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Darthoria Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.10.07 02:40:00 - [1] Obviously not my main as i don't want to invite more highsec gankers to dec us. I recently joined an rookie corp so we can help each other out a bit while we work on skills and it's kinda fun to see people happy entering their first cruiser,bc,bs. But then it happens concord email you have been wardeclared by XXX. We looked at them did a bit off research and now it comes that corp has 30 members we 8 and their avarage date off birth is 2006 while our oldest is an ***ping 6 weeks old. I mean i don't mind an wardec practising pvp a bit is all nice but when your station is camped by 6 hac's don't tell me you have an chance in your battlecruiser/cruiser/destroyer with almost no skills. We now have an couple off options 1) disband corp use an channel and be in noob corp for the time off the wardec last. 2) get in frigates, undock and loose our precious +1,+2 implants on instapops 3) ask help but that's kinda lame 4) petition for herassment as were clearly unable to put up any decent fight. Now i am an restart so for now i have been able to avoid being ganked by looking at local and have stabs on but that kinda sucks as well as you now hardly can do missions and earn my skillbooks with my targeting range cut into half Any ideas?
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.07 02:47:00 - [2] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 07/10/2008 02:51:40 Truth be told you're right, eight guys in frigates can't kill a similar number in HACs. But I bet with the right application of EWar and damage you can kill one of them. Their single loss will exceed the loss of all your frigates by a factor of 50 or more, and you show them that you don't intend to take the war dec lying down. Then after you do that, hire us to apply the pain until they drop the dec against you. But in all likelihood you should be able to evade these guys fairly easily. They probably only decced you so they have someone to shoot if they come across you in space. If my experience with this sort of thing is applicable here (having been involved with several incidents similar to this in my first corp), they won't actually launch more than a handful of organized operations against you.
Jonny 101 Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.10.07 02:54:00 - [3] Originally by: Darthoria 4) petition for herassment as were clearly unable to put up any decent fight. Ehm, this is not harrassment, it's eve, you'll only waste a GM's times meaning people like me have to wait even longer for LEGIT petitions about real bugs and problems. And you do have a chance, but as I don't like you I won't tell you what that chance is. My advice? www.wow-europe.com -------------------------------- Kublai was too lazy to get a GTC so i've been promoted to head forum troll in her place
Darthoria Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:02:00 - [4] and what in your view is harresment then? Even if bob wardecced you and camped your station you would have more chance then an noob in an frigate vs 6 hacs.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:06:00 - [5] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 07/10/2008 03:08:51 Originally by: Darthoria and what in your view is harresment then? Even if bob wardecced you and camped your station you would have more chance then an noob in an frigate vs 6 hacs. CCP has declared that war decs are not to be considered harassment. They have however acknowledged that the current system allows for larger corps to dec small corps without consequence, and that they are looking for a way to tweak this. Petitioning for harassment would be like if your corp boss kept granting you roles when you're trying to drop your roles and leave the corp or something, or if someone continuously spammed chat invites to you. It is important to remember that this is indeed Eve-Online, where fairness and decency are totally optional.
Jonny 101 Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Darthoria and what in your view is harresment then? Even if bob wardecced you and camped your station you would have more chance then an noob in an frigate vs 6 hacs. There is no way in -hell- for BoB to perma camp me in a station, certainly not an empire station. The problem isn't the game, it's your total ignorance towards how to sort your problems. Give me a frigate and put me up against six hac's and i'll be smiling, playing eve care free within ten minutes. -------------------------------- Kublai was too lazy to get a GTC so i've been promoted to head forum troll in her place
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:24:00 - [7] Jonny, for his abrasiveness, does raise a fair point. Low-end plants are mind-boggingly cheap in today's market. I was stunned the other day to see them selling for five figures in a region with a good trade hub. I'd recommend not worrying about your plants or your clones, and just look at this war dec as an opportunity. Get people to fit a sound loadout (sound in that the modules are relevant to the ship, not that the modules are expensive) on throwaway frigates and see what you can kill. It's true that this war dec will cut into your regular schedule of mission running or industry or whatever, but again, this is Eve. Role with it and you might end up enjoying something you thought you'd hate. Incidentally that's the same advice I give to people about sex.
