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DJ FunkyBacon
Eve Radio Corporation
48
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:23:00 -
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Thanks to the nearly thousand people that tuned in this evening, and the others who will get to listen over the coming days. It's been a pleasure as always. Hopefully we did a good job representing all available sides in this issue, and have raised some awareness, and sparked some productive discussions for people.
At the very least, we bothered to ask the people involved on both sides of the story rather than just making assumptions on random tips and half truths.
Until next time! |

Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
122
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:25:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Zirise wrote:Now that someone has posted Mittens' real life address along with a threat to **** his wife can we expect the same media circus, public shaming and bans for violating the EULA? (Not to mention a criminal conviction.) Oh right its not cyber-bullying if it happens to a goon because ~live by the sword. Of course you should. Anybody doing such a thing should be immediately banned from eve online and reported to the authorities. Its bad when the goons do this stuff, its bad when anybody else does it. Keep eve online to in-game conflict and everyone is happy. You aren't being asked for anything that is remotely unreasonable. This is the only post you've made recently that does not require a youtube video |

Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:27:00 -
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Townsend Harris wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Zirise wrote:Now that someone has posted Mittens' real life address along with a threat to **** his wife can we expect the same media circus, public shaming and bans for violating the EULA? (Not to mention a criminal conviction.) Oh right its not cyber-bullying if it happens to a goon because ~live by the sword. Of course you should. Anybody doing such a thing should be immediately banned from eve online and reported to the authorities. Its bad when the goons do this stuff, its bad when anybody else does it. Keep eve online to in-game conflict and everyone is happy. You aren't being asked for anything that is remotely unreasonable. This is the only post you've made recently that does not require a youtube video
Odd, isn't it? |

Hamshoe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:28:00 -
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Townsend Harris wrote:Hamshoe wrote:Townsend Harris wrote:Hamshoe wrote: Yes, in the context that people shouldn't say bad things about him because it makes EVE look bad. OMG maybe DUST is in danger if people hear what kind of a jerk he is! You see, he's the real victim but now he's taking it upon himself to try and protect CCP.
It's artless crap.
Because when they read about him its not going to say GTA 5 player or MW 3 Player its says EVE ONLINE PLAYER, MADE BY CCP GAMES PARTNERED WITH SONY. My god there are some dumb people in Test but NPC corps seems to collect the real bottom feeding idiots. Yeah, that's the important part. Everyone should just pretend he's the victim, otherwise CCP gets it in the neck. That turd needs another coat of paint. Try again. SO wait...YOu're saying that after hearing a civilized talk between Mittani and the journalist who wrote and introduced the 'cyber bullying' idea, which was picked up with by OTHER gaming media sites and then picked up HERE in these idiotic forums by NPC morons like yourself where in said journalist TOTALLY retracted the cyber bullying statement that the Mittani has not in any way been victimized, even inadvertently, by the MEDIA? and that said media **** storm will have no effect on CCP, Dust, or Eve. This is NOT a discussion about fanfest, its a discussion about media coverage and the damage done to the person who is Mittani, CCP, and Eve online the game.
Well that's certainly how someone is at pains to spin it.
It's all about he damage done to the poor jerk who apologies by saying he was really drunk. And we all need to line up behind that for the good of CCP.
In the real world, CCP can take care of themselves. They've got plenty of leeway to react and if it becomes necessary they will. I've got no sympathy for anyone who stands up drunk in a public broadcast and reveals themselves as an idiot. Even less when they try to spin themselves as the victim of having been noticed.
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Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
122
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:30:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:certainly, but you said this: Townsend Harris wrote: I say yet because if something happens vis a vie relations with Sony/DUST then maybe CCP could show damages, and have a good case when they point out edited articles, this interview, etc.
Sigh, I'm not a lawyer but if I was my case would go like this: Your honor, we, CCP, we're accused in the media of allowing cyber bullying. This caused our partnership with sony to fall apart. Under an intense amount of pressure we were then forced to make changes to our game that caused most of our very loyal customers to quit and stop playing. However the record will show that the articles written that contained references to cyber bullying have all been edited to remove that sensational claim and this webcast radio interview has the journalist in question who wrote said article fully retracting his statement that this was cyber bullying. Clearly the name of CCP games has be unjustly libeled and we demand compensation. If what Mittani said was an whatever to suicide, and I highly doubt a wikipedia article is the BEST source to go to find that out, that would be an entirely separate case. |

Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
122
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:31:00 -
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Hamshoe wrote:
Well that's certainly how someone is at pains to spin it.
It's all about he damage done to the poor jerk who apologies by saying he was really drunk. And we all need to line up behind that for the good of CCP.
In the real world, CCP can take care of themselves. They've got plenty of leeway to react and if it becomes necessary they will. I've got no sympathy for anyone who stands up drunk in a public broadcast and reveals themselves as an idiot. Even less when they try to spin themselves as the victim of having been noticed.
So how do you feel about Mel Gibson? |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1845
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:32:00 -
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Townsend Harris wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Zirise wrote:Now that someone has posted Mittens' real life address along with a threat to **** his wife can we expect the same media circus, public shaming and bans for violating the EULA? (Not to mention a criminal conviction.) Oh right its not cyber-bullying if it happens to a goon because ~live by the sword. Of course you should. Anybody doing such a thing should be immediately banned from eve online and reported to the authorities. Its bad when the goons do this stuff, its bad when anybody else does it. Keep eve online to in-game conflict and everyone is happy. You aren't being asked for anything that is remotely unreasonable. This is the only post you've made recently that does not require a youtube video
So while we're able to speak as reasonable adults for a moment. Can you at least understand what the issue is in general here? Its not as Alexander Gianturco has portrayed this evening about a liberal media wanting to turn eve online into hello killy (or whatever) its with non SA eve players wanting conflict in this game kept to ingame conflict. There is no need for all the bullying and harrassment of the players behind the characters - thats simply crass.
We are all playing this game because we like the excitement and consequences of a full on pvp setting. Everyone who keeps playing understands that its a game of ruthless intrigues and bloody violence in space. All that is asked of the SA community is that you respect the boundaries between in-game conflict and ooc harrassment and make sure you stay on the right side of the line.
Burn Jita all you like. Grief ice-miners all year if you like, rob and steal and despoil and spread horror and suffering (in-game). But don't get into the business of trying to push real people out of the game with out of game metagaming and harrassment and none of us will have any problems.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
654
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:36:00 -
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Townsend Harris wrote:Doc Fury wrote:certainly, but you said this: Townsend Harris wrote: I say yet because if something happens vis a vie relations with Sony/DUST then maybe CCP could show damages, and have a good case when they point out edited articles, this interview, etc.
Sigh, I'm not a lawyer but if I was my case would go like this: Your honor, we, CCP, we're accused in the media of allowing cyber bullying. This caused our partnership with sony to fall apart. Under an intense amount of pressure we were then forced to make changes to our game that caused most of our very loyal customers to quit and stop playing. However the record will show that the articles written that contained references to cyber bullying have all been edited to remove that sensational claim and this webcast radio interview has the journalist in question who wrote said article fully retracting his statement that this was cyber bullying. Clearly the name of CCP games has be unjustly libeled and we demand compensation. If what Mittani said was an whatever to suicide, and I highly doubt a wikipedia article is the BEST source to go to find that out, that would be an entirely separate case.
Opposing counsel would simply show the video (that was distributed world-wide) where during a CCP sanctioned and hosted event a guy named Alex who was elected and vetted by CCP as a CSM representative enticed an audience to encourage a player to commit real life suicide. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Hamshoe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:37:00 -
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Townsend Harris wrote:Hamshoe wrote:
Well that's certainly how someone is at pains to spin it.
It's all about he damage done to the poor jerk who apologies by saying he was really drunk. And we all need to line up behind that for the good of CCP.
In the real world, CCP can take care of themselves. They've got plenty of leeway to react and if it becomes necessary they will. I've got no sympathy for anyone who stands up drunk in a public broadcast and reveals themselves as an idiot. Even less when they try to spin themselves as the victim of having been noticed.
So how do you feel about Mel Gibson?
It's a good analogy. He'll also claim that's not really who he is and that he's being judged unfairly.
It's just that demon liquor. Not the jerk it reveals, huh? |

