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Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.11 01:10:00 - [1] So here we are awaiting the nano nerf. We think for ourselves, "Sure eve is good, but what is best in eve?". Many, with the upcoming nerf in mind, would say "A logistic, a RR-fleet BS, falcons at your wrists and solar winds in your hair". Wrong! That is not what eve is about; It's about crushing your enemies (and possibly your keyboard) with a series of F1-F8 face-rolls, if you ask me as an amarrian. Now CCP is slowly moving towards removing nanos and have put alot of thought into the next patch changes. The most vocal part of the opposition have been too proud of the technological terror, called nano warfare, they have created but failed to realise that their powers are insignificant next to the power of the ccp nerf bat. I find the lack of faith, in ccp's nerf bat, as of late, disturbing. There are many of us that want to remove the nano's from the pipes. I just the other day got... a hauler was sent by my corp at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday. I got it yesterday [Tuesday]. Why? Why? Because it got tangled up in a big ball with all these things going on the tubes. Eve space is not something you dump thousands of nanos on, it's a series of tubes. My point is that if you are not ready for the changes you will be better off flying a hauler full of rubber dog shit out of jita! /Discuss ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Commander Thrawn the united	Posted - 2008.10.11 01:14:00 - [2] yes?
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.11 01:16:00 - [3] I disagree - the most vocal people complaining about the changes are people with Gallente and Minmatar BS 5. The people most in favor are people with Amarr and Caldari BS 5. ;-) -Liang --
XFreedomX	Posted - 2008.10.11 01:26:00 - [4] An Amarrian advocating adapt instead of whine..... refreshing.
LadyLubU2 Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.11 01:33:00 - [5] Discuss? Is there something to discuss about then? Maybe about how a awesome job ccp is doing with this whole nerf? Maybe about people who think eve and everything in it is fine? -- Sig: NARF FALCONS!!! Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Zana Kito	Posted - 2008.10.11 02:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer So here we are awaiting the nano nerf. We think for ourselves, "Sure eve is good, but what is best in eve?". Many, with the upcoming nerf in mind, would say "A logistic, a RR-fleet BS, falcons at your wrists and solar winds in your hair". Wrong! That is not what eve is about; It's about crushing your enemies (and possibly your keyboard) with a series of F1-F8 face-rolls, if you ask me as an amarrian. WRONG!! It's to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women. That is what's best in Eve.. and life!
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.11 03:29:00 - [7] Originally by: XFreedomX An Amarrian advocating adapt instead of whine..... refreshing. This! Yeah. And nerf the falcon to uselessness. Then I'll come in and spam "adapt" on their whine posts and ask how it feels to fly an Arazu
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.11 03:32:00 - [8] Edited by: BiggestT on 11/10/2008 03:32:38 Originally by: Liang Nuren I disagree - the most vocal people complaining about the changes are people with Gallente and Minmatar BS 5. The people most in favor are people with Amarr and Caldari BS 5. ;-) -Liang Im not for this nerf at all. And i dont have min/gallente bs 5. I hate that its going to be that much harder to raom in bigger+ smaller ships now, u either have to take all f#&##*@ frigates or take a rr-bs gang -.- edit: Oh and i bet their going to nerf missiles to hell and back so that makes me like it less aswell :P Awesome EVE history Missiles ba-oom!
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.11 04:15:00 - [9] lolwut? /Discuss -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Myra2007 Perkone	Posted - 2008.10.11 04:53:00 - [10] If its all about adapting then why do you constantly whine about falcons on these forums? Didn't you actually cancel your sub about it (for a while) or at least claimed so on the forums? You are being a self-righteous hypocrite tbh. Anyway have your fun. The next time ccp hits some of your tools you won't be so supportive i bet. -- Originally by: Merin Ryskin Allow me to summarize the dev blog in a much simpler way: Dear players: F*** YOU. Love, CCP.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.11 12:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Zana Kito WRONG!! It's to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women. That is what's best in Eve.. and life! Yes, you make a good point. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Reatu Krentor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.10.11 12:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Liang Nuren I disagree - the most vocal people complaining about the changes are people with Gallente and Minmatar BS 5. The people most in favor are people with Amarr and Caldari BS 5. ;-) -Liang Yes, I'm torn on the issue , with my amarr bs 5 and minmatar bs 5 -- stuff --
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.11 13:20:00 - [13] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 11/10/2008 03:39:59 Originally by: XFreedomX An Amarrian advocating adapt instead of whine..... refreshing. This! Yeah. And nerf the falcon to uselessness. Then I'll come in and spam "adapt" on their whine posts and ask how it feels to fly an Arazu Ah well, at least the Lachesis will be handy for gate camps. If Arazu pilots put even a tenth of the energy into making proposals to improve Keres/Arazu/Lachesis that they invest in "nerf falcon" whines, I might feel more sympathy.
