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2bhammered Perkone Caldari State 78	Posted - 2012.03.30 18:22:00 - [1] - Quote http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/29/the-coming-war-on-used-games/ A nice article on the subject. It seems more likely that all next gen consoles will push to kill used game sales. PC has this problem already big time as does other platforms, Microsoft are going to go nuts with WIndows 8 and try yet again to sell us their **** that they could not do with Windows Vista (they also ran into legal problems that time.) I find this amusing and crazy at the same time, even starting to feel that developers and publishers are being self entitled pricks much like Hollywood and the Music industry is. I got sick of hearing their excuses of crippling my games due to "piracy" ages ago and now they are going to target legal right of the consumer that we have when it comes to anything else. I always laugh when reading EULA's knowing they are not a signed contract where I live and by law I can crack and copy even a console game under fair use. So, no used sales anymore? I figured it would happen sooner or later but the model they will push I am sure will be option 2 as detailed in that article. In any case, does anyone actually want to buy a next gen console in 1 to 2 years from now sporting hardware worse than what PC's have today for another 7 year generation of rehashed games with no better graphics than Crysis 1 on PC released in 2007??? When will they learn. I have a hard time believing any gaming designated console could work in a year from now. So what are your thoughts? Looking forward to more DRM? Being unable to take a game over to a friend and play? Lend, rent or even resell your copies? Are we evil for expecting to own a product we purchase and is Gamestop killing the industry?
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1240	Posted - 2012.03.30 18:50:00 - [2] - Quote Meh. I've never bothered to sell games and I've never trusted used games. I like my library. Best box on the shelf: X-COM: UFO Defense. Original floppies and all. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
2bhammered Perkone Caldari State 78	Posted - 2012.03.30 18:52:00 - [3] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Meh. I've never bothered to sell games and I've never trusted used games. I like my library. Best box on the shelf: X-COM: UFO Defense. Original floppies and all. "I've never trusted used games" This you will have to clarify
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1241	Posted - 2012.03.30 18:59:00 - [4] - Quote 2bhammered wrote: "I've never trusted used games" This you will have to clarify Stolen/fake license keys, outright forgeries, missing documentation, bad discs that I can't test til I get home...it's no fun buying something only to find out you didn't really buy it. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
2bhammered Perkone Caldari State 78	Posted - 2012.03.30 19:09:00 - [5] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: 2bhammered wrote: "I've never trusted used games" This you will have to clarify Stolen/fake license keys, outright forgeries, missing documentation, bad discs that I can't test til I get home...it's no fun buying something only to find out you didn't really buy it. Well that is not the case with gamestop for instance, the law apply to your used copy purchased by stores like that just as if you would purchase a new copy. I can see it happening on places like ebay or craigslist but on ebay you got reputation,your credit card company can roll back the payment just as paypal can you are also covered by insurance. But I see what you mean when it comes to other places. I do wonder, do you have similar difficulties buying other things used? From houses, cars, movies to other consumer products or do you tend to always buy new? Do you sell used stuff yourself at least? Anyway, I can see not everyone being bothered by this. I know I wont be buying consoles anyway, but I do find it rather alarming or at least really weird that the Games industry is going to be and to a great extent already is the only exception to used sales and somehow people keep throwing out bullshit like "Somebody, please, think of the chi... developers" and wont do the same for anything else. I suppose coupled with SOPA and things like that I do tend to wonder if the industry plan to sell more is by forcing us at gun point and not by making better products.
