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LordSwift INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE	Posted - 2008.10.02 12:17:00 - [1] I am ashamed to be british. i cant belive some people can do something like this. Linky Also i read this comment and i am even more ashamed. (This is on the page Quote: I moved to Derby 18 yrs ago & loved the community spirit Derby held -up until last weekend - I am sicken to read comments made in Mondays Derby Evening Telegraph that one woman was annoyed at the selfish act of this boy & how her afternoon was ruined due to this - Also I sat on a bus listening to 3 elderly people saying they were fed up & why did he have to take so long to jump!!!! It disgusts me that people call themselves human being that because he had not got a physical problem & it was mental issues which we can't always see they close their eyes to others & think they are the only people that matters in their tunnel vision world. Words fail me- I hope the little mite rests in peace away from these cruel people
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.02 12:25:00 - [2] cold and callous, sorry to say it but its not just the british that do this sort of thing. people dont care about anyone else until it imposes badly on themselves
LordSwift INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE	Posted - 2008.10.02 12:28:00 - [3] Originally by: kor anon cold and callous, sorry to say it but its not just the british that do this sort of thing. people dont care about anyone else until it imposes badly on themselves Yeah that is true. its quite sad really
P'uck	Posted - 2008.10.02 12:30:00 - [4] And one again, the monkeysphere. People will be filth until they accept their monkeysphere - and work with it.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.02 12:32:00 - [5] Idiots.
Marie Duvolle United Sentients	Posted - 2008.10.02 12:34:00 - [6] Edited by: Marie Duvolle on 02/10/2008 12:34:26 That's pretty apalling. Per usual being faceless in a crowd (or on the internet) somehow makes the powerless feel as if they're not responsible for their actions. It's not like humans are a virtue and gift to this world, might as well accept that fact. Don't stir the hornet's nest
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.10.02 12:40:00 - [7] To be completely honest, in today's completely heartless society, it doesn't surprise me in the least. I can't feel anything but loathing for people that would do this sort of thing.
Roxanna Kell Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.02 12:41:00 - [8] Similar stories are around the world. The darn thing is that people are hardened by movies and reality TV, Life has become almost a joke. And frankly it probably is, but boundaries shouldn't be crossed. What i am wondering about is how come fireman didn't put like a landing inflatable or something? they had 3 hours. Quote: There is no Dishonor in winning fools, so do it any way you can.
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.02 12:42:00 - [9] Real Life - Cold and Harsh. Adapt or Die. In reality, people are like this because committing suicide from the top of a building is a show of weakness and lack of spirit. Combined with the fact that the general public generally runs on hatred for themselves nowadays. It is easier to kill a problem than it is to rectify it. A lot of people will consider a mental condition such as suicidal tendency, to be a massive burden on society. In my own opinion, the dude has the drive to stand to attention of his death in the first place... even if people did manage to talk him down, he'd either kill himself in a different way or spend the rest of his life in a mental institution as a danger to himself and others. In a way, suicide is a selfish act, especially to your family and friends. Every month somebody throws themselves in front of my train to work... it delays the entire train and its 100+ passengers for an hour or more. That 100 people risk their careers by being late, just because this one individual didn't have the thought to either kill himself with an overdose or a gunshot. Public Suicide is a show. Even though it is a terminal cry for attention, it is still a cry for attention. Most of the valid, tragic suicides will either be undiscovered self-exsanguination, drowning or overdoses. You do not need to jump from a building to end your own life. Nor do you have to make it public. In this case, making your suicide a "public event" will only make people react to it as a public event. The person standing at the top of that building is not a suffering person to them, that person is a showman.
Marie Duvolle United Sentients	Posted - 2008.10.02 12:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Real Life - Cold and Harsh. Adapt or Die. In reality, people are like this because committing suicide from the top of a building is a show of weakness and lack of spirit. Combined with the fact that the general public generally runs on hatred for themselves nowadays. It is easier to kill a problem than it is to rectify it. A lot of people will consider a mental condition such as suicidal tendency, to be a massive burden on society. In my own opinion, the dude has the drive to stand to attention of his death in the first place... even if people did manage to talk him down, he'd either kill himself in a different way or spend the rest of his life in a mental institution as a danger to himself and others. In a way, suicide is a selfish act, especially to your family and friends. Every month somebody throws themselves in front of my train to work... it delays the entire train and its 100+ passengers for an hour or more. That 100 people risk their careers by being late, just because this one individual didn't have the thought to either kill himself with an overdose or a gunshot. Public Suicide is a show. Even though it is a terminal cry for attention, it is still a cry for attention. Most of the valid, tragic suicides will either be undiscovered self-exsanguination, drowning or overdoses. You do not need to jump from a building to end your own life. Nor do you have to make it public. In this case, making your suicide a "public event" will only make people react to it as a public event. The person standing at the top of that building is not a suffering person to them, that person is a showman. If people who are in a situation like that they're hardly capable of rational thought or able to find help, that's kinda the point. If we follow your way of thinking where people who are 'trouble' should just be let go we might as well close down hospitals and medicare, letting disease and and natural selection 'purify' our society. Did you get any medical/financial aid lately? Don't stir the hornet's nest

LordSwift INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE	Posted - 2008.10.02 12:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Real Life - Cold and Harsh. Adapt or Die. man i am getting sick of that adapt or die phrase.