LadyLubU2 Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.11 13:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 11/10/2008 03:39:59 Originally by: XFreedomX An Amarrian advocating adapt instead of whine..... refreshing. This! Yeah. And nerf the falcon to uselessness. Then I'll come in and spam "adapt" on their whine posts and ask how it feels to fly an Arazu Ah well, at least the Lachesis will be handy for gate camps. If Arazu pilots put even a tenth of the energy into making proposals to improve Keres/Arazu/Lachesis that they invest in "nerf falcon" whines, I might feel more sympathy. If people like you would even bother reading one of the multiple arazu/damp buff threads before saying this kind of stuff..... -- Sig: NARF FALCONS!!!
whisk Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.11 13:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Liang Nuren I disagree - the most vocal people complaining about the changes are people with Gallente and Minmatar BS 5. The people most in favor are people with Amarr and Caldari BS 5. ;-) -Liang and people with gallente/minmatar main and amarr/caldari alt are non biased and Im dissapointed how minmatar and gallente are preforming, even tho its a minmatar move up the ladder to being number 3 race, and gallente moving down to 4... oh and I think amarr is better then caldari but maybe its just me Adapt or Die
Traderboz	Posted - 2008.10.11 13:47:00 - [16] Could just do what I did and "adapt" right over into Warhammer
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.11 13:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Liang Nuren I disagree - the most vocal people complaining about the changes are people with Gallente and Minmatar BS 5. The people most in favor are people with Amarr and Caldari BS 5. ;-) -Liang well I have amarr, caldari, gallente and minmatar BS at 5 (well... 8 days for amarr bs 5, but anyways...), so that makes me unbiased, and I say that they are overnerfing EVE to stoneage and back. yo. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.11 17:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Traderboz Could just do what I did and "adapt" right over into Warhammer I've been thinking about that, and I've got quite a few friends who moved over. I'd really like to see the final result of the nerf, and I don't really want to pay $50 for the game software. :-/ -Liang --
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.11 17:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Traderboz Could just do what I did and "adapt" right over into Warhammer I've been thinking about that, and I've got quite a few friends who moved over. I'd really like to see the final result of the nerf, and I don't really want to pay $50 for the game software. :-/ -Liang CCP timed this nerf badly x) Awesome EVE history Missiles ba-oom!
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.10.11 17:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Traderboz Could just do what I did and "adapt" right over into Warhammer I myself am playing Warhammer while I train a new skillset. I'll probably be back to eve at some point because history has shown that a more "traditional" mmo doesn't hold my interest at all.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.11 17:56:00 - [21] Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Traderboz Could just do what I did and "adapt" right over into Warhammer I myself am playing Warhammer while I train a new skillset. I'll probably be back to eve at some point because history has shown that a more "traditional" mmo doesn't hold my interest at all. How you like it? Worth the $50 start up charge? I hear the PVP is great... -Liang --
Removal Tool Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.10.11 19:15:00 - [22] Edited by: Removal Tool on 11/10/2008 19:18:04 I'll never play an MMO that looks like that, which all do except EVE. *Yes this sig is ridiculous
fightnkill Violent Fury	Posted - 2008.10.11 19:23:00 - [23] Falcons are more rigged then Nanos. A Nano-domi with 3 ECCM + Overheat to tackle a falcon... and guess what? the domi still got jammed
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.11 19:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Traderboz Could just do what I did and "adapt" right over into Warhammer I myself am playing Warhammer while I train a new skillset. I'll probably be back to eve at some point because history has shown that a more "traditional" mmo doesn't hold my interest at all. How you like it? Worth the $50 start up charge? I hear the PVP is great... -Liang my lvl 13 chosen entered in an low-rank RvR zone just to be transformed into a chicken! however if you're low-level and you enter in a higher rank RvR zone, you get a lvl buff for the zone only. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Traderboz	Posted - 2008.10.11 19:29:00 - [25] The game really hit the ground running. It's been the smoothest MMO launch I've seen. It's definitely focused around PVP, but there's also a surprising amount of PVE content available. The dev's thus far are also quite responsive, fixing several annoying things and adding requested features promptly, and they seem to understand how their own game works (casual war players don't wear HG snakes ). I closed the account Boz was on, haha, and hence the traderboz persona, but I still have the others. I'm not really playing them other than to train, and I'd definitely say the $50 for War is worth it thus far.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.10.11 19:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Traderboz Could just do what I did and "adapt" right over into Warhammer I myself am playing Warhammer while I train a new skillset. I'll probably be back to eve at some point because history has shown that a more "traditional" mmo doesn't hold my interest at all. How you like it? Worth the $50 start up charge? I hear the PVP is great... -Liang It's hard to say. They do many things that I like - the Public Quests for example are a neat PVE mechanic. The RvR stuff however is where the game ought to shine but it really depends on a careful balance between the two sides. Most of the "good" gear you can buy has to be purchased inside the RvR zones, and on my server Order is drastically outnumbered so that of 6 teir 2 keeps, at any given time we might, if we combine the efforts of a few dozen of us, wrench the keep from the hands of Chaos after choking their rivers with our dead for a few hours. Much of the game balance issues may spring from the fact that I'm on an Open RvR server, which means a level 22 could in all reality go tearing through the level 1 noob zone and just annihilate everything they see (it happens regularly really). Unlike the normal server, an