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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.10.13 19:12:00 -
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Am I the only person who sees stuff like this and just... doesn't.. care? It's nice and all but it's got absolutely no basis in or impact on the actual gameplay of EVE. Don't get me wrong, I love EVE but the EVE I play has very little relation to the stories found in the player news centre. There was a time when a lot of the news stories were about actual in-game events, some that players did themselves and some special events organised by AURORA. Am I crazy for thinking of today's storyline developments as inconsequential and fake?
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.10.13 19:31:00 -
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Dear CCP Plot Gestapo,
Please stop making the Amarr invincible.
Thank you, The Gallente Federation -----
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CrayC
Gallente CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Am I the only person who sees stuff like this and just... doesn't.. care?
Nope. I found the video awesome for it's fleet-lineup, but story-wise, it didn't give me anything. "Oh, look, there's the new Emperors ship. And a lot of other ships, nice. Now, on with my life in the other end of the univers"...
Talking about this video with a friend and former player, he asked if there was as many players attending as the last coronation. I had to tell him that important events, those that must not be influenced by the players, now either takes place in the fiction alone or "during downtime", which essentially is the same, except we get videoes from the downtime ones. We saw that with the Yulai events and now the coronation. So to him it seemed that CCP has moved away from the approach of us players being able to affect the storyline and I can only say I agree with him. The time where a single player can cause mayhem in the storyline is over. And that's one of the things that can lure people into playing - that they are able to influence the outcome of the story. They still can, just not as easily as in the past
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Falaricae
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Falaricae on 13/10/2008 20:33:22
Originally by: Nyphur Am I the only person who sees stuff like this and just... doesn't.. care? It's nice and all but it's got absolutely no basis in or impact on the actual gameplay of EVE. Don't get me wrong, I love EVE but the EVE I play has very little relation to the stories found in the player news centre. There was a time when a lot of the news stories were about actual in-game events, some that players did themselves and some special events organised by AURORA. Am I crazy for thinking of today's storyline developments as inconsequential and fake?
I have to agree with you 100%. I like the stories and the vids, but it seems like I'm watching a TV show and the interaction is one sided. Take faction warfare as an example. Big news about war that would bring big chances. The result? Totally pointless fighting with no actual impact on anything. Even people fighting in it want to bring meaning in to it.
Now I know CCP is just adding extra things for some people and these are supposed to be optional. Easy PvP when you want it with no strings attached. Problem is people want actual consequenses, so why not give them that. They wanted more PvP where you can just log on and join a gang and be pretty much guaranteed to get some good fights. Casual PvP with no higher ups *****ing to you, if you don't log on regular basis or at the times that your corp/alliance wanted you. These things aren't in conflict with bringing consequenses to the actual war. The consequenses don't have to change the face of EVE, but they should at least be meaningful to the people participating.
What I fear is that when we reach the end of EVE at some distant future, all the effort and skill poured in to the backstory didn't mean anything. If huge changes happen in the EVE universe, it should have an actual effect on the capsuleers too. I know we are largely removed from everyday happenings, but massive changes should be visible to us too somehow. I would rather be a part of a living, changing universe than just read about one.
I am optimistic though. The current backstory seems to be at least relevant and focusing on events, that could potentially have real effect in the game. The fact CCP bothers making these videos shows they want to improve things. With the eventual release of ambulation the potential to integrate aspects of the story to the actual universe the players experience should be easier. Or perhaps not, guess I have to wait for the reports from fanfest to see if my hopess are warranted.
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.13 21:22:00 -
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The fact that Amarr loyalists were not allowed to attend that, and that it was completely staged and not 'actual ingame footage' takes away from the whole process.
It was also far too short. ----
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Passageway
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.13 21:26:00 -
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wow, even the video is lagged. It's also playing through a second time, even though i closed Media Player.
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Kenu Star
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Posted - 2008.10.13 21:54:00 -
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LOL All those ships must have been cloaked, I didn't see any of those (big ones) during in game coronation.
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Karunel
Princeps Corp T e r c i o s
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:19:00 -
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TBH having that many ships just destroy any sense of scale the game has. 30 titans? infinite revelations? NO thanks.
