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Van Halen
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Posted - 2004.06.23 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: Van Halen on 23/06/2004 04:23:34
From what i've seen a mega cant even do close range as good ne more, raven just owns everythin now, and apoc and tempest can tank better and can outcap it raven is just completely uber, is there ne way a mega can at least do its job ne more as the close range ganker
2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage. |
Van Halen
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Posted - 2004.06.23 04:07:00 -
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sry bout spelling, i am not the worlds neatest typer as u can alrdy tell
2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage. |
Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.06.23 04:08:00 -
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Megat is far from obsolete. 
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Van Halen
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Posted - 2004.06.23 04:09:00 -
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lol man lans u must be starin at the forums to reply that fast..... i kno there are a few set ups that make it good but unless u kno how to use it very well ur just wastin ur time.
2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage. |
Darken Two
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Posted - 2004.06.23 05:45:00 -
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Megathron is far from obsolete, but you need quite from skills to make it an effective ship but once you have the skills, they are very very good. Even with the new tracking changes, my blasterthron is hitting everything very well all the way from 20km to 0m. You just need a real investment in skills to make it effective.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Subedai
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Posted - 2004.06.23 05:49:00 -
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I still see corpm8s in megas doing wrecking hits from 600-1200 damage. I wouldnt say thats obsolete, just move about 10-15km further from the ranges your used to and blasters will hit. 10-40km is their effective range now.
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number 258
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Posted - 2004.06.24 10:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Subedai
I still see corpm8s in megas doing wrecking hits from 600-1200 damage. I wouldnt say thats obsolete, just move about 10-15km further from the ranges your used to and blasters will hit. 10-40km is their effective range now.
holy crap!! is this right?! i have to try this
long live the Taranis!!!
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TGIF
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Posted - 2004.06.24 10:28:00 -
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Thats why dalman pwned 2 guys in 1vs2 yesterday in his megathron, your just horrible at fitting it properly.
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Hornymatt
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Posted - 2004.06.24 10:52:00 -
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Don't think that the 'Thron is ready for the scrapheap yet, but made need to adapt fighting technique - i engage NPC's at range.
I started to experiment again with large guns to see for myself how the do after latest patch (initially used named 250 rails for agent missions with irridium @ 60km which worked well though admittedly no ship bonuses). On a stationery target the 425's were giving me consistent hits in the mid 200s at 100km using irridium. Switching to anti matter at 75 km (roughly my otpimal plus fall off) was getting more erratic results, varying from misses to wrecking 900+.
Most of my relevant skills are at level 4 and i had 2 tech2 weapons mods and 2 tech2 tracking enhancers fitted.
It also mines well
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.06.24 11:37:00 -
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Megathrons are still very good. The only lvl 2 bs that seems underpowered at the moment is the tempest.
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Naru Kraurr
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Posted - 2004.06.24 11:41:00 -
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Mega is far from obsolete. If one of those gets close to ya, your in serious trouble if you're not a tank.
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Jet Max
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Posted - 2004.06.24 12:00:00 -
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This is the reason i started whining about Megathron every day now:
"Megathron is still ok ship"
"You need to fitt it properly"
"Mega is good very good ship,but you need invest in skills" and so on!
RAVEN PILOTS DONT NEED ALL THIS!!! Raven just gona spam you with missiles AND THATS IT! Raven is good in 1v1, Raven is good in fleet battles! Raven is very good in EW! Basicaly Raven is good in everything.
I and rest of the Mega pilots dont need this "you need to know how to fitt Mgeathron" crap.Why raven pilots dun need to know how to fitt raven? Its not too hard to load Torps and Cruise is it?
When someones [like me] starts whining about Megathron people start answering "i use this setup for NPC'ing which is very good"! every ship is good in NPC'ing!
Never saw the post like "I in my Megathron engaged in 1v1 against enemy BS and i whoooped his ass with this setup"
Conclusion: Megathron is crap.[and i am very upset,as Mega the only ship i can fly atm]
Sorry for another whining session, if you had enough of me feel free to shoot and pod me, as i starting not to care anymore.