Open server lets people who are skilled enough to be in a higher tier fight in a lower tier. As far as basic gameplay goes, it's nothing special. It's WoW with a darker theme, both in terms of art and description. The standard MMO class mechanics exist here - only they boil it down to 4 basic archetypes - tank, healer, ranged DPS and melee dps. That being said, there is actually quite a bit of variety between classes of the same archetype. One Melee DPS class, the Witch Hunter, delivers absolute gobs of damage and has the ability to deliver crushing attacks over a short ranged distance but has absolutely no armor (they are also one of two classes that has any true stealth ability). Another variation, the Marauder has substantially improved personal protection but they don't deliver quite as much damage. The PVP is nice and accessable but it's not really as exciting as it is in Eve. There is no penalty for death (you don't even have to repair gear), and at worst you may suffer for 15 minutes (if killed by a mob) of -10% of your HP. It's also apparent that as a single person you have absolutely no direct impact on anything. Is it worth 50 bucks? I don't really know. It's a solid game but it's focus on ultimately meaningless PvP will probably be it's downfall for me.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.10.11 19:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Traderboz Could just do what I did and "adapt" right over into Warhammer I myself am playing Warhammer while I train a new skillset. I'll probably be back to eve at some point because history has shown that a more "traditional" mmo doesn't hold my interest at all. How you like it? Worth the $50 start up charge? I hear the PVP is great... -Liang my lvl 13 chosen entered in an low-rank RvR zone just to be transformed into a chicken! however if you're low-level and you enter in a higher rank RvR zone, you get a lvl buff for the zone only. Note that buff only gives you equivlanet HP and base stats - your skills still operate at your base levels. Thus why a level 8 will murder a level 1 in a scenario even though they are theoritically even (well, and one can not discount the effects of gear). Also, I hate chosen. Even if I manage to hit them from incognito (I'm a Witch Hunter) they can usually outlast me. And much of the time they form an almost impenetrable wall of steel and meat.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.11 19:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Liang Nuren I disagree - the most vocal people complaining about the changes are people with Gallente and Minmatar BS 5. The people most in favor are people with Amarr and Caldari BS 5. ;-) -Liang I have amarr bs 5, my alt has caldari bs 5, and I am very against the change
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.11 19:54:00 - [29] Well I guess I'll have to seriously consider giving it a run. I've always liked playing healer types (you'll notice I have 3 logistics pilots. :p) ... so maybe it'll be the game for me. Casual PVP without the soul crushing PVE that Eve requires. -Liang --
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.10.11 20:04:00 - [30] Originally by: Liang Nuren Well I guess I'll have to seriously consider giving it a run. I've always liked playing healer types (you'll notice I have 3 logistics pilots. :p) ... so maybe it'll be the game for me. Casual PVP without the soul crushing PVE that Eve requires. -Liang Healing is less soul crushing here than in most games because most healers have a legitimate ability to deal damage. The empire Healer for example is a melee fighter (and often they forget they are healers not tanks). The Order elf healer has some decent DoT ranged attacks. The ability to target two seperate thigns (an enemy and a friendly with skills that automatically distinguish between which should go where) goes a long way at keeping the whole ordeal at least somewhat orderly.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.11 20:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Zana Kito Originally by: Lyria Skydancer So here we are awaiting the nano nerf. We think for ourselves, "Sure eve is good, but what is best in eve?". Many, with the upcoming nerf in mind, would say "A logistic, a RR-fleet BS, falcons at your wrists and solar winds in your hair". Wrong! That is not what eve is about; It's about crushing your enemies (and possibly your keyboard) with a series of F1-F8 face-rolls, if you ask me as an amarrian. WRONG!! It's to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women. That is what's best in Eve.. and life! It's not what's best. It's the very meaning... --
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.11 20:45:00 - [32] Originally by: Derek Sigres Also, I hate chosen. Even if I manage to hit them from incognito (I'm a Witch Hunter) they can usually outlast me. And much of the time they form an almost impenetrable wall of steel and meat. indeed. I also love their chaotic auras. an aura that buffs you and your party and debuffs your enemies in a 30ft radious? spazzy I say --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.11 20:51:00 - [33] Originally by: Grimpak indeed. I also love their chaotic auras. an aura that buffs you and your party and debuffs your enemies in a 30ft radious? spazzy I say I foresee my new class.... I may have to swing by best buy sometime in the next couple of weeks (I have another 70 hour work week planned next week... ugh) -Liang --
Rajere Vicious Inc	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:15:00 - [34] Quote: If Arazu pilots put even a tenth of the energy into figuring out how to kill hostiles falcons ruining their day that they invest in "nerf falcon" whines, I might feel more sympathy. Fixed. Was an Arazu pilot long before I was a falcon pilot, and it wasn't until the damp nerf that I saw a reason to fly an Arazu. Celestis was just as good for RSDing in fleets (1 celestis > 1 Carrier). Sure as a cloaky ganking recon, the arazu could solo any ship that was slower than the arazu, which was any ship not fitting an AB and BSes even if they did fit an AB, because ratters generally did not fit MWDs. But the Rapier could also solo any ship that was slower than the Rapier, and well the rapier is both faster than the arazu and has dual 90% 40km webs...so yeah, that choice was easy. RSDs needed a nerf, but the ship bonus on gallente RSD specialist ships also needed a boost to compensate for it. It can't get the RSD strength it had before, or the arazu will once again be able to solo any ship it finds which is slower than himself. But it should be a better than it is now. That or the Rig needs a boost in effectiveness to bring it in line with the falcon version. How to Fail at Eve
