Originally by: Narciss Sevar

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Waaaaaaaaa we only got our money back instead of what we think it's worth now. This is unfair and we'll post on CAOD about this injustice.

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Wow i agree with viper this is unheard of.

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Originally by: Admiral Frools

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Originally by: Narciss Sevar

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Waaaaaaaaa we only got our money back instead of what we think it's worth now. This is unfair and we'll post on CAOD about this injustice.

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Wow i agree with viper this is unheard of.

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All you have to do now is not login ingame at all and you'd practically be the same person.

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Originally by: bulabuba

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Originally by: Kalissa

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Edited by: Kalissa on 08/10/2008 13:01:39
A lot of people are saying "oh you attacked their allies what do you expect??"

Actually we kind of naively expected them to honour a business deal regardless of politics.

Yes MM could have totally screwed us over by keeping everything but honestly I never really thought that was a realistic possibility, MM care about their good name and that would truely drag it through the mud.

However just because they have given us 45bn back does not mean we should just keep quiet and say nothing. Personally speaking I think it's newsworthy. And staying silent lets them off the hook a little too much I'd say.

People can make their own mind up about what happened, whether they dont care, whether they think we're idiots or justified in what we think, that MM are dishonest or that MM acted honourably.

Personally I don't give a shit what people think the important thing is the facts are out there and people can make up their own minds.

And yes it was gonna be a Doom titan. But as I said in a previous post there still will be a new Doom titan just it's arrival has been delayed several weeks.

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Looks to me like you're in a tough spot with this, just from a propaganda/public opinion point of view.

If you openly side with BoB over it, you'll get a lot of . Dude, your deal with BoB is fairly obvious already. This will just be seen as a public fig-leaf to try to get the 10% outside the GBC who don't view you as BoB tools already not to start thinking so too.

You have a whole other segment of the population right now who are laughing at MM for even giving you back the isk. So, they should honor the deal because you didn't attack them directly, though you're riding "Max" into their allied space, effectively splitting their attention and helping BoB to invade them (not that you're BoB pets or anything)? I don't know what percentage of the population buys that, but it gotta be pretty small.

On balance, I think MMs stock went up a notch, and the only reputation you should be worried about is your own. Once you get known as a lackey in this game, it's a hard label to shake.

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Originally by: Dianeces

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Originally by: Admiral Frools

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Originally by: Narciss Sevar

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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Waaaaaaaaa we only got our money back instead of what we think it's worth now. This is unfair and we'll post on CAOD about this injustice.

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Wow i agree with viper this is unheard of.

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All you have to do now is not login ingame at all and you'd practically be the same person.

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I thought that was Dungar?

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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Illum - butt hurt still because Darkness liked GeneralDynasty more than Angel. Preperation H might help you all about that but its sad tbfh that you still cry on every Tri post.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Roughly 6 months ago a deal was struck between Morsus Mihi and what then was Rectum alliance. This was a deal between friends and based on years of trust and mutual reputation for being true to their word. Majority of the risk involved in this venture was on behalf of Rectum (Tri mk 1 corps). But again it was considered a safe bet because the parties involved had a reputation for being always true to their word, and make a living on delivering what is agreed up on.

The terms were straight forward, and they were as follows.

Morsus Mihi towers are not shot during the term of the deal

Morsus Mihi space is not threatened or taken during the term of the deal

In return 45 billion worth of build components were handed over to Morsus Mihi by then Requim(Rectum) alliance, which would eventually result in shape of a titan. Nothing fancy no clauses, no other terms.

Fast forward to about 2 months ago when the said titan is almost finished building we start hearing rumors that MM is contemplating not holding up their end of the deal to what extent we donÆt know.

Talks begin between several parties involved and its true MM is not going to deliver the titan, and considering keeping the isk as well. This coming from people like Koth Fluff and Oree, for those that donÆt know are the leaders of Morsus Mihi and NC for the most part. They decided that the original deal was not upheld because the new Tri had attacked Hydra and began taking its space, even though they were fully aware that MM and Hydra space are two separate pieces of real estate.

There was much more drama and deceit involved on behalf of Morsus Mihi, but in the end they decided to be stand up people and give Tri its 45 billion back after 6 months of holding moons which make them roughly 60+ billion a month, and they got to build a titan on TriÆs money and profit 40 billion from it. After words they had the nerve to ask if the deal was settled and how we can move forward from this and consider them trustworthy again.

Many of you may hate us or our smack, you may hate us for killing you, you may even hate us for taking your space. But I can assure you that none of you will hate us for being liars and thieves which is what Morsus Mihi has proven them selves to be.