LordSwift INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE	Posted - 2008.10.02 12:53:00 - [12] Edited by: LordSwift on 02/10/2008 12:53:56 Going of my own topic, in a bit of a ranty mood today. Further proof of government clamping down on us I really wish i had the power to stop wasting all the money on these stupid studies. Most of them are a pile of poo
Marie Duvolle United Sentients	Posted - 2008.10.02 12:56:00 - [13] People are stupid. Regardless if they're young, parents or old aged. Stupidity breeds. Don't stir the hornet's nest
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.02 13:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Reven Cordelle on 02/10/2008 13:11:47 Originally by: Marie Duvolle Did you get any medical/financial aid lately? Can't say I did. Sorry man, but if some dude wants to jump off the top of a building thats his own business. You might as well let him do it, at the end of the day... its just one less person in the world that wouldnt have done anything else 'cept sit in a dark corner either crying, self harming or get driven to the point of shooting up a shopping mall and commiting suicide as a bloody, rage driven crescendo, thusly not only killing himself but several others. If i was to discard all shreds of compassion; If more people that committed suicide just got on with it, there would be a lot less hassle in the world. You have to doubt the sanity anyway, killing yourself? Over what? Did it say? Was he being bullied by the big kids or did his Mom take away his My Chemical Romance CD? As hes a teenager, I sincerely doubt he was that mind-wrecked to have commited suicide over anything more than a trivial issue with his peers, that alone is tragic. Well, hes dead now so what can you do. Imo, he should have aimed to land on the people shouting "Jump you wussy ****" at him.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.10.02 13:29:00 - [15] It would be nice if some disconnected person followed one of those urging the boy to jump home and murdered him, just because life doesn't really matter after all. Then left a message for the press to publish so we all knew justice had been served. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.02 13:30:00 - [16] but wheres the brotherly love?
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.02 13:33:00 - [17] Originally by: kor anon but wheres the brotherly love? It was found to be sexist and not politically correct, so they banned it.
Sharra Savente Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.10.02 13:44:00 - [18] Originally by: kor anon but wheres the brotherly love? San Francisco, or Grenich Village:) ____ English doesn't borrow from other languages; it follows other languages down dark alleys, coshes 'em, then rummages in their pockets for loose bits of grammar.
Sharra Savente Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.10.02 13:52:00 - [19] Edited by: Sharra Savente on 02/10/2008 13:53:40 http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,871135,00.html Most states have this on the books, but this link was the one I found:) ____ English doesn't borrow from other languages; it follows other languages down dark alleys, coshes 'em, then rummages in their pockets for loose bits of grammar.
Roxanna Kell Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.02 14:02:00 - [20] Originally by: LordSwift Originally by: Reven Cordelle Real Life - Cold and Harsh. Adapt or Die. man i am getting sick of that adapt or die phrase. Adapt than, kill them all off :) that ll teach them. Quote: There is no Dishonor in winning fools, so do it any way you can.

Grimwalius d'Antan Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.02 14:15:00 - [21] I'm a bit skeptical about this article, I think they are just looking to blow a story out of proportions and, well, get people to spread the link. Only one or two people have to shout, or even mutter such thoughts recklessly and someone tells the media. They make it sound like the police made the effort to make an official statement, but this "police spokesman" may just be the guy who answered the phone at the station when the reporter made the call to confirm the facts. It looks better that way from a sales perspective. The tone of the article really does give the impression that the police are issuing a statement because a big crowd was heckling a suicidal boy. They call it "news" and it sells. That being said, the western society is largely morally bankrupt. We're so desensitized to death and suffering through entertainment, dubious news and urban legends, nothing seems real and no message gets through to us anymore. Tragedy, **** and injustice is boring, it's the same old, same old. When a video appears of a man being beaten by a gang of police men many try and tell themselves "he probably deserved it". When a prostitute is found strangled and mutilated people tell themselves "oh well she was most certainly a drug addict, these things happen". Some kid is standing around on a rooftop making a big fuss, "Just do it or go home, sissy". We don't care anymore. We're just a number in the social security records, same as everyone else. Their fates doesn't matter. Plenty more where they came from. I read a discussion somewhere that people are developing traits similar to post-dramatic stress syndrome from watching violent footage from Iraq, Afghanistan and Chechnya. I think there is weight to that argument, partially from my own experience. It's very sad that a young man suffered enough to jump. It's sad to think there is a family mourning somewhere. Oh well, let's sensationalize the hecklers. It sells to these depraved masses. _______ Griefing is to ruin a friendly game, which Eve is not.
Tao Han Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Blade.	Posted - 2008.10.02 14:34:00 - [22] The song Spring comes to mind. And yes, ppl suck. --------------
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.10.02 14:49:00 - [23] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 02/10/2008 14:48:54 Originally by: Sharra Savente Edited by: Sharra Savente on 02/10/2008 13:53:40 http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,871135,00.html Most states have this on the books, but this link was the one I found:) Originally by: The Article "But this is a serious business," warns a top New York prosecutor, "and the laws are tehre to be used." Sounds like a forum post. - DesuSigs
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.10.02 15:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Roxanna Kell The darn thing is that people are hardened by movies and reality TV, It's a good thing that the regular practice of public executions did nothing to harden our forefather's generations. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.10.02 16:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Reven Cordelle ...if some dude wants to jump off the top of a building thats his own business. You might as well let him do it, at the end of the day... its just one less person in the world that wouldnt have done anything else 'cept sit in a dark corner either crying, self harming or get driven to the point of shooting up a shopping mall and commiting suicide as a bloody, rage driven crescendo, thusly not only killing himself but several others. From an equally cold, actuarial point of view, you are wrong. Consider the money spent educating, housing, feeding and clothing this individual over the course of his life, over the 17 or so years up to that point, and then the possibility of how much of a contribution to society, just in purely economic terms, he could potentially have made, earning money, spending it, and paying tax, had he gone on to live a natural life. On average, over the whole population, it makes sense to save as many people as possible; there will always be a few who really are beyond all help, and will be a burden on their peers, but I hold that the vast majority are far more resilient than you give them credit. This is the basis on which a surprising number of decisions are made - for example, whether or not to spend money on road improvements to reduce accident rates in particular areas. Even what might seem like a tiny crop of accidents can quite reasonably justify spending thousands of pounds, because of the loss of income to the state that might result otherwise. --- DIY copying in Liekuri 20:1 mineral compression Eve Online folding@home team
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.02 16:14:00 - [26] "Do a flip!!!" ~Bender --------------------- It's me! Your lovable forum warrior!!!
