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Lusulpher
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.10.09 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lusulpher on 09/10/2008 05:21:28
 Originally by: Dex Nederland
Edited by: Dex Nederland on 07/10/2008 06:13:37
Good stuff there Abraxas, did you write this one?
There are blatant connections between the Caldari story arc and that of National Socialist Germany (1933-1939). I am alright with it from a storytelling perspective and more than willing to play the patriot; the only problem I see with the ease of drawing the parallels is that those players not willing to see deeper are going to associate the entirety of it with NS Germany.
From this I would assume that the Caldari central government is increasing its overall power; so is KK basically throwing its weight around to ensure the government agents are put in place?
edit: my "Y" button seemed to not work for some reason when I spelled Germany
Strange, I saw more Communism as it "should be". It's true that Marxist Communism has never been practiced. Stalin, Lenin, Kim Jon, all of them practiced Dictatorship, not Communism. The wealth 'trickled up' exactly like Capitalism, instead of 'around'.  (This Communistic-Dictatorship is similar to Roman-Dictatorship which laid the grounds for Western "Democracy").
The Naz! analogy is H!tler the "Christian" killing Jews. Jesus was Jewish and stated that the Old Testament was cannon to his teachings. Yet, 'Christians' separated from Judaism and persecuted them for financial gain throughout history. That makes them "liars". Christianity also is rarely practiced.
Let's not forget when France voted(?!) to not join the 'Coalition of The Willing' based on bad evidence, and were badmouthed for being unpatriotic(?! To whom?) No "Freedom Fries" for them. Voting is not practiced in Western countries apparently as it was a shock to my leader... (Elections are still suspect...)
I just don't understand why masses of people will take someone at their word, when their actions say otherwise. The real parallels here are that leaders say anything to gain power, completely betraying the philosophy and masses in the first place.
Tibus' actions are all-around positive. This new Caldari perspective seems like a 'utopia'(blasphemy *gasp*) in the making. Let's see how long it lasts.
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Garion Avarr
Amarr
Zero Zero Traders
YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.10.09 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Garion Avarr on 09/10/2008 16:12:50
Wait wait. Encouraging racism is part of making a Utopia? Heth is making some positive reforms, yes. But a certain German leader also made some positive reforms, in fact he did quite a lot to help his country at a time when it was strugling -- he also did a lot of very horrible things that outweighed this, and it is looking like Heth may be going in that direction. Heth isn't quite that bad, not yet, but his actions certainly aren't all around positive, and they have some very strong echos of the tactics used by said German leader.
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Arnulf Ogunkoya
Minmatar
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.10.09 20:58:00 -
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Heth's actions may seem to be creating a utopia. However if you've read the novel you will be aware that:
- The people he overthrew where mostly just as greedy and self-centred as this piece suggests; with the apparent exception of poor, dead Otto.
- Heth is, literally, a raving maniac. He is a member of one of the more reviled terrorist organisations in the cluster (strange how nobody else has noticed the membership tatoo on his wrist) and a big part of his motivation is making the Gallente suffer.
- He doesn't show much real leadership potential in the book. His original uprising is intended to end with the rebels (including himself) as martyrs. Most of his major ideas are spoon-fed to him by the puppet master who has given him power and created the conditions for the Caldari & Gallente to go to war.
As for the parallels with present day politics. I'd be surprised if they weren't there. We generally base fictitious ideas on concepts that we are already familiar with. Didn't stop me from hearing "Springtime for ******" in my mind as I read this though. 
<Can we loose, or at least adjust, this idiot auto censor please? For some reason it objects to me writing the name of the main tune of the show within the show "The Producers".>
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.10.12 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
ôAnd if ive read it right there are to jovian races basicly dark jov an light jov both have interefeired heavily with all the racesö
The Jove have at least 8 groups/bloodlines and 1 group caused the current war between the 4 empires.
I'd love to see a real source for all of this, for now I'm calling BS. |
Freezehunter
Gallente
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Arnulf Ogunkoya
Heth's actions may seem to be creating a utopia. However if you've read the novel you will be aware that:
- The people he overthrew where mostly just as greedy and self-centred as this piece suggests; with the apparent exception of poor, dead Otto.
- Heth is, literally, a raving maniac. He is a member of one of the more reviled terrorist organisations in the cluster (strange how nobody else has noticed the membership tatoo on his wrist) and a big part of his motivation is making the Gallente suffer.
- He doesn't show much real leadership potential in the book. His original uprising is intended to end with the rebels (including himself) as martyrs. Most of his major ideas are spoon-fed to him by the puppet master who has given him power and created the conditions for the Caldari & Gallente to go to war.
As for the parallels with present day politics. I'd be surprised if they weren't there. We generally base fictitious ideas on concepts that we are already familiar with. Didn't stop me from hearing "Springtime for ******" in my mind as I read this though.
