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Gallente Naval	Posted - 2008.10.11 11:08:00 - [1] Need some help on low-sec smartbombing. Where should i sit on the gate (above,below, etc). When should i hit the bombs, as there coming out of warp? Any information provided will be greatly apreiciated, anyone that actually does this and can give advice would be great. Thank you. GN
Tuttomenui II Gallente kungfuhammers	Posted - 2008.10.11 11:15:00 - [2] Ive never done this but I might be able to work out a good aproach. Think about what direction most the traffic is coming from and then warp to the gate from that direction, IE another gate. get at like 5,500m so that your not so close that your smarties are lockedbut you still overlap the area where they would be locked so you can hit stuff between you and the gate. the warp to 0 makes it so if they are quick though the gate will make them invulnerable as soon as they tell the ship to jump, So I really dont see it working all that good. but activate them as soon as you see the target. ^^Dude My signiture is an actual Signiture WOW!!^^
Starr Nightshade	Posted - 2008.10.11 11:21:00 - [3] Originally by: Tuttomenui II Ive never done this but I might be able to work out a good aproach. Think about what direction most the traffic is coming from and then warp to the gate from that direction, IE another gate. get at like 5,500m so that your not so close that your smarties are lockedbut you still overlap the area where they would be locked so you can hit stuff between you and the gate. the warp to 0 makes it so if they are quick though the gate will make them invulnerable as soon as they tell the ship to jump, So I really dont see it working all that good. but activate them as soon as you see the target. Bang on for positioning in my experience But if you activate as soon as you see the target you will probably be too late. You either perma run them, or you use your ship scanner to find incoming ships from your target gate. When you have a new ship on scan then you light up the smarties, but in sequence so you always have some damage going. As you get better at it then the timing may be something you can work on.
Taedrin Gallente Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.10.11 11:48:00 - [4] Don't forget that ships still take damage from smartbombs even if they are in warp. Your best chance to get them is while they are decelerating to the gate.
Gallente Naval	Posted - 2008.10.11 11:53:00 - [5] thank you for all the replies so far. Im still looking forward to a reply from someone that actually smartbombs low-sec gates. GN
Victoria Sin	Posted - 2008.10.11 12:01:00 - [6] Originally by: Gallente Naval thank you for all the replies so far. Im still looking forward to a reply from someone that actually smartbombs low-sec gates. GN Why do you want to smartbomb a low sec gate? Do you have visions of yourself collecting hundreds of thousands of killmails and lots of lovely loot? LOL
Starr Nightshade	Posted - 2008.10.11 12:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Gallente Naval thank you for all the replies so far. Im still looking forward to a reply from someone that actually smartbombs low-sec gates. GN You've had one...
Gallente Naval	Posted - 2008.10.11 12:06:00 - [8] Quote: Originally by: Gallente Navalthank you for all the replies so far. Im still looking forward to a reply from someone that actually smartbombs low-sec gates. GN You've had one.. hehe, sorry im still abit tired. Still looking for abit more information if at all possible
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.11 12:10:00 - [9] Convo Le Skunk ingame, he's pretty good at it
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.11 12:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Gallente Naval Need some help on low-sec smartbombing. Where should i sit on the gate (above,below, etc). When should i hit the bombs, as there coming out of warp? Any information provided will be greatly apreiciated, anyone that actually does this and can give advice would be great. Thank you. GN (a) Inline from gate A to gate B, 5000+1 metres from the gate. (b) Basically. Takes a bit of practice to activate them in the correct moment. I have a few corpmates who do it a lot, never tried it myself though. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Rawrior Gallente Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.10.11 12:35:00 - [11] Edited by: Rawrior on 11/10/2008 12:35:40 Owing to lack of Eve-related content, signature removed. If you would like to discuss this, please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.10.11 13:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Victoria Sin Originally by: Gallente Naval thank you for all the replies so far. Im still looking forward to a reply from someone that actually smartbombs low-sec gates. GN Why do you want to smartbomb a low sec gate? Do you have visions of yourself collecting hundreds of thousands of killmails and lots of lovely loot? LOL and corpses Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Shad0wsFury Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.10.11 13:48:00 - [13] If you don't want gate gun aggro for smartbombing the actual gate itself, you need to be more like 7000m away from the gate, in line with whatever celestial you're trying to catch people from. Distances shown in EVE aren't from the edge of an object to the edge of another (at least not all the time), so while the range on smartbombs is 5000m, you can very well hit stuff close to 6500m away, depending on what it is (gates, for example).