Anyone that thinks Morsus Mihi or anyone involved with them are good people, just remember they are only good if it suits them.

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Originally by: Shadoo

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Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver

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PL vs TRI, who wins?

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At bad posting or shooting in the actual game?

At bad posting, PL has the lead.

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Originally by: Orree

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Way to get the "terms" of the deal wrong an mischaracterize the entire affair.

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Originally by: deadmaus

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Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything

Originally by: SnowUponPetal

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It is this contradiction that has turned an anti-MM thread into an anti-Tri one.

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Originally by: SnowUponPetal

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Every agreement has two kinds of interpretation: a narrow, legal one that adheres to the wording and a broader, relationship-based one in which the spirit of the agreement is expected to be upheld.

Tri's attack against the NC in Hydra space did not directly hit MM and thus avoided breaching the contract's wording. But it certainly harmed the NC, and with it MM's capability to defend itself against MAX, which breached the agreement's spirit.

The OP calls out MM on the basis of the reputation and personal trustworthiness of its leaders. In expecting that MM would deliver a Titan to Tri even as they fight against the NC along the same front as BoB, Tri is asking that the broader definition of the agreement be applied to MM, while only the narrow definition be applied to themselves. It is this contradiction that has turned an anti-MM thread into an anti-Tri one.

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Originally by: Admiral Frools

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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Illum - butt hurt still because Darkness liked GeneralDynasty more than Angel. Preperation H might help you all about that but its sad tbfh that you still cry on every Tri post.

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Not every TRI post, theres way too many of those for even the illuminatis' professional forum trolling team to keep up with. But those that involve TRI, Burn Eden, the NC AND titans is just too good to pass up.

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Originally by: touchvill

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Actually all threads turn to anti Tri ones, even if it wasn't intentionally about them.

They get a lot of hate, so doing something very very right in this game.

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Originally by: Admiral Frools

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Originally by: touchvill

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Actually all threads turn to anti Tri ones, even if it wasn't intentionally about them.

They get a lot of hate, so doing something very very right in this game.

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Hey touchvill why don't you rejoin TRI if you love them so much

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Originally by: touchvill

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Why don't you go have sex with Angel?

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Originally by: Goose Hypocrisy

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Hey touchvill

stop posting

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Originally by: touchvill

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Why don't you go have sex with Angel?

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Originally by: Orree

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Way to get the "terms" of the deal wrong an mischaracterize the entire affair. Who would expect anything less from you, though? Certainly not I. What's more, I knew you would do this as soon as we paid it back.

The actual individuals involved without axes to grind know what happened. We did our best to make the interested parties in D00M. whole as quickly as possible without handing over a titan to people who began unprovoked attacks on our allies (and by extension us).

Dishonorable types would have kept the titan and the ISK.

Whatever occurred, this entire affair is on me. No one else.

I chose to take the deal from a friend. When TRI reformed, moved north and began invading a neighbor's space, I talked to that friend and let him know I wasn't too happy with it and could not in good conscience turn over a titan to an active hostile, so we worked out a second arrangement where the titan would be sold and D00M. would be returned the ISK value of their parts.

Two separate buyers feel through. Undaunted, we raised the isk by other means and turned it over to D00M. as soon as we had it...all the while being attacked by TRI and the GBC (sometimes together).

All the decisions were left up to me, really. RAWR leadership was kept apprised of what was being done. Everyone who expressed any opinion was in favor of making sure D00M. was made whole as quickly as possible.


Moral of the story, don't do business with reds, even reds who are "friends."


Flame away. I simply don't care anymore.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Roughly 6 months ago a deal was struck between Morsus Mihi and what then was Rectum alliance. This was a deal between friends and based on years of trust and mutual reputation for being true to their word. Majority of the risk involved in this venture was on behalf of Rectum (Tri mk 1 corps). But again it was considered a safe bet because the parties involved had a reputation for being always true to their word, and make a living on delivering what is agreed up on.

The terms were straight forward, and they were as follows.

Morsus Mihi towers are not shot during the term of the deal

Morsus Mihi space is not threatened or taken during the term of the deal

In return 45 billion worth of build components were handed over to Morsus Mihi by then Requim(Rectum) alliance, which would eventually result in shape of a titan. Nothing fancy no clauses, no other terms.

Fast forward to about 2 months ago when the said titan is almost finished building we start hearing rumors that MM is contemplating not holding up their end of the deal to what extent we donÆt know.

Talks begin between several parties involved and its true MM is not going to deliver the titan, and considering keeping the isk as well. This coming from people like Koth Fluff and Oree, for those that donÆt know are the leaders of Morsus Mihi and NC for the most part. They decided that the original deal was not upheld because the new Tri had attacked Hydra and began taking its space, even though they were fully aware that MM and Hydra space are two separate pieces of real estate.

