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Darthoria Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.10.07 02:40:00 - [1] Obviously not my main as i don't want to invite more highsec gankers to dec us. I recently joined an rookie corp so we can help each other out a bit while we work on skills and it's kinda fun to see people happy entering their first cruiser,bc,bs. But then it happens concord email you have been wardeclared by XXX. We looked at them did a bit off research and now it comes that corp has 30 members we 8 and their avarage date off birth is 2006 while our oldest is an ***ping 6 weeks old. I mean i don't mind an wardec practising pvp a bit is all nice but when your station is camped by 6 hac's don't tell me you have an chance in your battlecruiser/cruiser/destroyer with almost no skills. We now have an couple off options 1) disband corp use an channel and be in noob corp for the time off the wardec last. 2) get in frigates, undock and loose our precious +1,+2 implants on instapops 3) ask help but that's kinda lame 4) petition for herassment as were clearly unable to put up any decent fight. Now i am an restart so for now i have been able to avoid being ganked by looking at local and have stabs on but that kinda sucks as well as you now hardly can do missions and earn my skillbooks with my targeting range cut into half Any ideas?
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.07 02:47:00 - [2] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 07/10/2008 02:51:40 Truth be told you're right, eight guys in frigates can't kill a similar number in HACs. But I bet with the right application of EWar and damage you can kill one of them. Their single loss will exceed the loss of all your frigates by a factor of 50 or more, and you show them that you don't intend to take the war dec lying down. Then after you do that, hire us to apply the pain until they drop the dec against you. But in all likelihood you should be able to evade these guys fairly easily. They probably only decced you so they have someone to shoot if they come across you in space. If my experience with this sort of thing is applicable here (having been involved with several incidents similar to this in my first corp), they won't actually launch more than a handful of organized operations against you.
Jonny 101 Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.10.07 02:54:00 - [3] Originally by: Darthoria 4) petition for herassment as were clearly unable to put up any decent fight. Ehm, this is not harrassment, it's eve, you'll only waste a GM's times meaning people like me have to wait even longer for LEGIT petitions about real bugs and problems. And you do have a chance, but as I don't like you I won't tell you what that chance is. My advice? www.wow-europe.com -------------------------------- Kublai was too lazy to get a GTC so i've been promoted to head forum troll in her place
Darthoria Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:02:00 - [4] and what in your view is harresment then? Even if bob wardecced you and camped your station you would have more chance then an noob in an frigate vs 6 hacs.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:06:00 - [5] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 07/10/2008 03:08:51 Originally by: Darthoria and what in your view is harresment then? Even if bob wardecced you and camped your station you would have more chance then an noob in an frigate vs 6 hacs. CCP has declared that war decs are not to be considered harassment. They have however acknowledged that the current system allows for larger corps to dec small corps without consequence, and that they are looking for a way to tweak this. Petitioning for harassment would be like if your corp boss kept granting you roles when you're trying to drop your roles and leave the corp or something, or if someone continuously spammed chat invites to you. It is important to remember that this is indeed Eve-Online, where fairness and decency are totally optional.
Jonny 101 Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Darthoria and what in your view is harresment then? Even if bob wardecced you and camped your station you would have more chance then an noob in an frigate vs 6 hacs. There is no way in -hell- for BoB to perma camp me in a station, certainly not an empire station. The problem isn't the game, it's your total ignorance towards how to sort your problems. Give me a frigate and put me up against six hac's and i'll be smiling, playing eve care free within ten minutes. -------------------------------- Kublai was too lazy to get a GTC so i've been promoted to head forum troll in her place
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:24:00 - [7] Jonny, for his abrasiveness, does raise a fair point. Low-end plants are mind-boggingly cheap in today's market. I was stunned the other day to see them selling for five figures in a region with a good trade hub. I'd recommend not worrying about your plants or your clones, and just look at this war dec as an opportunity. Get people to fit a sound loadout (sound in that the modules are relevant to the ship, not that the modules are expensive) on throwaway frigates and see what you can kill. It's true that this war dec will cut into your regular schedule of mission running or industry or whatever, but again, this is Eve. Role with it and you might end up enjoying something you thought you'd hate. Incidentally that's the same advice I give to people about sex.
Darthoria Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:31:00 - [8] Quote: Now i am an restart so for now i have been able to avoid being ganked reading ftw dude ;-) i am fine i am worried about real noobs and how they are driven out off the game by an bunch off bullies who clearly hate any option for an fair fight by picking on people who have 100 times training less then them and would run for anyone with an longer history as theirs.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:34:00 - [9] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 07/10/2008 03:34:58 Originally by: Darthoria Quote: Now i am an restart so for now i have been able to avoid being ganked reading ftw dude ;-) i am fine i am worried about real noobs and how they are driven out off the game by an bunch off bullies who clearly hate any option for an fair fight by picking on people who have 100 times training less then them and would run for anyone with an longer history as theirs. It isn't fair, but it means the game is working as intended in that it shows CCP are willing to let parts of their playerbase be victimized by more ruthless individuals. The philosophy of this game is unique amongst mainstream MMOs. It isn't a nice philosophy either, but damn it if it doesn't make this game awesome. If anyone is driven out of Eve because of a war dec it only means that they didn't adapt well enough. Eve isn't for everyone, and that is by design. I still think this whole situation won't turn out to be nearly as painful as you all believe it will, though.
Darthoria Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.10.07 04:11:00 - [10] thanks for the advice :) If i could i would hire mercs but i bet 60 million in corp wallet doesn't cut it
Varus Riaz Gallente Sarissa Defense Group	Posted - 2008.10.07 04:15:00 - [11] Given any thought to moving to 0.0 for the duration of the war dec? If you can get through into northern Syndicate with your corp and a hauler or two worth of ammo, you'll be set for a week. The gankers would have to get through gatecamps and deal with roaming gangs to get to you, and after a week they'd probably drop the dec to go after easier prey. Alternatively, find a startup merc corp and try to hire them. You can get a newer merc corp for cheap. This isn't necessarily because they're bad, but rather because they need to build up a reputation and show some contract kills on their killboard to begin to move up in the business.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.07 04:26:00 - [12] Darthoria send me the name of the corp deccing you over Eve-mail in game.
Olleybear PoliCratton Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.07 04:48:00 - [13] I would recommend fighting them in tech 1 crap fit cruisers. 6x tech 1 cruisers vs 6x hacs will get you at least one, or possibly two hacs. Popping their wrecks makes them take more of a loss and you know they are going to be tech II fit. Tactic for non-nano enemy: Get your guys all in vexors. Fit your hi slots with 2 or 3 medium energy neuts, 1 small remote armor repper, the rest with 200mm autocannons( autocannons dont use cap ) mid slot, mwd, web, 20km scram. You can experiment with some of your guys having tracking disruptors for giggles. Low slot, Medium armor rep, explosive active hardner, 1600mm plate, Damage control. Scram, web, neuter that hac and use drones types on its weakest resist. He wont have cap because of your neuters. You remote rep others in your gang getting hit if possible, but concentrate on neut and killing that hac. Should work fairly well. VS Nano's, well. this obviously wont work. Think about EV-300 drones to set after the primary nano. 8 x 5 EV-300s should drain his cap fairly quick if they can catch it, so you can then mwd, scram, web. Then pull in EV-300's and do the above on its least resist. Good Luck! <<< From one warrior to another: Whether you fight with me or against me, the willingness to fight makes us brothers. >>>
Karicha	Posted - 2008.10.07 08:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Darthoria Any ideas? Just disband the corp and make a new one. All hop over to the new one. War = over! If they dec that new corp, repeat the same. If they grief, you grief back! Have fun!