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.10.02 16:27:00 - [27] This is why suicidal people should run amok more often. At least they then take some of those idiots with them. -------- Ideas for: Mining
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.02 16:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Abrazzar This is why suicidal people should run amok more often. At least they then take some of those idiots with them. they do they are called suicide bombers
Death4free Caldari ADAMA Corps Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.10.02 16:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Real Life - Cold and Harsh. Adapt or Die. In reality, people are like this because committing suicide from the top of a building is a show of weakness and lack of spirit. Combined with the fact that the general public generally runs on hatred for themselves nowadays. It is easier to kill a problem than it is to rectify it. A lot of people will consider a mental condition such as suicidal tendency, to be a massive burden on society. In my own opinion, the dude has the drive to stand to attention of his death in the first place... even if people did manage to talk him down, he'd either kill himself in a different way or spend the rest of his life in a mental institution as a danger to himself and others. In a way, suicide is a selfish act, especially to your family and friends. Every month somebody throws themselves in front of my train to work... it delays the entire train and its 100+ passengers for an hour or more. That 100 people risk their careers by being late, just because this one individual didn't have the thought to either kill himself with an overdose or a gunshot. Public Suicide is a show. Even though it is a terminal cry for attention, it is still a cry for attention. Most of the valid, tragic suicides will either be undiscovered self-exsanguination, drowning or overdoses. You do not need to jump from a building to end your own life. Nor do you have to make it public. In this case, making your suicide a "public event" will only make people react to it as a public event. The person standing at the top of that building is not a suffering person to them, that person is a showman. This. Its natures way of weeding out the weak. Eve information kiosk
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.02 17:03:00 - [30] ^ explain jade goody?

WhiteSavage Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.02 17:11:00 - [31] I'm sorry I am part of a system that allows things like this to happen. ___________________________________________ ..My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.10.02 17:25:00 - [32] Edited by: Pwett on 02/10/2008 17:25:37 Gotta say, good work on the Police's response. A stern critique should show them what's what. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Florio Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.10.02 17:46:00 - [33] Originally by: Reven Cordelle In reality, people are like this because committing suicide from the top of a building is a show of weakness and lack of spirit. How little you know of mental illness. Mental illness is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain or other similar problems with this organ. The desire to commit suicide is sometimes one of the symptoms of such illness. Are the symptoms of illnesses in other bodily organs, such as crying out in pain when a leg is broken, or peeing yourself when you get a bladder problem, or puking up when you have a stomach bug, also a show of weakness and lack of spirit? Perhaps a show of weakness and lack of strength? Why do ignorants in society react to a brain problem any differently from a problem with any other bodily organ? I hope you never ever know mental illness or have a loved one suffer from one, even though this would enlighten you.
Captain Hudson Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.02 17:59:00 - [34] Derby - thats your answer, proberly a gang of chavs goading him Bin Laden Dancing
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.02 18:08:00 - [35] Originally by: Florio Originally by: Reven Cordelle In reality, people are like this because committing suicide from the top of a building is a show of weakness and lack of spirit. How little you know of mental illness. Mental illness is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain or other similar problems with this organ. The desire to commit suicide is sometimes one of the symptoms of such illness. Are the symptoms of illnesses in other bodily organs, such as crying out in pain when a leg is broken, or peeing yourself when you get a bladder problem, or puking up when you have a stomach bug, also a show of weakness and lack of spirit? Perhaps a show of weakness and lack of strength? Why do ignorants in society react to a brain problem any differently from a problem with any other bodily organ? I hope you never ever know mental illness or have a loved one suffer from one, even though this would enlighten you. this. Having had a family member take their own life due to serious mental trauma is no matter to be taken lightly, nor just brushed off as a "sign of weakness". You evidently have had the luck to not be in a situation wherein you faced the same troubles the family and friends have to go through for sometimes years with someone who basically, is not 100% there and is a danger to themselves. Whilst I'd probably be heartless enough to say that you should have had the same experience, its something even in my darkest dreams would not wish upon someone else in reality. -
Multras Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.02 18:12:00 - [36] If you are going to make a show you better perform. Thanks to EVE Art Store for the sig.
Ren Surkova Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2008.10.02 18:18:00 - [37] what a ****ing drama queen
P'uck	Posted - 2008.10.02 18:37:00 - [38] Edited by: P''uck on 02/10/2008 18:37:09 I wondered where all those kind of responses were, after all its the eve-o forums... What took you guys so long?
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.02 18:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Multras If you are going to make a show you better perform. QFT --------------------- It's me! Your lovable forum warrior!!!