Thank you
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.06.24 12:46:00 -
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The grass is always greener on the other side. 
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Hornymatt
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Posted - 2004.06.24 12:51:00 -
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Can't see the 'thron as "crap" although admittedly i don't PvP and understand the dynamics of that are different. Got a Tempest with skill ot level 5 and large projectiles at 5 and can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo in that. Have a mind to go npc-ing soon for lower grade npc bs's and am almost sure to take the megathron as i now feel happier in that combat wise.
Sorry if this is completely irrelevant re PvP as opposed to EvP but i feel loyal to my 'thron as it was my first bs (albeit now on its 4th incarnation). Have no skills in Caldai nor Amarr bs so am unable to make any comparisions there.
Just my 2 cents worth (and purely subjective)
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Ph0enix
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Posted - 2004.06.24 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jet Max
This is the reason i started whining about Megathron every day now:
"Megathron is still ok ship"
"You need to fitt it properly"
"Mega is good very good ship,but you need invest in skills" and so on!
RAVEN PILOTS DONT NEED ALL THIS!!! Raven just gona spam you with missiles AND THATS IT! Raven is good in 1v1, Raven is good in fleet battles! Raven is very good in EW! Basicaly Raven is good in everything.
I and rest of the Mega pilots dont need this "you need to know how to fitt Mgeathron" crap.Why raven pilots dun need to know how to fitt raven? Its not too hard to load Torps and Cruise is it?
When someones [like me] starts whining about Megathron people start answering "i use this setup for NPC'ing which is very good"! every ship is good in NPC'ing!
Never saw the post like "I in my Megathron engaged in 1v1 against enemy BS and i whoooped his ass with this setup"
Conclusion: Megathron is crap.[and i am very upset,as Mega the only ship i can fly atm]
Sorry for another whining session, if you had enough of me feel free to shoot and pod me, as i starting not to care anymore.
Thank you
Oh sorry, yes the Megathron is crap because you can't throw modules at it and expect it to kill everything...
With latest changes you have to equip your Megathron differently to be effective.
So stop moaning and ADAPT.
NOTE: Megathron is a lethal PvP ship, excellent miner and quality NPCing ship. Period.
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.06.24 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Hellek on 24/06/2004 14:39:45
A megathron can deal an insane amount of damage and still tank quite okay (i.e. just mount 6-7 425mm rails which deal more damage than the same amount of tachyon beams but are a lot easier to fit and have 20% more range, besides that use a lot less cap). Then you have your really large drone bay, a tracking bonus in addition to the damage bonus, can also use blasters, and, and, and.
So its definately not obsolete, in many situations its actually more powerful than an Apoc.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.06.24 14:42:00 -
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Ravens can do everything, eh?
Except fight at range (enemy leaves), resource (four turrets), fight economically (I throw away half a million in torps during every BS fight), the list goes on. If I hear one more witless dolt complaining that the Raven is uber because you didn't fit your ship to take one on, I will do something violent.
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.06.24 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Hellek on 24/06/2004 14:46:59
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Ravens can do everything, eh?
Except fight at range (enemy leaves), resource (four turrets), fight economically (I **** away half a million in torps during every BS fight), the list goes on. If I hear one more witless dolt complaining that the Raven is uber because you didn't fit your ship to take one on, I will do something violent.
1.) fighting at range: your fault if you don't scramble the target. If I fight a target at range with guns, it also warps out if it sees it would loose. Same if it fights a raven. If you aren't scrambling it, forcing the target to warp out = win, there is nothing more you can get. So what's your problem with that?
2.) mining: its only real drawback but BS aren't supposed to be miners anyway. CCP should urgently bring in dedicated mining industrials class ships.
3.) fighting economically: cruises are very cheap now
and now advantages:
1.) can tank and deal a huge load of damage
2.) no tracking issues
and those two advantages are HUGE advantages, but besides that, we have:
3.) many medslots => more capable of EW than any other BS except scorp (Which is caldari as well, if you can fly ravens, you can fly scorps)
Don't want to call you a whiner, its okay to present your views, but I really heavily disagree with them.
