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Cyrus Doul	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:09:00 - [601] I'm ****ed. When I go home for the four summer months of the college year I'm on dial up. Yeah yeah I know, but the parents don't want to pay 70-100 dollars for cellphone/satellite plans and the cable company, Comcast, is corrupt and charges 5000 USD per phone pole to run a cable for you. My family owns 5 phone poles. So Comcast would cost an eighth of the house to get installed. I was going to start suspend training him towards a jump freighter since that's basically the pinnacle of a hauler alt anyways. Guess thats not happening though. I wonder if this is more about ccp worried about the banks, UK did use anti terrorism laws to freeze Icelandic bank funds by not allowing the icelandic government to shut down its bank's UK brancesto protect investors as Iceland slid even further into bankruptcy over last week. Iceland's bad economy = ccp trying to make more money off us by screwing us over just like the 60 day gtc at the 90 day price. The bottom line of the article basically explains why (link goes to bbc.co.uk)
Yeknom Nam	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:10:00 - [602] I really do feel like I have been taken advantage of. I spent a few days trying to decide whether any game was worth paying for two accounts. Ghost training was the selling point for my second account, and less than a week after I buy my second account using the "Power of Two," this comes to light. So I do feel like there was some "bait and switch" here. And I am really missing that $50. Wonder what the credit card company would say. What makes the second account so damn appealing is the fact that you guys only let us train one character per account at a time... BTW I saved some screenies of http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp for posterity. So my main account that is currently inactive and has 15 days left on a skill, is he gonna stop training at his current point on Wed, or is he gonna be reset to where he should be when the account went inactive? Kind of a familiar situation here. Charge for something that used to be free with very little overhead to begin with. True Price of SMS
GypAtheNooB	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:10:00 - [603] OMG what a huge crock of sht This is a feature that ppl MAY use when training fking rediculously long skills. It happens once in a blue moon (i have done it) mostly i notice its used by servicemen who cant play a game like this in afghanistan or iraq, who make use of it to finally train battleship V. Why the fck would u change this?? Are u determined to chase every serious player from the game?? Hell why not close this thread now and tell us We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you and wish you a speedy recovery. How about u learn something about customer service and looking after ur costomers b4 u lose them all. actually heres a better one we cannot make any reimbursement when we unable to verify that it was due to a game defect or server problem. That does not mean we are in any doubt of your description. On the contrary, we completely trust you. But we all GMs have to stick closely to the reimbursement policies. We appreciate your understanding and wish you a quick recovery. Yah thats a better one close the thread with that. *YES IM FULLY OVER UR BULLSHT**
Talitana GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:13:00 - [604] Quote: We truly hope that the community will understand our actions and continue to enjoy playing EVE as much as we enjoy making it. Kiss my ass
0blivion	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:14:00 - [605] blatant lies and removing what made players return to the game epic.
gata salvaje	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:15:00 - [606] Originally by: Paul Barker Well how about implemnting multi trains on 1 account then Since you say only active accounts can be trained, why not allow all character holes on that account to train at the same time. Just think of the revenue boost from all them character transfers also this tbfh.
Ishbuanium	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:15:00 - [607] Originally by: Trupplupagus Originally by: Ishbuanium Dear CCP Stop Lying to us. Love, Your Playerbase Dear playerbase, Foolish players, stop your rabblerousing. Clearly you just want to make trouble, there's no real issue here. Screw you, CCP Sorry, you got to be more believable. Sugarcoat it a bit and circle around the issue without answering the blaringly obvious accusation.
Yggdrassill Yeltsin The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:16:00 - [608] Dear players, This was, in fact, a bug. Over the course of the last 5 years we presented it as a feature because we wanted to give you some use of it and didn't want to mess with getting rid of it- we apologize for any confusion or inconvenience. In light of current difficult economic circumstances, we've decided to close that loophole. Unfortunately, that means that some of you will not be able to use the 'ghost training' feature that you've become accustomed to. This change was unavoidable, and in order to present you with a better gameplay experience we made the hard choice to go through with it. This change will be put into effect in 30 days time, and we will entertain ideas for changes to other skill training messages through the CSM mechanism- please speak with your CSM representatives and we will be sure to give time and thought to your suggestions. We apologize sincerely for this. If you have any questions or concerns, we would like very much to hear them. Look dude this isn't even my job I just busted that out You guys are dumb as toast
Yggdrassill Yeltsin The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:16:00 - [609] Dear players, This was, in fact, a bug. Over the course of the last 5 years we presented it as a feature because we wanted to give you some use of it and didn't want to mess with getting rid of it- we apologize for any confusion or inconvenience. In light of current difficult economic circumstances, we've decided to close that loophole. Unfortunately, that means that some of you will not be able to use the 'ghost training' feature that you've become accustomed to. This change was unavoidable, and in order to present you with a better gameplay experience we made the hard choice to go through with it. This change will be put into effect in 30 days time, and we will entertain ideas for changes to other skill training messages through the CSM mechanism- please speak with your CSM representatives and we will be sure to give time and thought to your suggestions. We apologize sincerely for this. If you have any questions or concerns, we would like very much to hear them. Look dude this isn't even my job I just busted that out You guys are dumb as toast