Aurora Serenity	Posted - 2008.10.07 08:42:00 - [15] Edited by: Aurora Serenity on 07/10/2008 08:42:06 just go with the 8 of you in cheap ass frigs with t1 stuff. Give them your best shot, and when you do think you will be blown to space dust; click any other station/stargate during your moment of slaughtering and spam that warp to button. Then you should not be podded and you gave it your best shot. Its not the end, its a game and enjoy it :) I bet you dont petition Nintendo when mario gets eaten up by that annoying flesh eating plant?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.07 08:56:00 - [16] You could try talking to the deccing corp and ask them why they decced? You might get a "why not" in reply, but then again it might turn out one of your guys actually did something to warrant this dec. Armed with that knowledge you can then remedy the situation and prevent a long and costly war. Smack is the noobkiller after all.
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.07 09:17:00 - [17] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 07/10/2008 09:24:46 You should never lose your implants in high or low sec unless you mega lag/disconnect or get smartbombed... and I'd bet a beer that you're not going to get smartbombed in high sec. Here's how: 1. Fight 2. About to die? 3. Select a celestial object 4. Start spamming "warp to" like your pod depends on it, because it does. 5. Once your ship pops, you'll warp away to safety. Don't always rely on this in low sec :) One of my first pod losses happened when my ship popped, I warped to a planet, and my pod just happened to land on top of a smartbombing raven. That learned me gooood! ;) Imo, yeah, get in frigates and t1 cruisers, bait them, try to get them separated across a gate. When I was a nubbin my corp got wardecced by some random group of guys. Looking back on it, I wish my CEO had us get out there in frigs, I think it would have been a blast. But no, he chose other means of dealing with the problem. Oh, another thing: I don't know who has decced you, but find out of they have a killboard. (Google!) If they do, study it to gather intel. Who flies alone? Who flies together? What is the makeup of their groups? Where do they roam? Given that you're a group of low-SP players, they might be looking for a corp that they think they can solowtfpwn. If so, their killboard might reflect that, and you can use it to your advantage. And... who decced you? Curiosity is killing me. Take note that there's a lot of merc corps out there that will wardec for smacktalk. Did one of the members of the corp talk some shit and inadvertently **** off a merc?
n3oAnG3l	Posted - 2008.10.07 11:10:00 - [18] I know u don't have much but can i have your stuff ?
Liberator 1 Gallente Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.10.07 11:29:00 - [19] Rotten tomatoes! I fancy a scrap, evemail me and I'll join yer corp. L1 ------------------------------------------- ôIf you are in a spaceship that is traveling at the speed of light, and you turn on the headlights, does anything happen?ö -------------------------
Garmon Minmatar Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.10.07 11:33:00 - [20] mail me ingame and i'll see if we can sort these *******ing griefers out signature locked for inappropriate language. ~EVE Community Team
tripodbilly	Posted - 2008.10.07 11:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Garmon mail me ingame and i'll see if we can sort these *******ing griefers out lol
Yendaj Minmatar Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Garmon mail me ingame and i'll see if we can sort these ******ing griefers out Or or or... I has a nasty plan I will let you join our alliance, the war dec will transfer (yummy) and then they got a world or hurt to deal with..... More yummy! They could either drop the dec, or, deal with 12 angry corps that dont like nub griefers wiggles eyebrows* <3 /me grins to self ** Nemo Me Impune Lacessit **
Garmon Minmatar Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:04:00 - [23] would be more fun if I tried to solo them signature locked for inappropriate language. ~EVE Community Team
ScaR97731	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:04:00 - [24] Make an alt, and then transfer all CEO powers over to that alt, and then you and your crew can leave the corp until the wardec ends. You guys can go about your business as usual without being shot at by a bunch of brainless, pinheads who have nothing better to do, and your corp name stays intact. A week ago some lame corp wardecced my corp. I got that message email from CONCORD saying I had been wardecced by some mama's boy corp, and that fighting would begin in 24 hours. I laughed when I got this message. Within an hour after having received the email from CONCORD these people showed up in the space station I was in and kept asking for private conversations, which I accepted. They would then ask me "Are you ready for tomorrow?" and I informed all of them that I was indeed ready for tomorrow, and by the way, why are you wardeccing my corp? The answer to this was that they wanted to have some fun, and also they didn't like what I said about Pirates in the forum, so they were going to make me pay. They demand a rather large, and silly amount of ISKS from me and then they will drop the wardec. I laughed at them and called them Mama's boys, and sissified, Nancy-girls, and told them that they would not get one penny from me. I also dared them to shoot my ships when the time came. Since I still had some time left before the "War" broke out, I decided to run a few errands and then do some mining. It quickly occurred to me that my new "friends" were following me all over the place. No matter where I went there they were...circling my ship like a bunch of escaped, mental, patients. I found this all amusing, and I told them what i thought of them and their corp. All of what i said must not have gone over very well with them because one of them got all emotional and said something like "You are going to regret every word!" This made me laugh so very hard. They harassed my ship the whole time I was mining making me think that a certain corp didn't get its medication that week, but all in all it was a whole lot of fun to insult these chumps. They then went back and camped out at my space station. The next day my corp left the space station exactly at the same moment the wardec was supposed to start, and the scumbag pirates, true to their lame words were right outside waiting. All of our ships were locked up in a heartbeat. Every last ship was locked but no one fired. No one fired because myself and my corp used that 24 hours that CONCORD gave us to transfer all CEO powers to one alt account, and then we all left the corp. For the alt the wardec was in full play, but for us the wardec was neutralized. My corp laughed long and hard at the stupid pirates, and then we all jumped to mine in the nearest belt. The lame, and now defrocked pirates followed all but pacified by these new developments. All they could do was hurl insults and threatened to gank us, which we all laughed at. They claimed we were cowards which made us laugh so much more harder. Eventually these lame idiots went away deprived of their "fun" I found out that the number one thing you can do to hurt a pirate and their band of mama's boys is to deny them any access at getting your money. Just deny them and they go away in search of prey that isn't so savvy. So if you're a small corp, and you get wardecced engage in denying the lame pirate corp of any way to extort money or "fun" out of you. The fun part that hurts them the most is they are being denied which equals epic fail in their collective minds. BTW the wardec was invalidated by CONCORD withing 2 days. I guess the lame pirate corp didn't want to pay the 2 million ISKs for the wardec. By doing what my corp did the Pirates corp ended up paying 2 million ISKs, while my corp still conducted business, made money, and didn't have to pay a cent.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:30:00 - [25] Originally by: ScaR97731 Mama's Boys and other lame RL insults This is the kind of person who shouldn't be playing Eve, nor any other game as they have too hard a time separating the game from reality. If there is any truth to the theories that link school shootings to video games, this is the kind of person that is to blame. Well done, sir. You're going to ruin video games for the rest of us. What he writes is the perfect reason for why CCP's work to change the war system is so important. He basically describes a way to rid yourself of 100% of the consequences for your actions. Note that this doesn't just apply to smacktard carebears like him, but also to scammers, gankers and all manner of pirates. Corp jumping is a major problem and need to be stopped sooner rather than later.