Selinate 764	Posted - 2012.03.30 19:45:00 - [6] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Meh. I've never bothered to sell games and I've never trusted used games. I like my library. Best box on the shelf: X-COM: UFO Defense. Original floppies and all. I agree with this, and i sort of saw it coming since they removed backwards compatibility for the ps3 with the ps2 anyway. Also, funny thing, an article just came out somewhere (I don't remember where) that 360's are being used now more for online media like movies and netflix and what not, aka entertainment centers than actual online gaming.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence 115	Posted - 2012.03.30 19:59:00 - [7] - Quote Selinate wrote: [quote=FloppieTheBanjoClown]...since they removed backwards compatibility for the ps3 with the ps2 anyway. This is one of the big reasons why the PS3 failed so hard in it's first few years. No proper library to fall back on.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 2020	Posted - 2012.03.30 20:04:00 - [8] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: 2bhammered wrote: "I've never trusted used games" This you will have to clarify Stolen/fake license keys, outright forgeries, missing documentation, bad discs that I can't test til I get home...it's no fun buying something only to find out you didn't really buy it. Funnily enough "bad discs" caused by copyprotection is the reason I stopped buying legitimate movies on DVD and I'm increasingly weary against the need to stay online to play single player games that I've bought. If I'm going to pay full retail price on a product, I want control of using that product entirely in my hands without having to rely on any outside entity. If that isn't possible, I'm not buying it.
Herping yourDerp Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 437	Posted - 2012.03.30 21:08:00 - [9] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: 2bhammered wrote: "I've never trusted used games" This you will have to clarify Stolen/fake license keys, outright forgeries, missing documentation, bad discs that I can't test til I get home...it's no fun buying something only to find out you didn't really buy it. derp don't buy used PC games this is about consoles, the majority of games are on console now, so before you rage no one cares about your minoritism. gamestop lets you return a used game within 30 days and tell you if anything is missing, like books or w/e. there is no fear with used game sales the outrage comes because game companies can no longer make crap games because you can wait a week and get it cheaper at a discount.
Liam Mirren 418	Posted - 2012.03.31 03:53:00 - [10] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: Funnily enough "bad discs" caused by copyprotection is the reason I stopped buying legitimate movies on DVD and I'm increasingly weary against the need to stay online to play single player games that I've bought. If I'm going to pay full retail price on a product, I want control of using that product entirely in my hands without having to rely on any outside entity. If that isn't possible, I'm not buying it. Downloading is easier, faster, cheaper, takes up less space, more environmentally friendly and the data can't go kaput forcing you to buy it again. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org
Jon Engel Machete Carbide 21	Posted - 2012.03.31 07:12:00 - [11] - Quote This is ridiculousness. Simple solution, keep your old systems when you buy the new ones. Allows you to keep playing your old library. The article mentioned Steam, I love steam now. Cheaper, quicker and you don't need to install a bunch of crap on your computer. Just uninstall and they are saved for you later in your account. Love that. Also, consoles are gonna die out someday. I would like to see a developer of some notable console titles to start releasing their games on PC along with the console release. See who sells more, chances are it's gonna be the PC market. Especially if it's direct downloaded form and not some lame ass Disc setup that takes 3 hours to install and swapping through 4 discs etc.
Whitehound 16	Posted - 2012.03.31 09:11:00 - [12] - Quote People only have so much money. If they cannot resell games then they will buy less games. I loved it when I could take a bunch of old game into a shop and get a new one for it. And when I liked a game and wanted to play its predecessor could I just buy a used copy and not have to spend the full price on an older title. Now I guess I have to dump the games in the bin or they already come without a box and through the Internet. I see no benefit in this change for me as a customer and lose a bit of gaming culture.
Justa Altlol Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2012.03.31 13:05:00 - [13] - Quote 2bhammered wrote: A nice article on the subject. It seems more likely that all next gen consoles will push to kill used game sales. PC has this problem already big time as does other platforms, PC has a problem with used game sales? /facepalm
Jhagiti Tyran Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 242	Posted - 2012.03.31 13:47:00 - [14] - Quote Justa Altlol wrote: 2bhammered wrote: A nice article on the subject. It seems more likely that all next gen consoles will push to kill used game sales. PC has this problem already big time as does other platforms, PC has a problem with used game sales? /facepalm OP has a point, used games for PC have almost disappeared over the last five years, DRM, limited install limits and digital distribution have steadily killed them off. Used games for platforms like Android/iOS and "casual" games simply don't exist. Used games on consoles have also become more problematic with things like online passes.
