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Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.08 10:30:00 - [1] This means you cyclists! Get out of the road! Now I may sound like an angry car driver, in fact I am. In the UK we do like to have our space on the roads and this is generally proven by the mass distaste for cyclists. We also assign little lanes and things for cyclists so they don't die too much. Before I continue, I cycle to work 90% of the time, when I'm starting early, I need to drive in. But yeah, I cycle. But i stick to the pavements because I'm too lazy to go fast and I dont wanna hold up traffic with my slowness. Alas when I drive home I drive through the city. The roads are cramped because, in the UK, we restrict roads width and stick islands along them to make people limit speed. So I'm driving at 30 on this busy main road from Portsmouth to Portchester, and theres some woman on a bike. Shes quite serious about her cycling because shes got all the lycras on. Shes going for it. Shes cycling on the road, okay fine. I slow up behind her, i'm just letting my car crawl along in drive. She's pedalling like a maniac trying to go fast enough to keep up speed. She won't move. Normally I wouldnt expect her to, but I look to her left... On the sidewalk is a BRIGHT FRICKIN' RED dedicated lane for cyclists, off the road so they don't get mashed into the kerb. Why isn't she there! She should be riding on her dedicated cycle lane if its available, not holding up traffic in the road. This instantly makes me a bit angry so I lean on the horn a bit. (I do love my horn.) She stops in the road and looks around, I drive a LHD car (Yay american) so shes' massively confused, she's looking for a driver and there isnt one. As soon as she spots me on the left she starts giving it biggun's.. I point to this little cycle lane and storm off with the V8 scream of rage. If the council go through the trouble of laying down a nice, smooth dedicated off-road lane for cyclists to use on this stretch of road, I don't expect to see cyclists ON THE ROAD, come on. That narrow road is home to not only cars, but massive articulated trucks... Deathwish much? The last thing I want is chunks of lycra-clad flesh stuck to my radials.
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.08 10:30:00 - [2] This means you cyclists! Get out of the road! Now I may sound like an angry car driver, in fact I am. In the UK we do like to have our space on the roads and this is generally proven by the mass distaste for cyclists. We also assign little lanes and things for cyclists so they don't die too much. Before I continue, I cycle to work 90% of the time, when I'm starting early, I need to drive in. But yeah, I cycle. But i stick to the pavements because I'm too lazy to go fast and I dont wanna hold up traffic with my slowness. Alas when I drive home I drive through the city. The roads are cramped because, in the UK, we restrict roads width and stick islands along them to make people limit speed. So I'm driving at 30 on this busy main road from Portsmouth to Portchester, and theres some woman on a bike. Shes quite serious about her cycling because shes got all the lycras on. Shes going for it. Shes cycling on the road, okay fine. I slow up behind her, i'm just letting my car crawl along in drive. She's pedalling like a maniac trying to go fast enough to keep up speed. She won't move. Normally I wouldnt expect her to, but I look to her left... On the sidewalk is a BRIGHT FRICKIN' RED dedicated lane for cyclists, off the road so they don't get mashed into the kerb. Why isn't she there! She should be riding on her dedicated cycle lane if its available, not holding up traffic in the road. This instantly makes me a bit angry so I lean on the horn a bit. (I do love my horn.) She stops in the road and looks around, I drive a LHD car (Yay american) so shes' massively confused, she's looking for a driver and there isnt one. As soon as she spots me on the left she starts giving it biggun's.. I point to this little cycle lane and storm off with the V8 scream of rage. If the council go through the trouble of laying down a nice, smooth dedicated off-road lane for cyclists to use on this stretch of road, I don't expect to see cyclists ON THE ROAD, come on. That narrow road is home to not only cars, but massive articulated trucks... Deathwish much? The last thing I want is chunks of lycra-clad flesh stuck to my radials.