Jaro Brutus La Isla del Mono	Posted - 2008.10.07 13:29:00 - [26] Originally by: ScaR97731 Alt's stuff IIRC, instajoining/leaving corps is petitionable as a exploit of game mechanics to make/evade wardecs. Am I Wrong?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.07 13:48:00 - [27] Originally by: Jaro Brutus IIRC, instajoining/leaving corps is petitionable as a exploit of game mechanics to make/evade wardecs. Am I Wrong? Unfortunately, yes you are wrong. At one time it is said that this sort of thing was and exploit, but it isn't at the moment. There are exceptions to this, though: If you use the insta-join/insta-leave mechanic to actually kill someone, it's an exploit. If you use it to avoid getting killed it's not. It's incredibly stupid, and CCP have said they are looking at changing the mechanics. Let's just hope they come up with something a bit better than what we have right now.
Blueclaws Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:01:00 - [28] Originally by: Yendaj Originally by: Garmon mail me ingame and i'll see if we can sort these ******ing griefers out Or or or... I has a nasty plan I will let you join our alliance, the war dec will transfer (yummy) and then they got a world or hurt to deal with..... More yummy! They could either drop the dec, or, deal with 12 angry corps that dont like nub griefers wiggles eyebrows* <3 /me grins to self I vote for this.
Sambula	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:30:00 - [29] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: ScaR97731 Mama's Boys and other lame RL insults This is the kind of person who shouldn't be playing Eve, nor any other game as they have too hard a time separating the game from reality. If there is any truth to the theories that link school shootings to video games, this is the kind of person that is to blame. Well done, sir. You're going to ruin video games for the rest of us. What he writes is the perfect reason for why CCP's work to change the war system is so important. He basically describes a way to rid yourself of 100% of the consequences for your actions. Note that this doesn't just apply to smacktard carebears like him, but also to scammers, gankers and all manner of pirates. Corp jumping is a major problem and need to be stopped sooner rather than later. Lol, wow. I hear all the time how Eve is this uncaring world and you get what's coming to you. And when a person gets peeved by some corp that thinks wardeccing new corps is the way to go and lets them have it in the only way a rookie can, you say they should not play Eve? So by your tard logic, old corps can war-dec new corps, but the new corp can't even fling a few insults? Eve is definitely on the list of games that has made a sailor out of me. And your blind attitude only lets you see one side of the argument. Exactly how is it fair to have to go to war, as a new corp, with combatants that vastly outstrip your experience level? Instead of having the next few weeks being full of harassment, they move. Yours is the attitude that will ruin games for the rest of us. Here's a reminder. GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FUN!!!
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:42:00 - [30] Originally by: Sambula Lol, wow. I hear all the time how Eve is this uncaring world and you get what's coming to you. And when a person gets peeved by some corp that thinks wardeccing new corps is the way to go and lets them have it in the only way a rookie can, you say they should not play Eve? So by your tard logic, old corps can war-dec new corps, but the new corp can't even fling a few insults? Eve is definitely on the list of games that has made a sailor out of me. And your blind attitude only lets you see one side of the argument. Exactly how is it fair to have to go to war, as a new corp, with combatants that vastly outstrip your experience level? Instead of having the next few weeks being full of harassment, they move. Yours is the attitude that will ruin games for the rest of us. Here's a reminder. GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FUN!!! I'm sorry, but you should perhaps try to understand a post before replying to it in an inflammatory way. The person I quoted used internet-psychology to deem anyone with the piracy playstyle as a RL bad person. He did it many times and in ever more insulting ways. He managed to show everyone (except you) that he is the kind of person that really needs to step back from his computer. My post had nothing to do with old corps deccing young corps. It had everything to do with not taking the game so seriously and to realise that a game is, as you said, supposed to be fun. Eve is a game that allows people to play the bad guy. That's fun. It's fun living in a game universe where bad people are around, and real danger to your virutal property exists. That's the basic idea of this game. If you find it less than fun there are other games that are more suited to you. The person I quoted demonstrated an attitued to the basic principles of this game, and to the people playing it that made it seem as he was the type of person who is easily influenced by games, and who let games determine his RL actions. Hence, I made the comparison to school shootings. You, on the other hand, have demonstrated a distinct lack of reading comprehension and inherent carebearism. You have no interest in looking at this from any other perspective than your own, and you want everything handed to you on a silver plate. You fail to realise what kind of a game Eve is, and you most likely migrated here from WoW. The last paragraph was me using internet psychology in an ironic way.
Sansha'Seventia	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:58:00 - [31] Edited by: Sansha''Seventia on 07/10/2008 14:59:06 i dont know what else you can call it but bullying. Generally speaking if you are walking down the street carrying 3 walmart bags and 10 guys stopped you armed with M16's and refused to let you go any further you would consider that bullying, and thats what a lot of characters effectively do in eve. they gang up against weaker victims to either extract sadistic pleasure or ISK. all part of the game rules maybe but i think its fair for the posters who stand up for noobs to say "you know what that really is just bullying because there is no honor in picking a fight with someone who has zero chance of winning". I had a nice bit of pew pew on my first day. a guy more experienced than me i had a bit of banter with and then he picked up my can and it was on, despite my lack of skills my frig with rocks still got his frigs shields down and half into his armor before i went down. fair play. i knew i wouldnt win but i lost fair and square. the nice bit was he collected all my stuff and took it back to the station and gave it back to me. That kind of thing is the nice side of eve and encourages people to PVP more because although im out a few iskies post insurance i can still get most of my fittings back on a ship and keep going. Just griefing newbie carebear corps that are trying to make a start in the world is the RL equivelant of walking up to a pram and smacking the baby in a face with a brick - its simply unreasonable force against a target that cant defend itself well. and theres no honour in the kill. Wardeccing simply to get pew pew forced in easy kills in empire is simply cowardice. Anyways. ive got nothing to lose, noplants and while i might not take down a HAC i will be more than rpepared to leap in and scram him long enough to let whatever mercs you can afford nail him some DPS. so you can count me in for a fight. I might be a scumbag but im not a bully and i will join any defence force you want to muster willingly. i admit to trying a bit of canflipping when i started, but it just left me feeling cheap and dirty. so im a robin of sherwood pirate now. i rob from those that can afford to lose it. not noobs trying to make a honest isk to get on in life. of course once they have made their money i will rob em blind.