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:22:00 - [35] Originally by: Rajere Quote: If Arazu pilots put even a tenth of the energy into figuring out how to kill hostiles falcons ruining their day that they invest in "nerf falcon" whines, I might feel more sympathy. Fixed. Was an Arazu pilot long before I was a falcon pilot, and it wasn't until the damp nerf that I saw a reason to fly an Arazu. Celestis was just as good for RSDing in fleets (1 celestis > 1 Carrier). Sure as a cloaky ganking recon, the arazu could solo any ship that was slower than the arazu, which was any ship not fitting an AB and BSes even if they did fit an AB, because ratters generally did not fit MWDs. But the Rapier could also solo any ship that was slower than the Rapier, and well the rapier is both faster than the arazu and has dual 90% 40km webs...so yeah, that choice was easy. RSDs needed a nerf, but the ship bonus on gallente RSD specialist ships also needed a boost to compensate for it. It can't get the RSD strength it had before, or the arazu will once again be able to solo any ship it finds which is slower than himself. But it should be a better than it is now. That or the Rig needs a boost in effectiveness to bring it in line with the falcon version. It actually won't, because even with if damps were as powerful as they used to be, they'd still only affect locking range or locking time. Drones enter well within the range to be affected, and thus could be locked as a matter of course. The days of a solo Arazu are over almost no matter what boost they care to throw at it. -Liang --
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Liang Nuren I disagree - the most vocal people complaining about the changes are people with Gallente and Minmatar BS 5. The people most in favor are people with Amarr and Caldari BS 5. ;-) -Liang Who would win? A Machariel or a Nightmare. Proper Batman v.s. Spiderman shit we have going on here.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:33:00 - [37] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Derek Sigres Also, I hate chosen. Even if I manage to hit them from incognito (I'm a Witch Hunter) they can usually outlast me. And much of the time they form an almost impenetrable wall of steel and meat. indeed. I also love their chaotic auras. an aura that buffs you and your party and debuffs your enemies in a 30ft radious? spazzy I say To be honest, none of that compares to shooting people in the face at point blank range. Sure it only does a few hundred damage or so - it's often enough to finish someone off. And, the ability to ignore rooting effects and movement effects for short bursts really helps with the "murdering clothies" aspect since their first response is root + heal and run. Of course, at the end of the day Chaos simply has a more balanced force I think than Order right now. The witch elf is everything the Witch Hunter ought to be (its not even a fair fight between the two unless I get the drop on them). The Marauder murders the White Lion, and the Zealot is better at healing than the 3 order healers combined (they're damn near impossible to kill even with a Witch Hunter if you don't get help). Still, we can usually put up a passable fight in scenarios - it's on the RvR fields that the problems show. And what is the deal with no one on order wanting to play a tank?
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:34:00 - [38] Originally by: Joss Sparq Originally by: Liang Nuren I disagree - the most vocal people complaining about the changes are people with Gallente and Minmatar BS 5. The people most in favor are people with Amarr and Caldari BS 5. ;-) -Liang Who would win? A Machariel or a Nightmare. Proper Batman v.s. Spiderman shit we have going on here. Between Nightmare and Mach, I guess it depends on too many things. In general if it's a ranged fight the Nightmare and if moves in close teh Machariel. Spiderman however would probably murder batman in almost any scenario because Spiderman has super powers and all batman has is super money.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:36:00 - [39] Originally by: Derek Sigres To be honest, none of that compares to shooting people in the face at point blank range. Sure it only does a few hundred damage or so - it's often enough to finish someone off. And, the ability to ignore rooting effects and movement effects for short bursts really helps with the "murdering clothies" aspect since their first response is root + heal and run. Of course, at the end of the day Chaos simply has a more balanced force I think than Order right now. The witch elf is everything the Witch Hunter ought to be (its not even a fair fight between the two unless I get the drop on them). The Marauder murders the White Lion, and the Zealot is better at healing than the 3 order healers combined (they're damn near impossible to kill even with a Witch Hunter if you don't get help). Still, we can usually put up a passable fight in scenarios - it's on the RvR fields that the problems show. And what is the deal with no one on order wanting to play a tank? That's exactly what they tried to recruit me to do - play tank. I told them I'd rather heal... but I suppose it never hurts to have some variety eh? -Liang --
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:36:00 - [40] Edited by: Joss Sparq on 11/10/2008 21:36:30 Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Joss Sparq Originally by: Liang Nuren I disagree - the most vocal people complaining about the changes are people with Gallente and Minmatar BS 5. The people most in favor are people with Amarr and Caldari BS 5. ;-) -Liang Who would win? A Machariel or a Nightmare. Proper Batman v.s. Spiderman shit we have going on here. Between Nightmare and Mach, I guess it depends on too many things. In general if it's a ranged fight the Nightmare and if moves in close teh Machariel. Spiderman however would probably murder batman in almost any scenario because Spiderman has super powers and all batman has is super money.