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Bai ZongTong
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat
* I quit eve
your stuff?
srsly guys!
if you are leaving you should make sure ur internet spaceships dont sit and dust in hangers around the universe! leave them to me. ill make good use of them~ --- Bai ZongTong, responsible for all the lossmails in my corp. |
Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul True, tested some time ago on Sisi. No idea when it was changed.
A simple test you can do with a friend: drop a GSC get a friend with defender near it fire your missiles to the GSC your friend will try to intercept them
Lo and behold; his defender fire and intercept your missiles.
does this happen even if you're defender launching friend is in your gang?
or is it a "non-gang missile interception"?
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Borat Sangdiev
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Bai ZongTong
Originally by: RedSplat
* I quit eve
your stuff?
srsly guys!
if you are leaving you should make sure ur internet spaceships dont sit and dust in hangers around the universe! leave them to me. ill make good use of them~
hmm yea! clever and funny. I used to say stuff like this too until i trained 1 year + to absolutely specialize in the blasterthron and now to have it nerfed so badly. blah.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:29:00 -
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I am sad, because the AB Crusader I've been using for months to pwn hostiles left and right will now be even better after the speed nerf, but its biggest strength, the utter suprise factor, will be gone. ____
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Venkul Mul True, tested some time ago on Sisi. No idea when it was changed.
A simple test you can do with a friend: drop a GSC get a friend with defender near it fire your missiles to the GSC your friend will try to intercept them
Lo and behold; his defender fire and intercept your missiles.
From what I recall we were in the same gang, but from different corporations.
I was using one of my alts as the missile spammer. To test it he was firing only 1 missile from 50 Km so, I had all the time to switch character and fire the defender. In my test I was within 5 km from the container, but I think the limit is the distance from the firer, not from the target.
Still this not make the defender more useful, you still need to fire them at a target ship firing missiles and while a missile is in flight. To make it useful it would need some kind of auto firing mechanism: when one of the targeted ship fire a missile the defender ship would fire a missile, or in alternative the defender firing ship should assign one or more defenders to target ships and then, when the enemy ship fire a missile the assigned defenders fire.
Both way a noticeable change of how defenders work, essentially making them some kind of FOF weapon.
does this happen even if you're defender launching friend is in your gang?
or is it a "non-gang missile interception"?
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 08/10/2008 22:31:30 Even if defenders hit missiles aimed at other people, it still doesn't make them viable.
What makes most sense? Using a high-slot to fire a missile that hurts an enemy or use it for potentially shooting down a random missile aimed at you or a fleet mate?
In almost all cases, you're better off doing damage. The 'almost all' is a cover-my-ass statement... I can't really think of any cases where its not better to do damage....
Now, if we had dedicated defender launchers with a high RoF, that'd change somewhat. It'd change even more if it was more automatic than today.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira Even if defenders hit missiles aimed at other people, it still doesn't make them viable.
What makes most sense? Using a high-slot to fire a missile that hurts an enemy or use it for potentially shooting down a random missile aimed at you or a fleet mate?
In almost all cases, you're better off doing damage. The 'almost all' is a cover-my-ass statement... I can't really think of any cases where its not better to do damage....
Now, if we had dedicated defender launchers with a high RoF, that'd change somewhat. It'd change even more if it was more automatic than today.
alt-account drake spamming defenders to protect your entire gang might make sense.
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Borat Sangdiev I used to say stuff like this too until i trained 1 year + to absolutely specialize in the blasterthron and now to have it nerfed so badly. blah.
mwd up to them, activate scram and web.
they now cant mwd, but they can ab, and web cancels. so in worst case they're slowboating out of range while webbing you. fit a tracking enhancer and assuming your dps is ok you should be fine.
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Feilamya
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:39:00 -
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No more nano hac/recon kills with T1 cruisers
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:48:00 -
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- Even more whine about ECM and cloaks until its gone. - Blob up in drakes and ravens and learn the skill of pressing f1-f8.
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Allen Ramses
Caldari Typo Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:52:00 -
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I do not know what the differences will be post nerf, but we will see much baseless whinage prior to it. ____________________ Pimped out Raven to run level 4 missions quickly: 210 Mil ISK. Realizing your 120 Mil ISK Drake gets the job done faster: Priceless. |
murder one
Gallente Invincible Reason
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: murder one
On top of all of this, killing targets at gates while solo/small gang will be extremely hard. 50% webs won't be able to slow down the target enough before they can MWD/AB back to the gate and jump out.