Commodore Bill	Posted - 2008.10.07 15:04:00 - [32] Ok now, what you have here is an oppertunity, several opportunities even. Lets start with a couple "don'ts". Don't quit the game, don't whine, don't smack the deccers, don't flee your corp. Also, don't go leeroy in something you can't afford to replace. Do's (in no particular order): Be as prepared as you can be to fight back. Gather as much info about the aggressing corp. Keep quiet in local, if at all possible. There's nothing at all to be gained from engaging in "witty banter" or smacking. Accept personal chats however, and do your best to comport yourself with dignity and intelligence. Keep barges, haulers and anything pricey docked. Update your clones and make sure all vessels that may undock are fully insured. Read up on pvp fits for frigates and cruisers, focusing on e-war to a great extent. Accept that you are outnumbered, outgunned and outclassed in every way as things currently stand. If you fight you will most certainly lose but that's no reason not to fight, especially if you have a chance to influence the terms of the fight (intel/preperation/help, etc) and to try and learn from it. Also understand a few things. Being wardecced as a newbie industrial corp is not grief play, it's an accepted, even expected right of passage in EVE. Some players (including myself quite frankly) may consider it a bit lame to dec newbie industrial corps, but still there's nothing whatsoever about it that's not in the spirit of the game or violates any rules. Furthermore you may wish to investigate, if possible, how this war dec came about. There's literally thousands of corps just like yours for corps like your adversaries to chose from. Something might have transpired that made your corp a more interesting target over all the other possibilities. What you do from here is what will define your corp from this day forth. You have a chance to become a hardened and dignified corporation with an industrial focus or persue some of the many other avenues. Certainly some players (especially from this forum) may consider anyone a "carebear" if they ever engage in any activity in game that doesn't involve some other player being relieved of their ship and pod. However, it's important to note that industry in EVE is just as much part of the game as player combat. In fact industry can be far more high stakes then pvp, you're never met a real ruthless SOB till you've played the markets. That's what EVE can be. Why am I saying all this? Not quite 3 years ago I was a member of a newbie industrial corp that got what seemed like a random, arbitrary "grief" dec. Turns out one of our number mouthed off in local, attracting attention. Learned a lesson there and we now comport ourselves with grace and dignity if we say anything at all. We didn't panic though, we learned, we asked advice, we didn't lose any ships stupidly but one, oddly enough that of our own smacker. We only had one member quit the game (smacker again). After that, whenever we fought we gained respect, even in losing. And we learned. After two weeks, we learned directly from members of the corp that wardecced us, they gave us a great deal of advice that was quite useful to us. Since then, we have become a quietly ruthless industrial corp with many assets and activities. We've not been wardecced since, though there were a couple of instances that might have resulted in a scuffle maybe. One dec was dropped before becoming active when we docked up our Hulks, Freighters and industrials and undocked our HAC's and Command Ships. Another time someone demanded a payment to not dec us and we responded that the money they asked for was substantially and pitifully less then the monthly retainer we pay to the merc corp that was about to come down on them like a sack of hammers. No war dec ever came. Oh btw, our retained merc corp is lead by some of those guys that dec'd us way back when, we're buddies now.
ZeCamerone Caldari 20th Legion	Posted - 2008.10.07 15:23:00 - [33] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Sambula Lol, wow. I hear all the time how Eve is this uncaring world and you get what's coming to you. And when a person gets peeved by some corp that thinks wardeccing new corps is the way to go and lets them have it in the only way a rookie can, you say they should not play Eve? So by your tard logic, old corps can war-dec new corps, but the new corp can't even fling a few insults? Eve is definitely on the list of games that has made a sailor out of me. And your blind attitude only lets you see one side of the argument. Exactly how is it fair to have to go to war, as a new corp, with combatants that vastly outstrip your experience level? Instead of having the next few weeks being full of harassment, they move. Yours is the attitude that will ruin games for the rest of us. Here's a reminder. GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FUN!!! I'm sorry, but you should perhaps try to understand a post before replying to it in an inflammatory way. The person I quoted used internet-psychology to deem anyone with the piracy playstyle as a RL bad person. He did it many times and in ever more insulting ways. He managed to show everyone (except you) that he is the kind of person that really needs to step back from his computer. My post had nothing to do with old corps deccing young corps. It had everything to do with not taking the game so seriously and to realise that a game is, as you said, supposed to be fun. Eve is a game that allows people to play the bad guy. That's fun. It's fun living in a game universe where bad people are around, and real danger to your virutal property exists. That's the basic idea of this game. If you find it less than fun there are other games that are more suited to you. The person I quoted demonstrated an attitued to the basic principles of this game, and to the people playing it that made it seem as he was the type of person who is easily influenced by games, and who let games determine his RL actions. Hence, I made the comparison to school shootings. You, on the other hand, have demonstrated a distinct lack of reading comprehension and inherent carebearism. You have no interest in looking at this from any other perspective than your own, and you want everything handed to you on a silver plate. You fail to realise what kind of a game Eve is, and you most likely migrated here from WoW. The last paragraph was me using internet psychology in an ironic way. Speaking of people who need to take a step back from their computer...and rage dump
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.07 15:33:00 - [34] Originally by: ZeCamerone Speaking of people who need to take a step back from their computer...and rage dump Did I insult your alt? Don't see any rage in my post.
Darthoria Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.10.07 15:51:00 - [35] Edited by: Darthoria on 07/10/2008 15:51:54 Originally by: Yendaj Originally by: Garmon mail me ingame and i'll see if we can sort these ******ing griefers out Or or or... I has a nasty plan I will let you join our alliance, the war dec will transfer (yummy) and then they got a world or hurt to deal with..... More yummy! They could either drop the dec, or, deal with 12 angry corps that dont like nub griefers wiggles eyebrows* <3 /me grins to self woot expect an evemail just waiting for my ceo to agree with us joining if your offer is still up
Sambula	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Sambula Lol, wow. I hear all the time how Eve is this uncaring world and you get what's coming to you. And when a person gets peeved by some corp that thinks wardeccing new corps is the way to go and lets them have it in the only way a rookie can, you say they should not play Eve? So by your tard logic, old corps can war-dec new corps, but the new corp can't even fling a few insults? Eve is definitely on the list of games that has made a sailor out of me. And your blind attitude only lets you see one side of the argument. Exactly how is it fair to have to go to war, as a new corp, with combatants that vastly outstrip your experience level? Instead of having the next few weeks being full of harassment, they move. Yours is the attitude that will ruin games for the rest of us. Here's a reminder. GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FUN!!! I'm sorry, but you should perhaps try to understand a post before replying to it in an inflammatory way. The person I quoted used internet-psychology to deem anyone with the piracy playstyle as a RL bad person. He did it many times and in ever more insulting ways. He managed to show everyone (except you) that he is the kind of person that really needs to step back from his computer. My post had nothing to do with old corps deccing young corps. It had everything to do with not taking the game so seriously and to realise that a game is, as you said, supposed to be fun. Eve is a game that allows people to play the bad guy. That's fun. It's fun living in a game universe where bad people are around, and real danger to your virutal property exists. That's the basic idea of this game. If you find it less than fun there are other games that are more suited to you. The person I quoted demonstrated an attitued to the basic principles of this game, and to the people playing it that made it seem as he was the type of person who is easily influenced by games, and who let games determine his RL actions. Hence, I made the comparison to school shootings. You, on the other hand, have demonstrated a distinct lack of reading comprehension and inherent carebearism. You have no interest in looking at this from any other perspective than your own, and you want everything handed to you on a silver plate. You fail to realise what kind of a game Eve is, and you most likely migrated here from WoW. The last paragraph was me using internet psychology in an ironic way. Your a funny man. So lets go back. He gets wardecced by some random corp. They say it's for fun. They have the ships and the tactics to back them up. They are playing the bad guy. So he goes off and calls the bad guys, Nancies and sissies. And you try and draw some conclusion that they, the good guys in this arguement, are going to be the ones doing a school shooting? When they "bad" guys doing the wardeccing are not the ones showing anti-social behavior? You say that I fail to realize what kind of game Eve is? Are you sure you are not asking me if I fail to see what kind of game Eve is in your eyes? Eve is an open game that lets you do what you want. Your view and my view differ. And this inherent carebearism? Psh. Please. I've met people like you. They think they know something. Toss a few coherent thoughts together, realize it does not really add up to much, so they throw in buzzwords. "Internet Psychology", school shootings. I might have thought you had two cent's worth of brain power but that comment about WoW..... May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your crotch. Good day.
