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FuPhal
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Posted - 2004.06.21 20:46:00 -
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Maybe someone can explain this to me but...
Why are they so omg expensive when theyre only fractionally better than a normal frigate?
They either need to reduce production/sales costs or drastically improve theyre survivabilty or both tbh....
That and the training time is a joke compared with what u get for it :/
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Perry
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Posted - 2004.06.21 20:54:00 -
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"fractionally better" ???
Ok, lets have a look:
Regular Frigate: Executioner:
High: 2
Med: 1
Low: 3
Turrets: 2
Armor: 195
Shild: 150
Structure: 175
Speed: 350
Grid: 25
CPU: 100
And now the Crusader Elite:
High: 4
Med: 2
Low: 4
Turrets: 4
Armor: 425
Shild: 175
Structure: 425
Speed: 455
Grid: 40
CPU: 100
And now come back and tell me that the Crusader is only fractionally better than the Executioner 
Dont compare the Interceptors with regular lvl3 combat frigates. Compare them to their regular-versions and then ask.
Thats my opionen, feel free to have another.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.06.21 20:55:00 -
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A properly equipped and piloted Interceptor is more akin to a cruiser than a frigate.
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FuPhal
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Posted - 2004.06.21 21:00:00 -
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Only a retard in a cruiser would be killed by a solo interceptor.
Cruiser only needs a few light missiles or drones and thats it, Interceptor has to run or be killed.
I expect alot more for the stupid pricetag u have to pay. Interceptors cant take damage, they cant avoid damage ( only players guns after that last patch ).
Ships with such a short expected lifetime should be miles cheaper.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.06.21 21:04:00 -
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Same argument back then, only a retard in an interceptor would be killed by a few light missiles from a cruiser.
Hint: smartbomb.
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J Delacroix
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Posted - 2004.06.21 22:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Perry
Dont compare the Interceptors with regular lvl3 combat frigates. Compare them to their regular-versions and then ask.
why? why not compare it to the lvl3 frigate so you get an accurate comparison of cost/stats.
Frigate: Punisher
High: 4
Med: 2
Low: 4
Turrets: 3
Armor: 300
Shild: 250
Structure: 250
Speed: 250
Grid: 125
CPU: 42
And now the Crusader Elite:
High: 4
Med: 2
Low: 4
Turrets: 4
Armor: 425
Shild: 175
Structure: 425
Speed: 455
Grid: 100
CPU: 40
to sum up, elite frig has: 1 more turret, more armour, more structure, more speed. but LESS shield, cpu and grid. seems more like a trade-off than a justification for a 10x multiplier to the price tag.
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FuPhal
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Posted - 2004.06.21 22:11:00 -
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lol do u even fly an interceptor?
To take any advantange of the last patch u need to be very close to ure target, this is also the case for interceptors who have warp scramblers fitted with a 7.5km range. Now with the new way missiles fire, u wouldnt have a chance to react in time with ure smart bomb to blow the missiles. The only other option is to leave the smart bomb pulsing which then means u might not even blow the missiles and ure eating away at ure cap which doesnt last all that long anyway.
After this last patch, 2 light missiles = about 50% of an interceptors shields..
The only cruiser ure gonna take out with an interceptor is an afk cruiser or a cruiser with only guns fitted. Meanwhile the cruiser has all day to think about what ure doing cos hes got 900-2000 shield hitpoints which is plenty of time to launch drones / fire missiles or load fof missiles.
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Mimo
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Posted - 2004.06.21 22:25:00 -
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Why they are expensive?