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:41:00 - [41] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Derek Sigres To be honest, none of that compares to shooting people in the face at point blank range. Sure it only does a few hundred damage or so - it's often enough to finish someone off. And, the ability to ignore rooting effects and movement effects for short bursts really helps with the "murdering clothies" aspect since their first response is root + heal and run. Of course, at the end of the day Chaos simply has a more balanced force I think than Order right now. The witch elf is everything the Witch Hunter ought to be (its not even a fair fight between the two unless I get the drop on them). The Marauder murders the White Lion, and the Zealot is better at healing than the 3 order healers combined (they're damn near impossible to kill even with a Witch Hunter if you don't get help). Still, we can usually put up a passable fight in scenarios - it's on the RvR fields that the problems show. And what is the deal with no one on order wanting to play a tank? That's exactly what they tried to recruit me to do - play tank. I told them I'd rather heal... but I suppose it never hurts to have some variety eh? -Liang Half the time the Witch Huners act as a tank. Which makes no sense - they wear cloth armor, have crap resists against EVERYTHING and only passably parry and dodge (you'd think they'd at least be able to parry well or something). All we really have is gobs of HP (more than anything but a pure tank). And it works if you can get 3 or 4 healers on one witch hunter. OF course, that many healers on anything makes it a tank. . . I blame it on the fact that there is no Empire tank (apparently it was cut a bit back to make the ship deadline). So the option is an Ironbreaker (who the hell wants to play a Dwarf anyway?) or a Sword Master (what kind of tank wears a DRESS?!) Compare that to the chosen who wander around in full plate armor with 6 inch thick shields covered in spikes carrying entire strip mines worth of iron as a "sword" - there is no comparison for the difference in cool factor there. Of couse, I digress. We should all get on the same server and join a Guild and call it "Refugees of New Eden" or some nonsense like that.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Derek Sigres Half the time the Witch Huners act as a tank. Which makes no sense - they wear cloth armor, have crap resists against EVERYTHING and only passably parry and dodge (you'd think they'd at least be able to parry well or something). All we really have is gobs of HP (more than anything but a pure tank). And it works if you can get 3 or 4 healers on one witch hunter. OF course, that many healers on anything makes it a tank. . . I blame it on the fact that there is no Empire tank (apparently it was cut a bit back to make the ship deadline). So the option is an Ironbreaker (who the hell wants to play a Dwarf anyway?) or a Sword Master (what kind of tank wears a DRESS?!) Compare that to the chosen who wander around in full plate armor with 6 inch thick shields covered in spikes carrying entire strip mines worth of iron as a "sword" - there is no comparison for the difference in cool factor there. Of couse, I digress. We should all get on the same server and join a Guild and call it "Refugees of New Eden" or some nonsense like that. Hmmmm.... It depends... I'd wear a dress. It'd be like killing someone with a dild.. I mean, phobos... how could they not be humiliated? -Liang --
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.11 22:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Derek Sigres Compare that to the chosen who wander around in full plate armor with 6 inch thick shields covered in spikes carrying entire strip mines worth of iron as a "sword" - there is no comparison for the difference in cool factor there HEY! I use an axe and a shield since I'm atempting to go Path of Corruption (defensive specialization), and it took quite a while to go full armor. getting a helmet was freakin' hard! of course that carrying a claymore is cool too... or a greataxe --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Rajere Vicious Inc	Posted - 2008.10.11 23:10:00 - [44] Quote: It actually won't, because even with if damps were as powerful as they used to be, they'd still only affect locking range or locking time. Drones enter well within the range to be affected, and thus could be locked as a matter of course. The days of a solo Arazu are over almost no matter what boost they care to throw at it. Sorry, going to login to eve and go soloing with my arazu, don't have time to explain why you're wrong (hint: first thing you did back in the day as cloak ganky arazu was kill your targets drones, you had to regardless if they could target you or not). You may continue your discussion of the fotm mmo in my absence. How to Fail at Eve
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.11 23:18:00 - [45] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 11/10/2008 23:19:08 Originally by: Rajere Sorry, going to login to eve and go soloing with my arazu, don't have time to explain why you're wrong (hint: first thing you did back in the day as cloak ganky arazu was kill your targets drones, you had to regardless if they could target you or not). You may continue your discussion of the fotm mmo in my absence. I didn't say anything about their drones, nublin - I said that they can kill your drones completely unobstructed (and there's literally nothing that you can do about it). Thus you're pretty well stuck with maybe 120 DPS out of 250mm rails. -Liang Ed: And it's funny, because I HAVE gone out solo'ing in my Arazu recently... and I've got quote ALOT of kills in my Arazu. --
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.10.11 23:32:00 - [46] Edited by: Derek Sigres on 11/10/2008 23:32:15 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Derek Sigres Compare that to the chosen who wander around in full plate armor with 6 inch thick shields covered in spikes carrying entire strip mines worth of iron as a "sword" - there is no comparison for the difference in cool factor there HEY! I use an axe and a shield since I'm atempting to go Path of Corruption (defensive specialization), and it took quite a while to go full armor. getting a helmet was freakin' hard! of course that carrying a claymore is cool too... or a greataxe I had to buy my cloak in the AH because I never had one drop. I just got it - at level 18
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.12 02:37:00 - [47] Originally by: Derek Sigres Edited by: Derek Sigres on 11/10/2008 23:32:15 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Derek Sigres Compare that to the chosen who wander around in full plate armor with 6 inch thick shields covered in spikes carrying entire strip mines worth of iron as a "sword" - there is no comparison for the difference in cool factor there HEY! I use an axe and a shield since I'm atempting to go Path of Corruption (defensive specialization), and it took quite a while to go full armor. getting a helmet was freakin' hard! of course that carrying a claymore is cool too... or a greataxe I had to buy my cloak in the AH because I never had one drop. I just got it - at level 18 LOL, the title of this thread is adapt and ppl are talking about warhammer..awesome x) Id really like to check it out, but 2 mmo's wld be a bit too much overkill for me atm Awesome EVE history Missiles ba-oom!