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qtip
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Posted - 2004.06.24 14:55:00 -
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heres my view of the blasterthron:
+ good ship for npcing, mining and pvp
+ very high damage dealing
+ imho best-looking ship in game:>
- relys on capboosters, not everyones cup of tea
to get those supplied constatly
- mediocre tank due to crappy cap-situation
- recent mwd/sigradius-nerf, have still to check
out how bad it really is
- not very versatile. other ships can vary ranges,
useless in fleetbattles. imho its only usefull
in smallscale scirmishes, but also not in every
situation.
- vulnerable to jamming (yes many ships are)
- after the patch my blasters hit best between
10-20 km, thats outside webbing/scrambling
range, also your opponent may hit better there
(i hope they fix it)
o requires lotsa skill points both for fitting and
blasters, some other ships dont require as much
to be effective
a blastermega is far from useless, its the best
pvp-ship in certain situations, in other
situations it cant to anything, and there are far
more versatile ships, thats the reason i dont fly
them anymore. it also requires some practice and
instinct to pilot it effectivly.
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Raven Norsca
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Posted - 2004.06.24 15:02:00 -
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Van. I got Jumped at a gate by a blasterthron while in my Raven. the fight started at around 15k I hurled Cruise missiles he fired blasters
THe out come. It was a tight fight and overall it was a draw. he ran first but I was trying to get away earlier. the webbing made his hits constant and my ROF was to low to really put up with it
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.06.24 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Van Halen
lol man lans u must be starin at the forums to reply that fast..... i kno there are a few set ups that make it good but unless u kno how to use it very well ur just wastin ur time.
This holds true for any battleship, however for a blasterthron failure is much more likely to result in death.
Oh and about the 10-40km effective range, that's neutrons, IONs and electrons behave a lot more blaster like with excellent hits right up to hugging range if you know what you're doing. ;)
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.06.24 16:18:00 -
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Don't you just love it when people use fancy words but can't spell 'em.
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Squirrel
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Posted - 2004.06.24 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: Squirrel on 24/06/2004 16:25:15
another whinning post about blasterthrons... w00t
So lets see the arguement this time shall we?
1) you need a good setup to do well?
wth? obviously u do, its not like a bad setup on anything else is gonna be uber
2) you need a large investment of skills... wow.. try flying a tempest..
also i have actually spent alot of my sp lately training to be one of the few people with maxed thron skills... im finishing lvl 5 bs in 15 days and then all i have left is drone interfacing 5.. but thats not the point.. even with mediocre skills and counting that your not as retarded say, as the original poster you should be able to without a doubt obliterate anything short of a torp spamming raven. I agree that blasterthrons r having difficulty with them to some degree, but with near maxed skills i dont find them to be very challenging at all...sure i might take a bit of hull dmg but hell, i won, hull is repairable... i guess what im trying to say is dont fly blasterthrons if you have no balls k?
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Jakal
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Posted - 2004.06.24 17:25:00 -
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Ph33r t3h bL4st3rthr0n with modal blasters
-Adapt and Overcome.
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.06.24 17:40:00 -
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and don't forget that 425mm rails are also a nice gun. nobody forces you to use blasters ...
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Squirrel
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Posted - 2004.06.24 21:35:00 -
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yes hellek... they are very nice guns.. especially with maxed gunnery skills and bs 4
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archangel sean
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Posted - 2004.06.25 02:12:00 -
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Edited by: archangel sean on 25/06/2004 02:13:56
Originally by: Lansfear
Megat is far from obsolete.
He's right. No need to say more, but just fyi, I've pawned two scorps
and a raven this week with the blasterthron setup, which is anti-ecm
as well as armor tanked.
Tank or no, run if you see a decent pilot in a megathron, cos once you're
under 7.5k, you can't.
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TGIF
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Posted - 2004.06.25 09:16:00 -
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Why complain about missles when you can fit 6x 425mm and 2x tech2 smartbomb?
Put these on with a little delay and blow up most of those missles.
