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Xemnus
Dark Star Confederation
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Posted - 2012.03.31 00:54:00 -
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I've seen a few... well... lets be real.. a LOT of names on Eve Online that aren't really names, which is fine. I am an old character from the character creation that didn't know they had the option to add a last name. Is it possible to give us the ability to change our name or even add a suffix to our name for old time players who wish to have one?
Even if we have to pay a fee like WoW and the other games who allow character name changes. Allow people who have us on friends/standing list to keep us there, OR somehow publicly let it be known on the TV in the Captain Quarters. Also, just like Remapping attributes, you can only do it once, and it cannot be done again for a long time.
Thoughts? |

DooDoo Gum
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.31 01:21:00 -
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Xemnus wrote:I've seen a few... well... lets be real.. a LOT of names on Eve Online that aren't really names, which is fine. I am an old character from the character creation that didn't know they had the option to add a last name. Is it possible to give us the ability to change our name or even add a suffix to our name for old time players who wish to have one?
Even if we have to pay a fee like WoW and the other games who allow character name changes. Allow people who have us on friends/standing list to keep us there, OR somehow publicly let it be known on the TV in the Captain Quarters. Also, just like Remapping attributes, you can only do it once, and it cannot be done again for a long time.
Thoughts?
Sounds like a key ingredient in the recipe for espionage...
im not into it |

Xemnus
Dark Star Confederation
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Posted - 2012.03.31 01:53:00 -
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Mmm... true. But if that can be controlled?
EDIT - Controlled as in API. Listing other names/Identities. |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:41:00 -
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This has been suggested ad infinitem. The trouble comes when folks who have perpetraited scams and major theft decide to change their identity to either profit by the selling off the infamous character or changing the name and continuing to fly without the consequence of bad reputation for scandalous acts. Because ways of avoiding this are few and cumbersome at best I say, "no thanks"
It's better to leave it the way it is and let the character creator learn to choose his names more carefully.
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Psichotic
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.01 02:04:00 -
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Any problems with espionage could easily be solved by putting a record of the name change in Employment History.
For example (below is not real info, just used as an example):
Corporation Sebiestor Tribe 2012.01.10 16:15 to this day Name Change Psichotic 2011.03.31 19:32 to Buckny McFarnsworth Corporation Estel Arador Corp Services 2011.01.07 17:22 to 2011.01.11 17:49 Corporation Sebiestor Tribe 2010.12.30 17:01 to 2011.01.07 17:22 Corporation Republic Military School 2008.01.04 03:36 to 2009.02.13 05:12 Corporation Sebiestor Tribe 2001.01.11 17:49 to 2008.03.11 21:08
Barbara Nichole wrote:It's better to leave it the way it is and let the character creator learn to choose his names more carefully.
New people, being new, do not know they will not be able to change their name later, since they're new. When you have spent some time in the game, as you have, then you know more than new people, since you are not new anymore.
If giving people the ability to change their character name helps us keep more people in the game it is worth to us all. |

MiltGyver
Universal Might DSM FOUNDATION
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Posted - 2012.04.01 02:11:00 -
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I agree, name changes should be allowed. On Steam for example you can view Aliases of someone, other names they've been known by. Combine that with either paid or limited #/year changes, then I don't think you're losing immersion or risk abuse for espionage or whatever. I would love to change my name simply because I hate it, but I'm not going to train a new character to do it. That's just stupid. If you can change your portrait you should be able to change your name. IRL changing your name is much easier than changing your "portrait". Make it happen. |