Awesome video tho. ____
Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Riple Ashman
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Posted - 2008.10.14 05:25:00 -
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Is it just me or did that seem kinda dull, i mean expected, predictable... |
Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.14 05:49:00 -
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nice although I find her voice is too old compared to her face but it might be just me having watche too many animes recently ----------------------------------------------- "I do not belive in reicarnation... I didn't believed in it in my previous lives either..."
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Adaera
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:15:00 -
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Edited by: Adaera on 14/10/2008 09:15:09 Wow That's a lot of dreads >_< ... Somebody get Chribba up there to fit them. Think of the veldspar!
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Karade What I don't understand is this: That fleet shown is just one regional fleet, albeit probably the largest and most powerful. However, it compares in size with the fleet the Caldari sent into Luminaire, roughly 5000 ships, 2 of which were Titans plus 'hundreds of capital ships' (i.e. 200-900), representing the bulk of the Caldari Navy....
... so how the hell have the Amarr not steamrollered all the other empires if they can muster all that in one regional fleet?? Are the Gallente and Caldari Navy's overall, more capital 'heavy' than the Amarr or something? Or are the Amarr ships all clunky old 'bridge-crews' whilst the Gallente and Caldari are all pod-piloted? We know the Gallente are supposed to out gun HethÆs Navy by about 4:1 but still... if the Amarr can muster that in one fleet...
*cough* Screwed up back-story again *cough*
Caldari Navy is technologically the most advanced Navy, its size is relatively small compared to the others given it was dominated in their early years by the Gallente. Caldari since shrugging that monkey off their back is I think lore-wise the strongest nation economically and fastest expanding military power, however, they came from a long way back.
Anyway, that is my understanding of the lore.
Eventually, Caldari will dominate all. ;)
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Sareth Leverpuller
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Posted - 2008.10.14 19:29:00 -
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As a proud member of the glorious caldari state, I am glad that they our my ally. The Caldari and Amarr shall wipe all democracy from this land and bring forth a golden age! Huzzah!
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Pnandor
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:31:00 -
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Awesome video and amazing work !
It was very enjoyable and I like CCP alot
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 15/10/2008 22:18:08
Originally by: Falaricae I am optimistic though. The current backstory seems to be at least relevant and focusing on events, that could potentially have real effect in the game. The fact CCP bothers making these videos shows they want to improve things. With the eventual release of ambulation the potential to integrate aspects of the story to the actual universe the players experience should be easier. Or perhaps not, guess I have to wait for the reports from fanfest to see if my hopess are warranted.
At the time, they could have gone one of two ways. Either they were going to redesign in-game events to work on a larger scale (meaning they could design one event for thousands of players and really get their money's worth) or they were going to cancel them all. Unfortunatley, they went with the cheap cancel option. They officially disbanded AURORA and cancelled all current and future plotlines at the time. Since then they've moved to entirely fictional plot with no apparant ties to any in-game events and there seems to be no indication of that changing. Apart from rare news coverage of player-organised events and the faction warfare coverage they had, it's all just fictional stories. The production costs of just writing a story are a lot lower than those of designing and running an in-game event, of course, but it's still really disappointing.
I wrote an article about this just over a year ago if you fancy having a read.
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:55:00 -
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loved the video, more of them pls :)
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:59:00 -
[167]
I wonder if she has read this........
Evil Empiress Guide Play nice while you butcher each other.
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VmeeX
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Dear CCP Plot Gestapo,
Please stop making the Amarr invincible.
Thank you, The Gallente Federation
LOL you are kinda cute but yes For the Gallente Federation!!
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:03:00 -
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It's a perfectly legitimate complaint. The Caldari suffered almost no losses and the Amarr lost a few million citizens. The Minmatar lost an entire fleet to an "Earth superweapon" that Jamyl quite literally just happened to find lying around - and the fact that she's alive at all completely goes against the entire previous canon of the game. The Gallente have lost sovreignty of a planet in their own home system and just let it happen.
