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Triniton	Posted - 2004.06.22 12:56:00 - [31] Quote: When will you realise this ISN'T a PVP game !! You are not playing the same game as I am thats for sure, EVE is the best PVP game I have ever played and has the ability to become a much better PVP game if the devs took theyre heads out of theyre ... and listend to the PVP players. About this tactic my corpmate Leitari is talking about alot of ppl have started to use it lately and its becomeing very annoying that ppl get away with this. And when they log back in they can stop theyre ship before it warps back to the gate and stay at the safepoint CCP(FFS!) gave them.. HOW COOL IS THAT BTW: NERF WARP CORE STABS! ZOMBIE PRUNES!
Xavier Arron	Posted - 2004.06.22 13:15:00 - [32] Originally by: ryankain This won't solve the logoff at gates but.. Remove some of the map options - like "show pilots in space" , ship kills/pod kills.. folks need to use dedicated scouts instead. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=64572 Agree map options hurt everyone, pirates and miners. Show all pilots in space, it's just a big come and gank me sign. Likewise when pirates camp a gate it shows up on the map and then everyone / most just avoid it. More people / corps would move about in 0.4 / 0.0 if they didnt have a homing beacon stuck to their a**.
Firebyrd	Posted - 2004.06.22 13:20:00 - [33] Edited by: Firebyrd on 22/06/2004 13:23:49 another whiner, whining about something that doesnt go his/her way... boo hoo hoo... The devs got enough to worry about then people loggin or crashing when attacked, i didnt know u could do this, next time i, know what to do, when i'm getting PK'd in my empty shuttle... lets shut the game down, kick out the newbs, kick out the fresh players, and kill each other, hmmm sounds like it would get boring of shooting the same mindless players, after a week... PvPers, who all they want to do is kill other players, have no sence of what lies in the game... u want a shoot'em up arcade style game..... Sorry to burst ur bubble... but this aint that game... go back to ur PS2s, Xboxs, and whatever otherones r out there, and leave the PC players to their games that actually requires a brain, and requires thinking ----------------------------------------------- In the End , there can be only 1 Today we celebrate, for tomorrow we die learn from yesterday, that u may be stronger tomorrow May the force be with us all
Riddari	Posted - 2004.06.22 13:35:00 - [34] Honestly. I PVP a bit, have used instajumps to get through enemy territories and been left seething after seeing enemies instajump past me to escape. All those dedicated PVP-ers can't cry though can they. If everyone is running away from them, they can just get together and fight the other dedicated PVP-ers who also want to slug it out. Honestly! Can it be so difficult! DEDPVP 1: "Hey I like blowing stuff up!" DEDPVP 2: "Me too!" DEDPVP 1: "everyone instajumps/logs off/docks when I try to shoot them " DEDPVP 2: "Me too!" DEDPVP 1: "Hmm... how about me and you fight then?" DEDPVP 2: "Hey! Great idea! That way we can shoot and blast and hurtle missiles at each other and no one is gonna instajump or dock!" DEDPVP 1: "Hmm... so what do you fly?" DEDPVP 2: "Uhhh... I'm not gonna tell you that if we are gonna fight!" DEDPVP 1: "Bah... then I'm not fighting you, I'll just keep on waiting here at this gate for someone who doesn't have a instajump and is easy prey" DEDPVP 2: "noob" DEDPVP 1: "tard" ¼©¼ a history
banrocc	Posted - 2004.06.22 13:36:00 - [35] You Rock hugging fool......why play online games with no threat of loss? go back to your single player games with your cheat codes.. EVE is pvp based if you cant see that maybe loosing that apoc you mine in safe space with will do you good... As for the lame logging simple if someone does it get the pod ejected and let that warp to a safe spot then leave the ship for us to have :)... Bet they wont do it then
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.06.22 13:37:00 - [36] Quote: another whiner, whining about something that doesnt go his/her way... boo hoo hoo... Nice try, but pvp-players don¦t whine. We will force CCP because we kill N00bs if they don¦t bulit our PVP-paradise in 0.0. Quote: The devs got enough to worry about then people loggin or crashing when attacked, i didnt know u could do this, next time i, know what to do, when i'm getting PK'd in my empty shuttle... Oh yes, they have enough to worry about after 30.000 carebears cryed for 1 year now in these forums to built the perfect mining simulation. Quote: lets shut the game down, kick out the newbs, kick out the fresh players, and kill each other, hmmm sounds like it would get boring of shooting the same mindless players, after a week... It will never be boring to fight each other. Boring is to fight mindless NPC-rats. A player-enemy is pure fun, even if you loose. Quote: PvPers, who all they want to do is kill other players, have no sence of what lies in the game... u want a shoot'em up arcade style game..... Sorry to burst ur bubble... but this aint that game... go back to ur PS2s, Xboxs, and whatever otherones r out there, and leave the PC players to their games that actually requires a brain, and requires thinking Why don¦t you enter a chat or why dont you go into next forrest and dig for gold? You could also go and by some shares in reallife and get a broker or be a trader and sell pink panties. You don¦t need EVE to simulate mining or a chat. PVP-PLAYERS NEED EVE BECAUSE THEY CANNOT HAVE SPACE COMBAT IN REALLIFE AND THEY LOVE SCI-FI.
