I think you're beating a dead horse here but what the hell. In terms of investment vs. return, Black Ops are terrible. They need love, though as I've already said, this has been asked for before.

Many folks have proposed giving Black Ops a covert cloak. That would put it more in line with its counterparts and resolve some of the more bitter issues. Honestly, I think we can afford to make it a bit opf a solo pwn mobile. The Force recons have crap dps. the bombers have no tank. Covert Ops... battle buzzard ftw? It does get a dps bonus, has 5 mids, and moves like greased lightning. (off-topic sorry). Make the Blops the all-around beast. I wish CCP would pick a real role for it and fix it to fit that role. Something other than space-HMMWV would be nice.

Black Ops are currently in the (short) priority list of things to rebalance. So, unless things go sour, you can expect them to get better next expansion or the one after. No details as to how yet, CCP will reach to us when they get around to doing that particular one, and I'll then read your posts (and the numerous other threads) to see what interesting ideas were floated about.

I am aware off this, however after keeping up with forums for 2,5 yrs i need to see it first to belive it. No hard feelings just experiance

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Fair enough, and to be fair, so do I. I fly Black Ops (well, I have a couple and would love to fly them), plus I don't want that pesky cyno 5 skill I learned to be worthless.

Actually, while not on the subject of the Black Ops itself but rather its use, I think lowering the skill requirement for covert cyno generation to 4 would be beneficial to the use of the the ship once it's bettered. It would suck for those of us who have already invested in cyno 5, but would be nicer as a whole. Thoughts?

Actually, while not on the subject of the Black Ops itself but rather its use, I think lowering the skill requirement for covert cyno generation to 4 would be beneficial to the use of the the ship once it's bettered. It would suck for those of us who have already invested in cyno 5, but would be nicer as a whole. Thoughts?

They are usefull, not need changes.

you are alone with that point of view.

a 700ish mil battleship that is useful for almost nothing and can bridge like 3 systems at best.

I've made billions of isk with that useless ship grinding sigs in soviet mordor with some alts in recons and transies.

I've even hotdropped with those ships and on a regular occasion, bridge transport fleets for minor hauling ops through low sec and 0.0.

So no, I share his view.

What you want is a 700 mil titan wannabe wtfownmobile that only works in PvP.

If i wanted a wtfpwnmobile I could get one for much less than 700mil thats for sure.
What else can I get that costs 700 mil?
A carrier hull, almost 4x Tier 3 bs hulls, a fully fitted T3 cruiser, 21 hurricanes, 20 drakes...


What I and a vast majority of people want is a ship that is worth what it costs.

I want a ship that can bridge a pvp force a valuable distance, somewhat defend itself (eg not like the sin which is just a bus driver), can be self sufficient enough to covertly deploy a gang of 10-20 bombers/recons deep into hostile territory all without needing a fuel truck in support.

How I think that it can be achieved is though what most people have been preaching:
Bigger fuel bay, longer jump/bridge range, better resists, cov ops cloak.





This is not about one ship to rule them all (may as well continue with the LOTR theme), but a ship that is worth using/loosing rather than the least flown ship in the game.

And the answer for this has nothing to do with an invisible local list so lets steer clear of that other topic.

What I and a vast majority of people want is a ship that is worth what it costs.