Benco97 Gallente The Star League	Posted - 2008.10.08 10:42:00 - [3] Edited by: Benco97 on 08/10/2008 10:44:27 I have a very similar annoyance actually, Horses. EVERYWHERE. They ride slowly on down the road and laugh and wave at everyone from their horse and I just think to myself "WE ARE SURROUNDED BY MILES AND MILES AND MILES OF FIELDS YET YOU INSIST ON USING THE ROADS! WHHHHYYYYYYYY?!" It very much annoys me because there are so many horse riders in my area and you never see them galloping through fields, just slowly ambling along the main roads.# Edit- and you can't beep and shout at them for fear of the horse going psycho and kicking the windscreen into your face or throwing the rider. Really annoys me.. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach	Posted - 2008.10.08 10:44:00 - [4] I predict further frustration with cyclists the longer the automobile industry is dominated by oil/gas using vehicles. I know what you mean, and the worst part about cyclists in the US is many times they think that they have the right of way when in all actuality they are supposed to follow the same traffic rules. For instance, like yielding the path if you are unable to keep up the pace. Some places have dedicated lanes and they typically are used when available. The main issue in the States is that the infrastructure in the US was built around the concept of cars not foot and buggy like much of the old world. So I can see how this would be a big problem in Europe. I cringe when I see cars pass each other on roads in movies that are filmed in Europe muc less having a bike on the side of the road to top it off Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. ≡v≡
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.10.08 11:13:00 - [5] Maybe the UK needs to borrow a concept or 2 about cycling from the netherlands? Most major roads have designated cycling paths running alongside them, or atleast a section of the road indicated as a cycling lane, that way neither motorists or cyclists get in each others way and you both get where you are going.
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.08 11:20:00 - [6] You think cyclists are bad... Welcome to where I live and see every ****ing day. -
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.08 11:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Meiyang Lee Maybe the UK needs to borrow a concept or 2 about cycling from the netherlands? Most major roads have designated cycling paths running alongside them, or atleast a section of the road indicated as a cycling lane, that way neither motorists or cyclists get in each others way and you both get where you are going. We do have that, thats what I'm talking about. As i said, there was a specific cycling lane on the sidewalk and this woman was on the freakin' road! Also, about the traffic in Manila there, well.. Those people just don't realise how much a car hurts if it hits you eh.
annoing F.M.J. operations	Posted - 2008.10.08 11:46:00 - [8] Bikes shouldnt be allowed on the road as they are NOT taxed. We pay car tax, road tax, vehicle registration tax etc etc. Bikes pay for fuk all, cause accidents, they become accidents and generally ignore the rules of the road too. Look at it this way .... see a cyclist, see that target symbol painted on their backs? Ready .. aim ... fire!! As for horses, the law that protects horses and their riders (they have right of way etc) goes back to the time motorised vehicles first made an appreance. As no one could believe that cars would EVER become a serious mode of transport laws were enacted to make sure that horses got rights over cars on the roads of the UK. Personally, whenever I see a horse I think of it as a Sandwich American, as the Belgians call it. Horse meat tartar with herbs, a light vinegerette in a crusty bagette. Yum yum!
SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2008.10.08 12:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari You think cyclists are bad... Welcome to where I live and see every ****ing day. OMFG!! ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.08 12:15:00 - [10] Originally by: annoing Bikes shouldnt be allowed on the road as they are NOT taxed. We pay car tax, road tax, vehicle registration tax etc etc. Bikes pay for fuk all, cause accidents, they become accidents and generally ignore the rules of the road too. This tbh. Part of the reason I ride my bike on the sidewalk. I don't consider a bicycle to be a motorised vehicle, its not taxed, therefore it shouldn't be on the road. If anything its just a pedestrian on wheels. Part that annoys me is that cyclists get all ****y at you when you give them a bit of horn, I paid my taxes to use my horn damnit.
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach	Posted - 2008.10.08 12:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari You think cyclists are bad... Welcome to where I live and see every **ing day. Add some of this music in the back ground and you have real life frogger. Slade Originally by:** Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. ≡v≡

CCP Lingorm C C P	Posted - 2008.10.08 13:06:00 - [12] In New Zealand, they have stopped putting 'Cycle Lanes' as part of the foot paths because the pedestrians complained the cyclist went too fast and caused accidents. A number of cities had started putting cycle lanes on the road, which was really good until people started to use them to park their cars in. I cycle to work here at CCP every day (except during the middle of winter) and the issue is if you ride on the road, the cars hate you, ride on the foot paths and the pedestrians complain ... you can't win. CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader Originally by: Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.

Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.08 13:09:00 - [13] Originally by: CCP Lingorm In New Zealand, they have stopped putting 'Cycle Lanes' as part of the foot paths because the pedestrians complained the cyclist went too fast and caused accidents. A number of cities had started putting cycle lanes on the road, which was really good until people started to use them to park their cars in. I cycle to work here at CCP every day (except during the middle of winter) and the issue is if you ride on the road, the cars hate you, ride on the foot paths and the pedestrians complain ... you can't win. Yeah, you cant' win, thats true. Thing is, i'd rather tustle with pedestrians rather than a ton and a half of metal propelled by a 225hp V8.