Gallente Naval	Posted - 2008.10.11 15:57:00 - [14] Quote: Why do you want to smartbomb a low sec gate? Do you have visions of yourself collecting hundreds of thousands of killmails and lots of lovely loot? LOL I would expect a few killmails from it yes, loot yes. Who are you? nobody. GN
Furb Killer Gallente Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.10.11 16:06:00 - [15] It isnt exactly rocket science... Get to the gate you want to smartbomb, move in direction where most travels comes from, activate smartbombs when you see someone coming. If you cant activate smartbombs, you are too close to gate, if you activate them too early, you should activate them later.
ponieus the united	Posted - 2008.10.11 16:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Rawrior Edited by: Rawrior on 11/10/2008 12:35:40 smart man.. I will explain this again. There is no such event as smartbombing on gates... just doesnt happen
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.10.11 17:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Gallente Naval I would expect a few killmails from it yes, loot yes. Who are you? nobody. pot to kettle: you're unimportant. --
Chr0nosX Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.10.11 17:56:00 - [18] Sit just over 5000m from the gate in line with the other gate they are coming from. Using a macro to activate all smartbombs at once is very helpful.
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.10.11 20:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Taedrin Don't forget that ships still take damage from smartbombs even if they are in warp. Your best chance to get them is while they are decelerating to the gate. so why then isnt this an exploit? your killing a player when they have no control over their ship and often as not you can pod them b4 their client has even realise the ship is dead so serious question... how is this not an exploit? and yes i have had it done to me and i dont like it smells of cheat to me to be perfectly frank
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2008.10.11 20:11:00 - [20] No such thing as smartbombing anymore. Warping to the gate at zero is perfectly safe.
Gallente Naval	Posted - 2008.10.11 20:59:00 - [21] Quote: Originally by: Gallente NavalI would expect a few killmails from it yes, loot yes. Who are you? nobody. pot to kettle: you're unimportant. why waste your time replying with such pointless remarks like that. This post was made so i could get some advice on smartbombing low sec gates, not forum monkeys reply with crap like that. Basically F**K Off to another post with your tripe. GN
Airdorn Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:09:00 - [22] One of the 1st repliers had it right, and I've done it a lot. It's so funny watching a pod decelerating out of warp, and then just .... disappear... :) Fit faction smartbombs for greater range and damage if possible. Put as many as you can on a BS and sit as close to 5km from the gate as you can in the direction of the most heavily traveled gates, station, or whatever. A mega, apoc, etc. do quite well and if you time it right you can pop everything up to some t1 cruisers including most of the industrials.
Tatsu Tahime	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:11:00 - [23] Someone's got some confidence issues. Seriously, if you're going to smartbomb gates, grow a thicker skin because you'll get a lot worse than that from all the passers-by. And if you use language like that in-game one time too often, obfuscated or no, it's a temporary vacation from EVE for you.
Airdorn Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.11 21:25:00 - [24] Originally by: CharlieMurphy Originally by: Taedrin Don't forget that ships still take damage from smartbombs even if they are in warp. Your best chance to get them is while they are decelerating to the gate. so why then isnt this an exploit? your killing a player when they have no control over their ship and often as not you can pod them b4 their client has even realise the ship is dead so serious question... how is this not an exploit? and yes i have had it done to me and i dont like it smells of cheat to me to be perfectly frank No one made them warp to the gate in low-sec.