ZeCamerone Caldari 20th Legion	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: ZeCamerone Speaking of people who need to take a step back from their computer...and rage dump Did I insult your alt? Don't see any rage in my post. Sorry bud, unlike you I don't need alts to enjoy the game.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:45:00 - [38] Originally by: Sambula Your a funny man. What's funny is that you still don't understand my first post. Originally by: Sambula So lets go back. He gets wardecced by some random corp. They say it's for fun. They have the ships and the tactics to back them up. They are playing the bad guy. So he goes off and calls the bad guys, Nancies and sissies. And you try and draw some conclusion that they, the good guys in this arguement, are going to be the ones doing a school shooting? When they "bad" guys doing the wardeccing are not the ones showing anti-social behavior? Yes, he's the one that is displaying anti-social behaviour. He's getting all worked up over a video game. The war deccers are just playing said video game in the spirit of the game. The school shooting argument seems to have gone way over your head, but suffice to say, if someone manages to get as worked up over a video game as the originally quoted guy, I wouldn't like to be around that person. Originally by: Sambula You say that I fail to realize what kind of game Eve is? Are you sure you are not asking me if I fail to see what kind of game Eve is in your eyes? Eve is an open game that lets you do what you want. Your view and my view differ. But according to you (and the originally quoted guy) playing Eve in one way makes you open for verbal abuse. So, I can play however I want, but if I don't play like you you'll call me names and tell me I'm a psycho or mama's boy IRL? Originally by: Sambula And this inherent carebearism? Psh. Please. You should have read the last line of my post, but then again, you have already demonstrated that you are unable to read and comprehend posts. Originally by: Sambula I've met people like you. They think they know something. Toss a few coherent thoughts together, realize it does not really add up to much, so they throw in buzzwords. "Internet Psychology", school shootings. I might have thought you had two cent's worth of brain power but that comment about WoW..... Well, it seems myy coherent thoughts tossed together made you steam a little and fail to read my post. Originally by: Sambula May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your crotch. There you go insulting me again, this time in an edgy sort of ethnic way. Perhaps you should go back and read my first post again, try to piece together how this argument started, and then come back and say you're sorry. Or you can post with your main so I can take my virtual grievances out on you ingame.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:45:00 - [39] Originally by: ZeCamerone Sorry bud, unlike you I don't need alts to enjoy the game. I'm not your bud. Either you're an alt or you're completely new to this game, and therefore completely irrelevant.
Mithos Victus Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:52:00 - [40] My corporation was recently decced by a small gang of griefers and opportunists who spend most every night chasing rookie ships and haulers all night long across the entirety of Empire space. After detailed research into the corporation, killboards, ships they commonly fly, schedules they run, places they regularly hunt, their personal employment history and age I contacted the corporation to verify that the terms were based on griefing, extortion, and entertainment value. They were. So we formed combat squadrons, and took a stand. Pilots were podded on both sides, and I can only hope the griefer we podded was presumptuous enough to go 3:8 in an engagement with his combat clone and a full array of combat implants worth tens of millions a piece, because his cold lifeless body was floating through space after we were done with him. Did we win? No. Is the dec over yet? No. Did we cut our teeth on PvP as a corporation, not humiliate ourselves by first pursuing anything other than combat, and decide the future of the corporation? Yes. Did we also research and pursue all alternatives including hiring mercs, tipping off pirate corps to the bloated pockets of our aggressors, going underground and inactive, relocating to 0.0, or other somewhat unsavory solutions? Yes. The amount of griefers will never dwindle until 50% of EVE's playerbase stops spending 100% of their time in Empire. So do you research, establish a base of operations in NRDS sovereign space, join an Alliance or corporation with access to 0.0 space, or try to make it on your own and stake a claim in an NPC 0.0 region and make a name for yourself. The griefers will cry carebear tears when their targets begin to be far and few between and when they have both Empire AND 0.0 bases, which they can move to and fro depending on circumstances. Bring home the bacon to 0.0, everyone wants more targets out there, let a band of griefers follow you in, and turn them into space debris at a bubble camp. Everyone will thank you for it.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.07 17:00:00 - [41] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: ZeCamerone Sorry bud, unlike you I don't need alts to enjoy the game. I'm not your bud. looks like the one getting all worked up here is you
ZeCamerone Caldari 20th Legion	Posted - 2008.10.07 17:27:00 - [42] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: ZeCamerone Sorry bud, unlike you I don't need alts to enjoy the game. I'm not your bud. Either you're an alt or you're completely new to this game, and therefore completely irrelevant. I'll take the unspoken option C; I know the advantages of having an alt, but choose not to have one. After all, you wouldn't bother arguing with an irrelevant person would you?
Rudy Metallo The Bastards	Posted - 2008.10.07 17:32:00 - [43] posting in a thread where Johnny 101 displays his obvious superiority to all of us. All hail him, ye unworthy! Log on and go afk. They'll get bored eventually. --
Dire Radiant	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:02:00 - [44] Originally by: Rudy Metallo posting in a thread where Johnny 101 displays his obvious superiority to all of us. All hail him, ye unworthy! Log on and go afk. They'll get bored eventually. Better yet. Log on. Safe and Cloak. They get really frustrated over that one. Especially if you move around between systems or decloak every few hours. One other fun thing to do. Get in a big buffer tanked BS and play the undock/redock game at a caldari station with one of those 50km dock ranges.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:17:00 - [45] Originally by: Dire Radiant Originally by: Rudy Metallo posting in a thread where Johnny 101 displays his obvious superiority to all of us. All hail him, ye unworthy! Log on and go afk. They'll get bored eventually. Better yet. Log on. Safe and Cloak. They get really frustrated over that one. Especially if you move around between systems or decloak every few hours. One other fun thing to do. Get in a big buffer tanked BS and play the undock/redock game at a caldari station with one of those 50km dock ranges. Hehe. That's just evil! Going to try these myself.
Mithos Victus Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Dire Radiant Better yet. Log on. Safe and Cloak. They get really frustrated over that one. Especially if you move around between systems or decloak every few hours. LOL yea, I did that out in Syndicate with a guy who had just podded my corpsmate. The system had no station. He must scanned for me every bit of an hour before finally giving up. Poor guy prolly spent half a mil in probes. Originally by: Dire Radiant One other fun thing to do. Get in a big buffer tanked BS and play the undock/redock game at a caldari station with one of those 50km dock ranges. Ooh, that does sound fun, will have to try that one sometime.
Juzo Caldari Retribution Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:24:00 - [47] Originally by: Darthoria Obviously not my main as i don't want to invite more highsec gankers to dec us. I recently joined an rookie corp so we can help each other out a bit while we work on skills and it's kinda fun to see people happy entering their first cruiser,bc,bs. But then it happens concord email you have been wardeclared by XXX. We looked at them did a bit off research and now it comes that corp has 30 members we 8 and their avarage date off birth is 2006 while our oldest is an ***ping 6 weeks old. I mean i don't mind an wardec practising pvp a bit is all nice but when your station is camped by 6 hac's don't tell me you have an chance in your battlecruiser/cruiser/destroyer with almost no skills. We now have an couple off options 1) disband corp use an channel and be in noob corp for the time off the wardec last. 2) get in frigates, undock and loose our precious +1,+2 implants on instapops 3) ask help but that's kinda lame 4) petition for herassment as were clearly unable to put up any decent fight. Now i am an restart so for now i have been able to avoid being ganked by looking at local and have stabs on but that kinda sucks as well as you now hardly can do missions and earn my skillbooks with my targeting range cut into half Any ideas? Hrm, I have some change to blow Griefer Corp name???
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.07 20:35:00 - [48] Originally by: ZeCamerone I'll take the unspoken option C; I know the advantages of having an alt, but choose not to have one. After all, you wouldn't bother arguing with an irrelevant person would you? The seldom spoken about dumb option, I get it. But you are rather young and don't know much about the game. Or you're an alt.