Disagree here. If the target is fitted with a MWD you probably don't even need a web - just use a short range scram - he's going nowhere fast. If he's using an AB a web will have a similar effect; a much slower ship. Granted the AB ship has more chance of retreating to the gate than a MWD set up (its a more defensive ship).
C.
I disagree with your disagreement. If you're in a large (10+) gatecamp, the target is dead regardless of the upcoming patch or not, but for solo and small gang (2-3) combat the target *will* get back to the gate if you don't double web it or put a 2 point scram on it (assuming it has a MWD and not an AB), and keep it tackled, and be able to tackle it in the first place (assuming you are in range to get a point on it, which is becoming very unlikely if you only have a 9km scram fit).
When operating solo there are very very few ships out there that can tackle and either dual web or put a 24km point and a 9km double point and a web on the target *and* have a fast enough lock time to catch anything. And heaven forbid you try to do this in low sec and have to tank sentries.
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Dray
Caldari The Priory
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:55:00 -
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Lots of ideas on what may or may not happen, but I'm absolutely sure that the next win toy/tactic will attract a shit load of whining and get nerfed, and this cycle will continue until in the distant future we will be playing tic tac toe on a solar system back drop.
Even then I'm sure the noughts will demand the crosses be nerfed because they look cooler or some such shit.
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Calvin Roh
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Posted - 2008.10.09 00:06:00 -
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For all of you who are complaining bitterly about the proposed changes, let me remind you of the saying I got shoved in my face when I was a carebear making the change to a more well rounded combat pilot..
"Adapt or Die!" You took advantage of a niche opportunity that itself was an imposed loophole.
Combat will still happen, ships will still blow up. Besides, you must be getting bored of always being "sooo l33t" when you **** noobs and carebears who are just learning their way. CCP has just handed you a new reason for living - a new challenge to overcome and master.
Cheers!
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.10.09 02:36:00 -
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you forgot increase in target painter effectiviness.
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Alekanderu
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.09 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bohoba
Gal... will keep there Uber blasterboats and sniper kings. and they will conquer all of empire with there Uber ships with a wreaking hit of 2000+
what are you talking about, rokhs and apocs are MUCH better snipers than the mega, and blasterboats are hardly "uber"; sure, they do a ton of damage but they have to get very close to do it and they also have almost no hope of escaping if reinforcements show up
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Christari Zuborov
Amarr Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.10.09 02:54:00 -
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Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 09/10/2008 02:55:27 My prediction is -
Even more whines and crying about how people are getting killed because the experienced players will still kill n00bs left, right, and center, but even more effectively so because training will make more of a difference.
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Kransthow
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.10.09 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Calvin Roh well rounded combat pilot..
And what would that be
inb4 tank and gank
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.10.09 05:06:00 -
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Quote: * CCP loses a larger portion of the playerbase than they ever have before following patch introduction
wont happen right away. GTCs are 60 days now. You certainly will see many not showing up in server. Though I think many will come to pve or industrial. It's not hard to train an industrial and then shift around stuff for profit. Or whatever else is new in the upcoming expansion. Then see if pvp is even interesting anymore. If it turns out to be 500vs500 all the time. Nobody will care enough.
Quote: * Couple months down the line we start seeing 'nerf missiles/ecm/caldari' threads with great regularity
They already exist pretty well. The falcon/rook is absolutely nuts. The only reason caldari dont just up and leave now in fail warfare... ------------------------ "There was this bright flash of light - and now this egg shaped thing is on my screen - did I level up?" |
Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.10.09 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
alt-account drake spamming defenders to protect your entire gang might make sense.
an alt-account falcon permajamming like a dozen people all the time makes more sense. ------------------------ "There was this bright flash of light - and now this egg shaped thing is on my screen - did I level up?" |
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.10.09 06:29:00 -
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I'm nerf proof.
I have a high SP Gallente, Caldari, Minmatar & Amarr characters. So when uber nerfs come in that destroy one of my characters, I play the FOTM character. The nice thing is, you can do it with just two accounts.
Buy already specced chars & transfer them to one of your accounts that has nerfed character. You can't train them all 24/7, but the flexibility of being nerf proof is worth it IMO. And it's easier then moaning and complaining on the forums.
Will just chill out in my new collection of Ravens and ECM boats.