Rajere Vicious Inc	Posted - 2008.10.12 09:55:00 - [48] Quote: I didn't say anything about their drones, nublin - I said that they can kill your drones completely unobstructed (and there's literally nothing that you can do about it). Thus you're pretty well stuck with maybe 120 DPS out of 250mm rails. -Liang Ed: And it's funny, because I HAVE gone out solo'ing in my Arazu recently... and I've got quote ALOT of kills in my Arazu. I never implied that you did, buttercup. They can only kill your drones if you let them, and there absolutely is alot you can do about it. Can't dance them in and out anymore for insta-shield regen, but you can certainly take care of them and not lose them. Again, its more about you killing their drones then it is about them killing yours. I went out through low sec for about 2 hours and didn't find anyone in space :/ just a bunch of dockers and cloakers. I did cross jump a drake early on but by the time I got back in system to search for them they were gone. I roamed all over the low sec region here, finally ended up on the otherside and I found another drake in space. pin pointed him at a POS with a forcefield but no modules, thanny inside it setting the pos up, no modules online outside of it. So I decloaked to play with the drake and out came the fighters...turns out the thanny was outside the shields. So rallied up a few guys, rapiers for web, some battleships for dmg, and a cyno and out came the dread. So I didn't end up soloing anything tonight the whole time I was roaming with my arazu, but I did end up ganking a random low sec carrier, so I'd say it overall it was ok. How to Fail at Eve
Traderboz	Posted - 2008.10.12 12:33:00 - [49] Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Liang Nuren Well I guess I'll have to seriously consider giving it a run. I've always liked playing healer types (you'll notice I have 3 logistics pilots. :p) ... so maybe it'll be the game for me. Casual PVP without the soul crushing PVE that Eve requires. -Liang Healing is less soul crushing here than in most games because most healers have a legitimate ability to deal damage. The empire Healer for example is a melee fighter (and often they forget they are healers not tanks). The Order elf healer has some decent DoT ranged attacks. The ability to target two seperate thigns (an enemy and a friendly with skills that automatically distinguish between which should go where) goes a long way at keeping the whole ordeal at least somewhat orderly. Empire is for wussies. You should roll destruction on Arazel
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.12 18:23:00 - [50] Edited by: Grimpak on 12/10/2008 18:23:17 heh. just smashed an equal level WH. man, those things only have HP. fight was easy and he even didn't scrached my armor --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
RedSplat	Posted - 2008.10.12 18:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Traderboz Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Liang Nuren You should roll destruction on Arazel Destruction is for hormonal kiddies and smacktards that like to zerg rush thier oponents in a tide that only wins with a 2:1 numerical advantage. No offence intended, but that seems to be the overwhelming demographic
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.12 19:18:00 - [52] Originally by: RedSplat No offence intended, but that seems to be the overwhelming demographic Um... you checked out Eve lately? ;-) -Liang --
The Vixen Gallente DataPipe Industries	Posted - 2008.10.12 21:37:00 - [53] If I wanted to read about Warhammer, I would have come into this thread. This thread does not deliver.
Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.12 21:56:00 - [54] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer /Discuss Stop posting forever.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.10.13 03:21:00 - [55] Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 12/10/2008 18:23:17 heh. just smashed an equal level WH. man, those things only have HP. fight was easy and he even didn't scrached my armor I just gave the Chosen a shot and yes, they are in fact nigh unstoppable.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.13 03:23:00 - [56] Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 12/10/2008 18:23:17 heh. just smashed an equal level WH. man, those things only have HP. fight was easy and he even didn't scrached my armor I just gave the Chosen a shot and yes, they are in fact nigh unstoppable. What server are you on? I just picked up a copy of Warhammer... :-) -Liang --
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.10.13 03:28:00 - [57] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 12/10/2008 18:23:17 heh. just smashed an equal level WH. man, those things only have HP. fight was easy and he even didn't scrached my armor I just gave the Chosen a shot and yes, they are in fact nigh unstoppable. What server are you on? I just picked up a copy of Warhammer... :-) -Liang My highest level characters (all order) are on Wurtbad (open RvR, which means a LOT of griefing) The chosen I just rolled a bit ago (now a level 7) is on Azazel (core). I can certainly change servers to create an alt for either side though - especially if we can get the handful of people giving the game a shot into a guild.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.13 03:31:00 - [58] Originally by: Derek Sigres My highest level characters (all order) are on Wurtbad (open RvR, which means a LOT of griefing) The chosen I just rolled a bit ago (now a level 7) is on Azazel (core). I can certainly change servers to create an alt for either side though - especially if we can get the handful of people giving the game a shot into a guild. I think I'll try it out on Azazel first then.... Destruction, eh? I have some ideas.. >:-D You guys have a vent.. if necessary I can provide one (at least temporarily). -Liang --
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.10.13 03:33:00 - [59] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Derek Sigres My highest level characters (all order) are on Wurtbad (open RvR, which means a LOT of griefing) The chosen I just rolled a bit ago (now a level 7) is on Azazel (core). I can certainly change servers to create an alt for either side though - especially if we can get the handful of people giving the game a shot into a guild. I think I'll try it out on Azazel first then.... Destruction, eh? I have some ideas.. >:-D You guys have a vent.. if necessary I can provide one (at least temporarily). -Liang Zealot is pretty much the most awesome healer ever. I don't know what their skills look like but when I kill them as a witch hunter I'm pretty sure I have to hack though 5x more HP than they actually posess.