Draysea	Posted - 2004.06.22 13:38:00 - [37] I am offering my services to you Pirates and GateCampers. Give me the name of the character and the ship you last saw them in, and I will track them down and pod them for you. This logging off should be an exploit, for if you were in real space you would never be able to log off to avoid death. Imagine if the Deathstar in StarWars was able to log off. It would still be around, and Luke would have been pretty pssed off that the damn thing didn't stick around to fight. So for all of you who are ticked off at these characters who log off when you are trying to kill them, I will provide you with their biomass for a price, in order to end this stupid* "tactic"! EVE-Mail only please.
Firebyrd	Posted - 2004.06.22 13:53:00 - [38] Edited by: Firebyrd on 22/06/2004 13:56:14 hahaha.. ur still a whiner and complainer about things that dont go ur way, seems u always will be... Go fight someone ur own size instead of pickin on newbs... o but wait they r sooooo easy to kill, 1 missile, 2 missile 3 missile and their dead... hmmm what fun... o they found away around u... boo hoo hoo, although unorthodox.. but hey it works... ooo and ur gonna cry foul.... yea right like i'd agree to a change, like i said before in another thread, y make a pirates life easier, u chose that role, that role should be the most difficult role in the game, the most unfairest in Eve.... so go cry to someone who cares ----------------------------------------------- In the End , there can be only 1 Today we celebrate, for tomorrow we die learn from yesterday, that u may be stronger tomorrow May the force be with us all
BraK	Posted - 2004.06.22 14:00:00 - [39] Originally by: Naqq tbh I think Zombie should be the last to whine over any game feature being used/exploited in this game. HAHAHA! SO SOOOOO TRUE!
Draysea	Posted - 2004.06.22 14:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Firebyrd Edited by: Firebyrd on 22/06/2004 13:56:14 hahaha.. ur still a whiner and complainer about things that dont go ur way, seems u always will be... Go fight someone ur own size instead of pickin on newbs... o but wait they r sooooo easy to kill, 1 missile, 2 missile 3 missile and their dead... hmmm what fun... o they found away around u... boo hoo hoo, although unorthodox.. but hey it works... ooo and ur gonna cry foul.... yea right like i'd agree to a change, like i said before in another thread, y make a pirates life easier, u chose that role, that role should be the most difficult role in the game, the most unfairest in Eve.... so go cry to someone who cares I'm not the one crying here, it is the people going into 0.0 space ill-equiped to handle this type of space, and I'm just trying to make some ISK by podding those people. And just so you are aware, I have no worries about podding these people in Empire space. Newbs or not. I myself have been podded about 4-5 times in 0.0 space, and not once have I logged out. You just make a good clone and insure your ship, and all is well in about 30 seconds.