You might go and check for yourself :9
You need the following:
(In case of a Crow)
Required Tech II Components:
- 20 Gravimetric Sensor Cluster
- 30 Graviton Reactor Unit (Good luck babe :D)
- 40 Megapulse Thruster
- 20 Quantum Microprocessor
- 25 Scalar Capacitor Unit
- 25 Sustained Shield Emitter
- 30 Trimorphite Armor Plate
Required Minerals:
- 220 Tritanium
- 220 Pyerite
- 22 Mexallon
- 22 Isogen
- 11 Zydrine
- 11 Megacyte
- 6 Morphite
Other:
- 1 Condor
- 10 Construction Blocks
Then be sure to have learned:
Industry 5
Frigate Construction 1
Mechanical Engineering 1
Starship Engineering 1
Then grab one of the 2 BPC tickets you get per day and build 2 interceptors...
Go and calculate for yourself what's the difference to a 200k frigate.
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FuPhal
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Posted - 2004.06.21 22:35:00 -
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I know the actual reason why they are so expensive... What i want to know is why CCP have made it this way, Platinum insurance doesnt even cover 25 % of the ships value so either somethings is very wrong here or CCP just meant interceptors to be an expensive waste of time?
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Hanse Davion
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Posted - 2004.06.21 22:46:00 -
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I see a lot of posts knocking the poster on the cost factor. True it's a "Elite" and uses Components which don't drop often and/or are hard to get. But the fact is Interceptors are not all that much better then your average lvl3 Combat frigate. Also as we are talking about using them in combat which means they will be lost. Why would I buy a Interceptor which cost about the same as a lvl2 or lvl3 Cruiser when I can do the same things with a 200K to 300K Lvl3 Combat frigate? Which by the way will not cost as much nor take as long to build, nor require as many skills, and due to the patch put out about the same damage if not more.
Based on my limited experience with frigate combat I still think the Kestral is the end all be all even after the cruise missle/frigate nerf. But that is just MHO.
Just because the things are labled "Elite" and cost 2 arms, 2 legs, and your first born to build. Doesn't mean they are actually Elite or worth the cost......
Frigates are supposed to be expendable assets that you use to keep fire off of your expensive capital ships. Right now as it stands it will hurt a corp more to kill their interceptors then it will to kill thier crusiers. That doesn't make sense to me....
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Kin Oreyn
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Posted - 2004.06.21 23:41:00 -
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I can see that many of the posters here haven't even flown an interceptor, you should listen to the ones that have. For those trying to compare them to the lvl 3 frigs, just wait till the rest of the elite frigs come out, and then you can compare them to their counterparts.
As for their survivability, I fly them all the time and I've only lost 1 inty in the months that I've been flying them, and that was mostly due to lag.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.06.22 00:08:00 -
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An Interceptors Speed Alone makes it better then any frigate, Not to mention the REALLY low sig radius. Even with a MWD your sig radius becomes that of a regular frigate, not that of a Cruiser which is great. Plus with a MWD, you can easily go over 3km/s, at 3km/s Say bye bye to missiles, MIssiles cant touch you. I was fighting a corp mate today who was in a rupture, in my kestrel. My kestrel had a 1mn AB and a 1mn MWD, He fired a volley of Heavy missiles at me, and I was orbiting him, His missiles never reached me They were always on my tail,a nd his guns were always missing, now with an interceptor it gets even better because your going faster/less sig radius.
Not to mention, any extra armor/shields you can get is better. And Speed Speed Speed is key for frigates.
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Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2004.06.22 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: J Delacroix
Originally by: Perry
Dont compare the Interceptors with regular lvl3 combat frigates. Compare them to their regular-versions and then ask.
why? why not compare it to the lvl3 frigate so you get an accurate comparison of cost/stats.
Frigate: Punisher
High: 4
Med: 2
Low: 4
Turrets: 3
Armor: 300
Shild: 250
Structure: 250
Speed: 250
Grid: 125
CPU: 42
And now the Crusader Elite:
High: 4
Med: 2
Low: 4
Turrets: 4
Armor: 425
Shild: 175
Structure: 425
Speed: 455
Grid: 100
CPU: 40
to sum up, elite frig has: 1 more turret, more armour, more structure, more speed. but LESS shield, cpu and grid. seems more like a trade-off than a justification for a 10x multiplier to the price tag.
damn nubbies...
tghe 25% DAMAGE BONUS + cap help does huge amounts for the thing.... an interceptor can outfire most cruisers... not to mention you wont be able to hit it with it circling you at fast speeds
with the massive massive damage output of these things you can kill a level 3 combat frigate in seconds... I kill punishers and Merlins all the time... Rifters usually run.