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2004.06.25 09:22:00 -
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It's just something about being effective at about any range, with any damage type, with a super powerful weapon that sorta teeters on the side of overpowered with the raven... With the new missle bonuses, missles are even stronger than before, and the raven is tossing a lot of them out at you no matter what range you are at...
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Jet Max
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Posted - 2004.06.25 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nybbas
With the new missle bonuses, missles are even stronger than before, and the raven is tossing a lot of them out at you no matter what range you are at...
Well... Nybbas just made my day! now cmon you lots "you need to know how to fitt Megathron" beat that quote above!
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Cantari
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Posted - 2004.06.25 20:04:00 -
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I must say that I have NEVER used the Megathron as a blaster ship, i have mid range skills atm and only use 425's, tachy's 1400's and missiles. The 425's (fitted with antimatter) coupled with a tracking (a nice named of tech 2 one should do) can obliterate any thing from 45-10kms with wrecking hits of between 400 and 600. The 1400 kills any thing out to around 100kms depending on ammo and the laser also kills mostly anything.
Make sure you have a web for close in targets and let loose the ten ogres in ya hold. A anti ecm mod (again tech 2 or a good named one) and you cant be scrambled as easily. also fit it with two seige launchers and return the rave's favor of missile spamming and BINGO you have your self a very powerful very versatile ship that is as powerful as a raven, apoc or tempest.
Just play around with different set ups guys, you cant expect to win if you only go for close range when you know ya up against a raven or a tempest.
Any way i have to go kill stuff
Cantari 
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Novo DuPont
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Posted - 2004.06.25 21:27:00 -
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Speaking as one who Does both PvP and Rat Hunting in a Megathron for over 9 Months now I can say this. It all boils down to skills and the right devices.
A person who fits a Mega to shield tank with blasters is a fool. Also anyone who uses Blasters and no mwd is a fool as well.
The Mega and Apoc are practically equal when it come to armor tanking since blasters do more damage to make up for the loss in cap size for the use of a MWD. Plus you have 4 extra drones to play with and better structure.
On the rails side you also have the advantage on a Apoc if you stay at 60 KM mark using Thorium or Lead ammo. At that range Lasers use crystals that are doing practicaly all EM damage which is not that effective on armor. All Hybrid ammo still does therm and kinetic damage at that range. A Mega armed with 6 rails and 2 siege launchers with explosive cruise or Torps has a better advantage over a Apoc with 6 Tach beams and 2 Siege launcher with explosive cruise or torps.
As far as Ravens go 6 Rails with 2 Rocket launchers loaded with defenders will make it practically non effective, unless the Raven is shooting Light Missiles at you :P
Scorps are still the hard ones, but 2 ECCM Projectors, One MWD, One Warp Disruptor, 2 Tech II ECCM in low slot and 4 Blasters and 4 Med Smart bombs will take care of them. Just stay at 5 KM and let their own torps damage them :)
That or same setup as above but with 6 rails and 2 rocket launchers with defenders and take one low slot eccm and put in a damage mod.
The reason for rocket launchers with defenders is that you can take out all 6 launched missiles/torps from a raven AND reload, if needed, by the time the next wave is launched :)
For Tempest just use 2 to 3 Turret Dirruptors and you will see very few hits :)
So Megathron with blasters or rails is a VERY potent ship. The ONLY down side is the fact that you really need to know what you are fighting before hand.
Of course another good tactic is using low slot sensor boosters and med slot ECM's. Most people don't expect that in a Mega and it sure surprizes the crap out of Scorp pilots when they get jammed by a Mega
"To succeed greatly one must sacrifice greatly"
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.06.26 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 26/06/2004 00:19:12
Serously, this thread is filled with bull****.
After the patch I've only seen 5 enemy ravens.
3 of them has died.
2 of them has ran (not setup for PvP though, needs to be pointed out).
My character is trained for 2 things, and 2 things only: To be a top Raven pilot and to be a top megathron pilot.