<Can we loose, or at least adjust, this idiot auto censor please? For some reason it objects to me writing the name of the main tune of the show within the show "The Producers".>
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Heyte
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Posted - 2008.10.14 05:25:00 -
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Edited by: Heyte on 14/10/2008 05:34:46
This little chronicle was a bit interesting for me... why? Because I always thought caldari culture was a meritocracy to begin with and that those who failed were basically thrown on the street where they may as well kill themselves. Also, the plutocratic undertones (megacorporations) and all that kinda make them more capitalist then america.
I always viewed caldari with their logic based lifestyle and work ethic as having their own ideals which were not tolerated by lazy suburb-goers and mass consumerists (also corporate dictatorship kinda gets rid of the entertainment media, because it's a conglomerate, it controls investment for the 'greater good'). Similar to how some people don't tolerate jews or asians/indians if they're better at math, even though such people are just lazy and don't study enough. Which was kinda why they ended up seperating, IMO.
That's how you could tell them apart from Gallente (which are a softer, multi-cultural corporate mash-up similar to some views of the US on a interstellar scale... also, their citizens are more ignorant and with all the media being shot into their brains (literally, since it's the future) as such you might find gallente college goers protesting all sorts of issues as well as taking courses like 'art appreciation' or some other liberal thing I can't think of). I'd try to compare Gallente to Canada rather then the US, but then I remember that Gallente actually has a military (an instellar one at that) and probably isn't so passive about issues.
At least that's what I thought. o.0
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Digger One
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:10:00 -
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First, very well done chronicle, as always :)
Second, I don't see why so many people point out the Caldari as being communist. In fact, they act like outright fascists. As already metioned by a few, it's pretty much like post WWI Germany. People shouldn't forget the the term "****" is a german abbreviation for national socialism. While the 3rd Reich opposed communism as an ideology as by any means possible, they borrowed heavily from its ideas. Actually picturing Caldari going down that road is just logical from their already fascist setup.
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CaldariAdam
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Posted - 2008.10.19 09:31:00 -
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A great piece. We have dreams for the future that we all take part in making.
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Hurs Sokira
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2008.10.24 04:30:00 -
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Those few who got to know me over the last several years are, no doubt, aware that lately I have been perhaps one of the most vociferous critics of current FW storyline in particular, and CCP's attitude to RP in general (not to mention the "Empyrean Age" book  ).
However, I would like to express my sincere thanks to CCP Gnauton and others who are responsible for releasing this particular chronicle. In the absence of official information, myself and other Caldari RPers had to develop a rather complex view of the State, one that clashed dramatically with two-dimensional cartoon presented during introduction of Factional Warfare. This Chronicle goes a long way in putting things in order and establishing framework for current "state of the State", one that was so lacking over last year or so. Again, THANK YOU.
My only plea to CCP is as follows. Please, PLEASE concentrate on thinking about the Empires and social forces that may be moving them and release more chronicles just like these. These short, but informative chronicles are SO much better for RP than any overhyped books or dramatic newsitems put together.
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Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Caldari
Haruspex Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.24 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dralverin
sweet story as to the fact of caldari being communist well in a way yes in a even bigger way no..when you look at communism most ppl see everyone working and leaders working for the greater good? wrong!
Communism is the oposite of a meritocracy communism had more in common with european elitism in that the USSR, modern day bannana republics, and other socalist aand communist governments inevitably bring a portion of the population related to the government to extrordinary hights at the expense of the magority. Also this inevitably brings about stagnation in the places of power because the elite will use there power to promote there own ppl thuse sealing off the government and sence most if not all communist gov practice rigide gun control the ability of the ppl to gain back that power is low very low.(also one of the reasons russia has a horrible infantry for the most part sence infantry dont require large amounts of support in fuel and parts and are better at fighting in cities).
Also if you look at the caldari they dont use a one party system like communism. more like a limited democracy.very limited.(also for those who think communism is diff. than socalism marx never made any difference or to quote a frenchmen "socalism is simply communism without the gun")
Comunism and Socialism suffer same problem...most are greedy. There used to be alot of communes in america and they did ok...until the next generation inevitably left and the commune died.
Ok so its kind of a rant but thought the diff and simularities between caldari and communist where interesting..
and dude if you ever wondered how **** germany started look at the obama ppls its freaky they chant and damn near worship the man teach there children to sing about him....hell substitute environmentalism for ****sm and there you have it
Hmm - I think that's something of a weak generalisation - are you saying that we donn't see nepotism in western democracies? Surely you're not forgetting the Kennedy dynasty or the Bush dynasty or even the Clinton Dynasty.
I think it would be wise to leave RL politics out of internet spaceship games - likening Obama supporters to **** fanatics is pretty rediculous - I'm guessing white, middle class republican guy there? |
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