abrasive soap HOMELESS. Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.10.13 03:41:00 - [60] we could just nerf poly carbs and boost assault frig agility/base speed and reduce their mass. but then again that would be to simple right.
Tefkros The Dead Pod Society Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.13 06:23:00 - [61] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer So here we are awaiting the nano nerf. We think for ourselves, "Sure eve is good, but what is best in eve?". Many, with the upcoming nerf in mind, would say "A logistic, a RR-fleet BS, falcons at your wrists and solar winds in your hair". Wrong! That is not what eve is about; It's about crushing your enemies (and possibly your keyboard) with a series of F1-F8 face-rolls, if you ask me as an amarrian. Now CCP is slowly moving towards removing nanos and have put alot of thought into the next patch changes. The most vocal part of the opposition have been too proud of the technological terror, called nano warfare, they have created but failed to realise that their powers are insignificant next to the power of the ccp nerf bat. I find the lack of faith, in ccp's nerf bat, as of late, disturbing. There are many of us that want to remove the nano's from the pipes. I just the other day got... a hauler was sent by my corp at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday. I got it yesterday [Tuesday]. Why? Why? Because it got tangled up in a big ball with all these things going on the tubes. Eve space is not something you dump thousands of nanos on, it's a series of tubes. My point is that if you are not ready for the changes you will be better off flying a hauler full of rubber dog shit out of jita! /Discuss You have a lot of frustration inside you. Seek professional help. In RL.
Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.10.13 07:36:00 - [62] Yes, CCP doesn't want nano ships, they want the idea of nano ships to be in every single ship that's cabable. They want to use the advantage of speed in ships that should have it. Not just the Nano ships. We now have like tankers going 1500km/h, then you have busses that go 3000km/h (Nano***s) and then the ferraris that go 15000km/h. Check real-life (well we don't have spacehips like that), but we do have different classes of ships/cars etc. At the moment Eve ships are out of balance.
Traderboz	Posted - 2008.10.13 07:54:00 - [63] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Derek Sigres My highest level characters (all order) are on Wurtbad (open RvR, which means a LOT of griefing) The chosen I just rolled a bit ago (now a level 7) is on Azazel (core). I can certainly change servers to create an alt for either side though - especially if we can get the handful of people giving the game a shot into a guild. I think I'll try it out on Azazel first then.... Destruction, eh? I have some ideas.. >:-D You guys have a vent.. if necessary I can provide one (at least temporarily). -Liang I'm on Azazel with my main (28 marauder) atm, but I have lots of alts if people want to do some tier 1 and tier 2 scenarios. I'm usually on as Bozwell or Boz if you guys wanna get ahold of me. :)
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.13 08:19:00 - [64] Originally by: Traderboz I'm on Azazel with my main (28 marauder) atm, but I have lots of alts if people want to do some tier 1 and tier 2 scenarios. I'm usually on as Bozwell or Boz if you guys wanna get ahold of me. :) Cool, I'll look you up. Started a Zealot tonight named Liang (oddly enough). I'd have made her a dude but it would have felt funny making a Liang-dude. -Liang
Booomer Disco Biscuits	Posted - 2008.10.13 08:29:00 - [65] Edited by: Booomer on 13/10/2008 08:30:08 wow, OP, you still going about that ? incredible. Are you working on a new nerf-falcon thread aswell? or did I just miss it? btw, everyone, train caldari. that's the shit right now. Welcome to the new DRAKE overlords, amirite?
Semkhet The Priory	Posted - 2008.10.13 09:30:00 - [66] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer So here we are awaiting the nano nerf. We think for ourselves, "Sure eve is good, but what is best in eve?". Many, with the upcoming nerf in mind, would say "A logistic, a RR-fleet BS, falcons at your wrists and solar winds in your hair". Wrong! That is not what eve is about; It's about crushing your enemies (and possibly your keyboard) with a series of F1-F8 face-rolls, if you ask me as an amarrian. Now CCP is slowly moving towards removing nanos and have put alot of thought into the next patch changes. The most vocal part of the opposition have been too proud of the technological terror, called nano warfare, they have created but failed to realise that their powers are insignificant next to the power of the ccp nerf bat. I find the lack of faith, in ccp's nerf bat, as of late, disturbing. There are many of us that want to remove the nano's from the pipes. I just the other day got... a hauler was sent by my corp at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday. I got it yesterday [Tuesday]. Why? Why? Because it got tangled up in a big ball with all these things going on the tubes. Eve space is not something you dump thousands of nanos on, it's a series of tubes. My point is that if you are not ready for the changes you will be better off flying a hauler full of rubber dog shit out of jita! /Discuss And among all that trumpeted knowledge, you miserably fail at integrating the documented history of the raise and fall of once shining stars of the gaming industry, where arrogant CEO's and their advisers remained unable to factorize the power of the ultimate nerfbat: customers taking their real life wallets elsewhere. But I don't know, maybe you believe that CCP, despite being a money making venture, can somewhat magically abstract itself from reasonable customer relationship considerations ?
