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Van Halen
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Posted - 2004.06.23 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: Van Halen on 23/06/2004 04:23:34
From what i've seen a mega cant even do close range as good ne more, raven just owns everythin now, and apoc and tempest can tank better and can outcap it raven is just completely uber, is there ne way a mega can at least do its job ne more as the close range ganker
2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage. |
Van Halen
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Posted - 2004.06.23 04:07:00 -
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sry bout spelling, i am not the worlds neatest typer as u can alrdy tell
2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage. |
Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.06.23 04:08:00 -
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Megat is far from obsolete. 
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Van Halen
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Posted - 2004.06.23 04:09:00 -
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lol man lans u must be starin at the forums to reply that fast..... i kno there are a few set ups that make it good but unless u kno how to use it very well ur just wastin ur time.
2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage. |
Darken Two
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Posted - 2004.06.23 05:45:00 -
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Megathron is far from obsolete, but you need quite from skills to make it an effective ship but once you have the skills, they are very very good. Even with the new tracking changes, my blasterthron is hitting everything very well all the way from 20km to 0m. You just need a real investment in skills to make it effective.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Subedai
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Posted - 2004.06.23 05:49:00 -
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I still see corpm8s in megas doing wrecking hits from 600-1200 damage. I wouldnt say thats obsolete, just move about 10-15km further from the ranges your used to and blasters will hit. 10-40km is their effective range now.
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number 258
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Posted - 2004.06.24 10:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Subedai
I still see corpm8s in megas doing wrecking hits from 600-1200 damage. I wouldnt say thats obsolete, just move about 10-15km further from the ranges your used to and blasters will hit. 10-40km is their effective range now.
holy crap!! is this right?! i have to try this
long live the Taranis!!!
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TGIF
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Posted - 2004.06.24 10:28:00 -
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Thats why dalman pwned 2 guys in 1vs2 yesterday in his megathron, your just horrible at fitting it properly.
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Hornymatt
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Posted - 2004.06.24 10:52:00 -
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Don't think that the 'Thron is ready for the scrapheap yet, but made need to adapt fighting technique - i engage NPC's at range.
I started to experiment again with large guns to see for myself how the do after latest patch (initially used named 250 rails for agent missions with irridium @ 60km which worked well though admittedly no ship bonuses). On a stationery target the 425's were giving me consistent hits in the mid 200s at 100km using irridium. Switching to anti matter at 75 km (roughly my otpimal plus fall off) was getting more erratic results, varying from misses to wrecking 900+.
Most of my relevant skills are at level 4 and i had 2 tech2 weapons mods and 2 tech2 tracking enhancers fitted.
It also mines well
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.06.24 11:37:00 -
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Megathrons are still very good. The only lvl 2 bs that seems underpowered at the moment is the tempest.
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Naru Kraurr
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Posted - 2004.06.24 11:41:00 -
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Mega is far from obsolete. If one of those gets close to ya, your in serious trouble if you're not a tank.
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Jet Max
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Posted - 2004.06.24 12:00:00 -
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This is the reason i started whining about Megathron every day now:
"Megathron is still ok ship"
"You need to fitt it properly"
"Mega is good very good ship,but you need invest in skills" and so on!
RAVEN PILOTS DONT NEED ALL THIS!!! Raven just gona spam you with missiles AND THATS IT! Raven is good in 1v1, Raven is good in fleet battles! Raven is very good in EW! Basicaly Raven is good in everything.
I and rest of the Mega pilots dont need this "you need to know how to fitt Mgeathron" crap.Why raven pilots dun need to know how to fitt raven? Its not too hard to load Torps and Cruise is it?
When someones [like me] starts whining about Megathron people start answering "i use this setup for NPC'ing which is very good"! every ship is good in NPC'ing!
Never saw the post like "I in my Megathron engaged in 1v1 against enemy BS and i whoooped his ass with this setup"
Conclusion: Megathron is crap.[and i am very upset,as Mega the only ship i can fly atm]
Sorry for another whining session, if you had enough of me feel free to shoot and pod me, as i starting not to care anymore.
Thank you
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.06.24 12:46:00 -
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The grass is always greener on the other side. 