Ive also killed a Maller with the thing because he couldnt hit me.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.06.22 03:33:00 -
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Interceptors are good because you cant catch one if it doesnt want to be caught, and to kill one you MUST have drones or a webber.
If you are in a cruiser without one of those two things, then chances are very high that you will die to an interceptor.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.06.22 04:04:00 -
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My Crusader is currently the favorite of all the ships I've flown in Eve. It is fierce and fast and aggressive, and dictates the terms of combat rather than allowing the enemy to do so. It is responsible for the vast majority of player kills and poddings I've inflicted.
I find it is thrilling to fly the Crusader because of the many things that can go wrong and end up costing me a lot of money - I spent the first month of my time playing Eve flying in cheap and disposable tier 3 frigates, never losing any money but eventually losing all interest in combat. The Crusader, with its myriad named items and hopelessly broken insurance, gives me an edge-of-the-seat feeling whenever I enter combat.
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.06.22 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: FuPhal
Only a retard in a cruiser would be killed by a solo interceptor.
Cruiser only needs a few light missiles or drones and thats it, Interceptor has to run or be killed.
I expect alot more for the stupid pricetag u have to pay. Interceptors cant take damage, they cant avoid damage ( only players guns after that last patch ).
Ships with such a short expected lifetime should be miles cheaper.
Well, I know NPC isnt like players, however, last night I killed a caracel 50k rat with my claw, he got no solid hits on me, none of his missiles hit me. I wasnt even at armor damage when he was killed.
A bit later I killed a pack of NPC kestrels, leaded by one of these new commander types, (85k kestrel), same deal, killed em all without a scratch.
If you cant track it, you cant hit it, and if you aint prepeared to hunt fast moving frigs especially. Like have a webber, smartbomb etc on your ship, well, be surprised.
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2004.06.22 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: FuPhal
lol do u even fly an interceptor?
I do 
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After this last patch, 2 light missiles = about 50% of an interceptors shields..
So far, lights only travel at 1000km/s - if you're in an Inty and get hit by lights, then you deserve to lose 50% of your shields. And while we're on the topic, if you're being attacked by an Interceptor and all you have are lights to defend, you're dead anyway. 
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The only cruiser ure gonna take out with an interceptor is an afk cruiser or a cruiser with only guns fitted.
I think you misunderstand the purpose of an Interceptor if you are trying to take cruisers on 1v1. Unless of course, they're NPC's...
So, back to the topic: why are they so expensive? The answer is simple, friend: because there is a market for them.
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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FuPhal
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Posted - 2004.06.22 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: FuPhal on 22/06/2004 06:59:11
Nice to see forums dont change and people just read 1 sentence go off on one.
How do u avoid being hit by light missiles when ure orbitting a ship at 7,500 km ? Unless ure one of these people that just flys in an interceptor and doesnt use any EW gear.
Id happily take on an Interceptor with a cruiser fitted with only light missiles
As for the noob that said they have a much lower sig radius even WITH a mwd active, well thats BS. After the patch i tested it on the Raptor i had at the time. My raptor had 60.8 sig radius as normal with lv4 interceptors and witht the MWD activated it was 364m, my MOA only has 230 m sig radius.
The fact is, yes Interceptors are better than normal frigates ( although not by far ) but they are definitly not worth the price tag of a cruiser (thats if u can find a cheap 1 )
You also cant insure an Interceptor for more than a fraction of the ship cost.
I just want more survivability for a 7-9mil ship that only has about 500hp altogether, either that or some drastic reduction in parts/build costs cos unless ure one of these people that just flies around in 1 but doesnt try to fight anything and runs away all the time when u will lose ships.