Heather Drauls Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.08 13:30:00 - [14] Edited by: Heather Drauls on 08/10/2008 13:30:22 Let's face it, it doesn't really matter if it's a pedestrian, cyclist, horse or other car driver. If they're being inconsiderate they're a pain in the ass. Then again drivers like everyone else can be idiots. My dad was trying to cycle home from the pub once. Very drunk (should have walked but there we go). Fell off the bike in the road and rather than anyone help him, more the bike, drag him off the road, they just drove up onto the pavement and went round him. This was on Heath Street at the top of Hampstead and if any of you know it.. it's not exactly wide. As far as taxes go, the land those roads are on belong to all of us so unless there's a law/by law that says you shouldn't be on it (dual carriage ways, motorways etc.) it's down to who got there first. I don't like having to over take horses though as I have a V8 too and horses aren't fond of the noise it makes. Kinda just accelerate a little bit, slap it in neutral and glide silently by....
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.08 13:35:00 - [15] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari You think cyclists are bad... Welcome to where I live and see every **ing day. Don't know, this looks kind of tame to me, to be honest. Seen worse in my country's larger cities. However, THIS one, now that's mental. _ Alternate resist display \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix**
Valan The Fated	Posted - 2008.10.08 13:38:00 - [16] Calm yourself with the thought that beligerant cyclists usually end up picking a fight they can't win and end up in a wheel chair. Which is fine by them as they still hold the moral high ground. So everyone is happy. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.10.08 15:02:00 - [17] As a cyclist, I will stay out of your roads, if you stop parking your damn cars in my lane. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.10.08 15:09:00 - [18] Edited by: JordanParey on 08/10/2008 15:09:33 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari You think cyclists are bad... Welcome to where I live and see every ****ing day. Don't know, this looks kind of tame to me, to be honest. Seen worse in my country's larger cities. However, THIS one, now that's mental. I knew that driving in any Southeast Asian city was insane... but that one takes the cake On the funny side, one accident and you're playing RL dominoes
Dra0cht	Posted - 2008.10.08 15:18:00 - [19] Simple solution for all you enraged car drivers: ban cars altogether.
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.08 15:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Pwett As a cyclist, I will stay out of your roads, if you stop parking your damn cars in my lane. When your lane is on the sidewalk, you have no excuse. And if I was being an ass, I'd consider it your lane when you start handing over some road tax for it. Regardless, I personally never park my car in the cycle lane as - A. its illegal and B. Cycle lanes are on main roads and I value the condition of my fenders. And perhaps C. The opportunity has never arisen.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.10.08 15:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Dra0cht Simple solution for all you enraged car drivers: ban cars altogether. I prefer a massive grill guard with a license plate that can be read in a rear view mirror saying move over. It's especially funny when that's ALL you see in your mirror.
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.08 15:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Dra0cht Simple solution for all you enraged car drivers: ban cars altogether. I prefer a massive grill guard with a license plate that can be read in a rear view mirror saying move over. It's especially funny when that's ALL you see in your mirror. Attached to a Ford F450? I want a Ford F450 mostly for this purpose.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.10.08 16:10:00 - [23] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Dra0cht Simple solution for all you enraged car drivers: ban cars altogether. I prefer a massive grill guard with a license plate that can be read in a rear view mirror saying move over. It's especially funny when that's ALL you see in your mirror. Attached to a Ford F450? I want a Ford F450 mostly for this purpose. Dodge V10. Not my truck but I sure love driving it.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.10.08 16:17:00 - [24] Here in the US, at least where I live (and then depending on the township) there are a set of rules for bike riders, most of it is common sence Go against traffic, announce where your coming from if passing a padestrian "On your left, on your right, etc." Dont be a douch and bike in a well used road, etc. Of course biking is more of a rec sport here then an actual means of transportation, but still. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Dont Tasemebro	Posted - 2008.10.08 16:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari You think cyclists are bad... Welcome to where I live and see every ****ing day. I think I've played this game before.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.10.08 16:34:00 - [26] The cycle paths are often littered with crap and glass and generally the upkeep is pretty poor in my experience. Pedestrians wander in and out, and my local council has helped things along by making some roads configured ... <PAVEMENT><CYCLE LANE><BUS STOP><ROAD> Therefore forcing people to leave the bus then wander across a cycle lane onto the pavement. I'd rather cycle in the road too, and she was doing the right thing by the sounds of it. Whenever cyclists cycle meekly in the gutter, people take the opportunity to barge through dangerously. If I'm cycling and think there isn't a big enough gap I make sure there isn't a big enough gap. I take the decision out of the hands of the driver. Bide your time and go around her when you get a moment. It's no big deal. I assume she doesn't stalk you and sit in front of you whenever you drive anywhere.