Traderboz	Posted - 2008.10.13 10:47:00 - [67] Ooh zealot! <3 more heals.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.13 15:09:00 - [68] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 13/10/2008 15:09:12 Originally by: Tefkros You have a lot of frustration inside you. Seek professional help. In RL. Really? It's funny how only one or two people actually understood that the original post was a joke. Obviously many in this thread are too young to understand the refrences made in it. So congrats on your fail. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.13 16:00:00 - [69] Edited by: Goumindong on 13/10/2008 16:03:55 Edited by: Goumindong on 13/10/2008 16:03:26 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer So here we are awaiting the nano nerf. We think for ourselves, "Sure eve is good, but what is best in eve?". Many, with the upcoming nerf in mind, would say "A logistic, a RR-fleet BS, falcons at your wrists and solar winds in your hair". Wrong! That is not what eve is about; It's about crushing your enemies (and possibly your keyboard) with a series of F1-F8 face-rolls, if you ask me as an amarrian. Now CCP is slowly moving towards removing nanos and have put alot of thought into the next patch changes. The most vocal part of the opposition have been too proud of the technological terror, called nano warfare, they have created but failed to realise that their powers are insignificant next to the power of the ccp nerf bat. I find the lack of faith, in ccp's nerf bat, as of late, disturbing. There are many of us that want to remove the nano's from the pipes. I just the other day got... a hauler was sent by my corp at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday. I got it yesterday [Tuesday]. Why? Why? Because it got tangled up in a big ball with all these things going on the tubes. Eve space is not something you dump thousands of nanos on, it's a series of tubes. My point is that if you are not ready for the changes you will be better off flying a hauler full of rubber dog shit out of jita! The good Senator From Alaska yields the remainder of his time to the floor Fixed ;) Originally by: Lyria Skydancer too young Too young? It was like, last year
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.13 16:14:00 - [70] Originally by: Goumindong Too young? It was like, last year Yes that one was the only recent one though; Still though, are young people today intrested in politics? ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.13 16:29:00 - [71] Originally by: Goumindong ... Goum - good to see you! -Liang --
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.13 17:03:00 - [72] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Goumindong ... Goum - good to see you! -Liang Yes, forum needs moar goumindong. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
carleyjones Caldari Blood and Silver	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:08:00 - [73] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Really? It's funny how only one or two people actually understood that the original post was a joke. Worst. Joke. Ever.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:17:00 - [74] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer It's funny how only one or two people actually understood that the original post was a joke. Obviously many in this thread are too young to understand the refrences made in it. So congrats on your fail. Eh, most of us didn't care to talk about Mr Stevens the august noble peer from the Duchy of Alaska. -Liang --
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:30:00 - [75] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 13/10/2008 18:32:33 Mind cluing us in to the joke? I'm not young and I pay very close attention to politics (US). I've read your post several times, and tbh I don't ***in get it :/ Even after the Sen Ted Stevens hint... (Note, I ignore most speeches and pay attention to voting records and bills. Speeches are full of insidious lies and lures to cults of personality So if it was based on a speech, shrug*)
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:31:00 - [76] Originally by: carleyjones Worst. Joke. Ever. Why? Because you didn't get it? ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:32:00 - [77] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 13/10/2008 18:30:57 Mind cluing us in to the joke? I'm not young and I pay very close attention to politics (US). I've read your post several times, and tbh I don't ****in get it :/ Even after the Sen Ted Stevens hint... (Note, I ignore most speeches and pay attention to voting records and bills. Speeches are full of insidious lies and lures to cults of personality ) The Internet as a Series of Tubes [Wikipedia] -Liang --
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:33:00 - [78] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 13/10/2008 18:30:57 Mind cluing us in to the joke? I'm not young and I pay very close attention to politics (US). I've read your post several times, and tbh I don't ****in get it :/ Even after the Sen Ted Stevens hint... (Note, I ignore most speeches and pay attention to voting records and bills. Speeches are full of insidious lies and lures to cults of personality ) In order of appearance: Conan the Barbarian Star Wars IV Senator Ted Stevens Top Gun ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:36:00 - [79] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer In order of appearance: Conan the Barbarian Star Wars IV Senator Ted Stevens Top Gun I underlined the only one I didn't get ... mostly I think that's because I've steadfastly refused to ever watch Conan. -Liang --
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:36:00 - [80] Originally by: Liang Nuren The Internet as a Series of Tubes [Wikipedia] -Liang Oh, I see now. That speech. I had forgotten the speech and filed "Ted Stevens" under "doesn't know what the hell he is talking about". Don't even get my news from the Daily Show.

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