Xemnus
Dark Star Confederation
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Posted - 2012.04.01 02:30:00 -
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MiltGyver wrote:I agree, name changes should be allowed. On Steam for example you can view Aliases of someone, other names they've been known by. Combine that with either paid or limited #/year changes, then I don't think you're losing immersion or risk abuse for espionage or whatever. I would love to change my name simply because I hate it, but I'm not going to train a new character to do it. That's just stupid. If you can change your portrait you should be able to change your name. IRL changing your name is much easier than changing your "portrait". Make it happen.
Very true about the Steam. All I want personally is to add a last name. I didn't have the option back in my trial because I didn't know it was available. When I play an MMO, I suspect when they ask for a character name, they want a first name. |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:02:00 -
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Psichotic wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:It's better to leave it the way it is and let the character creator learn to choose his names more carefully. New people, being new, do not know they will not be able to change their name later, since they're new. When you have spent some time in the game, as you have, then you know more than new people, since you are not new anymore. If giving people the ability to change their character name helps us keep more people in the game it is worth to us all.
I honestly doubt we're losing many people just because they chose a poor name. How long did it take you to discover you couldn't change your name... a month?.. and why would you assume you would be able to change a name in the first place? I still believe this will cause more issues than it will resolve. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:15:00 -
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Xemnus wrote:MiltGyver wrote:I agree, name changes should be allowed. On Steam for example you can view Aliases of someone, other names they've been known by. Combine that with either paid or limited #/year changes, then I don't think you're losing immersion or risk abuse for espionage or whatever. I would love to change my name simply because I hate it, but I'm not going to train a new character to do it. That's just stupid. If you can change your portrait you should be able to change your name. IRL changing your name is much easier than changing your "portrait". Make it happen. Very true about the Steam. All I want personally is to add a last name. I didn't have the option back in my trial because I didn't know it was available. When I play an MMO, I suspect when they ask for a character name, they want a first name.
All I want is to put a damn space in my name, never realised that they changed them to allow for spaces until my brother showed me. Remember contacting CCP about it god knows how many years ago and getting ignored the first time them being sent some FAQ on transferring characters before they simply stopped talking to me.
I would pay to change my name simply to add the space, I have told CCP as much. Provided that there is a list it makes of old Aliases and you can only do it say every 6/12 months (like Neural Remapping) honestly don't see it beign a problem unless the database is done in a weird and magically way.
Still would be cool, I mean what if you're role playing and character get married... must suck for those peeps not being able to change their name to reflect this.
Mind I still wouldn't mind CCP having some slightly stricter guidelines on naming practices. Some peoples names are done simply to **** with FCs calling them out, which really should be disallowed imo - same with totally unpronouncable names that look like someone simply smacked their head on the keyboard and went "Yep, that's a keeper!" |

Xemnus
Dark Star Confederation
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Posted - 2012.04.04 23:54:00 -
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Bump for a CCP to answer. |
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2012.04.05 00:45:00 -
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Xemnus wrote:Bump for a CCP to answer. I very much doubt they will answer directly. Their stance has remained the same ever since i can remember and it's a NO to name changes, unless in specific instances.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Valea Silpha
Abyssal Heavy Industries Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.04.05 00:48:00 -
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RavenTesio wrote:
Mind I still wouldn't mind CCP having some slightly stricter guidelines on naming practices. Some peoples names are done simply to **** with FCs calling them out, which really should be disallowed imo - same with totally unpronouncable names that look like someone simply smacked their head on the keyboard and went "Yep, that's a keeper!"
That's an interesting point.
I get what you're saying. I really do. But since Eve is localized into Russian and Japanese and such, it is extremely hard for people who have no knowledge of those languages to say 'Yeah, thats just screwing with us'. Especially when you add to it that very few people have real words as their name, it would be extremely EXTREMELY hard to enforce that. And then you top it off with Eve being a long was distant even from the pretense of role playing for most players, a lot of people are happy to roll with a handle, rather than a genuine name, because that's the nature of the interwebs. A lot of those names aren't really supposed to be said out loud, just read off a screen. Its supposed to be individual and unique, not practical.
As for adding names and stuff... Hmmm... I think that mechanically its a no-go. Since your name as originally typed is the only way to persistently find a character. Imagine trying to look up a guy you were friends with back in your old corp, maybe to call in a favor or just to chat. You put in his first name, because he was first name only...The results already put out everyone who has that name and a surname. And add to that all the scamming crap... Bleh. Given that even people with names that they thought they invented (like mine) have a few other people with similar names, and so even minor changes can make it impossible to find someone without blind guess work.
I'm sorry, but it just doesn't seem that there could be a place for this in game. It's just... The way it is. Changing the only unique identifier for your character, at any cost, would break various aspects of the game. Even non-sinister uses of this would be at best deeply inconvenient.
the sad thing is that even a compromise, like having a thing similar to your corp title that you can fill out yourself would mostly not be read and even then its not going to be used to refer to you. |

