Originally by: Reven Cordelle

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In reality, people are like this because committing suicide from the top of a building is a show of weakness and lack of spirit.

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Originally by: Florio

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Originally by: Reven Cordelle

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In reality, people are like this because committing suicide from the top of a building is a show of weakness and lack of spirit.

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How little you know of mental illness. Mental illness is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain or other similar problems with this organ. The desire to commit suicide is sometimes one of the symptoms of such illness.

Are the symptoms of illnesses in other bodily organs, such as crying out in pain when a leg is broken, or peeing yourself when you get a bladder problem, or puking up when you have a stomach bug, also a show of weakness and lack of spirit? Perhaps a show of weakness and lack of strength? Why do ignorants in society react to a brain problem any differently from a problem with any other bodily organ?

I hope you never ever know mental illness or have a loved one suffer from one, even though this would enlighten you.

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Originally by: Multras

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If you are going to make a show you better perform.

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Originally by: Intense Thinker

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Originally by: Multras

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If you are going to make a show you better perform.

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QFT

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Originally by: Reven Cordelle

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Real Life - Cold and Harsh. Adapt or Die.

In reality, people are like this because committing suicide from the top of a building is a show of weakness and lack of spirit. Combined with the fact that the general public generally runs on hatred for themselves nowadays.

It is easier to kill a problem than it is to rectify it. A lot of people will consider a mental condition such as suicidal tendency, to be a massive burden on society.

In my own opinion, the dude has the drive to stand to attention of his death in the first place... even if people did manage to talk him down, he'd either kill himself in a different way or spend the rest of his life in a mental institution as a danger to himself and others.

In a way, suicide is a selfish act, especially to your family and friends. Every month somebody throws themselves in front of my train to work... it delays the entire train and its 100+ passengers for an hour or more.

That 100 people risk their careers by being late, just because this one individual didn't have the thought to either kill himself with an overdose or a gunshot.

Public Suicide is a show. Even though it is a terminal cry for attention, it is still a cry for attention. Most of the valid, tragic suicides will either be undiscovered self-exsanguination, drowning or overdoses. You do not need to jump from a building to end your own life. Nor do you have to make it public.

In this case, making your suicide a "public event" will only make people react to it as a public event. The person standing at the top of that building is not a suffering person to them, that person is a showman.

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Originally by: kor anon

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but wheres the brotherly love?

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Oh, so it wasn't a 'real' suicide then, all a show?

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Derby - thats your answer, proberly a gang of chavs goading him

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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari

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this. Having had a family member take their own life due to serious mental trauma is no matter to be taken lightly, nor just brushed off as a "sign of weakness".

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Originally by: Raymond Sterns

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Edited by: Raymond Sterns on 03/10/2008 03:05:15

Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari

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this. Having had a family member take their own life due to serious mental trauma is no matter to be taken lightly, nor just brushed off as a "sign of weakness".

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Nature does not take emotions into account.

Sign of weakness or not, nature will try to do it's job one way or the other.

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Originally by: Reven Cordelle

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QFT.

Ever see a wolf commit suicide because it couldn't get the sheep? Not really no. He just keeps trying till he guts that ****er and wins the game, OR he dies of starvation (pretty shitty wolf if he can't kill SOMETHING...)

Safe to say; Grow some balls or die trying.

And yeah, He should have done a flip.

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Originally by: Dantes Revenge

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Originally by: Reven Cordelle

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QFT.

Ever see a wolf commit suicide because it couldn't get the sheep? Not really no. He just keeps trying till he guts that ****er and wins the game, OR he dies of starvation (pretty shitty wolf if he can't kill SOMETHING...)

Safe to say; Grow some balls or die trying.

And yeah, He should have done a flip.

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While your analogy may seem plausible to you, the wolf does not have the mental capacity to feel as humans do, they are driven by instinct alone. Your dog does not "love" you, he is a pack animal and sees you as part of his pack. The pack heirarchy denotes that he is the lowest class and takes his orders from everyone else. He greets you with the same enthusiasm as he would the alpha male in a pack of dogs, just because you are human does not change his behaviour. If your dog considers you to be weaker than him, he will challenge you for the chance to take your place in the heirarchy. Don't try to presume animals have human emotional responses, if they did, you would probably see a wolf commit suicide because he feels that he is a failure.

The human brain has the capacity to involve emotional responses in everything it does. When emotions are part of what drives, failure, loss and even bullying can cause the brain to seek refuge even if that means death. An underlying cause of suicide being an option is the one thing that religion teaches - There is something beyond death. If you truly believe that you cannot die, suicide is just a means to get away from your current predicament and on to something better, almost like taking the left road instead of the right to avoid a particular town on a journey.

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Originally by: Dantes Revenge

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While your analogy may seem plausible to you, the wolf does not have the mental capacity to feel as humans do, they are driven by instinct alone. Your dog does not "love" you, he is a pack animal and sees you as part of his pack.

