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Undocumented worker	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:27:00 - [1] Edited by: Undocumented worker on 07/10/2008 03:29:15 Ok, I have SN 4 the mobile lab is located 2 jumps away, the lab is set to allow all. However i keep getting an error message that says the bpo must be in the same system as the lab. Anybody have an idea about why i can't research/copy? IS the skill broken? Am I broken? BPO: high sec in corp hanger LAB: low sec Jumps: 2 SN: 3
Horchan Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:42:00 - [2] The skill just allows YOU to be in a different place. The blueprint must be in the same system as the POS (assuming you're talking about one). --- DesuSigs
Undocumented worker	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:47:00 - [3] Edited by: Undocumented worker on 07/10/2008 03:51:47 Edited by: Undocumented worker on 07/10/2008 03:49:47 so basically it's just a remote start skill then? That's kind of disappointing, wish ccp would fix the description
Tal'Rocc Gallente Ioncross	Posted - 2008.10.07 06:30:00 - [4] well it means you can save your expensive bpo's in a station instead of your pos that can get attacked, blown up, looted, etc.... <a href="http://rumandmonkey.com/widgets/toys/testgen/6199/"><img src="http://stat.rumandmonkey.com/tests/9/9/6199/25764.jpg" title="Industrialist with teeth" alt="Industrialist with teeth" border="0"
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.07 09:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Undocumented worker so basically it's just a remote start skill then? That's kind of disappointing, wish ccp would fix the description The skill has 2 functions: - you can place the BPO in a corporation hangar in the same system of the BPO and research it at the POS without moving the BPO to the POS; - if the BPO is already in a corporation hangar in the same system of the BPO you can start/deliver the job remotely from x systems away (the range depend on your skill level). What you can't do is placing the BPO in a corporation hangar in a different system or in a private hangar in the same or different system and research them from there.
Mioelnir Minmatar Meltd0wn iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.07 09:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Undocumented worker Edited by: Undocumented worker on 07/10/2008 03:51:47 Edited by: Undocumented worker on 07/10/2008 03:49:47 so basically it's just a remote start skill then? That's kind of disappointing, wish ccp would fix the description Quote: Skill at running research operations remotely. Each level increases the distance at which research projects can be started. Where in the description does it say anything about lifting constraints about the blueprint's location? I only see phrases about remote starting.
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.10.07 10:18:00 - [7] Skill at running research operations remotely. Each level increases the distance at which research projects can be started. Level 1 allows for range within the same solar system, Level 2 extends that range to systems within 5 jumps, and each subsequent level then doubles it. Level 5 allows for full regional range. -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.07 11:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Venkul Mul The skill has 2 functions: - you can place the BPO in a corporation hangar in the same system of the BPO and research it at the POS without moving the BPO to the POS; - if the BPO is already in a corporation hangar in the same system of the BPO you can start/deliver the job remotely from x systems away (the range depend on your skill level). What you can't do is placing the BPO in a corporation hangar in a different system or in a private hangar in the same or different system and research them from there. The skill only has the second function. The first function is possible without the skill. Originally by: Tal'Rocc well it means you can save your expensive bpo's in a station instead of your pos that can get attacked, blown up, looted, etc.... See above. You don't need the skill to do that. The skill in NO way effects where the BPO may be. None at all. Only where 'you' may be (without it you must be within 3000m of the lab, but you can still put on jobs that have the BPO in an office in the same system as the POS).
Losis78	Posted - 2008.10.25 07:53:00 - [9] fully agree, just wasted 24 mils due ot inc description
Braaage Ministry of Craft	Posted - 2008.10.25 09:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Losis78 fully agree, just wasted 24 mils due ot inc description Yep seems everyone that doesn't ask first says this, you'd think by now CCP would have changed the description. -- POSs, Outposts, Exploration, Mining, Invention, Boosters, EA EVE Database, Character Generator & more
Losis78	Posted - 2008.10.25 14:33:00 - [11] "Skill at running research operations remotely. Each level increases the distance at which research projects can be started. Level 1 allows for range within the same solar system, Level 2 extends that range to systems within 5 jumps, and each subsequent level then doubles it. Level 5 allows for full regional range." F^^^^^ TBO say if level 1 allows to start it from STATION not a POS then why to hell LVL2 doesnÆt allow to start from a different systems I donÆt care as long as itÆs clearà and to avoid confusion I love this game!!!