Selinate 765	Posted - 2012.03.31 13:59:00 - [15] - Quote Jhagiti Tyran wrote: OP has a point, used games for PC have almost disappeared over the last five years, DRM, limited install limits and digital distribution have steadily killed them off. Used games for platforms like Android/iOS and "casual" games simply don't exist. Used games on consoles have also become more problematic with things like online passes. Only games I've ever had to deal with online passes on the console is with games from EA. I hate them.
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 334	Posted - 2012.03.31 15:57:00 - [16] - Quote Selinate wrote: Jhagiti Tyran wrote: OP has a point, used games for PC have almost disappeared over the last five years, DRM, limited install limits and digital distribution have steadily killed them off. Used games for platforms like Android/iOS and "casual" games simply don't exist. Used games on consoles have also become more problematic with things like online passes. Only games I've ever had to deal with online passes on the console is with games from EA. I hate them. THIS!!!! OMFG THIS! ... I still don't know when, but about 3 or 4 years ago I decided to never buy ANYTHING EA related ... unless it was on STEAM and at around 9.99$ and they only carry old EA stuff. The games that used to be good. I totally wish virtual poxes upon them from the core of my emo-geek soul. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
2bhammered Perkone Caldari State 78	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:50:00 - [17] - Quote Jhagiti Tyran wrote: Justa Altlol wrote: 2bhammered wrote: A nice article on the subject. It seems more likely that all next gen consoles will push to kill used game sales. PC has this problem already big time as does other platforms, PC has a problem with used game sales? /facepalm OP has a point, used games for PC have almost disappeared over the last five years, DRM, limited install limits and digital distribution have steadily killed them off. Used games for platforms like Android/iOS and "casual" games simply don't exist. Used games on consoles have also become more problematic with things like online passes. Exactly my point. Justa must have misunderstood me. Used sales are gone on the PC platform and one of the first things one noticed as a consumer many years ago was that stores would stop stocking PC games altogether. It stopped being profitable and if anything that with console market and PC MMORPGs and their payment model put a big dent into PC gaming. New salvation is Steam I suppose but that has issues as well and as awesome Valve is?! Origin is hell and we can only hope for the best when it comes to the future. Without used games I doubt gamestops can survive, it is the majority of their profit. Also I can't help think how many sales will be lost when a normal person can't just walk into a store and pick up a video game for themselves or child. Not to mention that every single game you purchase will be just "licenses" and you will be stuck with them forever. For those and many other reasons my instinct tells me it must all be some stupid rumor but I know better, the video-games industry is just as stupid if not more dumb than the music and movie industry. These CEO's, investors and companies are so stupid sometimes it makes you just want to drop your hobby. Kinda like SOPA and similar bills and laws these businesses lobby for to help out their businesses and increase profits when anyone with half a brain can see that it would be the complete opposite. I would not be surprised if all new consoles end up being worse than mini-disc, betamax or even HD-DVD. If they do fail wait for these execs to blame "pirates"
Gavin DeVries JDI Industries 45	Posted - 2012.03.31 21:35:00 - [18] - Quote I think the true point is that publishers are upset that they don't get a piece of the pie in the used game market. While I think that idea is BS, I'm convinced that's their real motivation for it. They sell a game at a retail store, they get their cut. The owner trades it in and the game store resells it, only the game store gets the money, and the publishers want it. So, they'll kill the used game market instead. The truth is it is no different than any other product. Do you see BMW or Toyota griping that local dealers are selling used cars? No, they came out with these "Certified Pre-Owned" programs and sell used cars themselves. Why can't the publishers do that? You want to sell a used game? Fine. Go to the company's website and use a link there to input your key for the game. That un-licenses the game to you; you get some credit towards their online store to use for other purchases and they give you a form to print and include in the game you sell. The new owner contacts the publisher, pays them a buck or three, and gets the new license allowing the game to work. Done. Gamestop can continue selling used games, the publisher gets a small cut, the consumer may or may not pay more overall (Gamestop may have to drop prices a little because of it) and things continue. PVP is a question with no single right answer, but a lot of wrong ones.