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.02 20:19:00 - [40] Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: Multras If you are going to make a show you better perform. QFT Seconded You can *** at me that I'm a "very mean person, shame shame" all you want. You can spend your whole life trying to help guys like this, and you never will. Even the crazies are never cured, they put em on drugs to suppress the symptoms. End of the day some people are incurably ed up. You can tell the incurables from the savable ones because the savable ones won't jump when you tell them to. So tell every idiot on a ledge to jump. If they do they weren't worth your time trying to save, and you just bought your children some of the finite resources left on planet earth. If they don't you just saved em. Gotta love win-win situations. And oh yeah, ** the police. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview

Constantine Arcanum IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2008.10.02 20:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Real Life - Cold and Harsh. Adapt or Die. In reality, people are like this because committing suicide from the top of a building is a show of weakness and lack of spirit. Combined with the fact that the general public generally runs on hatred for themselves nowadays. It is easier to kill a problem than it is to rectify it. A lot of people will consider a mental condition such as suicidal tendency, to be a massive burden on society. In my own opinion, the dude has the drive to stand to attention of his death in the first place... even if people did manage to talk him down, he'd either kill himself in a different way or spend the rest of his life in a mental institution as a danger to himself and others. In a way, suicide is a selfish act, especially to your family and friends. Every month somebody throws themselves in front of my train to work... it delays the entire train and its 100+ passengers for an hour or more. That 100 people risk their careers by being late, just because this one individual didn't have the thought to either kill himself with an overdose or a gunshot. Public Suicide is a show. Even though it is a terminal cry for attention, it is still a cry for attention. Most of the valid, tragic suicides will either be undiscovered self-exsanguination, drowning or overdoses. You do not need to jump from a building to end your own life. Nor do you have to make it public. In this case, making your suicide a "public event" will only make people react to it as a public event. The person standing at the top of that building is not a suffering person to them, that person is a showman. Oh, so it wasn't a 'real' suicide then, all a show? ****er
Jago Kain Amarr Pan Galactic Traders	Posted - 2008.10.02 21:23:00 - [42] Originally by: kor anon but wheres the brotherly love? It's right here. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.10.02 21:44:00 - [43] did he make a nice pancake?
Phoenus Caldari Enlightened Incorporated	Posted - 2008.10.02 21:55:00 - [44] I was actually back in Derby (born there, currently living/working in France), by chance last week when this happened. I was in the City Centre on the day, and although I didn't get chance to head up to the area, was absolutely sickened from what I heard from the various people there. You simply can't put a value on a human life. The Shopping Centre roof was, ironically enough, supposed to have been designed in such a way that this couldn't happen. Quote: Oh, so it wasn't a 'real' suicide then, all a show? The suicide in Derby (linked in the OP) was a real suicide. Quote: Derby - thats your answer, proberly a gang of chavs goading him Sad but true. Spent 11 days back there and I swear the chav population is starting to outnumber the none-chav population.
KarGard Agent-Orange	Posted - 2008.10.03 02:21:00 - [45] They should have shouted for a barrel roll.
Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.10.03 03:05:00 - [46] Edited by: Raymond Sterns on 03/10/2008 03:05:15 Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari this. Having had a family member take their own life due to serious mental trauma is no matter to be taken lightly, nor just brushed off as a "sign of weakness". Nature does not take emotions into account. Sign of weakness or not, nature will try to do it's job one way or the other. _
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.03 14:26:00 - [47] Originally by: Raymond Sterns Edited by: Raymond Sterns on 03/10/2008 03:05:15 Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari this. Having had a family member take their own life due to serious mental trauma is no matter to be taken lightly, nor just brushed off as a "sign of weakness". Nature does not take emotions into account. Sign of weakness or not, nature will try to do it's job one way or the other. QFT. Ever see a wolf commit suicide because it couldn't get the sheep? Not really no. He just keeps trying till he guts that ****er and wins the game, OR he dies of starvation (pretty shitty wolf if he can't kill SOMETHING...) Safe to say; Grow some balls or die trying. And yeah, He should have done a flip.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.03 15:24:00 - [48] Originally by: Reven Cordelle QFT. Ever see a wolf commit suicide because it couldn't get the sheep? Not really no. He just keeps trying till he guts that ****er and wins the game, OR he dies of starvation (pretty shitty wolf if he can't kill SOMETHING...) Safe to say; Grow some balls or die trying. And yeah, He should have done a flip. While your analogy may seem plausible to you, the wolf does not have the mental capacity to feel as humans do, they are driven by instinct alone. Your dog does not "love" you, he is a pack animal and sees you as part of his pack. The pack heirarchy denotes that he is the lowest class and takes his orders from everyone else. He greets you with the same enthusiasm as he would the alpha male in a pack of dogs, just because you are human does not change his behaviour. If your dog considers you to be weaker than him, he will challenge you for the chance to take your place in the heirarchy. Don't try to presume animals have human emotional responses, if they did, you would probably see a wolf commit suicide because he feels that he is a failure. The human brain has the capacity to involve emotional responses in everything it does. When emotions are part of what drives, failure, loss and even bullying can cause the brain to seek refuge even if that means death. An underlying cause of suicide being an option is the one thing that religion teaches - There is something beyond death. If you truly believe that you cannot die, suicide is just a means to get away from your current predicament and on to something better, almost like taking the left road instead of the right to avoid a particular town on a journey. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken.