Darthoria Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:31:00 - [8] Quote: Now i am an restart so for now i have been able to avoid being ganked reading ftw dude ;-) i am fine i am worried about real noobs and how they are driven out off the game by an bunch off bullies who clearly hate any option for an fair fight by picking on people who have 100 times training less then them and would run for anyone with an longer history as theirs.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:34:00 - [9] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 07/10/2008 03:34:58 Originally by: Darthoria Quote: Now i am an restart so for now i have been able to avoid being ganked reading ftw dude ;-) i am fine i am worried about real noobs and how they are driven out off the game by an bunch off bullies who clearly hate any option for an fair fight by picking on people who have 100 times training less then them and would run for anyone with an longer history as theirs. It isn't fair, but it means the game is working as intended in that it shows CCP are willing to let parts of their playerbase be victimized by more ruthless individuals. The philosophy of this game is unique amongst mainstream MMOs. It isn't a nice philosophy either, but damn it if it doesn't make this game awesome. If anyone is driven out of Eve because of a war dec it only means that they didn't adapt well enough. Eve isn't for everyone, and that is by design. I still think this whole situation won't turn out to be nearly as painful as you all believe it will, though.
Darthoria Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.10.07 04:11:00 - [10] thanks for the advice :) If i could i would hire mercs but i bet 60 million in corp wallet doesn't cut it
Varus Riaz Gallente Sarissa Defense Group	Posted - 2008.10.07 04:15:00 - [11] Given any thought to moving to 0.0 for the duration of the war dec? If you can get through into northern Syndicate with your corp and a hauler or two worth of ammo, you'll be set for a week. The gankers would have to get through gatecamps and deal with roaming gangs to get to you, and after a week they'd probably drop the dec to go after easier prey. Alternatively, find a startup merc corp and try to hire them. You can get a newer merc corp for cheap. This isn't necessarily because they're bad, but rather because they need to build up a reputation and show some contract kills on their killboard to begin to move up in the business.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.07 04:26:00 - [12] Darthoria send me the name of the corp deccing you over Eve-mail in game.
Olleybear PoliCratton Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.07 04:48:00 - [13] I would recommend fighting them in tech 1 crap fit cruisers. 6x tech 1 cruisers vs 6x hacs will get you at least one, or possibly two hacs. Popping their wrecks makes them take more of a loss and you know they are going to be tech II fit. Tactic for non-nano enemy: Get your guys all in vexors. Fit your hi slots with 2 or 3 medium energy neuts, 1 small remote armor repper, the rest with 200mm autocannons( autocannons dont use cap ) mid slot, mwd, web, 20km scram. You can experiment with some of your guys having tracking disruptors for giggles. Low slot, Medium armor rep, explosive active hardner, 1600mm plate, Damage control. Scram, web, neuter that hac and use drones types on its weakest resist. He wont have cap because of your neuters. You remote rep others in your gang getting hit if possible, but concentrate on neut and killing that hac. Should work fairly well. VS Nano's, well. this obviously wont work. Think about EV-300 drones to set after the primary nano. 8 x 5 EV-300s should drain his cap fairly quick if they can catch it, so you can then mwd, scram, web. Then pull in EV-300's and do the above on its least resist. Good Luck! <<< From one warrior to another: Whether you fight with me or against me, the willingness to fight makes us brothers. >>>
Karicha	Posted - 2008.10.07 08:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Darthoria Any ideas? Just disband the corp and make a new one. All hop over to the new one. War = over! If they dec that new corp, repeat the same. If they grief, you grief back! Have fun!