Tuttomenui II Gallente kungfuhammers	Posted - 2008.10.11 23:27:00 - [25] To add to my previous info, you can get some freinds to help you by using remote reps and cap transfers on you, that way you can run the smarties continiously if you have that many freinds and tank the gate. Fit 3x Trimarks and fill your lows with armor plates. Make it take longer to chew through your armour. that or fit 3x CCC, all cap charger II in med and the cap charger flux things in your lows. ^^Dude My signiture is an actual Signiture WOW!!^^
Katesha Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.10.12 01:12:00 - [26] Most of whats needed to be said has been said, but as you're starting off the tactical overlay helps a load with timing of incoming victims.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.10.12 03:32:00 - [27] Originally by: Gallente Naval why waste your time replying with such pointless remarks like that. This post was made so i could get some advice on smartbombing low sec gates, not forum monkeys reply with crap like that. Basically F**K Off to another post with your tripe. kettle to pot: "you're awful rude" --
Eternum Praetorian Tupperware Party	Posted - 2008.10.12 04:53:00 - [28] Now I have not done this...nor am I pot-kettle name calling But I have sat my ship in front of a friends smart bombs and let him set off what looked like a nuke right in my face. Very little damage taken.... So I turned off my resists.... same thing.... Now granted his SP in SB probably were not great. But I cant see this working very well. There is a reason why CCP put interdiction spheres in the game. Players say "oh ** I bubble on a gate!" Not "holy ** I smart bomb fleet!"
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.10.12 05:50:00 - [29] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Now I have not done this...nor am I pot-kettle name calling But I have sat my ship in front of a friends smart bombs and let him set off what looked like a nuke right in my face. Very little damage taken.... So I turned off my resists.... same thing.... Now granted his SP in SB probably were not great. But I cant see this working very well. There is a reason why CCP put interdiction spheres in the game. Players say "oh ** I bubble on a gate!" Not "holy ** I smart bomb fleet!" 1)SP in smartbombs relate to ROF not damage 2)Ive got over 1800 kill in a smartbomber. 3)They are talking about low sec not 0.0 hence no interdiction spheres 4)They are also talking about killing frigates and below. To the guy earlier who said you can kill t1 cruisers.. you cant (baring prior damage) SKUNK
SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2008.10.12 07:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Now I have not done this...nor am I pot-kettle name calling But I have sat my ship in front of a friends smart bombs and let him set off what looked like a nuke right in my face. Very little damage taken.... So I turned off my resists.... same thing.... Now granted his SP in SB probably were not great. But I cant see this working very well. There is a reason why CCP put interdiction spheres in the game. Players say "oh ** I bubble on a gate!" Not "holy ** I smart bomb fleet!" 1)SP in smartbombs relate to ROF not damage 2)Ive got over 1800 kill in a smartbomber. 3)They are talking about low sec not 0.0 hence no interdiction spheres 4)They are also talking about killing frigates and below. To the guy earlier who said you can kill t1 cruisers.. you cant (baring prior damage) SKUNK Ask and ye shall recieve.James here killed a few cruisers along the way when he did it. 1. fit four em smartbombs. 2. fit four expolsive smartbombs. 3. anchor small catch bubble far from gate in random 0.0 spot. 4. ????? 5. Make billions. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.10.12 10:17:00 - [31] There is another option, if you have some friends and you're feeling a bit more ambitious. Choose a single damage type, fit several battleships with smartbombs only of that type, and tank all of them specifically against that type. EM is probably best. Then set up within range of each other and have fun 1-volleying much larger ships than usual. --- DIY copying in Liekuri 20:1 mineral compression Eve Online folding@home team
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.10.12 11:43:00 - [32] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro There is another option, if you have some friends and you're feeling a bit more ambitious. Choose a single damage type, fit several battleships with smartbombs only of that type, and tank all of them specifically against that type. EM is probably best. Then set up within range of each other and have fun 1-volleying much larger ships than usual. Bombersquads like this won't work in lowsec because you need to be able to tank the sentries too. That means you need an omni tank (sentries do around 350 DPS at 18.18% EM, 18.18% Explosive, 31.82% Kinetic and 31.82% Thermal). Pillowsoft - Join the Pillowsoft Gallente Militia, get free ships and support.