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.03 15:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Reven Cordelle QFT. Ever see a wolf commit suicide because it couldn't get the sheep? Not really no. He just keeps trying till he guts that ****er and wins the game, OR he dies of starvation (pretty shitty wolf if he can't kill SOMETHING...) Safe to say; Grow some balls or die trying. And yeah, He should have done a flip. While your analogy may seem plausible to you, the wolf does not have the mental capacity to feel as humans do, they are driven by instinct alone. Your dog does not "love" you, he is a pack animal and sees you as part of his pack. The pack heirarchy denotes that he is the lowest class and takes his orders from everyone else. He greets you with the same enthusiasm as he would the alpha male in a pack of dogs, just because you are human does not change his behaviour. If your dog considers you to be weaker than him, he will challenge you for the chance to take your place in the heirarchy. Don't try to presume animals have human emotional responses, if they did, you would probably see a wolf commit suicide because he feels that he is a failure. The human brain has the capacity to involve emotional responses in everything it does. When emotions are part of what drives, failure, loss and even bullying can cause the brain to seek refuge even if that means death. An underlying cause of suicide being an option is the one thing that religion teaches - There is something beyond death. If you truly believe that you cannot die, suicide is just a means to get away from your current predicament and on to something better, almost like taking the left road instead of the right to avoid a particular town on a journey. If the brains inability to deal with emotion in the correct manner is flawed, and only finds respite in death, then the entire brain is defective. It is not natural process to end your life. Such a situation questions the integrity of the individual, moreover... if you absolutely must commit suicide because someone stole your girlfriend, then you are defeating the object of life directly. The point of life on this planet is to not feel emotion and then kill yourself if it gets too hard, the broad scope is not that individual. The point of life is life itself, to exist and procreate and sustain the race on a whole. If you kill yourself, then I can only see that as built-in population management or a defect in the brain. Regardless, Suicide IS population control. Oh, and if i was to quote the bible and christianity (being the most popular religion in the United States) (1 Corinthians 3:16-17 NIV) [16] Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? [17] If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple. I can only assume that by this, anyone that kills themselves will NOT go onto a better place. I personally am not religious, but this proves as a good example to how flawed it is when people think suicide is the ultimate in salvation.
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.03 15:38:00 - [50] Originally by: Dantes Revenge While your analogy may seem plausible to you, the wolf does not have the mental capacity to feel as humans do, they are driven by instinct alone. Your dog does not "love" you, he is a pack animal and sees you as part of his pack. Bull shit. You are underestimating the complexity of animals. Quote: Rabbits form very strong emotional bonds with one anther. When they lose a companion through death or any other permanent separation, the survivor grieves. This grief may be expressed in ways that we expect such as loss of appetite and acting withdrawn. However, it may also manifest itself in ways that seem strange to us. An increase in destructive behavior, aggression or a deterioration in litterbox habits are sometimes observed in the surviving rabbit. Because rabbits communicate in non-verbal ways, it is difficult if not impossible to explain to them what happened to their friend. The mourning period is often greatly reduced if the survivor can spend a few hours with the body of her partner. This is the only way that they can learn and come to terms with the reality of death, by sniffing, seeing, and touching. If one rabbit dies while hospitalized, request the body to show the surviving rabbit. The bereaved rabbit will accept consolation more readily, knowing where his or her mate has gone. There have even been reports of rabbits who continued to search the house or wait expectantly for their missing partner to return for several weeks. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview

kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.03 15:42:00 - [51] Yes even if it is natures way of getting rid of the weak, wheres the harm in showing compasion and trying to talk em out of it or helping them in another ways, it costs nothing
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.03 16:00:00 - [52] Edited by: Corwain on 03/10/2008 16:02:23 Originally by: kor anon Yes even if it is natures way of getting rid of the weak, wheres the harm in showing compasion and trying to talk em out of it or helping them in another ways, it costs nothing It turns out you can't take responsibility for someone else's happiness. It just doesn't work. You can't "reason" people out of suicide. If it works they weren't serious about committing suicide anyways. If they were serious your reasoning them out will only be temporary. You can treat the symptoms by hopping em up on drugs, but in the end they still want to kill themselves when in their normal state of mind. The only way to stop em permanatly is a strait jacket and a padded cell. Just let them enjoy their right to kill themselves. God! -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.10.03 16:02:00 - [53] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Reven Cordelle QFT. Ever see a wolf commit suicide because it couldn't get the sheep? Not really no. He just keeps trying till he guts that ****er and wins the game, OR he dies of starvation (pretty shitty wolf if he can't kill SOMETHING...) Safe to say; Grow some balls or die trying. And yeah, He should have done a flip. While your analogy may seem plausible to you, the wolf does not have the mental capacity to feel as humans do, they are driven by instinct alone. Your dog does not "love" you, he is a pack animal and sees you as part of his pack. The pack heirarchy denotes that he is the lowest class and takes his orders from everyone else. He greets you with the same enthusiasm as he would the alpha male in a pack of dogs, just because you are human does not change his behaviour. If your dog considers you to be weaker than him, he will challenge you for the chance to take your place in the heirarchy. Don't try to presume animals have human emotional responses, if they did, you would probably see a wolf commit suicide because he feels that he is a failure. The human brain has the capacity to involve emotional responses in everything it does. When emotions are part of what drives, failure, loss and even bullying can cause the brain to seek refuge even if that means death. An underlying cause of suicide being an option is the one thing that religion teaches - There is something beyond death. If you truly believe that you cannot die, suicide is just a means to get away from your current predicament and on to something better, almost like taking the left road instead of the right to avoid a particular town on a journey. You still can't seem to grasp that we are a fluke in nature's balancing equation. _
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.03 17:27:00 - [54] Originally by: Corwain Edited by: Corwain on 03/10/2008 16:02:23 Originally by: kor anon Yes even if it is natures way of getting rid of the weak, wheres the harm in showing compasion and trying to talk em out of it or helping them in another ways, it costs nothing It turns out you can't take responsibility for someone else's happiness. It just doesn't work. You can't "reason" people out of suicide. If it works they weren't serious about committing suicide anyways. If they were serious your reasoning them out will only be temporary. You can treat the symptoms by hopping em up on drugs, but in the end they still want to kill themselves when in their normal state of mind. The only way to stop em permanatly is a strait jacket and a padded cell. Just let them enjoy their right to kill themselves. God! Well thats a great lesson to teach your kids right there 'dont help anyone cos they wont appreciate it or will do whatever they were gonna do anyway'
Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.10.03 17:36:00 - [55] Regardless of any of the strings attached to suicide, it simply appalls me that people would essentially tell someone that their life is indeed not worth living and they should jump . . . to be honest that goes against the grain of what it means to be human. Have people no honour? No dignity? It's pretty disgusting that something like this can happen in the 21st Century.
Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.10.03 18:04:00 - [56] Originally by: Eran Laude to be honest that goes against the grain of what it means to be human. Have people no honour? No dignity? It's pretty disgusting that something like this can happen in the 21st Century. This made me laugh. Do you live in Disneyland, by any chance? _
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.03 18:35:00 - [57] Originally by: kor anon Well thats a great lesson to teach your kids right there 'dont help anyone cos they wont appreciate it or will do whatever they were gonna do anyway' Ironic statement coming from someone in the alliance "Brothers Grim". I appreciate that you feel you need hope, or to believe that the world is a fuzzy fuzzy pink bunny place where we can all eat clover. Unfortunatly the world is not simple, it is complex, the world is not a happy place, it is cold hard and cruel. You say you hear that too much, well here's some statistics. According to the UN in 2003 25,000 die every day of starvation. According to research by the World Bank, 56 percent of the world's population survive on an income of less than $730 per year or $2 per day. I could go on and on. Sorry, but "Boo hoo think of the children" is not a valid argument in my book. Some of you have an overly rosy view of the 21st century. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.03 18:38:00 - [58] Originally by: Eran Laude Regardless of any of the strings attached to suicide, it simply appalls me that people would essentially tell someone that their life is indeed not worth living and they should jump . . . to be honest that goes against the grain of what it means to be human. To be honest you don't seem to know the first thing about human suffering. Who are you to tell someone that they don't have the right to take their own life? To tell someone that their life IS worth living when they can see that often the only thing that drives people to survive is instinct and to pass on their genes? -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.03 18:40:00 - [59] Edited by: kor anon on 03/10/2008 18:40:18 Originally by: Corwain Originally by: kor anon Well thats a great lesson to teach your kids right there 'dont help anyone cos they wont appreciate it or will do whatever they were gonna do anyway' Ironic statement coming from someone in the alliance "Brothers Grim". I appreciate that you feel you need hope, or to believe that the world is a fuzzy fuzzy pink bunny place where we can all eat clover. Unfortunatly the world is not simple, it is complex, the world is not a happy place, it is cold hard and cruel. You say you hear that too much, well here's some statistics. According to the UN in 2003 25,000 die every day of starvation. According to research by the World Bank, 56 percent of the world's population survive on an income of less than $730 per year or $2 per day. I could go on and on. Sorry, but "Boo hoo think of the children" is not a valid argument in my book. Some of you have an overly rosy view of the 21st century. no i know that the world is a very bad place and we are not much more than barbarians, BUT if we want to advance we need to show compassion. edit: yes because i joined this alliance purely on their name
Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.10.03 18:49:00 - [60] Originally by: kor anon Edited by: kor anon on 03/10/2008 18:40:18 Originally by: Corwain Originally by: kor anon Well thats a great lesson to teach your kids right there 'dont help anyone cos they wont appreciate it or will do whatever they were gonna do anyway' Ironic statement coming from someone in the alliance "Brothers Grim". I appreciate that you feel you need hope, or to believe that the world is a fuzzy fuzzy pink bunny place where we can all eat clover. Unfortunatly the world is not simple, it is complex, the world is not a happy place, it is cold hard and cruel. You say you hear that too much, well here's some statistics. According to the UN in 2003 25,000 die every day of starvation. According to research by the World Bank, 56 percent of the world's population survive on an income of less than $730 per year or $2 per day. I could go on and on. Sorry, but "Boo hoo think of the children" is not a valid argument in my book. Some of you have an overly rosy view of the 21st century. no i know that the world is a very bad place and we are not much more than barbarians, BUT if we want to advance we need to show compassion. edit: yes because i joined this alliance purely on their name Advance, where exactly? _

kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.03 18:52:00 - [61] Maybe beyond the realm of douchebaggery?
Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.10.03 18:57:00 - [62] Originally by: kor anon Maybe beyond the realm of douchebaggery? Oh, you mean religion? Have fun. _
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.03 18:59:00 - [63] Yeah damn straight religion. Even though the organised religions often do alot of harm at least they try to promote goodness, and nobilty. While dissolutioned wastes of spaces go "whats the point?"
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.03 19:14:00 - [64] Last I checked we advance by being stronger, meaner, faster, and smarter. Not by helping the weak. Not saying I'm against teamwork, but I am saying leave the weak behind to die. Encourage them to do the right thing to strengthen the human race by taking themselves out of it even. Now that's true altruism, laying down your life for the betterment of your species. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.03 19:23:00 - [65] Originally by: Corwain Last I checked we advance by being stronger, meaner, faster, and smarter. Not by helping the weak. Not saying I'm against teamwork, but I am saying leave the weak behind to die. Encourage them to do the right thing to strengthen the human race by taking themselves out of it even. Now that's true altruism, laying down your life for the betterment of your species. But that will happen regardless of what we do, but we dont have to be ********s by encouraging people to die do we? There is more to the improvement of our species than merely our genes. Oh right so your saying that smart people are not worthy to live if they happen to be weak? Now your living in a fantasy world mate, last time i checked we live in a pretty much non threatening environment -> survival of the fittest goes out the window there. Frankly your pessimistic nature and lack of faith in other people deserves no place within humanities ranks
Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.10.03 19:44:00 - [66] Originally by: kor anon Frankly your pessimistic nature and lack of faith in other people deserves no place within humanities ranks Neither do delusionists and make believers. _
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.03 19:46:00 - [67] Originally by: Raymond Sterns Originally by: kor anon Frankly your pessimistic nature and lack of faith in other people deserves no place within humanities ranks Neither do delusionists and make believers. Nothing wrong with a little hope, and belief in god/s is powerful tool you just have to know where to point it
Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.10.03 19:48:00 - [68] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Raymond Sterns Originally by: kor anon Frankly your pessimistic nature and lack of faith in other people deserves no place within humanities ranks Neither do delusionists and make believers. Nothing wrong with a little hope, and belief in god/s is powerful tool you just have to know where to point it Of course, of course. Not like religion hasn't sparked some of the most horrible wars in humanity's history. _
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.03 19:51:00 - [69] WArs happen because we like wars and we are good at em, we just need an excuse thats all
Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.10.03 20:03:00 - [70] Originally by: kor anon WArs happen because we like wars and we are good at em, we just need an excuse thats all Thank you for proving my point.

kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.03 20:10:00 - [71] Originally by: Raymond Sterns Originally by: kor anon WArs happen because we like wars and we are good at em, we just need an excuse thats all Thank you for proving my point. Yes i agree we are in the shits now, BUT we have to start acting kindly in order for this behavior to fade
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.03 20:10:00 - [72] Originally by: kor anon Oh right so your saying that smart people are not worthy to live if they happen to be weak? Darwins definition of weak is not physically weak. Genetic strength means lots of positive useful traits (high intellect as well as high physical strength.) Originally by: kor anon Now your living in a fantasy world mate, last time i checked we live in a pretty much non threatening environment -> survival of the fittest goes out the window there. Frankly your pessimistic nature and lack of faith in other people deserves no place within humanities ranks If you don't believe the statistics that's your choice, but statistics show very much so that it is still a dog eat dog world out there with massive numbers starving to death every day and over half the worlds population making less that $2 US a day, that that study was before the US economy took two to the face. I am a realist, not a pessimist. Also, you need to take a good look behind you at what "humanities ranks" really look like. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.03 20:14:00 - [73] Originally by: Corwain Originally by: kor anon Oh right so your saying that smart people are not worthy to live if they happen to be weak? Darwins definition of weak is not physically weak. Genetic strength means lots of positive useful traits (high intellect as well as high physical strength.) Originally by: kor anon Now your living in a fantasy world mate, last time i checked we live in a pretty much non threatening environment -> survival of the fittest goes out the window there. Frankly your pessimistic nature and lack of faith in other people deserves no place within humanities ranks If you don't believe the statistics that's your choice, but statistics show very much so that it is still a dog eat dog world out there with massive numbers starving to death every day and over half the worlds population making less that $2 US a day, that that study was before the US economy took two to the face. I am a realist, not a pessimist. Also, you need to take a good look behind you at what "humanities ranks" really look like. certainly not where you or i live mate else you wouldnt even be on these forums
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.03 20:28:00 - [74] Originally by: kor anon certainly not where you or i live mate else you wouldnt even be on these forums Not as much as the worst places in the world, but I've had some close calls and wouldn't still be alive if not for friends and family to take me in during the bad times. But note that I asked for that help. That's where I draw the line, "helping" someone that doesn't want your help. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.10.03 21:05:00 - [75] This seems to have devolved into a debate as to whether humanity should see itself in purely evolutionary terms, or aspire to be something 'better' - which is academic anyway since every region in the world has made its choice. So here's a perspective a bit more relevant. Of those people who shouted at the kid to jump, how many of them relied on the fact that in this part of the world we have chosen to aspire to be 'better' and help the weak? Any of them on social welfare because they cannot work? Any of them have accidents and need significant hospital care? Heck, any of them wear glasses? If so, they are relying on this compassionate mindset, and then turning their backs on it by encouraging someone to kill themselves. So take away these things rely on, and let them demonstrate that they will either survive with no exceptional level of help, or die trying.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.03 21:35:00 - [76] Why try to be better? We on the way out the door anyway
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.03 22:48:00 - [77] Originally by: Corwain Originally by: Dantes Revenge While your analogy may seem plausible to you, the wolf does not have the mental capacity to feel as humans do, they are driven by instinct alone. Your dog does not "love" you, he is a pack animal and sees you as part of his pack. Bull shit. You are underestimating the complexity of animals. Quote: Rabbits form very strong emotional bonds with one anther. When they lose a companion through death or any other permanent separation, the survivor grieves. This grief may be expressed in ways that we expect such as loss of appetite and acting withdrawn. However, it may also manifest itself in ways that seem strange to us. An increase in destructive behavior, aggression or a deterioration in litterbox habits are sometimes observed in the surviving rabbit. Because rabbits communicate in non-verbal ways, it is difficult if not impossible to explain to them what happened to their friend. The mourning period is often greatly reduced if the survivor can spend a few hours with the body of her partner. This is the only way that they can learn and come to terms with the reality of death, by sniffing, seeing, and touching. If one rabbit dies while hospitalized, request the body to show the surviving rabbit. The bereaved rabbit will accept consolation more readily, knowing where his or her mate has gone. There have even been reports of rabbits who continued to search the house or wait expectantly for their missing partner to return for several weeks. I notice the lack of reference for your source material, it came from Pets Weekly maybe? Something written by animal lovers who try to show animals have emtional responses? Rabbits are monogomous by nature which is indicated by the rate at which they can breed. If they were not, we would have a real problem with the rabbit population. As such, they are not mourning their partner, simply verifying that their current partner is gone forever before moving on to another. Being able to see the dead body ensures they realise while seperation leads them to do all manner of things, even searching to ensure their partner is gone. Animals have limited brain power and it is more probable that, because they can only concentrate on one thing at a time means they forget to eat etc. I've been through this arguement with someone before and I refuse to believe that any animal has emotional responses. I can reason how it is instinct just as easily as emotion that drives animals to do certain things. I've never seen a rabbit try to commit suicide because he lost a partner. Explain then why a dog will attack you if he considers you weaker than he is? A simple show of mastery will calm even the most ferocious dog into a whimpering pet. If you show him why you are the alpha, he will follow you. It's not love that makes him do that, it's pack instinct, survival of the fittest. Alsations are notorious for turning on soft owners and my friend had to beat his dog savagely with a large lump of wood before it backed down and realised. Now it follows him everywhere, follows commands and appears to be everyones dream pet. If you beat someone who loves you half to death, don't you think that the love would be diminished considerably and, at the first opportunity, they would be off to someone who returns their love? That is why dogs don't do that, you have proved that you are strong and fit to be considered the alpha of the pack. I think it is you and others like you who are underestimating the complexity of instinct. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken.