Aurora Serenity	Posted - 2008.10.07 08:42:00 - [15] Edited by: Aurora Serenity on 07/10/2008 08:42:06 just go with the 8 of you in cheap ass frigs with t1 stuff. Give them your best shot, and when you do think you will be blown to space dust; click any other station/stargate during your moment of slaughtering and spam that warp to button. Then you should not be podded and you gave it your best shot. Its not the end, its a game and enjoy it :) I bet you dont petition Nintendo when mario gets eaten up by that annoying flesh eating plant?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.07 08:56:00 - [16] You could try talking to the deccing corp and ask them why they decced? You might get a "why not" in reply, but then again it might turn out one of your guys actually did something to warrant this dec. Armed with that knowledge you can then remedy the situation and prevent a long and costly war. Smack is the noobkiller after all.
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.07 09:17:00 - [17] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 07/10/2008 09:24:46 You should never lose your implants in high or low sec unless you mega lag/disconnect or get smartbombed... and I'd bet a beer that you're not going to get smartbombed in high sec. Here's how: 1. Fight 2. About to die? 3. Select a celestial object 4. Start spamming "warp to" like your pod depends on it, because it does. 5. Once your ship pops, you'll warp away to safety. Don't always rely on this in low sec :) One of my first pod losses happened when my ship popped, I warped to a planet, and my pod just happened to land on top of a smartbombing raven. That learned me gooood! ;) Imo, yeah, get in frigates and t1 cruisers, bait them, try to get them separated across a gate. When I was a nubbin my corp got wardecced by some random group of guys. Looking back on it, I wish my CEO had us get out there in frigs, I think it would have been a blast. But no, he chose other means of dealing with the problem. Oh, another thing: I don't know who has decced you, but find out of they have a killboard. (Google!) If they do, study it to gather intel. Who flies alone? Who flies together? What is the makeup of their groups? Where do they roam? Given that you're a group of low-SP players, they might be looking for a corp that they think they can solowtfpwn. If so, their killboard might reflect that, and you can use it to your advantage. And... who decced you? Curiosity is killing me. Take note that there's a lot of merc corps out there that will wardec for smacktalk. Did one of the members of the corp talk some shit and inadvertently **** off a merc?
n3oAnG3l	Posted - 2008.10.07 11:10:00 - [18] I know u don't have much but can i have your stuff ?
Liberator 1 Gallente Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.10.07 11:29:00 - [19] Rotten tomatoes! I fancy a scrap, evemail me and I'll join yer corp. L1 ------------------------------------------- ôIf you are in a spaceship that is traveling at the speed of light, and you turn on the headlights, does anything happen?ö -------------------------
Garmon Minmatar Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.10.07 11:33:00 - [20] mail me ingame and i'll see if we can sort these *******ing griefers out signature locked for inappropriate language. ~EVE Community Team
tripodbilly	Posted - 2008.10.07 11:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Garmon mail me ingame and i'll see if we can sort these *******ing griefers out lol
Yendaj Minmatar Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Garmon mail me ingame and i'll see if we can sort these ******ing griefers out Or or or... I has a nasty plan I will let you join our alliance, the war dec will transfer (yummy) and then they got a world or hurt to deal with..... More yummy! They could either drop the dec, or, deal with 12 angry corps that dont like nub griefers wiggles eyebrows* <3 /me grins to self ** Nemo Me Impune Lacessit **
Garmon Minmatar Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:04:00 - [23] would be more fun if I tried to solo them signature locked for inappropriate language. ~EVE Community Team
ScaR97731	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:04:00 - [24] Make an alt, and then transfer all CEO powers over to that alt, and then you and your crew can leave the corp until the wardec ends. You guys can go about your business as usual without being shot at by a bunch of brainless, pinheads who have nothing better to do, and your corp name stays intact. A week ago some lame corp wardecced my corp. I got that message email from CONCORD saying I had been wardecced by some mama's boy corp, and that fighting would begin in 24 hours. I laughed when I got this message. Within an hour after having received the email from CONCORD these people showed up in the space station I was in and kept asking for private conversations, which