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.12 14:19:00 - [33] Smartbombing is still feasible niche tactic, for targetting t1 frigates, unhardened ceptors and some lower tier haulers. You won't get 100% success rate (mostly due server latency), and many ships will pass wondering why they were hit with couple smarties. A few tips; mostly based on long-ago 0.0 experience and some lowsec trials * SETUP If can, get a scout of any kind, to watch the system behind the gate you sitting. Noob in cloaked hauler 2km from the gate is nice. Almost any BS with 8 highs will do the job; highs with named or faction smarties. One or two cap boosters, rest for surviability (nanoes or stabs), don't worry about tanking that much (plate or two if you really need). Fitting cloak is tough choice; losing the 8th smarty often adds the last crucial damage. Fitting one gives you ability to peacefully wait for targets even when you're flagged. * PICKING SYSTEM Ideal system has lot of traffic, only two major gates, no stations, no afkers (so you can semi-afk till target in local) and long enough distance to the other gate (allowing you to react when you see them in scanner). * GETTING ON SPOT Pick direction you want to camp (usually people heading towards empire from lowsec/0.0 area), lets call the gates as FROM and TO based on direction targets fly. Put your scoot behind TO gate, warp to FROM gate, and then back to TO gate at 15km. While in warp, make SS or more close to the TO gate. Approach the gate to distance comfortable to you (7.5km - 15km all work), and BM the spot. If you got cloak, sit at the spot till see potential target. If have no cloak, sit on SS close to the gate, aligned at full speed, ready to warp to the smarty BM you made. * BLOWING THEM UP Check that you are aligned correctly (zoom out and roll the view to see you're between the two gates), activate tactical overview, zoom right above you (or rather that view is at 90 degree angle with warp line). Use scanner to get warning when you need to be ready for the victim. When the target is about to pass into radius of smarties, fire them all as fast as you can (some keybinding things doing that with single press should be legal). If you score, have the alt to scoop loot, and go wait back to the SS, or get back at the gate cloaked. * AVOIDING LOWSEC smartbombers - Use an interceptor with medium shield extender for hauling good stuff - If more than one potential bomber in local, warp via a planet * RANDOM NOTES - Jump hauling and hp boosts was huge hit for the profits of this profession - Faction smarties are tasty and addictive - 0.0 with bubble/dictor alt is rather nice still - With the scout, can camp both directions -Lasse retired P.S. Those familiar with Perl could try to play with script for calculating what kind of ships given combination of smartbombs will be able to kill: ship_bombs.tar (customer support not included; database last updated after the major hp buff).
Neyro7830 Gallente Stormfront A.W. Stormfront J.U.N.T.A.	Posted - 2008.10.12 14:23:00 - [34] hay gaiz, how can I keel lots a ppl and be reeeeeeelly lame @ teh same tiem? >_>
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.12 15:01:00 - [35] Originally by: Neyro7830 hay gaiz, how can I keel lots a ppl and be reeeeeeelly lame @ teh same tiem? (1) Wait till you're in fleet (2) contact enemy FC (3) drop gang, leet enemy FC gang you, enemy warp to your old fleet, rejoin first gang, open fire on yr ex-alliance mates who won't even see you on their overview. Thats the lamest way of killing people I can think of
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.10.12 15:12:00 - [36] Edited by: Le Skunk on 12/10/2008 15:13:52 Originally by: SSgt Sniper Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Now I have not done this...nor am I pot-kettle name calling But I have sat my ship in front of a friends smart bombs and let him set off what looked like a nuke right in my face. Very little damage taken.... So I turned off my resists.... same thing.... Now granted his SP in SB probably were not great. But I cant see this working very well. There is a reason why CCP put interdiction spheres in the game. Players say "oh ** I bubble on a gate!" Not "holy I smart bomb fleet!" 1)SP in smartbombs relate to ROF not damage 2)Ive got over 1800 kill in a smartbomber. 3)They are talking about low sec not 0.0 hence no interdiction spheres 4)They are also talking about killing frigates and below. To the guy earlier who said you can kill t1 cruisers.. you cant (baring prior damage) SKUNK Ask and ye shall recieve.James here killed a few cruisers along the way when he did it. 1. fit four em smartbombs. 2. fit four expolsive smartbombs. 3. anchor small catch bubble far from gate in random 0.0 spot. 4. ????? 5. Make billions. 3)They are talking about low sec not 0.0 hence no interdiction spheres 3)They are talking about low sec not 0.0 hence no interdiction spheres 3)They are talking about low sec not 0.0 hence no interdiction spheres 3)They are talking about low sec not 0.0 hence no interdiction spheres 3)They are talking about low sec not 0.0 hence no interdiction spheres Originally by:** Nyphur Bombersquads like this won't work in lowsec because you need to be able to tank the sentries too. That means you need an omni tank (sentries do around 350 DPS at 18.18% EM, 18.18% Explosive, 31.82% Kinetic and 31.82% Thermal). Yes they do though difficult to co-ordinate SKUNK