Kessiaan Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings 147	Posted - 2012.04.01 00:30:00 - [19] - Quote Whitehound wrote: People only have so much money. If they cannot resell games then they will buy less games. I loved it when I could take a bunch of old game into a shop and get a new one for it. And when I liked a game and wanted to play its predecessor could I just buy a used copy and not have to spend the full price on an older title. Now I guess I have to dump the games in the bin or they already come without a box and through the Internet. I see no benefit in this change for me as a customer and lose a bit of gaming culture. It's not about you. When you buy games the devs/publishers don't get a cut. The people pushing this would actually prefer you buy less games but they're new. Given the huge success of Steam on the PC it's been obvious for years that consoles would try to move to a similar model. As for the car analogy, a car is a physical product. A game exists purely as information, the media it comes on isn't relevant. The only way to 'own' software of any sort is to steal it and it's always been like that. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan
Jhagiti Tyran Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 243	Posted - 2012.04.01 03:32:00 - [20] - Quote Selinate wrote: Jhagiti Tyran wrote: OP has a point, used games for PC have almost disappeared over the last five years, DRM, limited install limits and digital distribution have steadily killed them off. Used games for platforms like Android/iOS and "casual" games simply don't exist. Used games on consoles have also become more problematic with things like online passes. Only games I've ever had to deal with online passes on the console is with games from EA. I hate them. Every first party Sony Computer Entertainment published game with a multiplayer component have online passes too. This includes games like the Resistance series and Uncharted 3.
Whitehound 19	Posted - 2012.04.01 08:12:00 - [21] - Quote Kessiaan wrote: It's not about you. When you buy games the devs/publishers don't get a cut. The people pushing this would actually prefer you buy less games but they're new. Given the huge success of Steam on the PC it's been obvious for years that consoles would try to move to a similar model. As for the car analogy, a car is a physical product. A game exists purely as information, the media it comes on isn't relevant. The only way to 'own' software of any sort is to steal it and it's always been like that. Sure it is about me, but this is not the point... Steam does not have success. It may seem so, but Steam is like the big graveyard of games and game makers and only in this role does it have success. Skyrim is currently the best example. The Elderscrolls series is not going anywhere, or maybe it does (it is going places...), but at least the PC market has lost in interest to Bethesda. They now want a piece of the console market and the series has changed to adjust for it. So while Skyrim sells well and finds many fans on the consoles has the PC part been dumped onto Steam for a little bit of extra cash. It is then entirely the success of Bethesda, but not that of Steam. Steam just can say that it is the best selling title ever. It shows how little they actually sold in the past, but of course you will not hear them say that. If Bethesda had not created the console versions of Skyrim, but only a PC version that is meant to be sold over Steam then I would have predicted an end of the series. Bethesda themselves are also selling more titles now and have become a bit of a games distributor next to being a game maker. And, btw, every forum thread on Steam gets immediately choked by Bethesda's forum moderators. PC players still hate Steam and Skyrim will not change it...
Jhagiti Tyran Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 243	Posted - 2012.04.01 11:40:00 - [22] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Sure it is about me, but this is not the point... Steam does not have success. It may seem so, but Steam is like the big graveyard of games and game makers and only in this role does it have success. Skyrim is currently the best example. The Elderscrolls series is not going anywhere, or maybe it does (it is going places...), but at least the PC market has lost in interest to Bethesda. They now want a piece of the console market and the series has changed to adjust for it. So while Skyrim sells well and finds many fans on the consoles has the PC part been dumped onto Steam for a little bit of extra cash. It is then entirely the success of Bethesda, but not that of Steam. Steam just can say that it is the best selling title ever. It shows how little they actually sold in the past, but of course you will not hear them say that. If Bethesda had not created the console versions of Skyrim, but only a PC version that is meant to be sold over Steam then I would have predicted an end of the series. Bethesda themselves are also selling more titles now and have become a bit of a games distributor next to being a game maker. And, btw, every forum thread on Steam gets immediately choked by Bethesda's forum moderators. PC players still hate Steam and Skyrim will not change it... So much misinformation in such a little post. http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ I think that speaks for itself, Steam not a success indeed.