I accepted. They would then ask me "Are you ready for tomorrow?" and I informed all of them that I was indeed ready for tomorrow, and by the way, why are you wardeccing my corp? The answer to this was that they wanted to have some fun, and also they didn't like what I said about Pirates in the forum, so they were going to make me pay. They demand a rather large, and silly amount of ISKS from me and then they will drop the wardec. I laughed at them and called them Mama's boys, and sissified, Nancy-girls, and told them that they would not get one penny from me. I also dared them to shoot my ships when the time came. Since I still had some time left before the "War" broke out, I decided to run a few errands and then do some mining. It quickly occurred to me that my new "friends" were following me all over the place. No matter where I went there they were...circling my ship like a bunch of escaped, mental, patients. I found this all amusing, and I told them what i thought of them and their corp. All of what i said must not have gone over very well with them because one of them got all emotional and said something like "You are going to regret every word!" This made me laugh so very hard. They harassed my ship the whole time I was mining making me think that a certain corp didn't get its medication that week, but all in all it was a whole lot of fun to insult these chumps. They then went back and camped out at my space station. The next day my corp left the space station exactly at the same moment the wardec was supposed to start, and the scumbag pirates, true to their lame words were right outside waiting. All of our ships were locked up in a heartbeat. Every last ship was locked but no one fired. No one fired because myself and my corp used that 24 hours that CONCORD gave us to transfer all CEO powers to one alt account, and then we all left the corp. For the alt the wardec was in full play, but for us the wardec was neutralized. My corp laughed long and hard at the stupid pirates, and then we all jumped to mine in the nearest belt. The lame, and now defrocked pirates followed all but pacified by these new developments. All they could do was hurl insults and threatened to gank us, which we all laughed at. They claimed we were cowards which made us laugh so much more harder. Eventually these lame idiots went away deprived of their "fun" I found out that the number one thing you can do to hurt a pirate and their band of mama's boys is to deny them any access at getting your money. Just deny them and they go away in search of prey that isn't so savvy. So if you're a small corp, and you get wardecced engage in denying the lame pirate corp of any way to extort money or "fun" out of you. The fun part that hurts them the most is they are being denied which equals epic fail in their collective minds. BTW the wardec was invalidated by CONCORD withing 2 days. I guess the lame pirate corp didn't want to pay the 2 million ISKs for the wardec. By doing what my corp did the Pirates corp ended up paying 2 million ISKs, while my corp still conducted business, made money, and didn't have to pay a cent.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:30:00 - [25] Originally by: ScaR97731 Mama's Boys and other lame RL insults This is the kind of person who shouldn't be playing Eve, nor any other game as they have too hard a time separating the game from reality. If there is any truth to the theories that link school shootings to video games, this is the kind of person that is to blame. Well done, sir. You're going to ruin video games for the rest of us. What he writes is the perfect reason for why CCP's work to change the war system is so important. He basically describes a way to rid yourself of 100% of the consequences for your actions. Note that this doesn't just apply to smacktard carebears like him, but also to scammers, gankers and all manner of pirates. Corp jumping is a major problem and need to be stopped sooner rather than later.
Jaro Brutus La Isla del Mono	Posted - 2008.10.07 13:29:00 - [26] Originally by: ScaR97731 Alt's stuff IIRC, instajoining/leaving corps is petitionable as a exploit of game mechanics to make/evade wardecs. Am I Wrong?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.07 13:48:00 - [27] Originally by: Jaro Brutus IIRC, instajoining/leaving corps is petitionable as a exploit of game mechanics to make/evade wardecs. Am I Wrong? Unfortunately, yes you are wrong. At one time it is said that this sort of thing was and exploit, but it isn't at the moment. There are exceptions to this, though: If you use the insta-join/insta-leave mechanic to actually kill someone, it's an exploit. If you use it to avoid getting killed it's not. It's incredibly stupid, and CCP have said they are looking at changing the mechanics. Let's just hope they come up with something a bit better than what we have right now.
