Same happends in tq, only change that could change that is getting supercap seeding back to the game so others can go into supers as well so less crying.

LMAO your SO funny....

Put 8 acceleration gates just 160km below the station.

6 have restrictions. 1 is ffa subcaps. 1 is ffa.

Also plex and faction mods.

Whatever we are changing: It should not require us (CCP QA and ISD) to do more work than we are were doing earlier. For example it will not be possible for us to enforce any additional rules - for example it takes quite a bit to ban a player from Singularity - time which could be used for finding bugs.

Super-capitals: We will have a closer look at them for sure, but I have no idea yet if and what we are changing.

Regarding acceleration gates: Do you have any good ideas about how to avoid camping the acceleration gate itself? It would be nearly useless, if we would have a acceleration to an area without capitals, when the capitals are camping the acceleration gate itself.

There is very little reasoning in the previous responses, you should make yourselves familiar with why the rules changed to what they are now and make suggestions in line with the goals of this post, because ultimately we want an efficient system which requires very little maintenance.

If your solution involves making something that doesn't exist on TQ it's likely to not be considered.

Also think outside the box eg. Should there be a testing constellation instead of a testing system?

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Regarding acceleration gates: Do you have any good ideas about how to avoid camping the acceleration gate itself? It would be nearly useless, if we would have a acceleration to an area without capitals, when the capitals are camping the acceleration gate itself.

Problems with fixes suggested:
1. Acceleration gates - this doesn't stop people, simply camp the acceleration gate with your "oversized" ship.

Like already mentioned, it does if you put them on the station grid. The problem would perhaps be with the warp-in point in the dead-space behind the gate, where people could now camp the spot where you will land, but at least they will be of the same size as you.

Just had an idea about this one, perhaps there could be an invulnerable period when spooling up for the accelleration gate? SImilar to what happens on a station undock, but happens as soon as you hit warp when you are within 2500 meters.

Wouldn't stop bubbles, but not many people would get thrills out of bubbling gates when caps are around

Reduce the timers when logging off etc (so you disappear quickly). I've lost a number of supercaps to "probers" just because they feel it's enjoyable to kill someone after they log out - regardless if they were in the consensual combat or not.

/c

I don't doubt this is a problem, but isnt that how it functions on TQ?

It is, I was under the impression how to update the SiSi rules though - and while this isn't a rule change and CCP saying that they want more time spent on bugs rather than investigating people breaking the rules, a thing like this could make more time for bugspending since less risk of people breaking rules by non-consensual combat.

/c

Also think outside the box eg. Should there be a testing constellation instead of a testing system?

i still keep with my suggestion of having a mirror every 1.5 months or near that. since i hate long mirrors because im stuck to the same ship for a LONG time. and can't test any other ships :3

Hi again!

We had a meeting today to talk about this topic and we are now exploring several options to improve things (mostly through new tools). We won't change any rules right now, but we'll announce changes to rules and support as soon as we have anything ready.

We are mostly looking into splitting the combat system into two systems - but this is not fully decided yet, as we will need additional support (cyno jammer and similar). Several other changes were also discussed (like changes to the mirror script and station seeding), but this will need more work.

Thank you all for helping out in this thread! I'll keep you updated, as soon as we have anything ready.

It is, I was under the impression how to update the SiSi rules though - and while this isn't a rule change and CCP saying that they want more time spent on bugs rather than investigating people breaking the rules, a thing like this could make more time for bugspending since less risk of people breaking rules by non-consensual combat.

/c

My biggest issue is the podding being allowed. I understand the accidental smartbombs. but outright podding can be a massive inconvience, especially if your traveling from a great distance to test ship fits and potency of modules. people do forget to change locations for the medical clone and have to travel that distance back.

Solution: Remove super-caps from eve.

Reimburse SP, lose some bitter-vet players, gain new people after friends tell them how much better the game is.

Obviously my vote's for combat constellation. Perhaps it should be lowsec to reduce the gate & station camping, via gateguns? Also to remove the issue of bubbles except for systems where interdictors and HICs are permitted?