Kessiaan Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings 149	Posted - 2012.04.01 15:03:00 - [23] - Quote Jhagiti Tyran wrote: So much misinformation in such a little post. http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ I think that speaks for itself, Steam not a success indeed. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he either wasn't here or doesn't remember the 10 years preceeding Steam of ******, unreliable DRM and not being able to find legit copies anyway because stores quit stocking PC games that didn't have the word Blizzard on them. It got huge for a reason you know. Steam is the reason we still have AAA games on PC. I think the model could work on consoles too without causing a mass revolt but only if they price old games comparably to used like most games are on Steam. Which I doubt will happen so it'll be interesting. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan
Jon Engel Machete Carbide 21	Posted - 2012.04.02 01:02:00 - [24] - Quote God damn folks, remember when the Xbox network got rolling with the 360 and finally small time publishers started releasing 5 dollar games on their network? This is what's good about this, I enjoy some of those cheap and crap graphic games you download for 5-10 bucks on my 360 and Steam offers a few of them too. Not to mention, I am a total war fan. My old Rome Total war discs got old and started ******* up on me so I repurchased the DL version on steam for dirt ass cheap. There is no way in hell anyone here is gonna make me feel bad about this. Do I wish I could transfer my games from steam to a USB and give em away to a friend? Yes, I don't play Medievil Total war 2 and have a coworker who wants to play but can't find it anywhere. Is that a reason to cry? No, because consumer demand and technology will catch up when D2D gaming becomes more common. I miss VHS, CDs and ROM cartridges too but things change.
Jhagiti Tyran Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 243	Posted - 2012.04.02 04:13:00 - [25] - Quote Kessiaan wrote: Jhagiti Tyran wrote: So much misinformation in such a little post. http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ I think that speaks for itself, Steam not a success indeed. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he either wasn't here or doesn't remember the 10 years preceeding Steam of ******, unreliable DRM and not being able to find legit copies anyway because stores quit stocking PC games that didn't have the word Blizzard on them. It got huge for a reason you know. Steam is the reason we still have AAA games on PC. I think the model could work on consoles too without causing a mass revolt but only if they price old games comparably to used like most games are on Steam. Which I doubt will happen so it'll be interesting. Steam pretty much saved PC gaming, I don't see why people hate it either. Sure it is DRM but its not as bad as most and the games are always a good price. Even new AAA releases are often cheaper on Steam than going to a crappy brick and mortar retailer that probably wont even stock it. Steam could use some more competition though.
Whitehound 20	Posted - 2012.04.02 07:52:00 - [26] - Quote Jhagiti Tyran wrote: So much misinformation in such a little post. http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ I think that speaks for itself, Steam not a success indeed. I am playing computer games for more than 25 years now. What you do is to point at Steam's own statistics. You only spread their propaganda and it makes you a silly fanboy. For all you know could you have been raised by Jehovah witnesses and now spread their believes at every door, because it is all you were allowed to know... Players have been forced by game makers to use Steam and so they now do. You may only be too young to know what it means to buy games in a real store. You know, where you have to get up and leave your basement? Of course you think it is an improvement, but there was a time when you could return a game that you did not like or that did not work and got your money back. Players used to have rights and they have been ripped off of their rights with the click of a mouse button. Chances are you only cannot not care, because you did not have to work to get the money for your games and it was given to you by grandma and grandpa. Take a good look at your link. You think Counter Strike is in there because of Steam? You think Skyrim is in there because of them? And who the hell plays this cartoon of a game called Team Fortress anyway? And Football Manager... And, yes, EVE Online gets sold over Steam with 30 days of game time for $14.99. A great deal but only for those too dumb to play the 14-day trail and then to decide to buy GTCs or a subscription. Steam is moist air. Inhale it, it is good four your lounges.