ZeCamerone Caldari 20th Legion	Posted - 2008.10.07 21:08:00 - [49] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: ZeCamerone I'll take the unspoken option C; I know the advantages of having an alt, but choose not to have one. After all, you wouldn't bother arguing with an irrelevant person would you? The seldom spoken about dumb option, I get it. But you are rather young and don't know much about the game. Or you're an alt. Or I could be of decent in-game age and know what I'm doing, which is the truth (you're not very good at this assumption business, are you m8?) To OP (finally): Be optimistic about the situation; your antagonists likely to underestimate any combat attempt you make until you seriously damage or even destroy one of their ships. Choose a target that you guys can destroy with an organized corp effort, and I wouldn't recommend hiring mercs unless it's your very last resort.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.07 21:18:00 - [50] Edited by: Maximillian Bayonette on 07/10/2008 21:18:13 Originally by: ZeCamerone Or I could be of decent in-game age and know what I'm doing, which is the truth (you're not very good at this assumption business, are you m8?) Assumption? 2008-07-09. You're under three months old. That's about as noob as they come. Going with the hypothesis that you're not an alt.
ZeCamerone Caldari 20th Legion	Posted - 2008.10.07 21:29:00 - [51] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Edited by: Maximillian Bayonette on 07/10/2008 21:18:13 Originally by: ZeCamerone Or I could be of decent in-game age and know what I'm doing, which is the truth (you're not very good at this assumption business, are you m8?) Assumption? 2008-07-09. You're under three months old. That's about as young as they come. Going with the hypothesis that you're not an alt. Fixed. Please don't dec my rookie corp
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.07 21:33:00 - [52] Originally by: ZeCamerone Fixed. Please don't dec my rookie corp So this was just a lie then? Originally by: ZeCamerone Or I could be of decent in-game age and know what I'm doing, which is the truth Think it's about time you stopped posting now.
ZeCamerone Caldari 20th Legion	Posted - 2008.10.07 21:50:00 - [53] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: ZeCamerone Fixed. Please don't dec my rookie corp So this was just a lie then? Originally by: ZeCamerone Or I could be of decent in-game age and know what I'm doing, which is the truth Think it's about time you stopped posting now. I'm just entertaining your little flame war m8
Dian'h Might	Posted - 2008.10.08 00:14:00 - [54] @ the OP: Your situation isn't hopeless. My 5 person corp with an average age of about 3 months got wardec'd by a ~15 person corp in which all of the players were over a year old (most were 2006 at least). In the 24 hours leading up to it, we did some scouting. On a friends suggestion I flew to their HQ and made safespots while adding any member of the corp I saw to my address book. In the hour before the war started, we got everyone we could online (3 people), moved to their system, and waited in front of their station. I was in a gankfit thorax with my other corpmates flying a blackbird and a brutix. With 2 minutes left to go I watched a hauler warp to nowhere (probably a mission). I kept my scanner on him and managed to track him to a gate within the next few minutes. I followed him through the gate, fully expecting a trap. It wasn't and I managed to bag a hauler with about 5m worth of fittings + a mission item and some salvage. We ended up loosing the brutix in a dock/undock game, but then they lost a domi to some random guy with killrights who took advantage of our diversion. I undocked in my rax and quickly podded the guy while he screamed about exploits. After that we all made scouting alts (this is one of them) and didn't go through our home system unless we'd scouted around it first. After a week they ended the wardec and we haven't heard from them since. tl;dr version: my small corp of new players got wardeced by a bunch of 2 year+ guys, we brought the fight to them, final score was: Them: a brutix (10m after insurance maybe) Us: a hauler (5m plus the value of the mission item), a pod (unknown implants), and the lol value of using alts to watch them waste time camping our empty station (priceless)
Olleybear PoliCratton Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.08 00:35:00 - [55] So how is the OP's war going? Kinda curious to hear some stories. <<< From one warrior to another: Whether you fight with me or against me, the willingness to fight makes us brothers. >>>
Darthoria Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.10.08 06:03:00 - [56] ok small update, we lost an couple off small ships frigs and cruisers from our real rookies i mean like <2 week old. So that's nothing to worry about, as for the 2 "ace" pilots they try to catch them but all the receive is an lot off lost time camping gates who are allready checked out by alts we even frustrate them by going to bed and leave our toons docked at stations so they waste time too there waiting if we undock. Meanwhile we are waiting for our rookies to reach cruisers skills and some basic EW skills which should take them 2-3 days, we made the cruisers and fitting them allready with mission loot so no loss if that blows up. The stage is set the tactics are discussed soon we hope to see some nice exploding tech2 ships and even if we all die trying we will have learned something and were not undocking anyway with something we can't afford to miss. As for the offer for helps we discussed that too and it certainly sounds tempting but for now we decided not to take on offers at the first real challenge we face, if we keep dying and get low on iskies then we can always go over offers again. But for now it is certain with the 50 million wardec they loose more as us and get hours waiting for it in return + an couple off t1 cruiser/frigate loot from unsuspecting rookies but hey that's fine atleast they learn to watch local now the people undetected make more then enough to replace those losses.
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.10.08 07:47:00 - [57] Originally by: Garmon mail me ingame and i'll see if we can sort these *******ing griefers out Oh man am i glad im not a high sec griefer :D
Simen123 Caldari modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.10.08 08:40:00 - [58] you could go in cheap t1 fitted gankdessies and take the fight to them, we've killed bs's with them having out newest members in dessies putting out 100-150dps each, and if ur teamwork works good enough, u will most likely kill something
Garmon Minmatar Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.10.08 18:28:00 - [59] Just mailed Darthoria ingame, please respond to my mail with your main character signature locked for inappropriate language. ~EVE Community Team
Lubomir Penev Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:42:00 - [60] Originally by: Simen123 you could go in cheap t1 fitted gankdessies and take the fight to them, we've killed bs's with them having out newest members in dessies putting out 100-150dps each, and if ur teamwork works good enough, u will most likely kill something I'd pay to see that. kworld is not in charge anymore or something? -- I'm done whining about AFs, it looks like they are making them right \o/
Doctor Remulak	Posted - 2008.10.09 14:53:00 - [61] It's always amuses me to leave the game logged on while they sit outside a station while I'm playing Rockband or something. When I was first starting out our corp was wardecced and some idiot actually camped outside a station waiting for me to undock while I went to the shopping mall. When I got back, he was still there. I wish I had the log of the convo that ensued. It was pretty funny. I, the noob, actually felt bad for him so I gave him, a 3 year old player, a 1v1 - my Rifter (best ship I could fly) against his and I actually fought him to a tie because he couldn't break my noob setup - shield and armor rep. He did honor the 1v1 though, which in retrospect is surprising considering I made him sit outside the station for a couple of hours.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2008.10.09 15:34:00 - [62] Edited by: Vrabac on 09/10/2008 15:36:56 Originally by: Darthoria 2) get in frigates, undock and loose our precious +1,+2 implants on instapops How is getting into frigates connected to losing implants exactly? Try fighting back, it's fun. Originally by: Sansha'Seventia Generally speaking if you are walking down the street carrying 3 walmart bags and 10 guys stopped you armed with M16's LMAO these sorts of analogies always make me pee my pants.
ScaR97731	Posted - 2008.10.10 12:28:00 - [63] I still say that the OP shouldn't let the Pirates, or wardeccing corp dictate the rules giving them control over the direction on how events go where he ends up spending much money and material on a pointless engagement with a collection of mentally challenged people. I say deny the corp the war; deny them their so-called fun. Let them eat cake. Any corp that wardecs for fun is a corp full of people with severe mental, and emotional problems. People like this should not be playing EVE.