And I tell you, the megathron is far from obsolete. (and yes, I've got caldari BS lvl 5 and 6 siege arbalest launchers, but fly my megathron more often than my raven)
Learn how to fit it and use it instead
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Winnux
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Posted - 2004.06.26 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Winnux on 26/06/2004 10:38:43
As long as peeps who think bs level 2 is enough to fly a bs, we'll be having these posts.
5mill skillpoints and still not good enough for Megathrons. Sure I've been flying one for 2 months now, but I still need to choose my fights.
I'm rigged for certain ships and that's what i go for. Raven can do the damage but it sure can't hold me if I find that the battle is not going the way I want it to go.
Anyway, I believe that following skills are absolute minimum to even fit a mega properly:
- weapon ups 5
- Engineering 5
- Electronics 5
- Drones 5
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- Other skills at 4
-- Gallante BS
-- Large Hybrids
-- Navigation skills
-- Gunnery skills
-- mechanic skills
If you don't have the skills, go with 425's. If you got the balls and the skills, then blasters sure as hell is a nice way to go. And remember, it's not because raven is the flavour of the month, that anyone is a good pilot in em. You'll be amazed how many ****ty fitted ships fly out there.
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2004.06.26 14:07:00 -
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I fly a raven and a megathron, tbh is e far too many comparing both ships, and expecting to tackle a raven in a mga at short range is tbh quite silly, mega may tear other ships apart but a raven owns as well for short to mid ranges, if you want a mega to tackle a raven seriously you'll be needing range as your friend and some defenders or smartbombs, and as many 425's as you can get.
Its all about setups/skills and tacklng the right ship in the right way, what works for one ship does NOT work for them all.
Megas far from useless ;)
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.06.26 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Xtro 2
I fly a raven and a megathron, tbh is e far too many comparing both ships, and expecting to tackle a raven in a mga at short range is tbh quite silly, mega may tear other ships apart but a raven owns as well for short to mid ranges, if you want a mega to tackle a raven seriously you'll be needing range as your friend and some defenders or smartbombs, and as many 425's as you can get.
Its all about setups/skills and tacklng the right ship in the right way, what works for one ship does NOT work for them all.
Megas far from useless ;)
sorry man im rdy to take down your raven 1-1 at any time in my short range mega.
Btw im rdy to take on any ship short range, unless for jamming ships.
Wasnt so sure till now, but fought little more and gained confidence
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.06.26 23:16:00 -
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Yup, Mega's far from obsolete. One jumped me the other day, fight began at 10kms (a real 1on1) and that beast teared through my shields pretty fast as my ship wasn't just setup for tanking/damage dealing, there are always other things to consider. Well the story was, I had to bail out although I have good engineering skills and a proper shield tank, loading from Cruise to Torps took way too long and that guy knew what he was doing, he didn't use his drones and had a smartbomb which probably took out a third of my missles.
Got him later tho, when he was unsuspecting, hunting npcs
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Zenst
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Posted - 2004.06.26 23:28:00 -
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Well I've been using one to solo any spawn in 0.0 space sofar, best being 3BS cruiser/frig spawn that repawned straight afterwards without a fear of running out of cap and thats without any extra tracking mods and using large guns. So'd I think I'll just agree to disagree that the mega as closerange has lost its day, The MWD issues I'll not argue but with cloacking now in and also the ability to warp to gang mates who can decloack at the sweet spot for you or even go covertly make a bookmark, well the MWD issue is getting less so. ANyhow for PVP you are admititly looking at a cap booster with 800 charges abound to have the same competative edge if your going to MWD around and web and scramble and be able to have cap to kill left or playing warp around the system a few times to get withthin 30km close enough to get up personal. But hey its a balance and were it realy does help to have navigation and acceleration control trained and those all useful enginering skills. I've always found a heavy nosferatus to be effective, ever since the came into the game and even before with the small named ones, given the right skill levels as a handy cap compensator and no tracking issues - yet :D.
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Alpha Prime
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Posted - 2004.06.27 00:37:00 -
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Megathrons RULES !!
But dont tell TomB, or heŠll nerf them to .