Veruca Salt
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Posted - 2012.05.15 08:25:00 -
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Name change service should be avilable in a nine year old game. It's pretty standard feature even for 2-3 year old mmo's these days.
Just put a reasonable limits and prices, and we're good to go. Let players track name changes if they cry hard enough. |

Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.15 11:23:00 -
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Veruca Salt wrote:Name change service should be avilable in a nine year old game. It's pretty standard feature even for 2-3 year old mmo's these days.
Just put a reasonable limits and prices, and we're good to go. Let players track name changes if they cry hard enough.
really? i dont play many mmos, but pretty much every game that ive ever played didnt let me change a character name once the game was started,
I wonder how many of the other games that you are thinking of encourage the amount of asshattery that EVE does, where Your name is the only persistent way to keep track of someone. I would bet that most if not all of those other games dont. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Ships to goo calc - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107898 |

Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.15 11:40:00 -
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Your name is cool.
People with only single name are the superstars, the legends of EVE. Think of the greatest Brazilian goal scorers, having just one name tells the whole universe that you are special. In the beginning high security space was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. |

Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.15 15:20:00 -
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I've never bought a character off of the Character bazaar, I don't support the practice, but it would make sense for a name change in that situation at least, I mean the new owner presumably is not the one who infiltrated your corp and stole all your BPO's (although I suppose it could be). I can certainly see where it would be worrisome if scammers and spies could simply change their names and loose their notoriety, on the otherhand as stated earlier, it would be simple enough to put a record in the employment history showing the name change. I think I would change my name if given a choice, I had other names I liked but they were taken and last names were not an option back then. |

Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.15 15:22:00 -
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Roime wrote:Your name is cool. People with only single name are the superstars, the legends of EVE. Think of the greatest Brazilian goal scorers, having just one name tells the whole universe that you are special.
Personally I prefer to call "Sting" Tim Sumner |

Veruca Salt
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Posted - 2012.05.15 17:16:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote:Veruca Salt wrote:Name change service should be avilable in a nine year old game. It's pretty standard feature even for 2-3 year old mmo's these days.
Just put a reasonable limits and prices, and we're good to go. Let players track name changes if they cry hard enough. really? i dont play many mmos, but pretty much every game that ive ever played didnt let me change a character name once the game was started, I wonder how many of the other games that you are thinking of encourage the amount of asshattery that EVE does, where Your name is the only persistent way to keep track of someone. I would bet that most if not all of those other games dont.
We're talking about changing "Name", not "Player ID number". Of course you can have your justice on that persistent ID number, which has been behind the name all the time.
And what you describe is kinda extreme case actually.. mostly you'll see law-abiding citizens getting his or her last names, or correcting their 9 year old childish mistakes. Big deal. |

Kiev Duran
Grand Solar Trinity Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:38:00 -
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Back in 2008 when I made this character I wanted a name that would fit naturally into the EVE lore for the Caldari as I understood them from other people and the quick racial description on the character creator. As such I went with something that would feel like a blend of Russian and American, as this was how I understood their culture. What I didn't take into account was that I was wrong about the culture; the Caldari are more a blend of Corporate Japan and Soviet loyalty than they are a blend of Russia and America. I also didn't know that the Caldari refer to each other with the family name first and the given name second (this may be slowly changing as more and more Caldari NPCs are added with the typical "Firstname Lastname" format used in most of the world, or it could be hand-waved as being part of the translation process). What's worse is that I didn't know that Kiev was the capitol of Ukraine 4 years ago, so I'm constantly greeted in Russian when I go to new places.
I have always wished I could change my character's name, and if given the option to pay for a name change I would gladly do so. I suspect that I'm not alone in wishing to erase simple, dumb mistakes to improve mine and other's immersion, and a feature like this could only generate more income for CCP. |