How easily could you remove the station guns from a specific lowsec station? And the sec hit of killing people in such a system? Or make a nullsec system act like low/high sec w.r.t. bubbles, supers?

Hi again!

We had a meeting today to talk about this topic and we are now exploring several options to improve things (mostly through new tools). We won't change any rules right now, but we'll announce changes to rules and support as soon as we have anything ready.

We are mostly looking into splitting the combat system into two systems - but this is not fully decided yet, as we will need additional support (cyno jammer and similar). Several other changes were also discussed (like changes to the mirror script and station seeding), but this will need more work.

Thank you all for helping out in this thread! I'll keep you updated, as soon as we have anything ready.

...several systems will not work, i'll tell you now. if you split capitals and subcaps from each other, you will make capitals almost completly useless since i can't think of a subcap that would willingly fight an army of capitals...

A single sub-capital wouldn't want to fight an army of capitals, but sub-capitals don't want to see a single capital ship killing everything in the FFA combat areas.

If they implement the split systems, sub-capitals could easily form a fleet to wage combat against the capitals. Or the capitals can ask for a duel from sub-capital fleets.

At the very least, the use of super-capitals needs to be limited. They cannot be seeded, as that would be pure chaos, but it is unfair to sub-capital and regular capital pilots for super-capital owners to have the only "I WIN!" button on SiSi. Fleets can be formed to combat them, but it is rare to see that happen.

Personally, I've stopped going to the FFA arenas. If I've needed to test something, I've asked for a duel, or dueled with my alts.

several systems will not work, i'll tell you now. if you split capitals and subcaps from each other, you will make capitals almost completly useless since i can't think of a subcap that would willingly fight an army of capitals...

Which is the entire point people are trying to make. Subcaps don't want to fight the capitals.

o yeah, i agree, supers must be gotten rid of. but not normal capitals, they are fine. normal capitals can't **** a CA on their own, carriers don't do enough dps usually. and dreads can't track, can't point(usually), and can't lock fast enough in most cases if the subcap has some mind....

I'll probably get booed for saying this, but how about only allowing player access to Sisi on a limited number of days and for specific reasons? As it stands, it seems like some people dedicate themselves to playing their space ship games on Sisi instead of TQ, and to me, that's bad. Let people try things out and fail with consequences, not with the safety blanket that Sisi provides.

I've noticed that a particular group of test server warriors enjoy ECM bursting supercapitals logging off at the station in order to gank them at their logoff spot.

Stronger Monitoring on the rules relating from TQ to Sisi purchases, it is well known that certain players on Singularity are paying on TQ to use somebody's supercapital on Sisi as well as other services/items.

Shame ECM burst doesn't work on super capitals anymore

capitals aren't the problem supercapitals are. normal capitals are easily avoided while supercaps aren't.

and i Quote myself:


last post i'll make about supers/capitals since we are sticking on it too much

it still aggresses them

Two requests:

]1) Seed faction ships and ammo.[/b] I can understand not seeding high-end deadspace/officer mods that are hardly ever used on the real server, but faction ships and especially faction ammo are frequently used on TQ. In fact, I'd argue that any balance testing that doesn't include faction ammo is worthless.

2) Enforce SiSi rules with TQ bans.[/b] None of this "please don't do it" nonsense, create a set of rules that allow testing to function properly and then ban anyone who ignores them. Sure, you can't catch every violation, but maybe if people were putting their TQ accounts at risk they might think twice about things like station camping or bringing supercapitals into the frigate arena.

Common faction ammos such as supplied by the 4 main factions would be fine, as would cap boosters, HOWEVER faction ships are not. It has been proven time and time again that the seeding of faction ships causes more harm than good.

As for the TQ ban, that's just plain stupid. Actions on sisi don't (and shouldn't) affect TQ, just as any action done on TQ after a mirror is applied does no affect sisi.

Refusing to seed faction ships creates a completely unrealistic testing environment. Faction ships on TQ are fairly cheap (some even cheaper than comparable T2 ships) and popular in PvP. In fact, I suspect that they're even more popular than T3 cruisers, which are still seeded normally.



Why shouldn't they have any effect? If you aren't mature enough to follow basic rules, then you don't need to be playing EVE on either server.