Eschiava Q Minmatar 181st Legion	Posted - 2008.10.10 13:12:00 - [64] Edited by: Eschiava Q on 10/10/2008 13:12:49 War-deccing is part of the game. So, it seems you are saying that people who play the game to have fun are "people with severe mental, and emotional problems" and that they should not be allowed to play EVE. Brilliant!
Lucia Warbler Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.10.10 13:41:00 - [65] Originally by: Olleybear I would recommend fighting them in tech 1 crap fit cruisers. 6x tech 1 cruisers vs 6x hacs will get you at least one, or possibly two hacs. Popping their wrecks makes them take more of a loss and you know they are going to be tech II fit. If HAC pilots know what they are doing, there's no way six total noobs in a cruiser can kill even one of them. First fights all end with the new pilot musing; "if only I had remembered to launch those drones or fit better I would've..." Best option is to disband or relocate often, preferably to different empire space until attackers don't consider WD worth weekly Concord bribe.
Traidor Disloyal Maximum Yarrage	Posted - 2008.10.10 14:02:00 - [66] Originally by: ScaR97731 Any corp that wardecs for fun is a corp full of people with severe mental, and emotional problems. You know me so well. No, seriously you do.
Lubomir Penev Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.10 15:42:00 - [67] Originally by: ScaR97731 I still say that the OP shouldn't let the Pirates, or wardeccing corp dictate the rules giving them control over the direction on how events go where he ends up spending much money and material on a pointless engagement with a collection of mentally challenged people. If you can't win against mentally challenged people what does that make you?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.10 20:13:00 - [68] I would say meh, jump in frigs and run to lowsec!(**** what everyone else says, ratting in lowsec in a frigate is fun) try and get them to follow you, hopefully there are some bigger fish and they get eated. or take garmons offer, I want to see garmon v 6 hacs in the next garmonation vid
Oberoonmoon Gallente East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.11 15:46:00 - [69] If a corp wants to "force" their way of gamestyle upon another corp, for example a PVP corp attacking a small industrial corp, the industrial corp should deny them the pleasure to PVP in any means possible. The worse thing you can do is to fight back and play the game how they want it to be played. Fight back and you might get wardecced several more times from the same guys. Deny them a fight, let them waste hours upon hours waiting to get you, will prop make them end the war after one week. A typical PVP player in EVE seems (yeah its a very general statment) to be a impatient player who crave action when he play. Let him waste his time and get bored and you will prop not see them in the near future again. Also dont be rude, even better, dont communicate at all with them unless they contact you first. If they contatc you, keep your replies short and polite and dont take any verbal bait they throw at you. Yeah wardec is a part of the game, so is PVP, but not all play EVE for that. For those who seek out weaker corp to fight them, they are just sad, and no true PVP player in my eyes. Reminds me of FPS players who seeks out servers were crappy players are, just to get a win.
Lubomir Penev Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.11 17:26:00 - [70] Originally by: Oberoonmoon A typical PVP player in EVE seems (yeah its a very general statment) to be a impatient player who crave action when he play. Let him waste his time and get bored and you will prop not see them in the near future again. And what if they are the patient sadistic type (and doing other things on another account anyway). $15 a month is a bit much for a station simulator no? -- I'm done whining about AFs, it looks like they are making them right \o/
Oberoonmoon Gallente East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.11 22:42:00 - [71] Who says Im sitting inside a station ? There are numerous of ways to avoid those who are after you Beside, there are more people who can play "I use my alt to play with instead" But yes, you might have a point, but those guys are more the rare case. (must be insane if they enjoy sitting outside a station for 2 or 3 weeks)
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.11 22:52:00 - [72] Edited by: techzer0 on 11/10/2008 22:53:17 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton or take garmons offer, I want to see garmon v 6 hacs in the next garmonation vid Didn't he do that already? Or was it 5? I hatesss garmon for the nasty nasty hatemail in my inbox from hims!! Op, bring them to lowsec, there's not enough action when I'm online for 10 minutes a day ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Lubomir Penev Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.11 23:35:00 - [73] Originally by: Oberoonmoon Who says Im sitting inside a station ? There are numerous of ways to avoid those who are after you Beside, there are more people who can play "I use my alt to play with instead" But yes, you might have a point, but those guys are more the rare case. (must be insane if they enjoy sitting outside a station for 2 or 3 weeks) Only morons station camp during an empire war, it only leads to whack a mole game. Or you do it if you don't actually want a kill. The smart empire griefer, and I used to be one before being member of a respectable 0.0 space holding alliance, you'll never see before it is too late, as in he'll we in your mission or waiting you at the gate in the system you just jumped in. Then there are lots of dumb empire griefers, but save not undocking yourself few things lead to less kills than a station camp. -- I'm done whining about AFs, it looks like they are making them right \o/
Gene3N	Posted - 2008.10.12 21:33:00 - [74] Edited by: Gene3N on 12/10/2008 21:33:43 The alternative to wardecs and safe sec space would be to have no concord at all. CPP has clearly made a decision that this is a space warfare game, with a resource gathering component (like starcraft was) an NOT an economic game with rick of piracy (as some people play it). Now let me say that I am pretty much a carebear in the game, BUT I understand that the role I chose is the hardest one to play - Being a non-military character in a military game. Kind of like not having a gun in CoD or Battlefield and just moving ammo around and healing others. This is not the EASY path - this is the hardest path, but CPP has done a bad job of describing this to new players so many of them assume this is the easier path. I think trade and mining skills should be much harder to train and later in the game after fight skills. That would reinforce the notion (which is true) that this is a wargame... and if you choose to play an industrial, well you are choosing a very hard role. Just my .02 from a (mostly) carebear who has been wardeced and didn't exactly enjoy it - but understood that it's part of the game. My suggestion to new corps w/o old members - Don't start 1, but start 2 or 3 corps with your alts at the same time. Then you have 1 active and 1-2 inactive corps - which are all getting older every day. If you feel you don't want to deal with a wardec, you don't have to leave the corp, change people, or wait for roles to expire, etc. All that happens is everyone in the corp logs in with an alt (yes they will be much less training) but you will still all be able to play together as a group and isn't that really what you want out of the game? Lastly - I don't think there is any shame is avoiding conflict. You didn't choose to fight a group 3X as many players with 10X the skills. They didn't choose that option either :-) They chose to fight 1/3 as many people with 1/10th the skills. So avoiding this fight actually is the rational thing to do. Hell wait 6 mo, and 6 mil skill points and wardec them back when the odds, although still in their favor, are much closer than they are now. War is the main component of this game, but don't assume you have to let others dictate the time or place of when you fight. Use strategy to put the odds in your favor - not theirs. Cheers!
Mithos Victus Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.13 13:40:00 - [75] The one thing to remember, is that money talks. For instance, my corps is still under a dec from a griefer gang, but this gang is small and amateur, and they are absolutely loaded with ISK as they've lost upwards of 500mil so far along with whatever implants were in the two we podded and they still have not retracted the dec. All it takes, is letting the right people know, there is a small upstart griefer gang, loaded with ISKies, who are ripe for plunder.