RomeStar
Caldari Navy Industrial Division Caldari Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:45:00 -
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What would make this post is a list of all mmos that dont let you change your name .............I dont know of any except EVE. |
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Oregin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:00:00 -
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As has been rightly pointed out. Name changes are a bad idea if people can just hide from their past.
You might argue... oh hey, put it in the character sheet like the employment history.
However, no matter what you do to record and make available the information regarding name changes it doesn't matter. The long and short of it is that I would not enjoy having to open char info and browse name changes to get an idea of who a pilot is. If you're that guy who acts like a prat or the guy who's flying the fail fit BS, I want to know at a glance, not have to find that info.
No to name changes, it's cosmetic and although it might suit the few who made a bad choice when they started off, it's gonna cause extra clicking about for everybody else. |

RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:19:00 -
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Valea Silpha wrote: That's an interesting point.
I get what you're saying. I really do. But since Eve is localized into Russian and Japanese and such, it is extremely hard for people who have no knowledge of those languages to say 'Yeah, thats just screwing with us'. Especially when you add to it that very few people have real words as their name, it would be extremely EXTREMELY hard to enforce that. And then you top it off with Eve being a long was distant even from the pretense of role playing for most players, a lot of people are happy to roll with a handle, rather than a genuine name, because that's the nature of the interwebs. A lot of those names aren't really supposed to be said out loud, just read off a screen. Its supposed to be individual and unique, not practical.
As for adding names and stuff... Hmmm... I think that mechanically its a no-go. Since your name as originally typed is the only way to persistently find a character. Imagine trying to look up a guy you were friends with back in your old corp, maybe to call in a favor or just to chat. You put in his first name, because he was first name only...The results already put out everyone who has that name and a surname. And add to that all the scamming crap... Bleh. Given that even people with names that they thought they invented (like mine) have a few other people with similar names, and so even minor changes can make it impossible to find someone without blind guess work.
I'm sorry, but it just doesn't seem that there could be a place for this in game. It's just... The way it is. Changing the only unique identifier for your character, at any cost, would break various aspects of the game. Even non-sinister uses of this would be at best deeply inconvenient.
the sad thing is that even a compromise, like having a thing similar to your corp title that you can fill out yourself would mostly not be read and even then its not going to be used to refer to you.
Not really saying that they should be strict overlords on what does and doesn't constitute a name... but simply adding the limitation that System Names, Cuss Words (CCP are very multicultural, I'd be surprised if they didn't have 1 person from each Nation they language support that they can ask "Hey what offensive words do you natively know?") and that god awful habit of using Leet for names.
I'm not against seeing a name like Mr Fredmeister 72 ... but 3limin4t0R instead of Eliminator is just ******* childish and annoying, given the main focus within this game is PvP; which means at someone point someone WILL have to attempt to call out these names. Mind this said I also feel that there should be a better language localiser, because if I'm playing in Engilsh I want to see English characters for what is being said; where-as if I'm playing in Japanese I'd prefer to see nothing but japanese characters.
There are pretty standardised systems for achieving this, just hope it makes it in to the game at some point. I mean if they go down the full translation route, Microsoft is currently working on software that not only perfectly translates text but also voices between language ... very weird hearing your own voice speak a language you don't know, but so damn cool.
Now don't get me wrong I do understand the whole "Scam" aspect here, but our names are merely String ID fields; we actually all have a unique "Clone Number" as it were for each account, you see it on the forums (profiles) you also see it on EVEGate and the API that killboards use. Why not simply have this shown with the character name, Scammers will always try to scam... hell I've seen people make characters specifically with similar names to scam with, if we had the Clone Number, this gives people a very definitive means of keeping track of people regardless of name changes.
Right now as I understand it the only thing that constitutes valid for a name change are names with bad language in them. If that became an automated system that blocked them, everyone was forced to have a Last name (which ALL new characters are), there was a block on using System / Region / Faction names and the use of Numbers and Letter was limited to Seperate Words. This would provide a much cleaner and better system we can use for naming our characters.
There would possibly be some edge cases of loosing touch with people you don't have on your friends lists or potencial scams, but honestly it would do more good than potencial harm.
I also don't see an issue with name changing if it had say a 12 Subscribed Months Delay to when you can do it again and it cost a PLEX each time. Provided it was only 1 and they didn't stack like Attribute Respecs. Don't see how it could really do that much harm, plus that person would be stuck with it for atleast a year.
Almost every other MMO I know instigates a number of Naming Policies that are far more strict than EVE, simply because their audiences are generally younger .. EVE tend to appeal more to adults, but problem is I think we're actually worse than the damn kids, partly cause we know far more offensive terms. Would also echo that every other MMO I play allows you to change a characters name, either at will or for a nominal -ú10 fee.
As I said, I understand EVE is in a unique position with far more open nature to scam, but honestly with the ability to effectively create as many character as we like for free... how is not allowing people to change their names actually a big deal. We have depol to do it in real-life, surely they still have depol in the far future where there is only war (wait wrong IP lol) |