John McDuff Caldari Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.08 16:40:00 - [27] Heh interesting how things can differ, for me my bike is actually THE ONLY mode of transportation apart from public transit on longer distances. Now this is mostly because a driver's licence in these parts (Netherlands) is ***ing expensive on a student's budget, let alone a car. But another reason is that it is practical. As a bit of counterweight to the chaps trying to beat each other on having the car causing the most decisive and major injuries to a biker - the thing that bothers me most of all about city traffic is the dumb inbreeds that insist on taking their car around the bloody CITY. The top speed attainable by such a vehicle in such territory is about 30km/h, with all the stopping and going inbetween the damn things are hopelessly in the way. And since nobody seems to be aware of an otherwise slow bicycle it is also customary to ignore a bike's movements altogether, where in the Netherlands there are clear-cut rules about not cutting off and hitting cyclists with your very big car. On the other hand there are the cyclists themselves who (due to some past overprotective courses of action on the government part) think they can get away with pretty much everything, leading to half the stopping and going on the cars' part. Who'd fine a cyclist? right? 'inbreeds' comes to mind again. Oh and the tax argument? That will prolly differ by country, but out here car taxation doesn't even come near the finances needed to keep everyone rolling on asphalt, so in the end - most does come out of the 50% they take of everyone's income, including those on a bicycle. In the end it would all be so much nicer in the street with some consideration, common sense, and most of all looking more than 10 meters in front (and behind you once or twice) of you while operating anything with wheels. --- "Everyone speaks of my drinking, but never of my thirst"* Everyone can now start bowing down to me in an orderly fashion...
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2008.10.08 17:07:00 - [28] Originally by: Benco97 Edited by: Benco97 on 08/10/2008 10:44:27 I have a very similar annoyance actually, Horses. EVERYWHERE. They ride slowly on down the road and laugh and wave at everyone from their horse and I just think to myself "WE ARE SURROUNDED BY MILES AND MILES AND MILES OF FIELDS YET YOU INSIST ON USING THE ROADS! WHHHHYYYYYYYY?!" It very much annoys me because there are so many horse riders in my area and you never see them galloping through fields, just slowly ambling along the main roads.# Edit- and you can't beep and shout at them for fear of the horse going psycho and kicking the windscreen into your face or throwing the rider. Really annoys me.. Ok I going to say your a complete moron! Field mainly for farming and holding live stock. Also not EVERYWHERE has access for horses. Horse rider have the same dam right as a car driver! Don't like it then move to the City then. Hell Least they smiling and wave to you! I mean I come across Arrgoant Driver like you who DRIVE Fast with out due care for horse and rider! I hope you drive safe around horses tho. I mean If you just drive up there ass and fast around them I hope you get done and taken to court for dangerous driving. This rant just lame. I mean I can understand the op when people have a lane but don't use it. Tho I am a trucker and I NEVER see a problem with horse rider! Just the one don't say thanks for slowing down annoys me! Originally by: annoing As for horses, the law that protects horses and their riders (they have right of way etc) goes back to the time motorised vehicles first made an appreance. As no one could believe that cars would EVER become a serious mode of transport laws were enacted to make sure that horses got rights over cars on the roads of the UK. This is True tho only People who enforce this is the Army! Household cav and the Kings Troop. Tho other Rider tend to use the road like any other user. There a thing known as BHS road and safety and I strongly believe that this should be taken to be allowed on the road tho. PS I am a trucker/Horse Rider! Tho I hate OLD and I mean real old drivers! And foreign truck drivers Trinity Corporate Services
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.10.08 17:28:00 - [29] Chances are it's a rubbish cycle path. Believe me, we have plenty of them. --- DIY copying in Liekuri 20:1 mineral compression Eve Online folding@home team
Rawrior Gallente Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.10.08 18:22:00 - [30] installs bull bars all fixed Owing to lack of Eve-related content, signature removed. If you would like to discuss this, please mail [email protected] - Mitnal

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