Garmon Minmatar TYR.	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:25:00 - [76] Edited by: Garmon on 15/10/2008 12:26:24 ye i joined the op's corp, after like 2 hrs of pkin, they knew my dominance over stupid little stupidheads griefers. 1 corp has canceld the wardec the other corp has lost 1/3 of their members its awesome 2 see the noobs now camping in the griefers rather than griefers camping in the noobs why would a corp with a lot of old members wardec a corp with such young players???? sickens me, they are not a honor, they are no true warrior so i showed them what a warrior should do and they cant handle it, cos they never tooked risks b4, u dont learn by pkin noobs im liking this griefing griefers thing, so if your in a noob corp and you got wardecd for no reason, mail me ingame signature locked for inappropriate language. ~EVE Community Team
Father Dibbles Self Aggrandisement Society	Posted - 2008.10.15 13:00:00 - [77] 50mill this is all just some Garmon PR stunt
Amarr'd Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.15 13:03:00 - [78] Originally by: Father Dibbles 50mill this is all just some Garmon PR stunt Your on
Father Dibbles Self Aggrandisement Society	Posted - 2008.10.15 13:07:00 - [79] Originally by: Amarr'd Originally by: Father Dibbles 50mill this is all just some Garmon PR stunt Your on 50mill you are a Garmon alt
Garmon Minmatar TYR.	Posted - 2008.10.15 13:08:00 - [80] WTF HOW DID U FIND OUT? signature locked for inappropriate language. ~EVE Community Team
Amarr'd Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.15 13:09:00 - [81] Originally by: Father Dibbles Originally by: Amarr'd Originally by: Father Dibbles 50mill this is all just some Garmon PR stunt Your on 50mill you are a Garmon alt 50 mill im not GOGOGO
Amarr'd Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.15 13:09:00 - [82] Originally by: Garmon WTF HOW DID U FIND OUT? STFU DONT GIVE US AWAY
CHED Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.15 13:11:00 - [83] Originally by: Garmon WTF HOW DID U FIND OUT? CONFIRMING I MAY BE GARMONS ALT I ALSO MAY NOT
Father Dibbles Self Aggrandisement Society	Posted - 2008.10.15 13:12:00 - [84] Originally by: CHED Originally by: Garmon WTF HOW DID U FIND OUT? CONFIRMING I MAY BE GARMONS ALT I ALSO MAY NOT 50Mill you are
Bai ZongTong Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.10.15 14:06:00 - [85] CONFIRMING THAT KACHAK HAS A SEXY VOICE ON VENT. --- Bai ZongTong, responsible for all the lossmails in my corp.
Father Dibbles Self Aggrandisement Society	Posted - 2008.10.15 14:41:00 - [86] Confirming that 150Mill in bets are still on table.
Demitria Fernir Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.15 14:42:00 - [87] Edited by: Demitria Fernir on 15/10/2008 14:41:58 CONFIRMING GARMON IS ON AN ALT-RAMPAGE. ALSO CONFIRMING I MIGHT BE GARMON'S ALT _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101
Father Dibbles Self Aggrandisement Society	Posted - 2008.10.15 14:46:00 - [88] Originally by: Demitria Fernir Edited by: Demitria Fernir on 15/10/2008 14:41:58 CONFIRMING GARMON IS ON AN ALT-RAMPAGE. ALSO CONFIRMING I MIGHT BE GARMON'S ALT Confirming that I will bet another 50mill on that
C7P9 Caldari TYR.	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:20:00 - [89] Confirming Garmon lured me (his alt obviously) into this GRIEFER WAR by promising Gneiss in highsec. :((((
SystemaX1	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:28:00 - [90] I find it funny how experienced corps wardeck beginner corps if there oldest players are 06 then you can tell how sad they really for wardecking 6 week or younger player corps. what you could do is find someone who doesnt care about looseing a ship like a suicider that loves useing smart bombs like me and my drake do. and offer them a certain amount to go down there and hit the XXX members with smart bombs and draw there attention away from you guys so you guys can go to another system 12 jumps away or something.
Khanto Thor Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.10.15 16:38:00 - [91] Originally by: SystemaX1 I find it funny how experienced corps wardeck beginner corps if there oldest players are 06 then you can tell how sad they really for wardecking 6 week or younger player corps. what you could do is find someone who doesnt care about looseing a ship like a suicider that loves useing smart bombs like me and my drake do. and offer them a certain amount to go down there and hit the XXX members with smart bombs and draw there attention away from you guys so you guys can go to another system 12 jumps away or something. What an ingenious plan , do you play eve?
Darthoria Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.10.16 02:10:00 - [92] Edited by: Darthoria on 16/10/2008 02:11:44 i can confirm garmon and friends did join our corp and are helping us with the enemy. They lost another 2 battleships today weeeeeeeee More importantly garmon is teaching us pvp got my first killmail in some russian speaking alliance deep in 0.0 was my first trip to lowsec even lol. God knows where i was just following them around in my caracal trying to get shots in and use those fancy modules i just learned the level 1 skills for. That training i have an feeling in the long run will be worth even more as killing the grievers. As obviously we need to fight back ourselves when they not around anymore. edit : spelling lol i am not native english.
Mithos Victus Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:49:00 - [93] Originally by: Khanto Thor What an ingenious plan , do you play eve? I'm thinking he is a socially challenged, compulsive, and pathological liar. Honestly. No malice intended, I think he has issues.
Mordeth Ventox Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.16 17:18:00 - [94] if you have 8 active members and they have 30 alts/old inactive people, you might be able to put up a decent fight. As a 4 million sp newb myself I can attest to how rough it can be to be attacked by older players. Just remember your not out numbered...your in a target rich environment! >:D Stick together and go hunting, they won't expect you to take it to them. "From Hell's heart I stab at thee, for hates sake I spit my last breath at thee."
Garmon Minmatar TYR.	Posted - 2008.10.16 17:30:00 - [95] Edited by: Garmon on 16/10/2008 17:31:02 Link to Campaing Griefing griefers is awesome! (Rogue knights of eve is the Corp that wardec'd the noob corp ) signature locked for inappropriate language. ~EVE Community Team
Fubarmofo	Posted - 2008.10.22 16:33:00 - [96] Good result. Nice that some of you guys jumped in to help. I had similar when I first started. Learning point to any other fledgeling corps receiving similar treatemnt - have a go, chances are the corp deccing you will admire your have a go attitude and once over, will be more than likely to offer assistance and answer questions relating to pvp. As down right annoying a wardec on a newbie corp is - you can learn loads from them.
Saralle Zhukov	Posted - 2008.10.22 17:50:00 - [97] Well your options are: 1. Negotiate 2. Fight 3. Turtle up in station 4. Run away (i.e. make a new corp, disband, make alt and all members go into noob corp, etc. variations of these) They are all valid choices in the EVE Universe. My Corp normally uses a combination of all 4 when in a Hi Sec war. Your pure miners/haulers leave and join noob corp so they can mine and supply your fighting types. Everybody else gets in cheap tech 1 ships (remember tech 1 as not to give the enemy profit) and uses any of the tactics described in a number of excellent posts. Then we proceed to go out and try to blast the enemy. Heck our first war we got one ship webbed scrambled 4 or 5 frigates on him but we COULDN'T KILL HIM. LOL heck it's all a learning experience. Remember the prime rule of EVE combat you don't really lose anything as long as your clone is up to date. Implants, ships, mods can all be replaced. If your clone isn't up to date when you undock well you won't do that twice. Have fun take it as a learning experience and ask your opponents for advice, after you have been in a few fights with them. You never know they may become some of your best allies in the long run. Tell your impetuous younger members to watch their potty mouths and work on their fighting skills and you should do well. Saralle Zhukov

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