Kiev Duran
Grand Solar Trinity Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:22:00 -
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Oregin wrote:As has been rightly pointed out. Name changes are a bad idea if people can just hide from their past.
You might argue... oh hey, put it in the character sheet like the employment history.
However, no matter what you do to record and make available the information regarding name changes it doesn't matter. The long and short of it is that I would not enjoy having to open char info and browse name changes to get an idea of who a pilot is. If you're that guy who acts like a prat or the guy who's flying the fail fit BS, I want to know at a glance, not have to find that info.
No to name changes, it's cosmetic and although it might suit the few who made a bad choice when they started off, it's gonna cause extra clicking about for everybody else.
So you're against name changes on the grounds that it would cause a large amount of extra work to be done on the part of other people to identify those who had changed their names?
Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but I don't believe that's a solid argument. First and foremost, the only times searching through name history would be important would be during the few occasions that you would need to verify the identity of someone that you're dealing with, i.e. personal trades and corp/alliance recruitment. The guy in local acting like a prat is acting like a prat and can be identified as a prat through his actions. To identify someone flying a fail fit BS at a glance would require looking at the ship and the fit will be fail regardless of the name of the character. |

Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
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Posted - 2012.05.24 13:06:00 -
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"Your name is your reputation" is nothing short of a b******t excuse these days for not implementing name change. Only the ballsiest and/or most sociopathic players don't use alts to scam or otherwise inconvenience other players, instead of reveling in their bad rep. However, a considerable amount of people are avoiding karma simply by having alts. With the plex system having a "dirty work alt" is easier than it was ever before.
At the very least old characters should be offered a name change due to the limitations of the old character creation system, if for no other reason. I mean back in the day I'm not even sure if there was a name randomizer available (possibly was, but can't remember for sure), not to mention being able to have three parts to your name. I nevertheless would want this to become an actual paid feature wtih ideas that have been passed around before in greater detail, like once a year maximum, a reasonable yet abuse discouraging price tag (say, the price of a months sub, and you couldn't buy it with PLEX) at the very least.
To make a compromise to the ever complaining, self entitled bitter vets, namechanged accounts should be noticeable somehow, possibly having a small star(*), exclamation point(!) or any variant thereof, added behind their name. It should be fairly unobtrusive on the name itself, but still appear in the overview/chatlists in a way that would be immediately noticeable. This would alert the most paranoid of us to check the many times over suggested name history tab of the character.
Personally I'd even be happy with just having a slot you could fill out yourself in style of roleplaying addons of other MMO's, that would display when opening character info, under a characters name. Other people could use it to add imaginary titles to themselves or something.
EDIT: Adding this link for good measure to a thread about this in CSM, it debunks the common reasons for saying "no" much better than I ever could. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8710 |

Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.24 13:16:00 -
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Check out my 5 letter name, no numbers or punctuation. Aww yeah
If your character is biomassed, another character takes its name, and then you petition to have the character un-biomassed, then CCP will change your character's name.
Try this out. I recommend using titan pilots. |
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