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Hornymatt
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Posted - 2004.06.24 12:51:00 -
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Can't see the 'thron as "crap" although admittedly i don't PvP and understand the dynamics of that are different. Got a Tempest with skill ot level 5 and large projectiles at 5 and can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo in that. Have a mind to go npc-ing soon for lower grade npc bs's and am almost sure to take the megathron as i now feel happier in that combat wise.
Sorry if this is completely irrelevant re PvP as opposed to EvP but i feel loyal to my 'thron as it was my first bs (albeit now on its 4th incarnation). Have no skills in Caldai nor Amarr bs so am unable to make any comparisions there.
Just my 2 cents worth (and purely subjective)
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Ph0enix
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Posted - 2004.06.24 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jet Max
This is the reason i started whining about Megathron every day now:
"Megathron is still ok ship"
"You need to fitt it properly"
"Mega is good very good ship,but you need invest in skills" and so on!
RAVEN PILOTS DONT NEED ALL THIS!!! Raven just gona spam you with missiles AND THATS IT! Raven is good in 1v1, Raven is good in fleet battles! Raven is very good in EW! Basicaly Raven is good in everything.
I and rest of the Mega pilots dont need this "you need to know how to fitt Mgeathron" crap.Why raven pilots dun need to know how to fitt raven? Its not too hard to load Torps and Cruise is it?
When someones [like me] starts whining about Megathron people start answering "i use this setup for NPC'ing which is very good"! every ship is good in NPC'ing!
Never saw the post like "I in my Megathron engaged in 1v1 against enemy BS and i whoooped his ass with this setup"
Conclusion: Megathron is crap.[and i am very upset,as Mega the only ship i can fly atm]
Sorry for another whining session, if you had enough of me feel free to shoot and pod me, as i starting not to care anymore.
Thank you
Oh sorry, yes the Megathron is crap because you can't throw modules at it and expect it to kill everything...
With latest changes you have to equip your Megathron differently to be effective.
So stop moaning and ADAPT.
NOTE: Megathron is a lethal PvP ship, excellent miner and quality NPCing ship. Period.
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.06.24 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Hellek on 24/06/2004 14:39:45
A megathron can deal an insane amount of damage and still tank quite okay (i.e. just mount 6-7 425mm rails which deal more damage than the same amount of tachyon beams but are a lot easier to fit and have 20% more range, besides that use a lot less cap). Then you have your really large drone bay, a tracking bonus in addition to the damage bonus, can also use blasters, and, and, and.
So its definately not obsolete, in many situations its actually more powerful than an Apoc.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.06.24 14:42:00 -
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Ravens can do everything, eh?
Except fight at range (enemy leaves), resource (four turrets), fight economically (I throw away half a million in torps during every BS fight), the list goes on. If I hear one more witless dolt complaining that the Raven is uber because you didn't fit your ship to take one on, I will do something violent.
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.06.24 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Hellek on 24/06/2004 14:46:59
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Ravens can do everything, eh?
Except fight at range (enemy leaves), resource (four turrets), fight economically (I **** away half a million in torps during every BS fight), the list goes on. If I hear one more witless dolt complaining that the Raven is uber because you didn't fit your ship to take one on, I will do something violent.
1.) fighting at range: your fault if you don't scramble the target. If I fight a target at range with guns, it also warps out if it sees it would loose. Same if it fights a raven. If you aren't scrambling it, forcing the target to warp out = win, there is nothing more you can get. So what's your problem with that?
2.) mining: its only real drawback but BS aren't supposed to be miners anyway. CCP should urgently bring in dedicated mining industrials class ships.
3.) fighting economically: cruises are very cheap now
and now advantages:
1.) can tank and deal a huge load of damage
2.) no tracking issues
and those two advantages are HUGE advantages, but besides that, we have:
3.) many medslots => more capable of EW than any other BS except scorp (Which is caldari as well, if you can fly ravens, you can fly scorps)
Don't want to call you a whiner, its okay to present your views, but I really heavily disagree with them.
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qtip
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Posted - 2004.06.24 14:55:00 -
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heres my view of the blasterthron:
+ good ship for npcing, mining and pvp
+ very high damage dealing
+ imho best-looking ship in game:>
- relys on capboosters, not everyones cup of tea
to get those supplied constatly
- mediocre tank due to crappy cap-situation
- recent mwd/sigradius-nerf, have still to check
out how bad it really is
- not very versatile. other ships can vary ranges,
useless in fleetbattles. imho its only usefull
in smallscale scirmishes, but also not in every
situation.