Ishbuanium	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:18:00 - [610] Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin Dear players, This was, in fact, a bug. Over the course of the last 5 years we presented it as a feature because we wanted to give you some use of it and didn't want to mess with getting rid of it- we apologize for any confusion or inconvenience. In light of current difficult economic circumstances, we've decided to close that loophole. Unfortunately, that means that some of you will not be able to use the 'ghost training' feature that you've become accustomed to. This change was unavoidable, and in order to present you with a better gameplay experience we made the hard choice to go through with it. This change will be put into effect in 30 days time, and we will entertain ideas for changes to other skill training messages through the CSM mechanism- please speak with your CSM representatives and we will be sure to give time and thought to your suggestions. We apologize sincerely for this. If you have any questions or concerns, we would like very much to hear them. Look dude this isn't even my job I just busted that out You guys are dumb as toast CCP Hire this man, as it appears you desperately need his extremely non unique talents (no offense )
Nas Nalgas	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:19:00 - [611] you can see where a game is going when the players are more interested in a cough BUG cough then in new content Solution: fire the devs working on ambulation, realocate the resources to ghost training more money to ccp, players happy
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:19:00 - [612] Originally by: Cosy Ceaon Edited by: Cosy Ceaon on 14/10/2008 02:02:22 Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Step 1) Buy GTC Step 2) Send remaining stuff to me Step 3) I get delicious cake, and also a racecar i dont have 500m for a gtc can u send me 500m ISK ? If you don't even have 500m, why are you wasting my time? JEEZ __________ Cannot read from face Abort, Retry, Fail?
Borg Zorg	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:19:00 - [613] So CCp what will be the next BUG we will have to pay? Maybe u soudnuly descover that having more than one char is a bug that we do use to make advantage over a players that have only one.Oh i forgot u did promote having 2 acounts.But wait u did promote Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive.And u sudnuly say it is a bug So nobody is safe any more.Which part of game will become a bug tomorow and we will have to pay for it??????
Letrange Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:20:00 - [614] To all those who are canceling their accounts: canz I havez your stuffz???
Scrapple Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:20:00 - [615] Edited by: Scrapple on 14/10/2008 02:20:40 Originally by: Carsidava Nope, sorry. This doesn't wash. If you disable skill training for inactive accounts, why aren't you also disabling market orders from inactive accounts? Why aren't you also disabling RP accumulation from inactive accounts? Why aren't you disabling dividend payouts to inactive accounts? Why are only skill points being hit? Sorry CCP, this is an entirely unsatisfactory answer. I hate to agree with a Goon, but this ^^ right here. This is probably the thing that struck me most about eve when I first tried it. Truly sad ccp, truly sad. Your excuse for making this change doesn't make sense, please try and come up with another.
pAnTeRams	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:20:00 - [616] I suggest you loose more money doing that, hungreeds of people do not even more wan't to reactivate they expired accounts...aand not only one char farmers/sellers... How this affect the game ballance if already work for five years? I return and play for now just yet this option help me understand, that EVE & Dev's are trying to make the game better, that is game more shapefull than other mmo's, given users to feel comfortable &nd free like no other gamers playing mmo's... For now i can't answer yourself "why i come back?"...perhaps it's time to rethink my decisions? And why it's still annoying even i have already pay out for 3 acc's for few month?
Trupplupagus Settling Tank	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:21:00 - [617] Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin Dear players, This was, in fact, a bug. Over the course of the last 5 years we presented it as a feature because we wanted to give you some use of it and didn't want to mess with getting rid of it- we apologize for any confusion or inconvenience. In light of current difficult economic circumstances, we've decided to close that loophole. Unfortunately, that means that some of you will not be able to use the 'ghost training' feature that you've become accustomed to. This change was unavoidable, and in order to present you with a better gameplay experience we made the hard choice to go through with it. This change will be put into effect in 30 days time, and we will entertain ideas for changes to other skill training messages through the CSM mechanism- please speak with your CSM representatives and we will be sure to give time and thought to your suggestions. We apologize sincerely for this. If you have any questions or concerns, we would like very much to hear them. Look dude this isn't even my job I just busted that out You guys are dumb as toast dear wrangler, your sweet words, straightforward presentation, and honest apologies have won me over. thank you for letting us know what is going on- I'm not happy, but at least I don't feel like you're making random shit up just to make me shut up. have a nice night!
W4yLoUd KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:21:00 - [618] Edited by: W4yLoUd on 14/10/2008 02:23:08 Originally by: Borg Zorg So CCp what will be the next BUG we will have to pay? Maybe u soudnuly descover that having more than one char is a bug that we do use to make advantage over a players that have only one.Oh i forgot u did promote having 2 acounts.But wait u did promote Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive.And u sudnuly say it is a bug So nobody is safe any more.Which part of game will become a bug tomorow and we will have to pay for it?????? Undocking message will be replaced by "Please enter your credit card number" maybe?