OfBalance
Caldari State
351
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:38:00 -
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Zirise wrote:Now that someone has posted Mittens' real life address along with a threat to **** his wife can we expect the same media circus, public shaming and bans for violating the EULA? (Not to mention a criminal conviction.) Oh right its not cyber-bullying if it happens to a goon because ~live by the sword. edit: http://twitter.com/#!/LiangNuren/status/185924104279425024
Hooooooly ****.
Can we get a GM confirming that insane person is banned and preferably being arrested? |

Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
183
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:39:00 -
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Thread is rapidly degenerating into this:
http://bit.ly/qbjywZ |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1845
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:42:00 -
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OfBalance wrote:Zirise wrote:Now that someone has posted Mittens' real life address along with a threat to **** his wife can we expect the same media circus, public shaming and bans for violating the EULA? (Not to mention a criminal conviction.) Oh right its not cyber-bullying if it happens to a goon because ~live by the sword. edit: http://twitter.com/#!/LiangNuren/status/185924104279425024 Hooooooly ****. Can we get a GM confirming that insane person is banned and preferably being arrested?
According to the chatlogs of the eve radio channel somebody (player X) posted an address. They should be petitioned and if it ends up being the real one they should face action for harrassment against a player of the game.
Then somebody else (player y) made a very inappropriate remark in reference to the address. That too needs to the petitioned and a warning and potential ban issued.
I'm sure CCP will deal with it in an even handed fashion. RL harrassment of any player of the game is completely unacceptable.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Grumpy Owly
538
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:50:00 -
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What people may be forgetting is there are real life implications for public labels. References for various reasons may use an internet search these days to research a person's history and character, the idea of using Facebook as a supplementary tool for consideration in job interviews being a classic example.
Similarly things like financial applications or even just school teachers checking the background of parents for a childs admitttance are all potentially relevant to consider.
Wether these things are applicable to Mittens is really not our buisness at the end of the day but as such I think people need to take a step back and ask themselves (despite culpability) wether the gravity of what happened at Fanfest needs to mean someone's life potentially effected to the extent of being labelled a "Cyberbully".
I for one see the correction in the media not only helpfull to CCP and the EvE community to remove any possibilities of harmfull generalisations derived from the reports but as such I see it as a helpfull part of the healing process for those concerned.
Lessons have been learned I think, apologies have been issued and Mittens has acknowledged his punishment in the process as valid, however acceptance of that is up to each person to consider of course, I can't dictate that to you. But for me I'm happy to forgive Mittens for a moment of folly in order that he can get his own real life issues together. I think he is owed that if we are to give any credance to the RL relevance of the issues surrounding it and I hope the healing process continues. Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |

Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:51:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:All that is asked of the SA community is that you respect the boundaries between in-game conflict and ooc harrassment and make sure you stay on the right side of the line.
That's literally what mittens said in the interview. You should listen to it. |