Mojo JoJo	Posted - 2004.06.22 14:04:00 - [41] Quote: Good news, that way, I might gain access to 0.0 space someday instead of being stuck in empire because people like you gank players at the gates any twit can go to 0.0 space join an aliance and become a leach milking off the blood of pvpers i think its sad that "pirate hotspots" have become so clean that its just as safe as pator.conflict drives 0.0 not victory when pirates quit it hurts the game. besides i think a 2month old toon would get raped by 0.0 npcs use the map make insta jumps w/ a frig run if you want when a name pops into local....this game would be dead w/o pvp how bout you try it you will never understand the call of veld again the only person making you "stuck" is yourself
Pychian Vanervi	Posted - 2004.06.22 14:04:00 - [42] Originally by: Firebyrd hahaha.. ur still a whiner and complainer about things that dont go ur way, seems u always will be... Go fight someone ur own size instead of pickin on newbs... What about some one like me who is not a pirate? I don't agree with its use and feel its just a cheap way out. Yes I PvP but never on noobs and I am happy to try my luck and anyone the same size if not bigger. So rather than using the 'your a pirate deal with it' excuse face someone who is not a pirate and agree's with what they are saying! ----------------------------- It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
CmdoColin	Posted - 2004.06.22 14:25:00 - [43] Riiight... So we're talking about an expliot where dedicated PvP'ers are avoiding death in 0.0... How many n00b's know this expliot? Its experienced PvP'ers. If your not, and I'm barely one, then I'm sorry you've been gank'ed. But this isn't about you guys. Its experienced PvP'ers who have been caught with there pants down, and know what they are doing that are abusing the system. I've been caught a couple of times, and it makes each 0.0 run very much more interesting. I'd tell you who they were but half the time a coffee cup is flying across the room, I've dropped a lit cigarette in my lap, and I'm hammering the keyboard like a man possesed. But those few times I've made it - I've got a few seriously good war stories The guys that have hit me at a gate in alliance v's alliance combat I only have respect for. It is an expliot in my mind to log, and don't personally use it. Maybe its 'cos I'm a newbie trying to put the fire out on my lap... I do agree the log off process when you are in combat should be different - as you do your ship should turn and warp out. If you can't warp - tough. This is a PvP game. Audita et altera pars
OrbitalEffect	Posted - 2004.06.22 14:32:00 - [44] Originally by: Xavier Arron Originally by: ryankain This won't solve the logoff at gates but.. Remove some of the map options - like "show pilots in space" , ship kills/pod kills.. folks need to use dedicated scouts instead. Agree map options hurt everyone, pirates and miners. Show all pilots in space, it's just a big come and gank me sign. Likewise when pirates camp a gate it shows up on the map and then everyone / most just avoid it. More people / corps would move about in 0.4 / 0.0 if they didnt have a homing beacon stuck to their a**. The exact opposite can be argued as well. Solo players like myself find these F10 options absolutely essential in safe navigation and give us choices.
Viceroy	Posted - 2004.06.22 14:40:00 - [45] oh joy, instajumps + jumplog exploit. no way to catch anyone anywhere anymore. GG. -
flummox	Posted - 2004.06.22 14:53:00 - [46] there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
Hotice	Posted - 2004.06.22 14:55:00 - [47] Edited by: Hotice on 22/06/2004 14:57:57 How about not to camp gate and search players at astroid belt or near station? Players have to go some where once flew into 0.0 space right? What is so good about camping at gate is beyond me. It is pvp combat that you want, kill people who flew right out of gate with large force is not real pvp combat, it is call PK. Camping at gate is also useing game element to your adventage since it is a point where everybody have to go through. If jump gate will send people to a random location will you still be camping at gate? If players don't drop any loot once killed, are you still be camping the gate? It is like wolves crying for deers not stand still to be killed.
Riddari	Posted - 2004.06.22 14:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Viceroy oh joy, instajumps + jumplog exploit. no way to catch anyone anywhere anymore. GG. Riddari points to his earlier post At least you m0o guys can spar each other if all else fails ¼©¼ a history*
Mojo JoJo	Posted - 2004.06.22 15:36:00 - [49] Quote: It is like wolves crying for deers not stand still to be killed. its closer to wolves camping watering holes if the prey density is not very high they will go to where the prey will be hence they go to gates
Hematic	Posted - 2004.06.22 16:18:00 - [50] Correct me if I'm wrong but auto-warp will not work if the person in question is scrambled? Or is it somehow not possible to lock and scramble when someone logs off? With a player sitting on the gate running an f-90 or two just about everyone coming through the gate should be within the 20k needed for scramble and not be able to warp out before a lock could be established unless of course it is a shuttle or fast moving frigate in which case the logging off would be moot anyway.