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Artean
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Posted - 2004.06.22 07:33:00 -
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An additional ship bonus that would decrease the micro warp penalty (the increased sig radius) would be sufficient to make ceptors competative.
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Liz Bathory
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Posted - 2004.06.22 07:48:00 -
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for those that say an interceptor is crap..
i fitted a rifter for killing ast, dangerous missile armed ships.. aka crows
bumped into a claw.. warped off and stopped at the wrap exit, so as to catch him in webber range
locked and webber, then cut loose with 2 125mm gatling autocannon, and 2 small proton smartbombs on autorepeat
i blew up before he took 10% armour damage
he was also using 125mm autocannon, and considered the sb's a nasty surprise
that's all i have to say to anyone calling interceptors crap
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KingsGambit
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Posted - 2004.06.22 07:55:00 -
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If you add up *purely* the minerals & the base mineral value of the Tech II components, at apporximately NPC prices, an interceptor would cost about what it is insured for. *However* Tech II blueprints require a) a very high skill set to work with b) a considerable amount of time to copy/build from and c) Tech II components are not sold for their base mineral value, but for more. For example, a Sensor Cluster should cost around 4k, but usually sell for 6k-7k, a 50-75% profit, which is more than almost any item in the game off hand.
Regardless, why would someone want to fly one? Well a frigate's *strengths* are it's speed, agility and size compared to larger ships. Thus, an Interceptor is faster, more agile and smaller than any other frigate. Couple that with better fittings, good bonuses, much better sensors, more shield/hull/armour and you are left with a ship that's the best there is at what it does...and what it does ain't pretty! Nigh on impossible to hit (current drone tracking excepted), and nothing faster, takes forever to target one.
In an engagement, range is set by the faster ship (webbifiers excepted), and if you control the range then you have a massive advantage. At the end of the day, you can't kill what you can't hit.
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2004.06.22 07:57:00 -
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any interceptor can take out a maller fitted with medium lasers :D... honestly interceptors rock, I could take on a few frigs with just my one and come out on top, I can cut through another frig in under 3 seconds no problem. The damage output on the taranis is staggering. With good gunnery skills I am getting over 160 DPS without even having my optimal weapons setup... only thing I am afraid of is drones... cuz chances are if I am in webber range of my target, they are already dead...
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2004.06.22 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: FuPhal
Nice to see forums dont change and people just read 1 sentence go off on one.
Don't know who you were referring to - I quoted you three times.
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How do u avoid being hit by light missiles when ure orbitting a ship at 7,500 km ? Unless ure one of these people that just flys in an interceptor and doesnt use any EW gear.
You must be one of those people who can't change tactics and ship loadouts. 
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Id happily take on an Interceptor with a cruiser fitted with only light missiles
I'll take you up on that -have a Maller to lose? As stated before, an Interceptor isn't made for taking cruisers on 1v1 anyway - why are you going on and on about it?
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The fact is, yes Interceptors are better than normal frigates ( although not by far ) but they are definitly not worth the price tag of a cruiser (thats if u can find a cheap 1 )
Either people don't care and buy them anyway, or you're wrong. Considering the amount of Inty's flying... 
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You also cant insure an Interceptor for more than a fraction of the ship cost.
Yep, sucks to lose one. Guess you've got to have be either really rich or a pretty good pilot to fly one for a while, huh?
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I just want more survivability for a 7-9mil ship that only has about 500hp altogether, either that or [blah blah]
Change your tactics, change your loadouts, or change your mind on what Interceptors are made for. Just because they can engage a target doesn't mean that they're supposed to finish said target off (especially alone).
Using an Inty as a sole combat ship and then whining because it costs so much to replace makes about as much sense as using a BS as a shuttle and whining that it's not fast enough.
Give it a rest, please. 
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2004.06.22 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: FuPhal
Only a retard in a cruiser would be killed by a solo interceptor.