Jhagiti Tyran Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 243	Posted - 2012.04.02 08:46:00 - [27] - Quote Whitehound wrote: I am playing computer games for more than 25 years now. Doing something for a long time does not make you better at it or improve the accuracy or quality of your opinions. Whitehound wrote: Players have been forced by game makers to use Steam and so they now do. I might have missed the news reports but I am sure game publishers going into peoples houses and forcing them to buy their games would have been widespread knowledge. Whitehound wrote: You may only be too young to know what it means to buy games in a real store. You know, where you have to get up and leave your basement? Of course you think it is an improvement, but there was a time when you could return a game that you did not like or that did not work and got your money back. Players used to have rights and they have been ripped off of their rights with the click of a mouse button. Chances are you only cannot not care, because you did not have to work to get the money for your games and it was given to you by grandma and grandpa. The word assumptions begins with ass, FYI I am 32, wealthy and we don't have many basements in England. Besides get with the times grandpa, you go into a store to buy a retail box? I guess you like getting **** in the ass by the **** retail chains, most of which are slowly dying anyway. Online retailers are the best way to buy a retail box. You still have your rights, you have the rights not to buy a product and you still have the rights to return a defective product. Having a plastic disk doesn't mean anything and it doesn't give you any extra rights. Just because you don't like digital distribution it doesn't make it bad.
Sidus Isaacs Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 96	Posted - 2012.04.02 09:01:00 - [28] - Quote 2bhammered wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/29/the-coming-war-on-used-games/ A nice article on the subject. It seems more likely that all next gen consoles will push to kill used game sales. PC has this problem already big time as does other platforms, Microsoft are going to go nuts with WIndows 8 and try yet again to sell us their **** that they could not do with Windows Vista (they also ran into legal problems that time.) I find this amusing and crazy at the same time, even starting to feel that developers and publishers are being self entitled pricks much like Hollywood and the Music industry is. I got sick of hearing their excuses of crippling my games due to "piracy" ages ago and now they are going to target legal right of the consumer that we have when it comes to anything else. I always laugh when reading EULA's knowing they are not a signed contract where I live and by law I can crack and copy even a console game under fair use. So, no used sales anymore? I figured it would happen sooner or later but the model they will push I am sure will be option 2 as detailed in that article. In any case, does anyone actually want to buy a next gen console in 1 to 2 years from now sporting hardware worse than what PC's have today for another 7 year generation of rehashed games with no better graphics than Crysis 1 on PC released in 2007??? When will they learn. I have a hard time believing any gaming designated console could work in a year from now. So what are your thoughts? Looking forward to more DRM? Being unable to take a game over to a friend and play? Lend, rent or even resell your copies? Are we evil for expecting to own a product we purchase and is Gamestop killing the industry? I don't really care about used games or not. Any platform now a days that do not support pure digital distribution of games is a weak platform. I don't want to have to grab a physical disc just to play a game. I should not need to grab a physical disc. And of course, "used" games on a pure digital distribution does not make any sense. Steam got it right, and I am still surprised that nobody has really followed their example.
Whitehound 20	Posted - 2012.04.02 09:09:00 - [29] - Quote Jhagiti Tyran wrote: Doing something for a long time does not make you better at it ... Yes, it does. It only is not true for everything. Quote: ... Just because you don't like digital distribution it doesn't make it bad. Who says I do not like it? The word assumptions comes to mind indeed... You only assume I do. It is about being forced to use it and having no other choice. Skewing this little detail is typical for a fanatic. And there is no point in telling a noob that he is dumb nor in helping those who live in denial. People have said that a CD or DVD can get scratched and break. Yet have game makers always replaced them if you only asked for it. With Steam come new problems and it is overall no way better. Try coming with facts. There are none you can find, are there?
Suzu Fujibayashi Happy Dudes 10	Posted - 2012.04.02 09:11:00 - [30] - Quote Why is the saling of used products only a problem for game companies (afaik)? Shouldn't this bother music and movie industry as well? People seem to not like to keep games after they played them.

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