Yes, it is. When you hate someone one and express it does it become the truth.

Yes, it is. When you hate someone one and express it does it become the truth.

still waiting for you to come up with a reasonable response to my post

Like I said I don't hate you, or do you have the power to reach across the internet and sense what people think?

It is only an opinion you have. It is nothing to talk about. Sorry. Do you want to try again?

ah, gotcha, so all you wanted to do was to spout off your own piece and attack other's viewpoints, and then completely ignore them when they comes up with their own counterpoints, ok.

You know what, why don't you just keep at it, the thread is derailed enough as it is, and it's obvious you just want to troll instead of having any actual intelligent debate. I'll just step away, and think of your tears whenever I boot up steam :)

Hey I would love for us all to game using cloud but I also know as consumer we are getting more and more screwed over. Not sure how it is for you guys but today music, movies and books are cheaper than ever before. Games however is not, but the opposite, we pay more today and get less value with a ton of restrictions in place treating us as filth. It is annoying enough to have to watch FBI warnings and ads about how pirating=stealing when you BOUGHT the ******* movie, but with games we get limited installs and at least 2 DRM sometimes 3 and we even get told that we don't own it and they are nice for letting us pay to rent at full price basically. ...

Only today did I read an interesting story... Scientists conducted an experiment with rats. They lowered a bit of cheese on a string into a cage with several rats. The rats then automatically jumped at the cheese before it reached the ground. The scientists then changed the rats' behaviour by splashing cold water at them in order to make them wait for the cheese to reach the ground. After a while did the rats stop jumping and waited for the cheese. They then exchanged one of trained rats with an untrained one. The result was that now the new rat did not jump at the cheese either, but it adopted the behaviour of the other rats. The scientists kept exchanging rat after rat until none of the trained rats were left. However, no rat started jumping at the cheese any longer. It had become sort of a rule for the rats not to jump. Weird, right?.

Stop trying to be clever, you are not. If you where really clever you would understand that its called operant conditioning. (Or possibly respondent conditioning, your description is crap)

So much hate

Tyran likes to start fights over anything, don't mind him, he trolls every single forum there is.

Lord is it that serious?

I guess I should talk about how much gasoline and cigarettes cost when I was a teenager? **** in life changes and you can not do things like you always done anymore. I have nostalgia for payphones, doesn't mean I get angry because they don't exist anymore. Or flipping channels really fast with an old analog cable box, doesn't mean I don't use the digital menus on my TV.

Let's just face it, steam and other networks where you can download games is cheaper and more convenient than buying discs. Get over it, steam is here to stay.

UMADBRO?

So you have no values, you accept anything as long as it shines and blinks, and it makes you happy and it will keep making you happy. This is all good, but this does not make a good opinion. You first need to have an opinion to express it just as you need to have values to care for them. Maybe you have taste and style and we can talk about that, but this here is not a discussion for you.

and other software. Imagine buying milk and bread and you had to sign an agreement each time you do not to hold the producers responsible for their product, not to misuse the product other than its intended purpose and so on. You would think this is impossible, but it is not. All it needs is cold water ...

So you have no values, you accept anything as long as it shines and blinks, and it makes you happy and it will keep making you happy. This is all good, but this does not make a good opinion. You first need to have an opinion to express it just as you need to have values to care for them. Maybe you have taste and style and we can talk about that, but this here is not a discussion for you.

My values are very simple friend. ...

You just want to hate steam for the sake of hating it. ...

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Most of the complaints I see about Steam tend to revolve around the service suddenly terminating (highly unlikely, but even so we'd all just crack our games and continue on about our business), issues about ownership (as I said a few pages ago, the only way to own non-open source software you didn't write is to steal it, and it's always been that way), or some emotional connection to physical goods (which I can't help you with).

If it was this simple and it was a mere emotional connection then we could just make prostitution a respectable business and declare marriage as illegal. The later often ends in court anyway and you lose your money either way!

Seriously, it still is about the values and there is no emotional connection here. We have established rules in business and with games and software sales do these rules get bend and broken. You own nothing, you need to agree with their politic before you can use the software and you need to fear the loss of your purchase. All you get is to pay for buggy games. There is a complete loss in values taking place and the kids accept it happily, because they do not know what this is.

An old saying says, "do not pay the ferryman before you get to the other side." If one does not understand its meaning and what it is trying to teach you then I suppose it needs Steam so that people can make the necessary experience.

All of these problems apply to retail boxed games as well. ...

No, not all. This is just the fanboy in you talking who does not want the truth to be told.

It is getting worse with every new business model in the games market. In the past could one walk into a shop and return a game that was buggy. Nowadays do the shops not take them back. It has become a standard practise to sell software "buggy as hell" on their release date and to make the customers wait for the fixes. It often takes months before the worst get fixed.

If you have a problem with a game you have bought on Steam will nobody listen to you. You can call a hotline, but you will end up talking the 1st line support, who will try to brush you off with reading FAQs and web pages. Should you manage to get through to 2nd line support will you be talking to a tech guy, who has got an MCSE and knows which end of his headset to talk into. But will you get help? No. Only when the problem has become so obvious that it cannot be ignored, and because masses of players write about it on their forum or make the hotline burn, will they do something. This then is called "costumer service" and "common practise", because you do not want it any other way.

You say I ignore the truth, that's because there is no truth to pay attention to.

Yes, I know about your values and, no, I do not hate them for the sake of it. I do not share their idea of a "good" sale, I reject it.

No, this is not what I am saying. I said you do not want it to be told. You know it is true and you cannot ignore it.

Keep those tears coming.

I have no tears, I am happy to embrace digital distribution.

You are the one crying and whining about it.

lol, people are still getting trolled by whitehound?

I think it should be blatantly obvious at this point that he's not really interested in saying anything other than "I'M RIGHT AND UR WRONG LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA"

Thats unfair, I only troll stupid people or those that post stupid opinions. I argued with you in the Bioware threads because you where doing the 4chan zombie biodrone chant. But in this thread where you made a good point I supported it didnt I? I don't hold grudges over forum arguments either, that would be daft.

I enjoy constructive discussion but I cant help it when people are stupid, its just to funny.