There was much more drama and deceit involved on behalf of Morsus Mihi, but in the end they decided to be stand up people and give Tri its 45 billion back after 6 months of holding moons which make them roughly 60+ billion a month, and they got to build a titan on TriÆs money and profit 40 billion from it. After words they had the nerve to ask if the deal was settled and how we can move forward from this and consider them trustworthy again.

Many of you may hate us or our smack, you may hate us for killing you, you may even hate us for taking your space. But I can assure you that none of you will hate us for being liars and thieves which is what Morsus Mihi has proven them selves to be.

Anyone that thinks Morsus Mihi or anyone involved with them are good people, just remember they are only good if it suits them.

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Originally by: Ace Frehley

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Come back later, about half of eve is playing navyfield atm.
Lagfree fleetfights \o/

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Originally by: Thodoros

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Why the hell did you give the 45 billion back to them, Oree?
They even have the nerve and complain in CAOD!
And believe me, if it was the Tri that would be building the titan for the MM they had give nothing back.
And yes, i know that nobody trust Tri anymore.

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Originally by: Kaeten

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should be happy yous got your isk back

"band of thieves", how did they steal from yous?

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Morsus Mihi, eine Diebesbande

Morsus Mihi und die Rectum-Allianz haben vor ca. 6 Monate einen Deal gemacht. Es war ein Deal zwischen Freunden, basierend auf Jahrelangem, ehrlichen Umgang sowie gegen seitiger Anerkennung, sich an an das Vereinbarte auch zu halten. Das gr÷¯te Risiko dieser Unternehmens war auf Seiten von Rectum (Tri mk1 corps), aber man war sich der Sache sicher, da man sich bisher immer das Wort des anderen verlassen konnte.

Folgende Bedingungen wurde Vereinbart:

- Morsus Mihi Tower werden nicht angegriffen

- Morsus Mihi Space wird nicht angegriffen oder eingenommen

Im Gegenzug werden Bauteil von der Requiem-Allianz(ehmls Rectum) im Wert von 45 mrd ISK an Morsus Mihi gegeben, die sich "m÷glicher Weise" in Form eines Titan enden wnrden. Nichts klein geschriebenes, keine anderen Bedingungen.

Nach ungefShr 2 Monate, als der angesprochene Titan so gut wie fertig gebaut war, erreicht uns Gernchte, das MM sich - in einem fnr die Rectum/Requiem-Allianz nicht nicht bekannten Ausma¯es - nicht an die Vereinbarung halten will.


Es werden GesprSche zwischen verschiedenen Personen gefnhrt und es stellt sich als Wahr heraus, das MM den Titan nicht ausliefern wird und darnber nachdenkt, auch die ISK zu behalten. Aus Mnndern von leuten wie Koth Fluff und Oree - fnr die die sie nicht kennen, sie sind die Leader vom MM, und der NC zum gr÷¯ten Teil. Sie entschieden, dass der Vertrag nicht eingehalten wurde, da die neue Triumvirate-Allainz ihre Invasion gegen die Hydra-Allianz begonnnen hatte, obwohl es sich bei dem Hydra-Space nicht um geringsten um den Morsus-Mihi-Space handelt.

Es gab eine Menge Theater und TSuschungen seitens Morsus-Mihi's, doch entschieden sie sich am Ende, ehrlich Menschen zu sein und Tri die 45 Mrd ISK nach 6 Monaten zurnck zu geben. In diesen 6 Monate war MM im Besitz von ehemaligen Triumvirate Monden, welche MM einen Gewinn von mindestens 60 Mrd ISK im Monat beschert haben dnrften sowie die 40 Mrd ISK Gewinn durch den verkauf das Titans. Im nachhinnein besa¯ MM die dreistigkeit zu fragen, wie die Vereinbarung gelaufen ist und ob es nach dem Geschehenen auf einer neuen Basis weiter gehen kann und ob sie sie wieder als Vertrauensvoll einstufen wnrden.

Viele m÷gen uns hassen oder unserem Smack-Talk, vielleicht auch weil wir euch T÷ten, vielleicht sogar deshalb, weil wir euren Space einnehmen. Aber ich kann versichern, dass uns niemand dafnr hassen wird, das wir Lngner und Diebe sind, etwas, das Morsus Mihi von sich selbst gezeigt hat.

Jeder der denkt, dass MM or jemand der mit ihnen in Verbindung stehen gute Menschen sind, der sollte erinnert werden, dass sie nur gut sind, wenn es ihnen passt.

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