Neyro7830 Gallente Stormfront A.W. Stormfront J.U.N.T.A.	Posted - 2008.10.12 15:27:00 - [37] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Neyro7830 hay gaiz, how can I keel lots a ppl and be reeeeeeelly lame @ teh same tiem? (1) Wait till you're in fleet (2) contact enemy FC (3) drop gang, leet enemy FC gang you, enemy warp to your old fleet, rejoin first gang, open fire on yr ex-alliance mates who won't even see you on their overview. Thats the lamest way of killing people I can think of (4) Profit! >_>
SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2008.10.12 17:25:00 - [38] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 12/10/2008 15:13:52 Originally by: SSgt Sniper Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Now I have not done this...nor am I pot-kettle name calling But I have sat my ship in front of a friends smart bombs and let him set off what looked like a nuke right in my face. Very little damage taken.... So I turned off my resists.... same thing.... Now granted his SP in SB probably were not great. But I cant see this working very well. There is a reason why CCP put interdiction spheres in the game. Players say "oh ** I bubble on a gate!" Not "holy I smart bomb fleet!" 1)SP in smartbombs relate to ROF not damage 2)Ive got over 1800 kill in a smartbomber. 3)They are talking about low sec not 0.0 hence no interdiction spheres 4)They are also talking about killing frigates and below. To the guy earlier who said you can kill t1 cruisers.. you cant (baring prior damage) SKUNK Ask and ye shall recieve.James here killed a few cruisers along the way when he did it. 1. fit four em smartbombs. 2. fit four expolsive smartbombs. 3. anchor small catch bubble far from gate in random 0.0 spot. 4. ????? 5. Make billions. 3)They are talking about low sec not 0.0 hence no interdiction spheres 3)They are talking about low sec not 0.0 hence no interdiction spheres 3)They are talking about low sec not 0.0 hence no interdiction spheres 3)They are talking about low sec not 0.0 hence no interdiction spheres 3)They are talking about low sec not 0.0 hence no interdiction spheres Originally by:** Nyphur Bombersquads like this won't work in lowsec because you need to be able to tank the sentries too. That means you need an omni tank (sentries do around 350 DPS at 18.18% EM, 18.18% Explosive, 31.82% Kinetic and 31.82% Thermal). Yes they do though difficult to co-ordinate SKUNK My point was he killed cruisers. My point was he killed cruisers. My point was he killed cruisers. And no he couldn't web them down he had like four stabs on. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.10.12 21:48:00 - [39] Originally by: SSgt Sniper My point was he killed cruisers. My point was he killed cruisers. My point was he killed cruisers. The OP wanted to know how to smartbomb in low sec.. hence the title of this thread which is Low Sec Smart bombing Hence you cannot deploy bubbles, hence you cannot kill cruisers as mentioned by a prior poster. In the particular post i was referring to, the poster claimed you could kill t1 cruisers using the hang off a gate method which I stated you cannot, unless the ship has prior damage. I was correct. Pre HP buff you would have just been able to do it I believe Its worth noting you can kill many dictor setups with a one shot. SKUNK
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.10.12 21:59:00 - [40] 1. get 10 motherships 2. laugh at hictors 3. smartbombs all over the gate right approach the gate and ur utter size will place you in fine of a spot. 4. ??? 5. Profit. ------------------------ "There was this bright flash of light - and now this egg shaped thing is on my screen - did I level up?"
SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2008.10.13 12:23:00 - [41] Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 13/10/2008 12:22:51 Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: SSgt Sniper My point was he killed cruisers. My point was he killed cruisers. My point was he killed cruisers. The OP wanted to know how to smartbomb in low sec.. hence the title of this thread which is Low Sec Smart bombing Hence you cannot deploy bubbles, hence you cannot kill cruisers as mentioned by a prior poster. In the particular post i was referring to, the poster claimed you could kill t1 cruisers using the hang off a gate method which I stated you cannot, unless the ship has prior damage. I was correct. Pre HP buff you would have just been able to do it I believe Its worth noting you can kill many dictor setups with a one shot. SKUNK I shall endeavor to test on singularity to confirm. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
Dasalt Istgut	Posted - 2008.10.13 15:23:00 - [42] Originally by: Gallente Naval Who are you? nobody. GN Ask your mum if you can borrow a tampon. You're nobody either.

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