B0rn2KiLL Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.03 22:50:00 - [78] Right, and i get asked why i don't like people? **** you. here's to a nuclear ending to this god damned heartless race! drinks --- Originally by: Oveur It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.03 22:51:00 - [79] No need for insults --------------------- It's me! Your lovable forum warrior!!!
PounderPlums McLovin	Posted - 2008.10.03 22:56:00 - [80] Well i do agree on some points, yes the human crowd mentality drops IQ faster then americans can charge up a visa card. Yes i do suppose we should all be much more compationate and not so ambivalant. Well i hell i call shananagans on that! Screw the kid, i would have been the first to start chanting jump. If you can't pull your weight then get out of the gene-pool

Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.10.03 23:33:00 - [81] lol, hypocrisy.
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.04 03:22:00 - [82] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Rabbits are monogomous by nature which is indicated by the rate at which they can breed. If they were not, we would have a real problem with the rabbit population. As such, they are not mourning their partner, simply verifying that their current partner is gone forever before moving on to another. Being able to see the dead body ensures they realise while seperation leads them to do all manner of things, even searching to ensure their partner is gone. Animals have limited brain power and it is more probable that, because they can only concentrate on one thing at a time means they forget to eat etc. I've been through this arguement with someone before and I refuse to believe that any animal has emotional responses. I can reason how it is instinct just as easily as emotion that drives animals to do certain things. I've never seen a rabbit try to commit suicide because he lost a partner. Explain then why a dog will attack you if he considers you weaker than he is? A simple show of mastery will calm even the most ferocious dog into a whimpering pet. If you show him why you are the alpha, he will follow you. It's not love that makes him do that, it's pack instinct, survival of the fittest. Alsations are notorious for turning on soft owners and my friend had to beat his dog savagely with a large lump of wood before it backed down and realised. Now it follows him everywhere, follows commands and appears to be everyones dream pet. If you beat someone who loves you half to death, don't you think that the love would be diminished considerably and, at the first opportunity, they would be off to someone who returns their love? That is why dogs don't do that, you have proved that you are strong and fit to be considered the alpha of the pack. I think it is you and others like you who are underestimating the complexity of instinct. 1. I grabbed that particular quote from a pet info website, yes. That doesn't discout its validity. You're missing something though, I didn't say mate, I said BONDED PAIR. Rabbits bonding with each other is not mating, it is how rabbits form their social groups. Rabbits can form bonded trios, quartets, etc. etc. So they're not mates, their relationship can be more closely compared to what would be a lifelong friend in human terms. Rabbits can bond not only with other rabbits, but also with animals of different species: dogs, cats, even people. A good sign of a bond is that the rabbit will groom those that it is bonded to. 2. The social structure of dogs does not disprove that there are emotions involved. It is ridiculous of you to state that animals have no emotions, to anyone that has spent any length of time with the more intelligent animals it is very clear that animals not only have emotions, but other things like sense of humor. Man is just an animal after all, and emotions are important to survival. According to a psychology textbook in my possession there are 7 universally recognized emotions. Perhaps you don't know what emotions are, some examples are: fear, surprise, happiness, sadness, and disgust. Maybe you think that your dog was just ACTING surprised when the cat dive bombed him when he was asleep but really wasn't?
Vabjekf	Posted - 2008.10.04 05:10:00 - [83] Whats all this. Humans are animals you know. Some animals are more advanced from other animals. I find it hard to believe that humans are the ONLY animals that have emotions. That does not mean most animals have them. Same thing for plants probably. I bet some plants are more complex than other plants. Its harder for us to understand plants though because they are so different from us we have totally no frame of reference to even begin trying to ponder what their form of awareness is. Trying to translate animal behavior into human behavior is stupid, it doesn't work that way. But remember we all come from the same planet, and evolved from the same thing. The way our minds work have much more in common with the way a dogs mind works than the way some sort of alien dogs mind works. And we are more closely related to cabbage than we would be to some alien. And truly may understand cabbage better than we can relate to even an intelligent alien.
Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.10.04 06:51:00 - [84] Lol whoat
Seroquel	Posted - 2008.10.05 06:14:00 - [85] There is so much stupid in your post, where does one start? Originally by: PounderPlums McLovin Well i do agree on some points, yes the human crowd mentality drops IQ faster then americans can charge up a visa card. Yes i do suppose we should all be much more compationate and not so ambivalant. Well i hell i call shananagans on that! Screw the kid, i would have been the first to start chanting jump. If you can't pull your weight then get out of the gene-pool (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.10.05 06:29:00 - [86] I'm mixed on this; I don't feel sorry for this guy, I feel sorry for his family who has to mourn for him. He's selfish in killing himself. On the other hand, that is pretty stupid of the crowd to demand that he jump. What kind of ****ing society does that? BPO and BPC


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