Allandi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:52:00 -
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So he enters a highly public (at least to the gaming community) political position, gets trashed and calls for the harassment 'till suicide of a fellow player. Then complains that people are calling him a cyber bully. Wha-what?
He apologized, and you have to give him credit for that, but he gave up the rights of anonymity when he willingly ran for CSM. He gave up the right to not be called a cyber bully when he got drunk and attempted to bully someone into suicide.
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Zirise
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
95
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:58:00 -
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Allandi wrote:when he got drunk and attempted to bully someone into suicide.
If you can't differentiate between a drunken 'ha hah' gone wrong and a genuine inttent to cause harm then I'm truly sorry for you.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1845
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:01:00 -
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Sir Marksalot wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:All that is asked of the SA community is that you respect the boundaries between in-game conflict and ooc harrassment and make sure you stay on the right side of the line.
That's literally what mittens said in the interview. You should listen to it.
Well you'd help his case immensely if you started to accept the need for this also.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1374
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:04:00 -
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Great show. |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
655
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:05:00 -
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Zirise wrote:Allandi wrote:when he got drunk and attempted to bully someone into suicide.
If you can't differentiate between a drunken 'ha hah' gone wrong and a genuine inttent to cause harm then I'm truly sorry for you.
The legal system (and common sense) does not differentiate drunk vs sober when rendering decisions of this nature.
"i was drunk, but I swear she was 18 Your Honor".
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Caimeka
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:05:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:All that is asked of the SA community is that you respect the boundaries between in-game conflict and ooc harrassment and make sure you stay on the right side of the line.
That's literally what mittens said in the interview. You should listen to it. Well you'd help his case immensely if you started to accept the need for this also. (and by *you* I do largely mean SA members on Eve online forums)
I would like to order a 2 dollar sucky sucky
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1846
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:12:00 -
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Caimeka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:All that is asked of the SA community is that you respect the boundaries between in-game conflict and ooc harrassment and make sure you stay on the right side of the line.
That's literally what mittens said in the interview. You should listen to it. Well you'd help his case immensely if you started to accept the need for this also. (and by *you* I do largely mean SA members on Eve online forums) I would like to order a 2 dollar sucky sucky
case in point.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Zirise
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
95
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:14:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Zirise wrote:Allandi wrote:when he got drunk and attempted to bully someone into suicide.
If you can't differentiate between a drunken 'ha hah' gone wrong and a genuine inttent to cause harm then I'm truly sorry for you. The legal system (and common sense) does not differentiate drunk vs sober when rendering decisions of this nature. e.g.: "i was drunk, and being an *******, but I swear she was 18 Your Honor".
Drunkenness aside, someone who was trying to make a funny in bad taste is not the same as someone genuinely advocating someone to kill themselves. |

Zirise
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
96
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:17:00 -
[113] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Caimeka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:All that is asked of the SA community is that you respect the boundaries between in-game conflict and ooc harrassment and make sure you stay on the right side of the line.
That's literally what mittens said in the interview. You should listen to it. Well you'd help his case immensely if you started to accept the need for this also. (and by *you* I do largely mean SA members on Eve online forums) I would like to order a 2 dollar sucky sucky case in point.
There's nothing wrong with ooc harassment as long as its directed at characters within the game. This is eve after all and not everyone role-plays a transexual hooker.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040724180503/http://www.mordante.demon.co.uk/Maison.htm
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
657
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:21:00 -
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Zirise wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Zirise wrote:Allandi wrote:when he got drunk and attempted to bully someone into suicide.
If you can't differentiate between a drunken 'ha hah' gone wrong and a genuine inttent to cause harm then I'm truly sorry for you. The legal system (and common sense) does not differentiate drunk vs sober when rendering decisions of this nature. e.g.: "i was drunk, and being an *******, but I swear she was 18 Your Honor". Drunkenness aside, someone who was trying to make a funny in bad taste is not the same as someone genuinely advocating someone to kill themselves.
So you are saying we should chalk this up to levity, or just some playful grab-assing?
The video evidence states otherwise very clearly, especially when you consider the in-game player's name was spelled out in precise detail after disclosing he said he was suicidal and along with the exact words: "if you want to make the guy kill himself his name is xxxx" The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1846
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:22:00 -
[115] - Quote
Zirise wrote:[ There's nothing wrong with ooc harassment as long as its directed at characters within the game. This is eve after all and not everyone role-plays a transexual hooker.
How exactly can you direct Out of Character harrassment at a "character in game"? Lets face it, you are trying (albeit unsuccessfully) to harrass the player behind the character and since we're talking here entirely as players (me).
Just like several years ago Alexander Gianturco almost certainly was involved in sending the url you just liniked to my clients in a city of london bank I was working for at that time with an accusation I (the player) was working as an "internet prostitute" and person of low moral fibre.
Now thats a direct ooc attempt at harrassment and damaging my rl work. Very much the same kind of thing that Alexander Gianturco is now claiming against Massively and the gaming media.
I am sure you can see the connection.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Zirise
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
96
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:25:00 -
[116] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Zirise wrote:[ There's nothing wrong with ooc harassment as long as its directed at characters within the game. This is eve after all and not everyone role-plays a transexual hooker. How exactly can you direct Out of Character harrassment at a "character in game"? Lets face it, you are trying (albeit unsuccessfully) to harrass the player behind the character and since we're talking here entirely as players (me). Just like several years ago Alexander Gianturco almost certainly was involved in sending the url you just liniked to my clients in a city of london bank I was working for at that time with an accusation I (the player) was working as an "internet prostitute" and person of low moral fibre. Now thats a direct ooc attempt at harrassment and damaging my rl work. Very much the same kind of thing that Alexander Gianturco is now claiming against Massively and the gaming media. I am sure you can see the connection.
Waving the url around these forums isn't harassment, because you can opt out at any time. It's the internet.
People sending it to your workplace absolutely crosses a line but so does your implying that 'Alex' was involved. |