Cruiser only needs a few light missiles or drones and thats it, Interceptor has to run or be killed.
I expect alot more for the stupid pricetag u have to pay. Interceptors cant take damage, they cant avoid damage ( only players guns after that last patch ).
Ships with such a short expected lifetime should be miles cheaper.
Well the I have killed alot of retards... but I dont consider them retards.... I consider the interceptor good ships, personaly I can now fly em all except amarr ones...
But yes 9 m for a raptor in es is to much.... and 15 m for a crow... well ive wont buy them at that price.
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2004.06.22 09:24:00 -
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Well they're really overpriced if u ask me. And yes they're impossible to hit with medium or large guns, even if u orbit at optimum range of those guns. But the bad part is, that u usualy need to get close to the target and if he has a web or drones or a smartbomb... well u can just hope u can fly away alive. But then again, they're not made to go solo against capital ships. :)
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FuPhal
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Posted - 2004.06.22 09:24:00 -
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I hardly ever take on anything alone, i dont think Interceptors should be able to take on a cruiser solo.
Yes i can change my load out/equipment but without a scrambler and a webber im not really any use to my gang mates. I always play in a gang and my role is to run after small craft or any craft at a distance and scramble/web them to give my gang a chance to target and shoot.
As for the guy that wants to have a go against me in a cruiser ( cant remember ure name and cba to check back :P ) I dont have a mauler, only a MOA or BB atm so ure welcome to have a go against them if u want :)
As for the other guy who lost a frigate to an Interceptor... woopadidoo.... 200k ship vs 7 million ship :/ that must mean Interceptors are worth the price and training then
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Nighthawk
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Posted - 2004.06.22 09:41:00 -
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Edited by: Nighthawk on 22/06/2004 09:43:01
i can fly all ceptors and would say they are worth the training time for frigate piltos, as compared to non elite frigates they are substantially better....a properly setup ceptor will win 1vs1 against a normal frigate period (unless the ceptor pilot is a nub).
the cost on the other hand is totally ott, i wish players would stop ripping us off for all they possibly can.......i mean 15mil for a crow?? thats clearly taking the **** :(
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.06.22 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: FuPhal
I hardly ever take on anything alone, i dont think Interceptors should be able to take on a cruiser solo.
Why do you think this? Surely if the inty pilot feels he stands a chance and is confident in his ability then why not?
I have to say I have taken on BS in the past, maybe knowing I can't win due to lack of sustained fire power and drones but still have a go.
There is no bigger buzz than engaging a ship of substantially larger size and fire power, not knowing what defences they carry.
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2004.06.22 11:21:00 -
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FuPHal, WTF are you yacking about? You've strayed so far from your own topic that it looks like you're arguing just to hear yourself talk!
Originally by: FuPhal
Why are they so omg expensive...?
Originally by: Latex Mistress
...because there is a market for it.
If people weren't willing to fork out the ISK, then I suppose the sellers would prolly drop the prices (ala Heron), eh?
So it's as I said - either Interceptors are better than you claim, or EVE is full of deluded Interceptor pilots who think they are and are willing to pay HUGELY inflated prices for them.
My money's on the former...
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.06.22 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Arbenowskee
Well they're really overpriced if u ask me. And yes they're impossible to hit with medium or large guns, even if u orbit at optimum range of those guns. But the bad part is, that u usualy need to get close to the target and if he has a web or drones or a smartbomb... well u can just hope u can fly away alive. But then again, they're not made to go solo against capital ships. :)
A interceptor use about 190 construction components, spread out on 7 different types. Reactors and processors being the most expensive. There was a guy on market forum wanting to buy Gravitor reactors for 100k a unit. 30 Reactors is used to build one interceptor, then there is still 6 different components to cover. Now.. why is a interceptor expensive? Its all about the availability of components, the price of those can be aquired, and the demand of the types of interceptors. If the Crow is to pricy for you, then maybe you should look for another interceptor that is less popular and cost a bit less.
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