Machiavelli7	Posted - 2004.06.22 16:27:00 - [51] Originally by: D4RK MESSI4H Do people complaining about being ganked not know about the map "players killed in the last hour function"? On the reverse do Mobile Warp Scramblers not fix this escape method? (I honestly don't know the answer to the last question!) Just curious ... Mobile medium warp disruptors, placed at a gate, does indeed stop those who log from warping away. They stay trapped in the bubble for at least 60 seconds - plenty of time to be shot to pieces IMO. You can currently buy these at Nonni and Yulai.
Draysea	Posted - 2004.06.22 16:31:00 - [52] Originally by: Mojo JoJo Quote: It is like wolves crying for deers not stand still to be killed. its closer to wolves camping watering holes if the prey density is not very high they will go to where the prey will be hence they go to gates Agreed. It is akin to choosing to walking down a dark deserted alleyway where you could be mugged, versus a well lit sidewalk. Common sense should tell you that you will be safest on the well lit sidewalk, but you still have the choice of walking down that dark deserted alleyway. Using the map should also give you a pretty good idea of when to jump, and when not to. The tools are in place to help you survive, but if you choose to ignore those tools, you should be ready to face the consequences. And as a sidenote, you should at least go down fighting. Asking pirates for mercy seems to make them laugh. So instead of whining, try to take out one or two of their ships before dying. That way you can at least walk away with pride knowing that you put in an effort, instead of "exploiting" a weakness in the game to avoid contact with other players. I mean really, this is why it is unsafe space. If however this is not an exploit, then there should be no security rating for any system, as you will be able to dodge anything and everything, no matter where you are simply by logging off. So for those of you who are in support of logging off, you should also support the fact that there should be no security rating for these systems. If logging off is indeed a valid tactic, then logically, security ratings are meaningless except to keep pirates from entering Empire space and mining hoards of Veldspar, because I'm sure that's what they're after.
Leitari	Posted - 2004.06.22 16:51:00 - [53] Edited by: Leitari on 22/06/2004 16:53:34 I can see now that there's some consensus amongst the pvp'ers here, the rest of whom have probably never fitted a gun to their ship. This problem is plagueing everyone, alliances, pirates and pirate hunters. I'll say on my part that I'll never use that tactic and I try my very best to play fair(meaning only using valid ingame tactics and modules which are generally acceptable). To those that critizise Zombie for using exploits, you have never fought us and do not know us for what we are. A single incident has branded us as exploiters but we try to change how people think of us. We have been successful so far with the people we have fought. I hope I've managed to bring this subject to the surface and that it will keep going, and that it will addressed at a CSM meeting. Im not going to be bothered by this again until they fix it. Just try to figure a way to catch them quicker. But that doesnt solve the problem at hand. Note: you cant put mobile warp scramblers in space in Empire space. Here, Only the silent survive.
Leitari	Posted - 2004.06.22 16:56:00 - [54] Edited by: Leitari on 22/06/2004 16:57:21 Update: there seems to have been a misunderstanding amongst the GMs and this IS infact considered an exploit. They are looking into this so I hope they'll fix this as soon as possible. Gj CCP. Feels good to vent your rage somewhere doesnt it.... :P Here, Only the silent survive.
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.06.22 16:59:00 - [55] Yep, the "old known" cloaking exploit is not back...
Viceroy	Posted - 2004.06.22 17:00:00 - [56] ho ho, teh carebears are owned. OH NO WHY SHOULD IT BE AN EXPLOIT?? BECAUSE YOU CANT GRIEF US?? IT MAKES NO SENSE! <insertstupidpointlessanalogyaboutdeersandwolves> drink bleach, kthxbye. -
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.22 17:04:00 - [57] I'm lazy. Someone gimme a brief run down of this thread. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Leitari	Posted - 2004.06.22 17:12:00 - [58] sorry josh, you missed it go home nothing to see kthxbye Here, Only the silent survive.
Beringe	Posted - 2004.06.22 17:13:00 - [59] It needs fixing. But I probably don't find it as big a deal as some. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Verdun Pasquinel	Posted - 2004.06.22 17:17:00 - [60] I've lost two ships doing this, it's not failsafe.

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