CCP are unfairly favouring the Amarr and the Caldari in the story, and it's damn annoying for Gallente and Minmatar roleplayers. Both the Caldari and the Amarr have suffered no serious military defeats in the past five years, the Caldari supposedly has the technological edge and the Amarr are now revealed to have a fleet of ships for a single region that exceeds the firepower of Goonfleet and Band of Brothers combined. I'd object if that represented a sizeable percentage of their overall fleet. Meanwhile, the novel claims that the Minmatar economy is supposedly unable of producing more than a couple of Titans and a handful of captial ships, and the Gallente are portrayed as unable to muster enough forces to put up any noticeable resistance to attacks on their home system.
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Dyaven
Interstellar Mining and Research
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:02:00 -
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Goddamn, look at all of those Avatars! Think the Amarrians are compensating for something?
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Anig Browl
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.17 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Am I the only person who sees stuff like this and just... doesn't.. care? It's nice and all but it's got absolutely no basis in or impact on the actual gameplay of EVE. Don't get me wrong, I love EVE but the EVE I play has very little relation to the stories found in the player news centre. There was a time when a lot of the news stories were about actual in-game events, some that players did themselves and some special events organised by AURORA. Am I crazy for thinking of today's storyline developments as inconsequential and fake?
THIS. I absolutely cannot stand seeing 'news' when I log in that has absolutely nothing to do with how the game is played. I end up ignoring it, then missing genuine important news, then getting annoyed with meaningless fictional fluff.
Fan fiction is nice, I admire it - in fact, I think it should be rewarded with GTCs by fan votes. Chronicles, videos, news articles about things like the economy of the Minmatar Republic or whatever are a complete waste of time.
As a capsuleer, all I care about is 'does this make space a more or less dangerous place to fly? Can I make ISK off it?'. That's the role I play - a space pilot struggling to get ahead in New Eden. If I can't interact with it, it's not part of my roleplay experience.
I want IN GAME CONTENT. If I want science fiction that's meant to be read rather than played, I go to the library.
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Anig Browl
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.17 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Karade What I don't understand is this: That fleet shown is just one regional fleet, albeit probably the largest and most powerful. However, it compares in size with the fleet the Caldari sent into Luminaire, roughly 5000 ships, 2 of which were Titans plus 'hundreds of capital ships' (i.e. 200-900), representing the bulk of the Caldari Navy....
... so how the hell have the Amarr not steamrollered all the other empires if they can muster all that in one regional fleet??
For that matter, how come I've been flying around Domain most of my game life and I always see the same NPC ships? Shouldn't I see an Amarr Navy dreadnaught, Titan or something just occasionally, going from A to B on the empire's business? NPCs don't seem to have any life outside missions. For that matter, you'll never learn a new trade route by following an NPC hauler, or...you get the idea.
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Lunas Whisper
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Posted - 2008.10.17 18:05:00 -
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I'm surprised the Minmatar empire didn't choose that as a great time to launch a few raids.
Nice vid.
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Lunas Whisper
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Posted - 2008.10.17 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Roale Tharan I thought it was awsome, with only one flaw.
Where was the Sudden Gallante Stealth Bomber attack ala Pearl Harbour. Just as she is crowned a siren goes off and the call "Gallante Comimng in Quick, someone opened a jump field for them. All Wings Engage"
Then all hell breaks loose, then i can be happy and die in peace.
Yeah this.
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Lunas Whisper
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Posted - 2008.10.17 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Zilli Zilp Since when are kings and empresses talking in the first person?
pluralis majestatis should ring a bell.
Why is it that you think that Amarr care about our old earthly customs?
Royalty often love "Tradition". It's instilled in them, in the stuffy private schools.
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Walter Model
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.10.18 01:19:00 -
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WTB: Hot Calander with Jamyl picture _______________________________________________
"If the tanks succeed, then victory follows.", Guderian, 1937.
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Timotheus Siberius
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.18 06:31:00 -
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Edited by: Timotheus Siberius on 18/10/2008 06:31:02 Not bad, although I expected some empress walking in a station...
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Luther Gorn
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Posted - 2008.10.18 16:18:00 -
[178]
Nice!
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