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.25 15:41:00 - [12] Edited by: Lord Fitz on 25/10/2008 15:41:14 Originally by: Losis78 "Skill at running research operations remotely. Each level increases the distance at which research projects can be started. Level 1 allows for range within the same solar system, Level 2 extends that range to systems within 5 jumps, and each subsequent level then doubles it. Level 5 allows for full regional range." F^^^^^ TBO say if level 1 allows to start it from STATION not a POS then why to hell LVL2 doesnÆt allow to start from a different systems I donÆt care as long as itÆs clearà and to avoid confusion I love this game!!! Level 1 does NOT allow you to start it from a station. It allows you to start it from within the same solar system (you personally) that means inside the station, or undocked in a belt etc. The BPO can be at the station even WITHOUT the skill. (you personally have to be at the POS, but not the BPO). The BPO's possible locations are never effected by the skill at all. Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans CCP is a greedy money chewing monster
Braaage Ministry of Craft	Posted - 2008.10.25 16:31:00 - [13] The fact you can start a job from the POS Lab when the BPO is in the station, without the skill even trained to me is a bug and will be eventually fixed.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.26 02:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Braaage The fact you can start a job from the POS Lab when the BPO is in the station, without the skill even trained to me is a bug and will be eventually fixed. It's not a bug. The skill is not supposed to affect the BPO location. Without the skill YOU personally must be at the POS. Within 3000m of the lab. You can use the S&I window to put on the job though. It wouldn't make any sense if one level of the skill affected the possible BPO location but the next level didn't.
Losis78	Posted - 2008.10.26 09:35:00 - [15] But lets agree bug or not its CONFUSING :D
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.26 16:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Losis78 But lets agree bug or not its CONFUSING :D Wouldn't be Eve if it wasn't.
Clansworth Burning Sky Labs Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.10.27 18:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Lord Fitz Originally by: Losis78 But lets agree bug or not its CONFUSING :D Wouldn't be Eve if it wasn't. The skills description itself isn't confusing... however, all the slightly wrong information spread about it is. This skill very plainly describes what it does. However, all the misinformation spread about it allowing the BPO to be placed in a station and used for POS manufacturing/research is what causes the confusion. That misconception has already been demonstrated numerous times in tis thread already. BPO's can always be stored anywhere in the same system (has to be a corp hanger). PERIOD. No skills required for this 'feature'. This skill affects YOUR ability to interact with he factory/lab in question. Normally, you have to be withing 3000m of the factory/lab to operate it (start a job). This skill allows you to do it further away than that 3000m, as the description states. I do agree there should ALSO be a skill that allows the BPO's location to be stretched as well, and that might very well happen, as they've been talking about turning BP's into some sort of license that is tracked in a separate database, instead of an actual item, as they currently exist. POS Personal Storage
Polly Prissypantz Dingleberry Appreciation Society	Posted - 2008.10.27 19:52:00 - [18] The skill is still worth having, at least at level 1. It's a royal pain in the ass to keep having to physically be in location to start a job. Same with manufacturing and buying/selling remotely. If you do any of this, freeing yourself up from having to always physically be there to get anything done is unbelievably useful (unless you're an alt and never actually leave the system).
MailDeadDrop Archon Industries	Posted - 2008.10.27 21:33:00 - [19] Originally by: Clansworth BPO's can always be stored anywhere in the same system (has to be a corp hanger). PERIOD. Really? So you could have a BPO in the corp hangar of an Orca and start research on it at a POS in the system? And then what happens if the Orca flies to another system? I wish I had a character on Sisi that could fly an Orca so I could test this... MDD Jump Clones: 8M and NO corp switching
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.28 05:35:00 - [20] Edited by: Lord Fitz on 28/10/2008 05:36:31 Originally by: MailDeadDrop Originally by: Clansworth BPO's can always be stored anywhere in the same system (has to be a corp hanger). PERIOD. Really? So you could have a BPO in the corp hangar of an Orca and start research on it at a POS in the system? And then what happens if the Orca flies to another system? I wish I had a character on Sisi that could fly an Orca so I could test this... MDD Nope. Only Two locations. The lab itself, or in a corp office in system. Can't be in another POS structure, carrier hangar or cargo or anything like that. Originally by: Polly Prissypantz The skill is still worth having, at least at level 1. It's a royal pain in the ass to keep having to physically be in location to start a job. Same with manufacturing and buying/selling remotely. If you do any of this, freeing yourself up from having to always physically be there to get anything done is unbelievably useful (unless you're an alt and never actually leave the system). Yep, even though you don't 'have' to have it, it's still very useful to have, saving you the undock/travel to POS time.

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