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Dreez
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Posted - 2004.06.27 00:42:00 -
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Quote:
My character is trained for 2 things, and 2 things only: To be a top Raven pilot and to be a top megathron pilot. - Dalman
Does that "top notch" Raven setup come with 5 WCS ?
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.06.27 00:46:00 -
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Jeez, Dreez.
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Levin Cavil
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Posted - 2004.06.27 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Van Halen
i kno there are a few set ups that make it good but unless u kno how to use it very well ur just wastin ur time.
Isn't that how its suppoed to work? You can't just train gallente BS to level 2 and large hybrid to 1 fill up on guns and go kill stuff. That wouldn't be any fun for anyone, try experimenting with the ship, work out a setup that takes advantage of the ships strong points, if you can't do that go play Mario.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.06.27 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
Quote:
My character is trained for 2 things, and 2 things only: To be a top Raven pilot and to be a top megathron pilot. - Dalman
Does that "top notch" Raven setup come with 5 WCS ?
Lol
Why didn't I see that comming?
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Dreez
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Posted - 2004.06.28 00:25:00 -
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I meen no disrespect Dalman, i know youŠre a good fighter -
but anyone carrying enough WCS on a Raven to escape a scramblingstrength of 5 deserves to be... hacked on for a while .
Congrats on Iceman btw, dude made a misstake .
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.06.28 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 28/06/2004 08:50:20
hmmm.. there's some things i don't understand.
I did'nt played for 6 months and now i turned back ( so sorry if my question souns too stupid), but i'm unable to find a decent setup. ( yep.. even the same problem )
I read many examples for "post patch" setup and my conclusion was that to make an effective Megathron it need to be fitted with blasters and must be armour tanked. So i tried:
Hi:
6X ion Blasters, ( remainig i will put heavy nosferatu)
Med:
1x MWD,
3x Cap rechargers
Low:
1x Large armour repairer,
1x Exposion hardener
1x Kinetic hardener
2x Warp stabilizer
2x PDU
I have gallente BS 5 so i saved one low slot, avoiding to put a damage mod) and did'nt put any webber or scrambler, but ANYWAY i'm unable to use MWD to reach someone 70 KM far ( i come there but without cap). This tests was made turning on only MWD ( ar-repairer and hardeners off). So my conlusion was: How the hell fight withour cap? O_o
( I have all energetic skill to 5, to max my cap and recharging rate, also gun cap usage has been minimed, theres no way to save cap with skills)
How the hell most of u talk to put webber and/OR dammage mod?
It could be effective if u warp near your opponent, but if u are at 60 > Km, all long range ships will shout u down without any chance, and no one is so stupid to stay near a Blastertron.
Last time i did some tests, i tried a 1 vs 1 against one my corp mate ( typhoon with one MWD).
Conclusions:
Not any chance to reach him :/
I tryed putting 2 MWD, and this way i can move 100 km in about 15 secs, but with a so nerfed cap, i will be able to shot down a tanked bs? i realy doubt that.
So can u explain what i'm missing? Blastertron is a deadly ship against stopped ship but battles are never dane this way.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.06.28 09:54:00 -
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You ain't missing anything, 60km is not short range, if a short range ship would be able to engage from that far out long range would be pointless. Max engagement range is less then 45km. And short range ain't as hot as some people make it out to be, you're lethal but at a very high price.
Bit of advice, drop the 3x rechargers and get a cap injector in there. It means you'll need resupply'ing a lot, but if you watch how you use them ( only when you really really need em and your capacitor is at 10% or so ) they're worth a lot more then 3x rechargers and it frees up 2 med slots. Might have to replace some ions with electrons though, anyway try it out
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.06.28 10:22:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Gariuys
You ain't missing anything, 60km is not short range, if a short range ship would be able to engage from that far out long range would be pointless. Max engagement range is less then 45km. And short range ain't as hot as some people make it out to be, you're lethal but at a very high price.
