Oooh, and I want to be able to bring my main's caps into high to harass small tower holders!!! Can I? Please? Huh, please?

This is fine, as long as -10.0 sec players are ganked and podded by Concord upon entering highsec. Fair enough?

This is fine, as long as -10.0 sec players are ganked and podded by Concord upon entering highsec. Fair enough?

Not being able to launch a bomb in hisec never made any sense. There's a red button on my dashboard. Why can't I mash buttan? Maybe have launching a bomb cause instant GCC instead.

Uhhh really ... so every HiSec gate can be bubbled so you can scan every ship coming thru ?
Big fat no.

The point I'm trying to make is that CONCORD wouldn't tolerate the use of bombs and bubbles in high-sec. However, they should still be allowed to be used. You will lose your ship if you use these things.


You can't, because caps are too big to use star gates, and high-sec systems are essentially cyno-jammed by NPCs.

It will be fair if you can provide an argument that supports such a change from a game play perspective. Your proposal has nothing to do with the one I made, and therefore can't be a tradeoff for it.

Bubbling would result in a CONCORD response if any neutral ship touches the bubble. Interdictors are expensive.

This is fine, as long as -10.0 sec players are ganked and podded by Concord upon entering highsec. Fair enough?

If high is cyno-jam by the npc's then isn't it pretty obvious that its bubble jammed as well?

uh -10 player on jita undock
uses orca to get bomber fires bomb
again, and again

same with bubbles
bubble somewhere, ok you died but i'm still stuck in a bubble.

But Un-ganged Neutrals aren't affected and are free to scan.

i think bombs should be allowed in lowsec, but that's it. bubbles stay in null, no bombs in highsec.

And the person who bubbled just lost a 50-million-ISK ship.

Absolutely.


Bubbling would result in a CONCORD response if any neutral ship touches the bubble. Interdictors are expensive.

You don't need bubbles to scan ships, and you don't need bubbles to tackle ships at gates.

To everyone else: keep in mind that I'm all for keeping the current safety mechanisms for AoE weapons for bombs. You wouldn't be able to bomb too close to a gate or station due to the "at 0" element. However, people off-range or in belts/deadspace should be fair game.

Why should smartbombs and ECM bursts be allowed, but not bombs?


As is, you can't anchor things in .8+ anyway. They can simply extend current rules to .5 and above.

And just because something is inefficient, shouldn't mean that it's arbitrarily disallowed.

It's not inefficient, it's a matter of smart-bombs and ECM burst are mounted on your ship and therefore, you accept the risk of CONCORD if you hit a neut or something, once a bubble is anchored, does CONCORD just kill the bubble and let the person who anchored go about their business.

Seems to be a "no risk" method of a ganker getting a ship who is warping-to-zero to stop may KM from a gate ....

This is fine, as long as -10.0 sec players are ganked and podded by Concord upon entering highsec. Fair enough?

My thread's request deals specifically with bomb launchers and interdictor/heavy interdictor bubbles.

If I have to address the anchored bubbles issue, then I simply suggest that the same anchoring rules apply to all areas of high-sec space. Either disallow anchoring completely, or allow it completely. If it's the latter, then CONCORD should treat anchored bubbles in the same manner that it treats ship bubbles; pop the perp if any neutral player ship touches the bubble, and the bubble itself.

Stations, additional pos buildings, and sealed containers are not directly blocking space lanes or interrupting other players. Bubbles will. And I personally don't feel like being stopped at every single freaking gate as I'm trying to quickly get across the system to help a corpmate out.

A few recent changes to game play mechanics have been a bit detrimental to the innovation-rewarding nature of the game.

And the ability to bubble you, at the expense of my ship, is an exact counter to your ability to rush to another location uninhibited.

Suicide-ganking blocks space lanes and interrupts other players. However, it is allowed. Why should bombs and bubbles be disallowed on similar grounds?

I like that you start off the basis of your request with a declaration without going into detail as to what these changes are. This would be very important, considering that this is the basis for your whole argument.

Current suicide ganks don't block nearly the amount of people that a bubble would and you know that. It would be like fish in a barrel.

And I can't believe you are still trying to pull ship cost. 50 mil is nothing when you destroy a 1 bil freighter carrying several bil in goods. Even if it was a big deal it certainly would not be counter to being stopped at every gate between Jita and Amarr.

Concorde pops the bubble on first nuetral throug it, how does that sound?

Might as well argue to just remove concord alltogether!

Uhhh really ... so every HiSec gate can be bubbled so you can scan every ship coming thru ?
Big fat no.

A bubble is also not a direct cause of death for everyone trapped in it, but at most a two-minute hindrance of their movement. Besides, what kills the freighter isn't the bubble, but direct firepower. A bunch of Tornadoes will pop that freighter regardless of whether it gets tackled or not.

Nuets and vamps are not a direct cause of death and yet you get popped for those actions as well, why should the bubble be any different for popping, or am I no longer talking to Mr. consequences in Space here?

Lets do some math.

40 Bombers, instantly kill a Jump Freighter. Cost of 40 Bombers is around 1.5Billion Isk.

Now its not hard to find a spot in Jita with 5 JumpFrieghters, 6 Frieghters, and 10 Hualers in the one place.

5 JumpFrieghters = 35B Isk
6 Freighters = 7B Isk
10 Hualers = 7B Isk

Total Damage = 49Billion Isk damage
Cost to Bombers = 1.5bi



Sounds like Profit to me.

I understand your point, but I did specifically mention that the same safeties that apply to smartbombs would apply to bomber bombs as well. That is, the bombs wouldn't work "at 0" to gates and stations. You could still nail a bunch of people who come out of a gate/get off station dock, but hey, you can do that now with smartbombs as well.

Besides, after a few days of this bombing, people will (hopefully) wise up and not just autopilot through one of Jita's many gates. Player initiative and all that. If they don't, then they can only blame themselves.

Yes you can find that many freighters off a gate in Jita.

Also your proposing bubbles in highsec also.. and that would catch 20-50 Ships in Jita easily.

Also Smartbombs only do around 2400 Volley and require 8Slot Battleship, bombs do 8000 Volley.

All of these are just numbers and not arguments against my proposal.

Numbers are a very valid Argument.


Lets take a Fleet of 300 ( The larger Alliances could get this together easily )

A fleet of 300, could effectively bubble every gate in jita indefinitely, and rain down bombs destroying EVERY ship that enters or attempts to leave jita.


JITA would be shut down, and the big alliances would not care about the cost, they do it for the lol's

Though I disagree about the "safety lock" thing. I mean, you can't really preempt the firing of an explosive device like that. Otherwise missiles would be banned too.

The risk of collateral damage is too great with a free floating dumb shell from hell. Smart bombs are at least within proximity and overview helm commands can easily dictate any distance to neutrals. And missiles are even more fool proof as they self deactivate when out of range or lose site of target and have smart tracking that has, so far in current history, ever jumped targets.

Lets do some math.

40 Bombers, instantly kill a Jump Freighter. Cost of 40 Bombers is around 1.5Billion Isk.

Now its not hard to find a spot in Jita with 5 JumpFrieghters, 6 Frieghters, and 10 Hualers in the one place.

5 JumpFrieghters = 35B Isk
6 Freighters = 7B Isk
10 Hualers = 7B Isk

Total Damage = 49Billion Isk damage
Cost to Bombers = 1.5bi



Sounds like Profit to me.

stoicfaux your ideas are kinda cool, but please don't hijack this thread ;)