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Rabbits form very strong emotional bonds with one anther. When they lose a companion through death or any other permanent separation, the survivor grieves. This grief may be expressed in ways that we expect such as loss of appetite and acting withdrawn. However, it may also manifest itself in ways that seem strange to us. An increase in destructive behavior, aggression or a deterioration in litterbox habits are sometimes observed in the surviving rabbit. Because rabbits communicate in non-verbal ways, it is difficult if not impossible to explain to them what happened to their friend. The mourning period is often greatly reduced if the survivor can spend a few hours with the body of her partner. This is the only way that they can learn and come to terms with the reality of death, by sniffing, seeing, and touching. If one rabbit dies while hospitalized, request the body to show the surviving rabbit. The bereaved rabbit will accept consolation more readily, knowing where his or her mate has gone. There have even been reports of rabbits who continued to search the house or wait expectantly for their missing partner to return for several weeks.

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Originally by: kor anon

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Yes even if it is natures way of getting rid of the weak, wheres the harm in showing compasion and trying to talk em out of it or helping them in another ways, it costs nothing

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Originally by: Dantes Revenge

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Originally by: Reven Cordelle

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QFT.

Ever see a wolf commit suicide because it couldn't get the sheep? Not really no. He just keeps trying till he guts that ****er and wins the game, OR he dies of starvation (pretty shitty wolf if he can't kill SOMETHING...)

Safe to say; Grow some balls or die trying.

And yeah, He should have done a flip.

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While your analogy may seem plausible to you, the wolf does not have the mental capacity to feel as humans do, they are driven by instinct alone. Your dog does not "love" you, he is a pack animal and sees you as part of his pack. The pack heirarchy denotes that he is the lowest class and takes his orders from everyone else. He greets you with the same enthusiasm as he would the alpha male in a pack of dogs, just because you are human does not change his behaviour. If your dog considers you to be weaker than him, he will challenge you for the chance to take your place in the heirarchy. Don't try to presume animals have human emotional responses, if they did, you would probably see a wolf commit suicide because he feels that he is a failure.

The human brain has the capacity to involve emotional responses in everything it does. When emotions are part of what drives, failure, loss and even bullying can cause the brain to seek refuge even if that means death. An underlying cause of suicide being an option is the one thing that religion teaches - There is something beyond death. If you truly believe that you cannot die, suicide is just a means to get away from your current predicament and on to something better, almost like taking the left road instead of the right to avoid a particular town on a journey.

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Originally by: Corwain

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Edited by: Corwain on 03/10/2008 16:02:23

Originally by: kor anon

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Yes even if it is natures way of getting rid of the weak, wheres the harm in showing compasion and trying to talk em out of it or helping them in another ways, it costs nothing

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It turns out you can't take responsibility for someone else's happiness.

It just doesn't work. You can't "reason" people out of suicide. If it works they weren't serious about committing suicide anyways. If they were serious your reasoning them out will only be temporary. You can treat the symptoms by hopping em up on drugs, but in the end they still want to kill themselves when in their normal state of mind. The only way to stop em permanatly is a strait jacket and a padded cell. Just let them enjoy their right to kill themselves. God!

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Originally by: Eran Laude

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to be honest that goes against the grain of what it means to be human.

Have people no honour? No dignity? It's pretty disgusting that something like this can happen in the 21st Century.

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Originally by: kor anon

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Well thats a great lesson to teach your kids right there 'dont help anyone cos they wont appreciate it or will do whatever they were gonna do anyway'

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Originally by: Eran Laude

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Regardless of any of the strings attached to suicide, it simply appalls me that people would essentially tell someone that their life is indeed not worth living and they should jump . . . to be honest that goes against the grain of what it means to be human.

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Originally by: Corwain

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Originally by: kor anon

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Well thats a great lesson to teach your kids right there 'dont help anyone cos they wont appreciate it or will do whatever they were gonna do anyway'

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Ironic statement coming from someone in the alliance "Brothers Grim".

I appreciate that you feel you need hope, or to believe that the world is a fuzzy fuzzy pink bunny place where we can all eat clover. Unfortunatly the world is not simple, it is complex, the world is not a happy place, it is cold hard and cruel. You say you hear that too much, well here's some statistics. According to the UN in 2003 25,000 die every day of starvation. According to research by the World Bank, 56 percent of the world's population survive on an income of less than $730 per year or $2 per day. I could go on and on. Sorry, but "Boo hoo think of the children" is not a valid argument in my book.

Some of you have an overly rosy view of the 21st century.

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Originally by: kor anon

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Edited by: kor anon on 03/10/2008 18:40:18

Originally by: Corwain

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Originally by: kor anon

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Well thats a great lesson to teach your kids right there 'dont help anyone cos they wont appreciate it or will do whatever they were gonna do anyway'

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Ironic statement coming from someone in the alliance "Brothers Grim".

I appreciate that you feel you need hope, or to believe that the world is a fuzzy fuzzy pink bunny place where we can all eat clover. Unfortunatly the world is not simple, it is complex, the world is not a happy place, it is cold hard and cruel. You say you hear that too much, well here's some statistics. According to the UN in 2003 25,000 die every day of starvation. According to research by the World Bank, 56 percent of the world's population survive on an income of less than $730 per year or $2 per day. I could go on and on. Sorry, but "Boo hoo think of the children" is not a valid argument in my book.

Some of you have an overly rosy view of the 21st century.

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no i know that the world is a very bad place and we are not much more than barbarians, BUT if we want to advance we need to show compassion.

edit: yes because i joined this alliance purely on their name

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