Zirise
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
96
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:27:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Zirise wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Zirise wrote:Allandi wrote:when he got drunk and attempted to bully someone into suicide.
If you can't differentiate between a drunken 'ha hah' gone wrong and a genuine inttent to cause harm then I'm truly sorry for you. The legal system (and common sense) does not differentiate drunk vs sober when rendering decisions of this nature. e.g.: "i was drunk, and being an *******, but I swear she was 18 Your Honor". Drunkenness aside, someone who was trying to make a funny in bad taste is not the same as someone genuinely advocating someone to kill themselves. So you are saying we should chalk this up to levity, or just some playful grab-assing? The video evidence states otherwise very clearly, especially when you consider the in-game player's name was spelled out in precise detail after disclosing he said he was suicidal and along with the exact words: "if you want to make the guy kill himself his name is xxxx"
People tell people to kill themselves all the time on the internet, it's virtually never intended to be taken as serious. The Mittani, in a moment of drunkenness forgot that this culture doesn't extend to the world at large. It really is that simple. |

Allandi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:28:00 -
[118] - Quote
Zirise wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Zirise wrote:Allandi wrote:when he got drunk and attempted to bully someone into suicide.
If you can't differentiate between a drunken 'ha hah' gone wrong and a genuine inttent to cause harm then I'm truly sorry for you. The legal system (and common sense) does not differentiate drunk vs sober when rendering decisions of this nature. e.g.: "i was drunk, and being an *******, but I swear she was 18 Your Honor". Drunkenness aside, someone who was trying to make a funny in bad taste is not the same as someone genuinely advocating someone to kill themselves.
You're right, and it's likely a joke watching the video (I don't pretend to know the guy's thoughts). Some people can even get away with this type of behavior. But refer back toward the political position part of my post.
Why is it so surprising there were political attacks on the guy? He's a political figure (and a polarizing one) that made a huge political mistake on camera. Were the roles reversed (for someone that goons hate) you can bet the same attacks would come.
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Zirise
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
96
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:31:00 -
[119] - Quote
Allandi wrote:Zirise wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Zirise wrote:Allandi wrote:when he got drunk and attempted to bully someone into suicide.
If you can't differentiate between a drunken 'ha hah' gone wrong and a genuine inttent to cause harm then I'm truly sorry for you. The legal system (and common sense) does not differentiate drunk vs sober when rendering decisions of this nature. e.g.: "i was drunk, and being an *******, but I swear she was 18 Your Honor". Drunkenness aside, someone who was trying to make a funny in bad taste is not the same as someone genuinely advocating someone to kill themselves. You're right, and it's likely a joke watching the video (I don't pretend to know the guy's thoughts). Some people can even get away with this type of behavior. But refer back toward the political position part of my post. Why is it so surprising there were political attacks on the guy? He's a political figure (and a polarizing one) that made a huge political mistake on camera. Were the roles reversed (for someone that goons hate) you can bet the same attacks would come.
Oh I'm not surprised at all. That's exactly what all of this is-- political.
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Allandi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:34:00 -
[120] - Quote
Then whats the problem? Do you complain this much about real life political commercials which expose another candidate's youthful indiscretions? |
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