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.09 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Faife
alt-account drake spamming defenders to protect your entire gang might make sense.
an alt-account falcon permajamming like a dozen people all the time makes more sense.
WTB your falcon with 20 mids, heck, I'd but it even if it's only 12 _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button. |
SSgt Sniper
Gallente MAIDS
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Posted - 2008.10.09 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
Quote: * CCP loses a larger portion of the playerbase than they ever have before following patch introduction
wont happen right away. GTCs are 60 days now. You certainly will see many not showing up in server. Though I think many will come to pve or industrial. It's not hard to train an industrial and then shift around stuff for profit. Or whatever else is new in the upcoming expansion. Then see if pvp is even interesting anymore. If it turns out to be 500vs500 all the time. Nobody will care enough.
Quote: * Couple months down the line we start seeing 'nerf missiles/ecm/caldari' threads with great regularity
They already exist pretty well. The falcon/rook is absolutely nuts. The only reason caldari dont just up and leave now in fail warfare...
I get tired of hearing this tbh. The Rook has some flexibility, but the Falcon has such little DPS it can't even commit suicide!
People just get mad because it jams the tacklers and runs away. I got news for you, my arazu can damp the tacklers and run away as well. Can't tackle if you can only target at ten paces. The curse and pilgrim just neuts the tacklers and warps away. The rapier webs the tacklers and outruns it. SO QUIT WHINING!
As far as every fleet having one well duh! Every fleet SHOULD have one, as well as some dampage and some TDage. It's part of having a balanced friggin fleet. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
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Delichon
The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2008.10.09 07:05:00 -
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Cloacks would be the next nano.
Small gang would not die - well, at least in our ally we do roams with ships that don't have 3xOverdrives + 2xPolys in their standart fit.
People will adapt, whiners will whine, AFs will get boosted and I will get rich reselling Lachesises I bought before the nerf :) ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. They will be nerfing you directly next.
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Murkon Salesgirl
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.09 07:22:00 -
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Defenders will remain very un-usable for the primary reason that it only negates a tiny amount of the incoming dmg. It will also not work at close range as lag and the speed involve means missiles will hit you before your defender can do squat.
Turret disruptors work because they totally negate the enemy's firepower. ECM works for the same reasons, except it works against everyone.
Now, it will help minmatar ships since a lot of them have unbonused missile slots left over, they can fit 1 or 2 rocket launchers with defenders to boost their tank potential (or they could fit HAMS/Siege can get better dps..). But outside of this, not a very good option for other ships. |
Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.09 08:04:00 -
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-People will cry -I will stick it in their po0pers -Will become rich by selling nano*** tears
Not necessarily in that order.
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Doxs Roxs
Free Collective Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.10.09 08:43:00 -
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I dont know about you but from my perspective less speed means MUCH less fun. Going zoom is fun in itself.
One of the major reasons for a nanogang is that you have to do maybe 30+ jumps to get a fight, like last night, I think I easely made over a 100 jumps... Now imagine if speed and agility is reduced by 50%, each jump will take much longer. Not to mention even heavier ships will probably be fotm meaning even less speed when moving across the map...
This all boils down to even less pvp and when you finally start the pewpew, its all about ECM, missiles and remote repping... Basically, static and utterly booring combat.
Yes, I can fly RR BS and I do it regularly when needed, but its nowhere near the fun I have in my rapier...
In short, by reducing the speed of ships, even if they keep the relative speed the same, I think the game will be much less fun.
Regards /Doxs After 9 months of being a "!" face, I now discover that Im butt ugly instead... |
Confuzer
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.10.09 09:00:00 -
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My years of tranfering small amounts of real money to CCP employees has finally payed off.
Beware eve galaxy, I - as caldari - will conquer all! ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved. |
SSgt Sniper
Gallente MAIDS
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Posted - 2008.10.09 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Confuzer My years of tranfering small amounts of real money to CCP employees has finally payed off.
Beware eve galaxy, I - as caldari - will conquer all!
I was just gonna say Caldari will be sporting a lot of hardon epeens. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
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TZeer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.09 09:35:00 -
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Caldari missileships where never the big OMG overpowered DPS ship before rigs and implants got introduced.
So what have suddenly changed?
What makes them suddenly so overpowered?
Why is it overpowered for a raven to deal mediocre cruisersized damage against a cruiser? Alot of cruisers outdamage the raven with ease...
Even turret BS outdamage a cruise raven if flown properly...
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