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2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:22:00 -
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/29/the-coming-war-on-used-games/
A nice article on the subject. It seems more likely that all next gen consoles will push to kill used game sales. PC has this problem already big time as does other platforms, Microsoft are going to go nuts with WIndows 8 and try yet again to sell us their **** that they could not do with Windows Vista (they also ran into legal problems that time.)
I find this amusing and crazy at the same time, even starting to feel that developers and publishers are being self entitled pricks much like Hollywood and the Music industry is.
I got sick of hearing their excuses of crippling my games due to "piracy" ages ago and now they are going to target legal right of the consumer that we have when it comes to anything else. I always laugh when reading EULA's knowing they are not a signed contract where I live and by law I can crack and copy even a console game under fair use.
So, no used sales anymore? I figured it would happen sooner or later but the model they will push I am sure will be option 2 as detailed in that article.
In any case, does anyone actually want to buy a next gen console in 1 to 2 years from now sporting hardware worse than what PC's have today for another 7 year generation of rehashed games with no better graphics than Crysis 1 on PC released in 2007???
When will they learn. I have a hard time believing any gaming designated console could work in a year from now.
So what are your thoughts? Looking forward to more DRM? Being unable to take a game over to a friend and play? Lend, rent or even resell your copies? Are we evil for expecting to own a product we purchase and is Gamestop killing the industry? |
2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:52:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Meh. I've never bothered to sell games and I've never trusted used games. I like my library. Best box on the shelf: X-COM: UFO Defense. Original floppies and all.
"I've never trusted used games"
This you will have to clarify  |
2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:09:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:2bhammered wrote:"I've never trusted used games" This you will have to clarify Stolen/fake license keys, outright forgeries, missing documentation, bad discs that I can't test til I get home...it's no fun buying something only to find out you didn't really buy it.
Well that is not the case with gamestop for instance, the law apply to your used copy purchased by stores like that just as if you would purchase a new copy. I can see it happening on places like ebay or craigslist but on ebay you got reputation,your credit card company can roll back the payment just as paypal can you are also covered by insurance. But I see what you mean when it comes to other places.
I do wonder, do you have similar difficulties buying other things used? From houses, cars, movies to other consumer products or do you tend to always buy new? Do you sell used stuff yourself at least?
Anyway, I can see not everyone being bothered by this. I know I wont be buying consoles anyway, but I do find it rather alarming or at least really weird that the Games industry is going to be and to a great extent already is the only exception to used sales and somehow people keep throwing out bullshit like "Somebody, please, think of the chi... developers" and wont do the same for anything else.
I suppose coupled with SOPA and things like that I do tend to wonder if the industry plan to sell more is by forcing us at gun point and not by making better products. |
2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:50:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Justa Altlol wrote:2bhammered wrote:A nice article on the subject. It seems more likely that all next gen consoles will push to kill used game sales. PC has this problem already big time as does other platforms, PC has a problem with used game sales? /facepalm OP has a point, used games for PC have almost disappeared over the last five years, DRM, limited install limits and digital distribution have steadily killed them off. Used games for platforms like Android/iOS and "casual" games simply don't exist. Used games on consoles have also become more problematic with things like online passes.
Exactly my point.
Justa must have misunderstood me.
Used sales are gone on the PC platform and one of the first things one noticed as a consumer many years ago was that stores would stop stocking PC games altogether. It stopped being profitable and if anything that with console market and PC MMORPGs and their payment model put a big dent into PC gaming. New salvation is Steam I suppose but that has issues as well and as awesome Valve is?! Origin is hell and we can only hope for the best when it comes to the future.
Without used games I doubt gamestops can survive, it is the majority of their profit. Also I can't help think how many sales will be lost when a normal person can't just walk into a store and pick up a video game for themselves or child. Not to mention that every single game you purchase will be just "licenses" and you will be stuck with them forever.
For those and many other reasons my instinct tells me it must all be some stupid rumor but I know better, the video-games industry is just as stupid if not more dumb than the music and movie industry. These CEO's, investors and companies are so stupid sometimes it makes you just want to drop your hobby.
Kinda like SOPA and similar bills and laws these businesses lobby for to help out their businesses and increase profits when anyone with half a brain can see that it would be the complete opposite.
I would not be surprised if all new consoles end up being worse than mini-disc, betamax or even HD-DVD. If they do fail wait for these execs to blame "pirates" |
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Posted - 2012.04.03 23:03:00 -
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Hey I would love for us all to game using cloud but I also know as consumer we are getting more and more screwed over. Not sure how it is for you guys but today music, movies and books are cheaper than ever before. Games however is not, but the opposite, we pay more today and get less value with a ton of restrictions in place treating us as filth. It is annoying enough to have to watch FBI warnings and ads about how pirating=stealing when you BOUGHT the ******* movie, but with games we get limited installs and at least 2 DRM sometimes 3 and we even get told that we don't own it and they are nice for letting us pay to rent at full price basically.
STEAM I use but it is also a bunch of bullshit, games over the years even to this day are being released broken and Valve customer support will tell you to like it. At least in the EU you can demand a refund and they will give it to you, problem is afterwards they ban you for life from their services even if you buy a new game because it has STEAM on it.
Gabe seems nice and they have gone on record saying that if they ever go under all games DRM will be removed, but obviously that is bullshit since each company behind a game has a right to deny them and breaking that would possibly land them in jail even if their business is gone.
In other news, anyone tried out gameOn? personal experience with it? Seems pretty cool from what I have seen, imagine a hardware user limit removed and all you depend on is screen, your internet connection and whatever controller input you prefer/need. I can't imagine how the market could change, for the better obviously, if all games were on one platform and that could be accessed on any device. |
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:41:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Stop trying to be clever, you are not. If you where really clever you would understand that its called operant conditioning. (Or possibly respondent conditioning, your description is crap) So much hate
Tyran likes to start fights over anything, don't mind him, he trolls every single forum there is. |
2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.04.10 12:36:00 -
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Sobach wrote:lol, people are still getting trolled by whitehound? I think it should be blatantly obvious at this point that he's not really interested in saying anything other than "I'M RIGHT AND UR WRONG LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA"
Go away troll! |
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Posted - 2012.04.10 12:43:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:2bhammered wrote:Whitehound wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Stop trying to be clever, you are not. If you where really clever you would understand that its called operant conditioning. (Or possibly respondent conditioning, your description is crap) So much hate Tyran likes to start fights over anything, don't mind him, he trolls every single forum there is. Thats unfair, I only troll stupid people or those that post stupid opinions. I argued with you in the Bioware threads because you where doing the 4chan zombie biodrone chant. But in this thread where you made a good point I supported it didnt I? I don't hold grudges over forum arguments either, that would be daft. I enjoy constructive discussion but I cant help it when people are stupid, its just to funny.
You do troll, you concede defeat every single time we argue. Last thread we argued in you just lied and posted troll pictures and left. This time you did not troll, right, yet you troll for 2 pages against this white dude.
In the future it would serve you better to have "constructive" arguments instead of argue for the sake of it. |
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