Hi again!

We had a meeting today to talk about this topic and we are now exploring several options to improve things (mostly through new tools). We won't change any rules right now, but we'll announce changes to rules and support as soon as we have anything ready.

We are mostly looking into splitting the combat system into two systems - but this is not fully decided yet, as we will need additional support (cyno jammer and similar). Several other changes were also discussed (like changes to the mirror script and station seeding), but this will need more work.

Thank you all for helping out in this thread! I'll keep you updated, as soon as we have anything ready.

I think it's a good idea to into "splitting the combat system into two systems -" C-6 for sub-caps and EZA for super cap/ capital
things should work out in the two testing systems. C-6 <--------cyno jamming

if you're complaining about rule xyz not being enforced or sisi being unfair, log-of
if you're complaining about other players, htfu, you didn't really die, all your stuff will be back with the next mirro

IMO all rules should just be discarded.

[quote=Tas Nok]if you're complaining about rule xyz not being enforced or sisi being unfair, log-o
if you're complaining about other players, htfu, you didn't really die, all your stuff will be back with the next mirro[/quote

Sorry, but that's just stupid. If I log onto the test server to test something and I keep getting killed by someone (in violation of the rules), I am entirely justified in being annoyed at them for disrupting my use of the test server. It has nothing to do with the lost 100 ISK items and everything to do with the wasted time.

Super-capitals: We will have a closer look at them for sure, but I have no idea yet if and what we are changing.

Regarding acceleration gates: Do you have any good ideas about how to avoid camping the acceleration gate itself?
It would be nearly useless, if we would have a acceleration to an area without capitals, when the capitals are camping the acceleration gate itself.

Regarding acceleration gates: Do you have any good ideas about how to avoid camping the acceleration gate itself? It would be nearly useless, if we would have a acceleration to an area without capitals, when the capitals are camping the acceleration gate itself.

Seed sc. titans, at some point camping in SC wouldn't be so easy. Other players with the skills could kill you mor easyly

And it would cause havoc for everyone on a monolithic scale. Think about the issue that would cause before suggesting utterly ******** fixes.

Edit: Habakuk, I have a probable idea for the acceleration gates. First, they should be regulated according to ship size, ideally the same way mission gates are. They should lead to unprobable deadspace plexes, preventing people from bypassing the gate, and each gate should remain on the station grid, on which you should place a grid-wide GM ECM Burst battery. This would both prevent combat at the station and prevent camping the acceleration gates.

Also, I suggest cyno-jamming all the deadspace pockets. This would allow you to regulate every shiptype in each pocket, i.e. BS and below, Supercap and below, etc.


The GM ECM Burst would also have the added benefit of permanently eliminating all combat on station.

Second Edit: I would consider you a hero if you could remove the pirate ships from the seeding. Pirate/faction ships should only be seeded two to three weeks before alliance tournament time, and then purge them from the server the same way control towers get purged after the alliance tournament ends.

This is a TEST server if people want to fight in sc titans make a possibility to do soo.. Separate sytem like wh style no jump out no jump in.... So will try it for a week two three and will go back to smaller ship when they get bored...
1. Add a system with station + (titans sc on market) that is 20 LY from other system Out of jump range of other systems..
2. You will have 2 sides happpy....

You mean like:

Constellation blah, is testing constellation.

System A includes combat zones for ships up to battleship size

System B has combat zones for ships including dreadnoughts and carriers

System C has combat zones for unrestricted free for alls

That sort of thing ?

That would simplify things a lot, wouldn't it? It would be a simple case to spot supercapitals or whatever in the wrong system.

For starters:

1. You should seed every ship in the game, barring capitals and / or super capitals. We are currently lacking stuff like serpentis ships, etc.

2. Bring back class specific beacons, or somehow alter the ability to acess beacons. Currently, supercaps are everywhere, and we basically cannot actually test anything under a cap size, since capitals will just come along and affect the results.

3. Figure out a way to erase/delete all drones that are left over after a day. At first there's only 10 or 20 left over, but after a while, there's more than 100 drone ships (fighters included) at every beacon.