Zenst Gallente Omniscient Order Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:21:00 - [619] Originally by: Carsidava Nope, sorry. This doesn't wash. If you disable skill training for inactive accounts, why aren't you also disabling market orders from inactive accounts? Why aren't you also disabling RP accumulation from inactive accounts? Why aren't you disabling dividend payouts to inactive accounts? Why are only skill points being hit? Sorry CCP, this is an entirely unsatisfactory answer. Exactly, with regards to balance these points are more salient than the skill training argument.
Aeronith Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:21:00 - [620] Originally by: CCP Mitnal Finally, please don't promote anything that could have consequences on the servers and remember to post with respect towards fellow players. Well to be honest, you and your staff have already done this - whatever your ultimate reasons are for removing the ghost training, it's a change I ultimately don't care that much for, but it's not a deal breaker. The fact that your staff decided that treating your player base like idiots and passing this off as some manner of unfair bug when up until yesterday it was an advertised feature of the game is what should have people irked, and rightfully so. However, having seen a great number of posts in both threads of people supporting or raging against the changes without actually expressing ire at what should really have them up in arms, I'm not really sure I can hold it against you all.
UrbanCapt Gallente Havoc Violence and Chaos The Church.	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:22:00 - [621] This crap ****es me off. Outright lies!
D4RT N3RDiUS	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:23:00 - [622] www.ena.is someone send me this page lol !!! ...
Thorrak McFluffypants	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:24:00 - [623] Accounts cancelled.
Trupplupagus Settling Tank	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:25:00 - [624] Originally by: D4RT N3RDiUS www.ena.is someone send me this page lol !!! ... what?
fecked	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:25:00 - [625] Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans Now I'm not saying that if me personally would be at the other end of this Dev Blog I wouldn't be annoyed by CCP's actions. We are gamers. We game the system. We figure out how to maximize our returns. There's no surprise that people have done this for the simple fact that it wasn't banned per se and also for the fact that it was possible. But recently we have seen a surge in this behavior in a way that we were essentially supporting and maintaining a large number of customers that weren't paying us regular subscriptions. That's not fair towards CCP as a service provider and it's not fair towards other players that pay a subscription but don't make use of this bug. Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database. 1. There was a way to progress a character in EVE without an active subscription 2. CCP noticed a surge in the trend and decided to fix the leak 3. Players now have to pay a subscription for characters to have them progress So CCP are noticing that real life global financial issues and unpopular measures CCP has recently imposed have caused an "avalanche" of unsubscribers. Now theres a long list of improvements people would like to see ingame that would keep people subscribed - check your forums you will see them. Attempting to force those account holders into staying active by suddenly contradicting your own player guide is not an incentive to stay subscribed. You are suddenly making out that people are exploiting bugs when they are following CCP's own published guide. Originally by: Player Guide - Skills Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). Having read very many pages on the subject tonight its very noticeable that the vast majority of those doing this have multiple accounts. Now its great that there are those say "I pay so should you!" but get realistic your 1 accounts fine but those with multiple accounts are CCP's bread and butter. They are mostly long term players who will have played for several years and already have paid CCP alot more $ for the privilege than the single account holder has. Now what really is short sighted is that ghost training only has a benefit if the account is reactivated giving CCP further revenue. CCP have already gotten a fee for account creation, for game time playing the character and received further fee's for account reactivation and character transfer if its sold. This is a massive gamble that those training ghosts will pay to keep them active and training - it strikes me that those who want to do this already are. The final insult is the contradiction and lies in CCP t0rfifrans blog. Quote: we were essentially supporting and maintaining a large number of customers that weren't paying us regular subscriptions. That's not fair towards CCP as a service provider and it's not fair towards other players that pay a subscription but don't make use of this bug. If its not fair why have you been actively promoting it as good practice to new players for the last 5 years? Maybe in his next blog he could consider discussing how many other exploits the player guide promotes the use of and when they will be dealt with?
The Ubernomicon Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:26:00 - [626] CCP, Over the last two years you have consistently made changes to the game that make combat, specifically combat in 0.0, unentertaining and every other aspect of the game mundane. I am unsubscribing my remaining accounts. A little birdie told me that you are thinking about randomizing moon mineral distribution every few months and T3 is going to be T2 with more overloading HP and slightly lower overloading bonuses. With the lack of innovation, TC changes and now the training change this game is no longer tolerable; This game has not been appealing for over a year. And to top off the whole mess you decided that lying to your players is acceptable. CCP, fix problems in your game and give your staff some PR training before introducing changes that encourage disillusioned players to quit.
Jikiya	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:26:00 - [627] Funny. My account expires on Wednesday. Well, it was fun while it lasted.
Sergio Ling Veto.	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:27:00 - [628] I don't understand how disabling ghost training is a financially beneficial situation for CCP. People have certain accounts that only resub for a short amount of time to skill up, then leave a long skill training in the downtime. Removing ghost training means some will keep these characters subbed constantly, but what it'll mainly do is make people stop subbing entirely because they don't play the char. _ BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL
INF Wonderwoman	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:28:00 - [629] I hate to say it, but did anyone at CCP every consider that this surge of "Ghost Training" accounts might just be people quitting eve.... I mean if I was to quit I would put a nice long skill on for the hell of it.
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