Blueclaws Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:01:00 - [28] Originally by: Yendaj Originally by: Garmon mail me ingame and i'll see if we can sort these ******ing griefers out Or or or... I has a nasty plan I will let you join our alliance, the war dec will transfer (yummy) and then they got a world or hurt to deal with..... More yummy! They could either drop the dec, or, deal with 12 angry corps that dont like nub griefers wiggles eyebrows* <3 /me grins to self I vote for this.
Sambula	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:30:00 - [29] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: ScaR97731 Mama's Boys and other lame RL insults This is the kind of person who shouldn't be playing Eve, nor any other game as they have too hard a time separating the game from reality. If there is any truth to the theories that link school shootings to video games, this is the kind of person that is to blame. Well done, sir. You're going to ruin video games for the rest of us. What he writes is the perfect reason for why CCP's work to change the war system is so important. He basically describes a way to rid yourself of 100% of the consequences for your actions. Note that this doesn't just apply to smacktard carebears like him, but also to scammers, gankers and all manner of pirates. Corp jumping is a major problem and need to be stopped sooner rather than later. Lol, wow. I hear all the time how Eve is this uncaring world and you get what's coming to you. And when a person gets peeved by some corp that thinks wardeccing new corps is the way to go and lets them have it in the only way a rookie can, you say they should not play Eve? So by your tard logic, old corps can war-dec new corps, but the new corp can't even fling a few insults? Eve is definitely on the list of games that has made a sailor out of me. And your blind attitude only lets you see one side of the argument. Exactly how is it fair to have to go to war, as a new corp, with combatants that vastly outstrip your experience level? Instead of having the next few weeks being full of harassment, they move. Yours is the attitude that will ruin games for the rest of us. Here's a reminder. GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FUN!!!
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:42:00 - [30] Originally by: Sambula Lol, wow. I hear all the time how Eve is this uncaring world and you get what's coming to you. And when a person gets peeved by some corp that thinks wardeccing new corps is the way to go and lets them have it in the only way a rookie can, you say they should not play Eve? So by your tard logic, old corps can war-dec new corps, but the new corp can't even fling a few insults? Eve is definitely on the list of games that has made a sailor out of me. And your blind attitude only lets you see one side of the argument. Exactly how is it fair to have to go to war, as a new corp, with combatants that vastly outstrip your experience level? Instead of having the next few weeks being full of harassment, they move. Yours is the attitude that will ruin games for the rest of us. Here's a reminder. GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FUN!!! I'm sorry, but you should perhaps try to understand a post before replying to it in an inflammatory way. The person I quoted used internet-psychology to deem anyone with the piracy playstyle as a RL bad person. He did it many times and in ever more insulting ways. He managed to show everyone (except you) that he is the kind of person that really needs to step back from his computer. My post had nothing to do with old corps deccing young corps. It had everything to do with not taking the game so seriously and to realise that a game is, as you said, supposed to be fun. Eve is a game that allows people to play the bad guy. That's fun. It's fun living in a game universe where bad people are around, and real danger to your virutal property exists. That's the basic idea of this game. If you find it less than fun there are other games that are more suited to you. The person I quoted demonstrated an attitued to the basic principles of this game, and to the people playing it that made it seem as he was the type of person who is easily influenced by games, and who let games determine his RL actions. Hence, I made the comparison to school shootings. You, on the other hand, have demonstrated a distinct lack of reading comprehension and inherent carebearism. You have no interest in looking at this from any other perspective than your own, and you want everything handed to you on a silver plate. You fail to realise what kind of a game Eve is, and you most likely migrated here from WoW. The last paragraph was me using internet psychology in an ironic way.

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