personal one and I didn't train any Social skills to affect it. It's just a free ~300LP increase that I can't explain. And yeah, the first one I didn't jot down the exact LP reward prior to going to bed, it was probably 5500LP and the jump might make sense if i'm getting a boost of 375LP or so each day (I logged in earlier than the full 24 hours of the mission sitting in my journal) so it would almost equal the 6998LP, but it was DEFINITELY not in the 6000s when I took it. I can safely say that it's weird. I could speculate that the rewards for the missions have automatically adjusted over dt but I'm not aware that it would affect an existing mission. Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
Dechmeister	Posted - 2008.10.02 02:20:00 - [5] I'm definitely testing this with multiple missions tonight, gonna go around the corps in the system I'm in and take a 3-4 missions and jot down the LP/Isk rewards, then wait exactly 24 hours and see the changes, and wait another 24 hours, and another, until the 6th day and try and see if it's a fixed number, if it goes up exponentially or if I'm on some serious crash! Numbers on the paper & mission journal don't lie though, they moved, in a good way.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2008.10.02 02:21:00 - [6] I would be very interested to see your results. Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
Rattler Morgan Caldari Five Knuckle Shuffle	Posted - 2008.10.02 09:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Dechmeister just reading this post, did the LP change over the patch deployment ? if so this could be the tables updating or even a nice bug with missions that have crept in
Dechmeister	Posted - 2008.10.02 11:58:00 - [8] Originally by: Rattler Morgan Originally by: Dechmeister just reading this post, did the LP change over the patch deployment ? if so this could be the tables updating or even a nice bug with missions that have crept in Yeah, that's when I first noticed it. Never noticed anything of the sort before, but I also never kept unaccepted missions in my journal, or when I did I never re-checked the LP/Isk rewards. It's just that 7kLP was a bit out of whack from the usual.
Pew Pewk	Posted - 2008.10.03 13:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Dechmeister Never noticed anything of the sort before, but I also never kept unaccepted missions in my journal, or when I did I never re-checked the LP/Isk rewards. It's just that 7kLP was a bit out of whack from the usual. I keep unaccepted missions in my journal all the time, and with the frequency I run missions I'm pretty aware of the LP they hand out. Can safely say I never seen anything like what you describe, ever. If you wonder why I keep the unaccepted it's pretty simple; I run missions with enough frequency to never have them expire. I also have one certain system I don't want to run to, so if I have to decline a mission I rather do it before I go to bed than the first thing I do when logging in. Same thing regarding d/t etc, all kind of breaks, keep timer up if need be. Can only assume that what you saw is something temporary, possibly a bug.
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2008.10.03 15:12:00 - [10] I have never noticed anything like this, including missions saved in my journal during the patch. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
Jimi Tetro Vanquish Inc	Posted - 2008.10.03 15:22:00 - [11] Edited by: Jimi Tetro on 03/10/2008 15:23:40 You guys seem to be ignoring the sec status of the system that the mission is located in, which I always believed made a difference. This will certainly explain the 300lp difference for the recon mission.
Carniflex Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.10.04 09:36:00 - [12] Originally by: FT Diomedes I have never noticed anything like this, including missions saved in my journal during the patch. Same here. In my experience once mission is offered to you (ie it shows up in journal, but is not accepted yet) it never changes. Then again I usually do not keep offered, but not accepted missions over patch days. While 2500 to 2800 change seems feasible if auto balancer is getting tortued by a lot of guys doing this particular mission sucsessfully, but considerably slower than usual (auto balancer does not count failed and declined missions, only those sucsessfully completed count) I fint it hard to believe auto balancer on it's own would be capable of doubling the rewards for one mission overnight. Even if whole EVE population would do this missions sucsessfully, but slow enough to not get any bonus rewards. Highest overnight change I have ever seen is approx 1000 LP after patch days for some of the 'new' missions that start out from bottom rewards level.
Carniflex Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.10.04 09:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Jimi Tetro Edited by: Jimi Tetro on 03/10/2008 15:23:40 You guys seem to be ignoring the sec status of the system that the mission is located in, which I always believed made a difference. This will certainly explain the 300lp difference for the recon mission. Agent location sec status affects that, not the location where mission is in. As far as I understand OP was using the same agent (as it was the same mission present in his journal, ie offered but not accepted).

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