- vulnerable to jamming (yes many ships are)
- after the patch my blasters hit best between
10-20 km, thats outside webbing/scrambling
range, also your opponent may hit better there
(i hope they fix it)
o requires lotsa skill points both for fitting and
blasters, some other ships dont require as much
to be effective
a blastermega is far from useless, its the best
pvp-ship in certain situations, in other
situations it cant to anything, and there are far
more versatile ships, thats the reason i dont fly
them anymore. it also requires some practice and
instinct to pilot it effectivly.
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Raven Norsca
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Posted - 2004.06.24 15:02:00 -
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Van. I got Jumped at a gate by a blasterthron while in my Raven. the fight started at around 15k I hurled Cruise missiles he fired blasters
THe out come. It was a tight fight and overall it was a draw. he ran first but I was trying to get away earlier. the webbing made his hits constant and my ROF was to low to really put up with it
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.06.24 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Van Halen
lol man lans u must be starin at the forums to reply that fast..... i kno there are a few set ups that make it good but unless u kno how to use it very well ur just wastin ur time.
This holds true for any battleship, however for a blasterthron failure is much more likely to result in death.
Oh and about the 10-40km effective range, that's neutrons, IONs and electrons behave a lot more blaster like with excellent hits right up to hugging range if you know what you're doing. ;)
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.06.24 16:18:00 -
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Don't you just love it when people use fancy words but can't spell 'em.
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Squirrel
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Posted - 2004.06.24 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: Squirrel on 24/06/2004 16:25:15
another whinning post about blasterthrons... w00t
So lets see the arguement this time shall we?
1) you need a good setup to do well?
wth? obviously u do, its not like a bad setup on anything else is gonna be uber
2) you need a large investment of skills... wow.. try flying a tempest..
also i have actually spent alot of my sp lately training to be one of the few people with maxed thron skills... im finishing lvl 5 bs in 15 days and then all i have left is drone interfacing 5.. but thats not the point.. even with mediocre skills and counting that your not as retarded say, as the original poster you should be able to without a doubt obliterate anything short of a torp spamming raven. I agree that blasterthrons r having difficulty with them to some degree, but with near maxed skills i dont find them to be very challenging at all...sure i might take a bit of hull dmg but hell, i won, hull is repairable... i guess what im trying to say is dont fly blasterthrons if you have no balls k?
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Jakal
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Posted - 2004.06.24 17:25:00 -
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Ph33r t3h bL4st3rthr0n with modal blasters
-Adapt and Overcome.
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.06.24 17:40:00 -
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and don't forget that 425mm rails are also a nice gun. nobody forces you to use blasters ...
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Squirrel
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Posted - 2004.06.24 21:35:00 -
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yes hellek... they are very nice guns.. especially with maxed gunnery skills and bs 4
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archangel sean
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Posted - 2004.06.25 02:12:00 -
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Edited by: archangel sean on 25/06/2004 02:13:56
Originally by: Lansfear
Megat is far from obsolete.
He's right. No need to say more, but just fyi, I've pawned two scorps
and a raven this week with the blasterthron setup, which is anti-ecm
as well as armor tanked.
Tank or no, run if you see a decent pilot in a megathron, cos once you're
under 7.5k, you can't.
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TGIF
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Posted - 2004.06.25 09:16:00 -
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Why complain about missles when you can fit 6x 425mm and 2x tech2 smartbomb?
Put these on with a little delay and blow up most of those missles.
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2004.06.25 09:22:00 -
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It's just something about being effective at about any range, with any damage type, with a super powerful weapon that sorta teeters on the side of overpowered with the raven... With the new missle bonuses, missles are even stronger than before, and the raven is tossing a lot of them out at you no matter what range you are at...
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Jet Max
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Posted - 2004.06.25 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nybbas
With the new missle bonuses, missles are even stronger than before, and the raven is tossing a lot of them out at you no matter what range you are at...
Well... Nybbas just made my day! now cmon you lots "you need to know how to fitt Megathron" beat that quote above!
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