Bit of advice, drop the 3x rechargers and get a cap injector in there. It means you'll need resupply'ing a lot, but if you watch how you use them ( only when you really really need em and your capacitor is at 10% or so ) they're worth a lot more then 3x rechargers and it frees up 2 med slots. Might have to replace some ions with electrons though, anyway try it out
First off all: many tnx for your answer. :)
So conclusion is: Blasterton is a viable fighter only if battle starts with ships pretty near each other, Otherwise ( no mather that u have a MWD ) it's better warp away ( or bookmark enemy ship, warp of and then warp back at 15km from enemy ).
Triing to use MWD to reach a Tempest 80 km far ( or any other long range BS ) using MWD is simply not possible.
correct?
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.06.28 11:18:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Originally by: Gariuys
You ain't missing anything, 60km is not short range, if a short range ship would be able to engage from that far out long range would be pointless. Max engagement range is less then 45km. And short range ain't as hot as some people make it out to be, you're lethal but at a very high price.
Bit of advice, drop the 3x rechargers and get a cap injector in there. It means you'll need resupply'ing a lot, but if you watch how you use them ( only when you really really need em and your capacitor is at 10% or so ) they're worth a lot more then 3x rechargers and it frees up 2 med slots. Might have to replace some ions with electrons though, anyway try it out
First off all: many tnx for your answer. :)
So conclusion is: Blasterton is a viable fighter only if battle starts with ships pretty near each other, Otherwise ( no mather that u have a MWD ) it's better warp away ( or bookmark enemy ship, warp of and then warp back at 15km from enemy ).
Triing to use MWD to reach a Tempest 80 km far ( or any other long range BS ) using MWD is simply not possible.
correct?
correct
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
dalman
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Posted - 2004.06.29 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
I meen no disrespect Dalman, i know youŠre a good fighter -
but anyone carrying enough WCS on a Raven to escape a scramblingstrength of 5 deserves to be... hacked on for a while .
Congrats on Iceman btw, dude made a misstake .
Hehe, I did have alot of stabs on... But I had 3 stabs and 2 relays. And they saved my ship, so ;)
Aye, Iceman (and the guys in cruisers/frigs) didn't realize I docked to switch my damagemods for ECCM ;D
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EB Xile
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Posted - 2004.06.30 07:19:00 -
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I've been reading this post and I'm starting to think that w/ my mediocre skills, I'm too much of a coward to fly a blasterthron. I was thinking about just kicking it @ long/medium range w/ rails and hoping to avoid missilespams w/ defenders. Tell me what you think.
High:
4x 425 rails
2x 350 rails
2x rocket launchers w/ defenders
Medium:
2x tracking computers
2x cap recharger II's
Lows:
2x wcs (like I said...coward)
1x thermic armor hardener
1x kinetic armor hardener
1x 1600 tungsten plates -OR- 1x explosive armor hardener
1x co-processor II
1x large named armor repairer (I use an "automated" one)
and yes I am somewhat of a noob, in case that answers any questions.
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.06.30 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: EB Xile
I've been reading this post and I'm starting to think that w/ my mediocre skills, I'm too much of a coward to fly a blasterthron. I was thinking about just kicking it @ long/medium range w/ rails and hoping to avoid missilespams w/ defenders. Tell me what you think.
High:
4x 425 rails
2x 350 rails
2x rocket launchers w/ defenders
Medium:
2x tracking computers
2x cap recharger II's
Lows:
2x wcs (like I said...coward)
1x thermic armor hardener
1x kinetic armor hardener
1x 1600 tungsten plates -OR- 1x explosive armor hardener
1x co-processor II
1x large named armor repairer (I use an "automated" one)
and yes I am somewhat of a noob, in case that answers any questions.
Check other post for some hints, anyway your fitting is realy crap. U need to recharge your cap fast else your guns will consume it all in few seconds, figures if u turn on AR-repairer.
Try to go in a belt, turn on your armour repairer (autorepeat mode) and fire with your 6 turrets against a rock and u will understand what i mean.
Read better previuos posts, u will find a lot of hints.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.06.30 07:58:00 -
[52]
Originally by: EB Xile
I've been reading this post and I'm starting to think that w/ my mediocre skills, I'm too much of a coward to fly a blasterthron. I was thinking about just kicking it @ long/medium range w/ rails and hoping to avoid missilespams w/ defenders. Tell me what you think.
High:
4x 425 rails
2x 350 rails
2x rocket launchers w/ defenders
Medium:
2x tracking computers
2x cap recharger II's
Lows:
2x wcs (like I said...coward)
1x thermic armor hardener
1x kinetic armor hardener
1x 1600 tungsten plates -OR- 1x explosive armor hardener
1x co-processor II
1x large named armor repairer (I use an "automated" one)
and yes I am somewhat of a noob, in case that answers any questions.
Try this one for a bit, and continue improving it. It's a lot better then what most people come up with. Field testing will have any flaws in this setup show up, so do that.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.06.30 08:02:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Gariuys on 30/06/2004 08:03:31
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Originally by: EB Xile
*snip*
Check other post for some hints, anyway your fitting is realy crap. U need to recharge your cap fast else your guns will consume it all in few seconds, figures if u turn on AR-repairer.
Try to go in a belt, turn on your armour repairer (autorepeat mode) and fire with your 6 turrets against a rock and u will understand what i mean.
Read better previuos posts, u will find a lot of hints.
It's not that bad. Several warp core stabilizers will have a serious impact on any setup. Well most anyway.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
EB Xile
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Posted - 2004.06.30 08:18:00 -
[54]
Edited by: EB Xile on 30/06/2004 08:20:03
I think Heelay may be right about the cap thing. I've taken out the plates and co-proc II and added 2 Capacitor power relays. We'll see how it goes.
***and sheesh, you guys are fast on the forums***
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.06.30 09:25:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 28/06/2004 08:50:20
hmmm.. there's some things i don't understand.
I did'nt played for 6 months and now i turned back ( so sorry if my question souns too stupid), but i'm unable to find a decent setup. ( yep.. even the same problem )
I read many examples for "post patch" setup and my conclusion was that to make an effective Megathron it need to be fitted with blasters and must be armour tanked. So i tried:
Hi:
6X ion Blasters, ( remainig i will put heavy nosferatu)
Med:
1x MWD,
3x Cap rechargers
Low:
1x Large armour repairer,
1x Exposion hardener
1x Kinetic hardener
2x Warp stabilizer
2x PDU
I have gallente BS 5 so i saved one low slot, avoiding to put a damage mod) and did'nt put any webber or scrambler, but ANYWAY i'm unable to use MWD to reach someone 70 KM far ( i come there but without cap). This tests was made turning on only MWD ( ar-repairer and hardeners off). So my conlusion was: How the hell fight withour cap? O_o
( I have all energetic skill to 5, to max my cap and recharging rate, also gun cap usage has been minimed, theres no way to save cap with skills)
How the hell most of u talk to put webber and/OR dammage mod?
It could be effective if u warp near your opponent, but if u are at 60 > Km, all long range ships will shout u down without any chance, and no one is so stupid to stay near a Blastertron.
Last time i did some tests, i tried a 1 vs 1 against one my corp mate ( typhoon with one MWD).
Conclusions:
Not any chance to reach him :/
I tryed putting 2 MWD, and this way i can move 100 km in about 15 secs, but with a so nerfed cap, i will be able to shot down a tanked bs? i realy doubt that.
So can u explain what i'm missing? Blastertron is a deadly ship against stopped ship but battles are never dane this way.
Your setup is quite good imho what i would change is add a hvy cap injector.Also be sure to add a thermic active hardener .Most guns deal thermal dmg so its important ( hybrid,lasers, projectiles depending on ammo)I also dont fit any wcs , i fit more offensive .defensive modules.For escape i rely on mwd and if webified ... well a pod is also nice
As for that you couldnt reach the Tempest, from my quite big expereience very very few poeple equip bs with mwd for battle.So its not such a problem.IF you fight gate skirmishes the distances are 30-5 km so its not a problem .And if you cant come near a 60 km away bs just warp out no problem ( too :) ) .
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